Overpowered Attacks in Fighting Games (With Justin Wong)

[@jwonggg]

Had so much fun with this! Thanks for the invite

[@hangukhitman]

Storm can cancel the normal with her float. If you don't float, the HP recovery is normal.

[@horacionivar2869]

yo idk if u watched Young Justice but u reminded me of Forager at the end of the video🤣

[@BDDterror]

Honorable mention to sfa2 akuma

[@BDDterror]

@@hangukhitman facts

[@missquake]

Who are you?

[@MundaneAxiom]

I love how half of Justin's moves boil down to "this is why moves should have recovery frames"

[@elijahoneill5228]

And startup a lot of instant moves as well

[@Staticsheep28]

Or non active frames in general.

[@SP_Sour]

LK: "Good old Arc System Works, nothing beats that" JW: "Good old 90s Capcom, nothing beats that"

[@glacierwolf2155]

Great minds think alike.

[@Alejandro-er7rp]

the best part is that they are both right

[@Cashmoneez]

LK be like: “this move was op, ran the meta, and was constantly nerfed” And Justin just says “ok.” and proceeds to show some demonic shit from an old game

[@pyromaniacforhire]

Justin pulled out the dusty Necronomicon.

[@aspoonofgarlic6676]

Justin Wong is the pope and just mentions everything that's fucking evil about these moves

[@Matutemorales123]

Hahahahhahahhahagagagagagagagagahhahahahahahhahaha fucking epic comment

[@bunnybreaker]

​@@pyromaniacforhirePlaying on the Necronomiconsole

[@Midekai]

​@@bunnybreakerunderrated reply lol

[@THeKallOfCtulu]

Learning there's a *more* busted version of storm in a Versus game is blowing my mind

[@tearitup5864]

And here I thought marvel 2 was the crème de la crème….

[@fabioandrade8476]

Justin didn't mention that when Yun is in Genei all his moves have super priority. So you can't even trade with him, even his lights will beat any other normal.

[@LadyMorrigan]

💀

[@michaelwhitmire9015]

Yun also has a infinite in third strike due to genei.

[@sargassosea3432]

I believe that was the point Justin was trying to make when he mentioned that Genei Jin changed all of Yun's frame data and notably his crouching light kick became 2 frames during Genei Jin. Justin mentioned that the fastest button in the game is 2 frames. In other words Yun's buttons come out faster than almost every button from the rest of the cast and can only be matched not beaten in frame data. Basically all his moves have super priority, as you said. 22:52

[@fabioandrade8476]

@@sargassosea3432 Yes, the frame data changes, but 3rd strike does have an actual priority system. If two moves would hit on the same frame the higher strength one will beat the lower one, but since all Yun's normals are now counted as "super" it beats all other regular normals.

[@MusicoftheDamned]

​@@fabioandrade8476Ugh. Learning this male m now feel even more justified loathing fighting Yun even if Chun-li is arguably better overall. Genei-Jin is *so* dumb, and yet it wouldn't be nearly as bad if he couldn't effortlessly get like half of his meter back after hitting you with it after it ends.

[@NeoBoneGirl]

The main thing that pushes Elphelt Shotgun to be annoying is that it does mad chip for no reason. It's basically proto guard crush, and she's already got a command grab to make you scared of blocking. It would at least encourage Elphelt players to go to the grab that leaves a gap instead of just chipping you out and forcing a response

[@BxnnyBride]

Elphelt my beloved

[@rowleyryan9025]

Can’t wait to see what they do with her when she inevitably gets into strive

[@MusicoftheDamned]

​@@rowleyryan9025I'll laugh if she never makes it into _Strive_ like how neither Robo-Ky nor Zappa got into _Xrd_ despite being in story mode: "Elphelt died on the way back to her home planet."

[@speenta4879]

@@MusicoftheDamned well well well

[@MusicoftheDamned]

@@speenta4879 Funnily enough, I got the best outcome it seems: a death metal Elphelt who is essentially Noel Vermillion & basically a completely different character anyway *and* getting a bunch of funny reactions to her release.

[@deadfr0g]

Yessss, these collabs have been so good!! I’m really looking forward to the next entry, “Unprovoked Attacks in Fighting Games (With Jiyuna)”

[@BBGunRenegade]

One thing about Genei Jin that I don't think got mentioned. 3rd Strike has a priority system for how trades are determined so heavy normals almost beat medium and medium always beat light etc. Supers have the highest priority and Genei Jin makes it so that everyone of Yun's normals has super priority so you can't challenge him during it

[@emperormegaman3856]

Damn, I heard that this thing was broken, I 've see it is broken when playing 3rd strike... I didn't realize it was THAT broken

[@TalesNT]

Back on GGX Dust Attack was performed by pressing S+HS and they all had the same Dust that appears when you Super Jump. So when XX was made and they created its own button they used the same name.

[@_Jay_Maker_]

Yep, I always assumed it was this. It's called "Dust" because it's an auto-launcher that literally kicked up dust when it animated.

[@SoFishtry]

That storm super jump is the funniest shit I've seen in one of these I think. So goofy

[@jnet124]

This series is extremely dope. though I don't know if this is up your alley or if you can find anyone who can help you out, i'd love to see some more "poverty" or "Kusoge" broken moves, Stuff like E's Laf where characters like Alcott have Super busted normals, or the best non-metered DP in any game ive played. Seeing justins inputs on moves everyone knows is broken like genijin and learning how and why was super duper interesting! keep up the good stuff.

[@ThePrototype047]

For elphelt you forget to mention that the shotgun shot counts as a projectile but you can't blitz it. That max range should have been the metric for blitzing all projectile distances but you can't.

[@Iguessimhere154]

It's great to get old school players like Jwong on board for this series cause that's where you get the jank and cheapest things that is lost in history

[@cirro51]

I wish these games had a function in which you could play whichever patch version you wanted. Kind of like USF4. Granted if you wanted to play against someone they would have to either select the same version or allow select all version to play against. I think that'd be interesting for nonranked online or local player versus and training modes. It's a shame we can't go back and see some of these jank moves in their original glory or inglorious however you want to look at it.

[@bruceleeds7988]

16:00 If it is not clear to people, Justin is taking about Storm from X-Men Vs Street Fighter

[@andrewpurdy6743]

Throwing a guess out there. The slow fall mechanic is acting as an animation cancel that happens immediately after the first frame of the fierce. Magneto doesn’t have slow fall so it doesn’t trigger as an animation cancel.

[@IamSafehead]

I love how LK is really trying to vary the content and have dope collabs

[@Jaesnek]

When I saw Shadow Labrys my brain went to thinking about her unlockable bite setups from 1.0 P4U2, but Titanomachy is also broken as shit and 1.1 was even more ridiculous.

[@spac3-cad3t]

6:37 "I don't know why they called it dust." Since game is collection of music references Dust button might be homage to Queen's song "Another one bites the dust". There are plenty of ways that you can hurt a man And bring him to the ground You can beat him You can cheat him You can treat him bad and leave him When he's down But I'm ready yes I'm ready for you I'm standing on my own two feet As he should while blocking dust overhead.

[@hcaelBBleach]

Old school players are always my favorite ppl to listen to. Forever heroes imo

[@lucasterra8783]

LordKnight was probably gobsmacked when Justin was explaining Sentinel's fly move.

[@EthanOverE-Z]

He needs to get someone to talk about NRS's problem with instant air projectiles.

[@FlyXcur]

Someone needs to get in here with mk9 Kabal and his ability to infinite block string you to death if you have the execution.

[@itsCrust]

more like WK

[@sandau44]

JWong knows more about games I've never heard of than I know about my main games lmao what a legend

[@Fluctuatingmiasma]

I really like these videos, i don't know fighting games that well but you always explain everything well enough that i can generally follow the intricate details, thanks for the cool videos!

[@Eji1700]

Love that you're doing this. Would adore if you could get some Soul Calibur old hands on here. SC3 and 4 HAD SOME SHIT. 3 had the G22 glitch from 2 on CRACK (you ever been +22 on block?) which affected the entire cast, and IV had "touch someone anywhere and ring them out" combo nonsense from Hilde, and that's just off the top of my head.

[@Eji1700]

@@signalnoiz Ohhh man. I never got into to comp SC2 outside of watching matches, but I wanted to main Yung and didn't even know it was THAT bad. Whole series is wacky, and I think sadly because of that, slept on a bit given how strong the recent entry was.

[@Alza.art4518]

Honestly, I think chun li’s II special in third strike is pretty broken, no matter what you do it will always do damage, and a lot of it, even chip damage has enough to kill, I mean, unless you parry or something, but I doubt anyone can parry the entire attack string, right Justin?

[@fortissimo_ssb]

I had no idea how technical Sentinal was in Marvel 2 before this

[@SuuBrainrot]

Correction in 8:21 Strive has ONE character, Bridget, whose command grab isn't coded to be throw invun however it might as well be, since it's airborne after the 4 frame startup (which is really the only point where you can throw her out of it) don't think it ever comes into play though because she'll never use it in a range where you can be normal thrown anyways

[@GlowingOrangeOoze]

the window to ground throw her after she lands isn't that bad actually it's like 5 frames. I've done it on a hard read before because I think it's funny.

[@emeraldmann1329]

Winter Mantis and Leo's backturn command grab aren't throw invuln either

[@thechugg4372]

The funniest shit is that, even if Elphelt only had the shotgun and had zero other moves, she would STILL be the best character in the game

[@floatinsardines8104]

keep this content up, it's fun to learn about whack shenanigans you'd see and you'll learn some history as well

[@GarethXL]

remember you want to win? pick the top tier

[@Seydaschu]

When LK said "shotgun stance", Elphelt that!🥺

[@fubsysukina5279]

Awesome video you two! Was very enjoyable!

[@himuragoXD]

15:23 that mash from justin though hahaha

[@GoldbondPowder]

How you start the episode off with Yipes Choking? 7 DPs for lunch?

[@dermert]

God i can't remember what game the song playing at 13:41 is from. I know what it is BUT I CANT REMEMBER.

[@carcosa_swamp]

Its funny to me that Justin says SF3 second impact Akuma is most busted when if SF Movie the game he is a walking braindead touch of death combo lol

[@millerwrightt]

P sure Justin doesn't feel comfortable saying anything about that game that could be perceived as negative after how mad people got at him last time

[@KaitouKaiju]

@@millerwrightt why are people mad at Justin over a trash movie tie in

[@millerwrightt]

@@KaitouKaiju Justin said the game was "so bad" while playing it in an online tournament last year. A guy made a KZbin video calling out Justin, saying that Justin was being offensive to the people in the street fighter movie game community

[@KaitouKaiju]

@@millerwrightt So it's just one dude and fans of a bad game lol

[@Inojin67]

@@millerwrightt funny because "so bad" is probably the least negative take I've seen on street fighter the movie the game

[@ThePivotaddict]

all the anime games are confusing until you understand what is happening. The old capcom/snk games are even more confusing once you learn whats happening with usually only one correct answer if there is one (good luck implementing it)

[@kawaiiempoleon8721]

Doesn't elphelts stance have an infinite block string if you don't know where to instant block it

[@NothingLeftToDoButWin]

Great synergy between you guys. I’d love more content with both of you. Subbing now!

[@1demcrispylinks880]

I wonder if Justin was talking about pyrolee’s yun? 26:03

[@vincentn872]

He definitely is, he even chose his colors lol.

[@vyris2663]

12:14 ngl, that made me spit out my drink.

[@evidencedotzip]

Dude, do this with everyone who’s willing hahaha, I love these! Plus, lord knows there’s no shortage of BULLSHIT to cover!

[@smashfam1]

Whats the music at 11:24 while JW talks about Storm?

[@MikeRosadoGaming]

THE BEST KZbin Fighting game channel. You can't go wrong with Justin Wong.

[@xWebdriverTorso]

I know this is an older vid so I probably want get a response, but that hoodie is dope af? Linkage?

[@MoeHasubandoAbsolver]

Damn I didn't know Yipes had it like that

[@QuantemDeconstructor]

knowing JWong Chun SA2 is gonna get talked about

[@inosenso6281]

I look forward to these thumbnails every time

[@ZzigZaG00NIN]

ooh second Impact and Good ol Yun Genei Jin

[@PopstarDracula]

Flying characters are almost always near or top tier. Painwheel and Merkava are the main exceptions to come to mind

[@ar.temis696]

Ok I know platform fighters are different, but Meta-Knight’s Mach Tornado in Smash Brawl is actually insane. It’s a recovery, it’s a good movement option, it’s huge, it’s fast, it does good damage, and it’s basically unpunishable.

[@Gokuboy2002]

Some of those second impact stages are beautiful. Should of been in third strike

[@rwdd64]

I dont really play fighting games but i like content about it, especially jmcrofts ( that's where i discovered your channel from! (: ) but i saw that elphelt was added into strive and ive never seen her in xrd! She seems to be pretty different in terms of personallity and appearance. Very cool! Also, really like your vids, going to subscribe :)

[@Existgoth]

can't believe you had one of the co creators (with daigo) of eSports on here

[@Fleetw00d]

Adding "game defining" to my FG buzzwords list. I now know the real definition

[@pnda595]

youy dont know why the move that throws dust up at people crouching is called dust?

[@cynix88]

Happy chaos sipping wine(he’s using a silly straw)

[@momoTAMAGOTCHI]

Your channel should be called Let's go Justin!

[@Living_Target]

Fun fact I think dust was called launcher in the original GG. When they changed it to dust the follow up was renamed to homing jump over chase jump so maybe it's a sonic reference

[@jonathan_mothers]

6:00 If any human ever in existence ever said something in the lines of "she's so cute they shouldn't hate on her she's allowed to be broken" then I don't know if they should go outside or just give up man.

[@jonathan_mothers]

Before you tell me anything, people do it, they do it with ramlethal.

[@Gamersgoinblind]

We need like Mr.MKL or Woolie for one of these but more for indie, obscure, or kusoge fighting games.

[@grimedoc8180]

Looking forward to when someone talks about Vergil's belt, or Dark Phoenix's cr.lp. These cannot be ignored forever lol

[@bliksemridder7936]

Im surprised he didn't show the entire moves kit of chaos on strive

[@mrsurprise2294]

Strider mvc 1 orbs, black heart air special mvsf does lots on block and hit, kid goku tenkaichi 3 false courage, kid buu had those flurry of punches that went on forever builds meter and drain yours dodging., slim buus ball special was pretty hard to punish as well. Zangief launcher in xvsf for the easiest infinte just two buttons, Juggernaut xvsf another easy inf throw in the corner to constant forward heavy punch, wolverine speedy mode in mvsf if you activate it when other character about to come in you can cross them up and land easy 1 hit heavy punch 100% reset, mvsf omega strike covers long distance can retract to not get punished, powerstone falcon and ayane tracking specials you need practice dodging those

[@BDDterror]

We need a tekken tag 1 player to go over Jin in that game for tekken he sometimes else

[@АндрейБабичук-у9ц]

6:39 The move is called Dust because it is like most characters an Homage to Rock music culture, and this particular is a reference to Queen's song "another one bites the DUST".

[@АртёмТор-к2ю]

That's a very far reach

[@spac3-cad3t]

@@АртёмТор-к2ю maybe but nobody can't stop me now from saying "another one bites the dust" while landing one obviously because I'm having a good time. I'm a shooting star leaping through the sky like a tiger defying the laws of gravity =D

[@АндрейБабичук-у9ц]

@@АртёмТор-к2ю a far reach for the game with queen references littered all across it? (Sol, slayer - TWO characters are referencing it, one of then being the main one). I mean the Slash button is a reference to a legendary rock figure, so you know.

[@lordice5]

When a command normal is a single button option select

[@mariop8852]

Really surprised not to see +R Zappa Sword.

[@striderzer0]

Also for Yun all of his normals and specials get Super priority so its almost impossible to poke him out of stuff to get him off you

[@sigurdtheblue]

Delete your comment. There are already enough of these.

[@saki7505]

​@@sigurdtheblue no

[@AngelusNielson]

Combos were originally bugs in the programing.

[@NasuPrime]

Ain’t no way doom footdive didn’t make it in

[@lordknightfgc]

I'm actually hype to get a MVC3 expert for one of these hahaha

[@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw]

hi nasu.

[@NasuPrime]

@@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw henlo

[@aj991]

Finally somebody talk about genei jin.

[@tangled55]

At 19:38 What in the heck game is that?! Someone tell me, please. I have to know! :D

[@MusicoftheDamned]

Provided you're still looking for the answer, the game was _Granblue Fantasy: Versus_ which I have never played myself but "know" the summon in question is the character Lowain's most aggravating super.

[@tangled55]

@@MusicoftheDamned thank you!

[@ttt22tt33]

37:23 WTF

[@HumbleDude46995]

HOW OLD IS LORD KNIGHT?!

[@EXFrost]

Got hit by the aging beam

[@HumbleDude46995]

@@EXFrost we already know he is gay , but how old is he?

[@yugimumoto1]

I still say that when I think of an "install" super I don't think of dragon install I think of genei jin.

[@boxatron8010]

I'm just gonna ask this why is his version of Xrd in Japanese

[@NSAgent]

I'm surprised Sean's 2nd impact tornado kick didn't make it. That move is stupid LoL

[@GameConnoisseur69]

These videos are sooooo mf good

[@Living_Target]

Still waiting for Baiken's Baku to show its head on the series.

[@michaelwhitmire9015]

Yall think storm is busted? in sf vs x-men wolverine can air grab you several times before reaching the ground,but it gets worse if paired with magneto he can do it from any spot.

[@j.a.g816]

wait what game is that goddess summon from

[@MusicoftheDamned]

Provided you're still looking for the answer, the game was _Granblue Fantasy: Versus_ which I have never played myself but "know" the summon in question is the character Lowain's most aggravating super.

[@dracocrusher]

Honestly, Elphelt needs to come back for Strive. I don't know if that works with the lore, but it'd be so easy to fix her stance stuff and I think it'd just be genuinely nice to have another Stance character that's not Leo doing weird crazy BS. Besides, it feels like she kind-of deserves a chance to redeem herself by being actually fair, right? And Strive is nothing if not balanced feeling (for the most part). I'm imagining you get stance move, you have the light hits and the gun, but maybe she has an ammo counter like Happy Chaos that you need to leave stance to reload. So you can still do big gun damage, but your pressure is way more limited and each missed shot is making you need to re-stock resources you could have saved to use for damage. Keep the grab and throw in the grenade stuff for basic Oki setups and tricky plays, and that honestly feels like a pretty solid retooling of the character. Maybe take away the sniper rifle and instead she can knock the actual grenade around or manually detonate it with the Shotgun for bonus damage and a guard crush? That honestly feels like it'd be a pretty fitting logical way to do things that keeps her solid while still fixing the main problem of "Shotgun can keep going forever until command grab hits."

[@metroidgus]

so do i have good news for you

[@dracocrusher]

@@metroidgus Huh... I was expecting them to bust out a new character soon, but what are the odds? I'm really wondering how legit this leak is, though. The design changed things up a lot, so it'd be a weird fake, but it's really hard to tell when we just have a few stills to go off of.

[@metroidgus]

@@dracocrusher same the new render by itself i may have doubted it but the two in game stills looked too real to be fake, if she does return I'll deff be interested in picking her up

[@FlyXcur]

​@@dracocrusherso how are you liking Elphelt in strive?

[@dracocrusher]

@@FlyXcur She's really cool, but I'm a bit mixed. Her ranged stuff is sick as heck, but her rekkas feel weird. Like you can loop guesses and they're kind-of unsafe, but you have to know what to do and stuff.... It's all personal preference, but the gameplan just feels kind-of awkward at times. I love her actual combos and stuff, but her 'win condition' is just a bit weird feeling, I think.

[@0ctopusComp1etely]

Shadow Labrys IS my waifu 😆 Man, I miss watching Banana Ken play her. His lab combos were inspirational.

[@kahsaiharmon15]

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[@TheStrategist314]

Collabs with Wong are the best.

[@Muzjinn]

Off topic but LordKnight got nice ass eyelashes. Like he has natural pharaoh eyeliner on.

[@1000Tomatoes]

Justin really is doing the teehee pose in the thumbnail.

[@momoTAMAGOTCHI]

I'll click on anything with Elphelt

[@afallentree_]

How old is lord knight?

[@PoiPoi5189]

This was cool

[@yokoyokome5281]

I'm shock you didn't add Morrigan mvc3. Man she's broken

[@keonakel9678]

15:04 BY FAR

[@deeannchesebro]

He always says he's gunna one up them then never actually does

[@Rv3Ariez]

Im legit mad he acting like tony stark cant 1 touch your entire team from anywhere on the screen with unfly.

[@drunkredninja]

Intended gameplay design vs emergent gameplay

[@NovaSlimedragon]

i've been waiting for elphelt to be mentioned in one of these for so long. i love her, but oh my goodness everything about shotgun stance is fucked up. charged sg.H doing 8% chip, and being frame 1 too. its just so silly