Storm can cancel the normal with her float. If you don't float, the HP recovery is normal.
@horacionivar2869 Жыл бұрын
yo idk if u watched Young Justice but u reminded me of Forager at the end of the video🤣
@BDDterror Жыл бұрын
Honorable mention to sfa2 akuma
@BDDterror Жыл бұрын
@@hangukhitman facts
@missquake Жыл бұрын
Who are you?
@MundaneAxiom Жыл бұрын
I love how half of Justin's moves boil down to "this is why moves should have recovery frames"
@elijahoneill5228 Жыл бұрын
And startup a lot of instant moves as well
@Staticsheep28 Жыл бұрын
Or non active frames in general.
@SP_Sour Жыл бұрын
LK: "Good old Arc System Works, nothing beats that" JW: "Good old 90s Capcom, nothing beats that"
@glacierwolf2155 Жыл бұрын
Great minds think alike.
@Alejandro-er7rp Жыл бұрын
the best part is that they are both right
@Cashmoneez Жыл бұрын
LK be like: “this move was op, ran the meta, and was constantly nerfed” And Justin just says “ok.” and proceeds to show some demonic shit from an old game
@pyromaniacforhire Жыл бұрын
Justin pulled out the dusty Necronomicon.
@aspoonofgarlic6676 Жыл бұрын
Justin Wong is the pope and just mentions everything that's fucking evil about these moves
@@pyromaniacforhirePlaying on the Necronomiconsole
@Midekai Жыл бұрын
@@bunnybreakerunderrated reply lol
@THeKallOfCtulu Жыл бұрын
Learning there's a *more* busted version of storm in a Versus game is blowing my mind
@tearitup5864 Жыл бұрын
And here I thought marvel 2 was the crème de la crème….
@NeoBoneGirl Жыл бұрын
The main thing that pushes Elphelt Shotgun to be annoying is that it does mad chip for no reason. It's basically proto guard crush, and she's already got a command grab to make you scared of blocking. It would at least encourage Elphelt players to go to the grab that leaves a gap instead of just chipping you out and forcing a response
@BxnnyBride Жыл бұрын
Elphelt my beloved
@rowleyryan9025 Жыл бұрын
Can’t wait to see what they do with her when she inevitably gets into strive
@MusicoftheDamned Жыл бұрын
@@rowleyryan9025I'll laugh if she never makes it into _Strive_ like how neither Robo-Ky nor Zappa got into _Xrd_ despite being in story mode: "Elphelt died on the way back to her home planet."
@speenta487911 ай бұрын
@@MusicoftheDamned well well well
@MusicoftheDamned11 ай бұрын
@@speenta4879 Funnily enough, I got the best outcome it seems: a death metal Elphelt who is essentially Noel Vermillion & basically a completely different character anyway *and* getting a bunch of funny reactions to her release.
@fabioandrade8476 Жыл бұрын
Justin didn't mention that when Yun is in Genei all his moves have super priority. So you can't even trade with him, even his lights will beat any other normal.
@LadyMorrigan Жыл бұрын
💀
@michaelwhitmire9015 Жыл бұрын
Yun also has a infinite in third strike due to genei.
@sargassosea3432 Жыл бұрын
I believe that was the point Justin was trying to make when he mentioned that Genei Jin changed all of Yun's frame data and notably his crouching light kick became 2 frames during Genei Jin. Justin mentioned that the fastest button in the game is 2 frames. In other words Yun's buttons come out faster than almost every button from the rest of the cast and can only be matched not beaten in frame data. Basically all his moves have super priority, as you said. 22:52
@fabioandrade8476 Жыл бұрын
@@sargassosea3432 Yes, the frame data changes, but 3rd strike does have an actual priority system. If two moves would hit on the same frame the higher strength one will beat the lower one, but since all Yun's normals are now counted as "super" it beats all other regular normals.
@MusicoftheDamned Жыл бұрын
@@fabioandrade8476Ugh. Learning this male m now feel even more justified loathing fighting Yun even if Chun-li is arguably better overall. Genei-Jin is *so* dumb, and yet it wouldn't be nearly as bad if he couldn't effortlessly get like half of his meter back after hitting you with it after it ends.
@deadfr0g Жыл бұрын
Yessss, these collabs have been so good!! I’m really looking forward to the next entry, “Unprovoked Attacks in Fighting Games (With Jiyuna)”
@TalesNT Жыл бұрын
Back on GGX Dust Attack was performed by pressing S+HS and they all had the same Dust that appears when you Super Jump. So when XX was made and they created its own button they used the same name.
@_Jay_Maker_ Жыл бұрын
Yep, I always assumed it was this. It's called "Dust" because it's an auto-launcher that literally kicked up dust when it animated.
@BBGunRenegade Жыл бұрын
One thing about Genei Jin that I don't think got mentioned. 3rd Strike has a priority system for how trades are determined so heavy normals almost beat medium and medium always beat light etc. Supers have the highest priority and Genei Jin makes it so that everyone of Yun's normals has super priority so you can't challenge him during it
@emperormegaman38568 ай бұрын
Damn, I heard that this thing was broken, I 've see it is broken when playing 3rd strike... I didn't realize it was THAT broken
@SoFishtry Жыл бұрын
That storm super jump is the funniest shit I've seen in one of these I think. So goofy
@jnet124 Жыл бұрын
This series is extremely dope. though I don't know if this is up your alley or if you can find anyone who can help you out, i'd love to see some more "poverty" or "Kusoge" broken moves, Stuff like E's Laf where characters like Alcott have Super busted normals, or the best non-metered DP in any game ive played. Seeing justins inputs on moves everyone knows is broken like genijin and learning how and why was super duper interesting! keep up the good stuff.
@Iguessimhere154 Жыл бұрын
It's great to get old school players like Jwong on board for this series cause that's where you get the jank and cheapest things that is lost in history
@cirro51 Жыл бұрын
I wish these games had a function in which you could play whichever patch version you wanted. Kind of like USF4. Granted if you wanted to play against someone they would have to either select the same version or allow select all version to play against. I think that'd be interesting for nonranked online or local player versus and training modes. It's a shame we can't go back and see some of these jank moves in their original glory or inglorious however you want to look at it.
@ThePrototype047 Жыл бұрын
For elphelt you forget to mention that the shotgun shot counts as a projectile but you can't blitz it. That max range should have been the metric for blitzing all projectile distances but you can't.
@Jaesnek Жыл бұрын
When I saw Shadow Labrys my brain went to thinking about her unlockable bite setups from 1.0 P4U2, but Titanomachy is also broken as shit and 1.1 was even more ridiculous.
@bruceleeds7988 Жыл бұрын
16:00 If it is not clear to people, Justin is taking about Storm from X-Men Vs Street Fighter
@hcaelBBleach Жыл бұрын
Old school players are always my favorite ppl to listen to. Forever heroes imo
@itsCrust Жыл бұрын
more like WK
@EthanOverE-Z Жыл бұрын
He needs to get someone to talk about NRS's problem with instant air projectiles.
@FlyXcur10 ай бұрын
Someone needs to get in here with mk9 Kabal and his ability to infinite block string you to death if you have the execution.
@IamSafehead Жыл бұрын
I love how LK is really trying to vary the content and have dope collabs
@andrewpurdy6743 Жыл бұрын
Throwing a guess out there. The slow fall mechanic is acting as an animation cancel that happens immediately after the first frame of the fierce. Magneto doesn’t have slow fall so it doesn’t trigger as an animation cancel.
@spac3-cad3t Жыл бұрын
6:37 "I don't know why they called it dust." Since game is collection of music references Dust button might be homage to Queen's song "Another one bites the dust". There are plenty of ways that you can hurt a man And bring him to the ground You can beat him You can cheat him You can treat him bad and leave him When he's down But I'm ready yes I'm ready for you I'm standing on my own two feet As he should while blocking dust overhead.
@lucasterra8783 Жыл бұрын
LordKnight was probably gobsmacked when Justin was explaining Sentinel's fly move.
@sandau44 Жыл бұрын
JWong knows more about games I've never heard of than I know about my main games lmao what a legend
@Eji1700 Жыл бұрын
Love that you're doing this. Would adore if you could get some Soul Calibur old hands on here. SC3 and 4 HAD SOME SHIT. 3 had the G22 glitch from 2 on CRACK (you ever been +22 on block?) which affected the entire cast, and IV had "touch someone anywhere and ring them out" combo nonsense from Hilde, and that's just off the top of my head.
@Eji1700 Жыл бұрын
@@signalnoiz Ohhh man. I never got into to comp SC2 outside of watching matches, but I wanted to main Yung and didn't even know it was THAT bad. Whole series is wacky, and I think sadly because of that, slept on a bit given how strong the recent entry was.
@fortissimo_ssb Жыл бұрын
I had no idea how technical Sentinal was in Marvel 2 before this
@Seydaschu Жыл бұрын
When LK said "shotgun stance", Elphelt that!🥺
@GarethXL Жыл бұрын
remember you want to win? pick the top tier
@floatinsardines8104 Жыл бұрын
keep this content up, it's fun to learn about whack shenanigans you'd see and you'll learn some history as well
@Alza.art4518 Жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think chun li’s II special in third strike is pretty broken, no matter what you do it will always do damage, and a lot of it, even chip damage has enough to kill, I mean, unless you parry or something, but I doubt anyone can parry the entire attack string, right Justin?
@Fluctuatingmiasma3 ай бұрын
I really like these videos, i don't know fighting games that well but you always explain everything well enough that i can generally follow the intricate details, thanks for the cool videos!
@thechugg4372 Жыл бұрын
The funniest shit is that, even if Elphelt only had the shotgun and had zero other moves, she would STILL be the best character in the game
@ThePivotaddict4 ай бұрын
all the anime games are confusing until you understand what is happening. The old capcom/snk games are even more confusing once you learn whats happening with usually only one correct answer if there is one (good luck implementing it)
@himuragoXD Жыл бұрын
15:23 that mash from justin though hahaha
@MikeRosadoGaming4 ай бұрын
THE BEST KZbin Fighting game channel. You can't go wrong with Justin Wong.
@fubsysukina5279 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video you two! Was very enjoyable!
@Fleetw00d Жыл бұрын
Adding "game defining" to my FG buzzwords list. I now know the real definition
@Gokuboy2002 Жыл бұрын
Some of those second impact stages are beautiful. Should of been in third strike
@evidencedotzip Жыл бұрын
Dude, do this with everyone who’s willing hahaha, I love these! Plus, lord knows there’s no shortage of BULLSHIT to cover!
@vyris2663 Жыл бұрын
12:14 ngl, that made me spit out my drink.
@MoeHasubandoAbsolver Жыл бұрын
Damn I didn't know Yipes had it like that
@Gamersgoinblind Жыл бұрын
We need like Mr.MKL or Woolie for one of these but more for indie, obscure, or kusoge fighting games.
@PopstarDracula Жыл бұрын
Flying characters are almost always near or top tier. Painwheel and Merkava are the main exceptions to come to mind
@QuantemDeconstructor Жыл бұрын
knowing JWong Chun SA2 is gonna get talked about
@ZzigZaG00NIN Жыл бұрын
ooh second Impact and Good ol Yun Genei Jin
@ar.temis696 Жыл бұрын
Ok I know platform fighters are different, but Meta-Knight’s Mach Tornado in Smash Brawl is actually insane. It’s a recovery, it’s a good movement option, it’s huge, it’s fast, it does good damage, and it’s basically unpunishable.
@grimedoc8180 Жыл бұрын
Looking forward to when someone talks about Vergil's belt, or Dark Phoenix's cr.lp. These cannot be ignored forever lol
@SuuBrainrot Жыл бұрын
Correction in 8:21 Strive has ONE character, Bridget, whose command grab isn't coded to be throw invun however it might as well be, since it's airborne after the 4 frame startup (which is really the only point where you can throw her out of it) don't think it ever comes into play though because she'll never use it in a range where you can be normal thrown anyways
@GlowingOrangeOoze Жыл бұрын
the window to ground throw her after she lands isn't that bad actually it's like 5 frames. I've done it on a hard read before because I think it's funny.
@emeraldmann1329 Жыл бұрын
Winter Mantis and Leo's backturn command grab aren't throw invuln either
@Existgoth Жыл бұрын
can't believe you had one of the co creators (with daigo) of eSports on here
@inosenso6281 Жыл бұрын
I look forward to these thumbnails every time
@carcosa_swamp Жыл бұрын
Its funny to me that Justin says SF3 second impact Akuma is most busted when if SF Movie the game he is a walking braindead touch of death combo lol
@millerwrightt Жыл бұрын
P sure Justin doesn't feel comfortable saying anything about that game that could be perceived as negative after how mad people got at him last time
@KaitouKaiju Жыл бұрын
@@millerwrightt why are people mad at Justin over a trash movie tie in
@millerwrightt Жыл бұрын
@@KaitouKaiju Justin said the game was "so bad" while playing it in an online tournament last year. A guy made a KZbin video calling out Justin, saying that Justin was being offensive to the people in the street fighter movie game community
@KaitouKaiju Жыл бұрын
@@millerwrightt So it's just one dude and fans of a bad game lol
@Inojin67 Жыл бұрын
@@millerwrightt funny because "so bad" is probably the least negative take I've seen on street fighter the movie the game
@mrsurprise2294 Жыл бұрын
Strider mvc 1 orbs, black heart air special mvsf does lots on block and hit, kid goku tenkaichi 3 false courage, kid buu had those flurry of punches that went on forever builds meter and drain yours dodging., slim buus ball special was pretty hard to punish as well. Zangief launcher in xvsf for the easiest infinte just two buttons, Juggernaut xvsf another easy inf throw in the corner to constant forward heavy punch, wolverine speedy mode in mvsf if you activate it when other character about to come in you can cross them up and land easy 1 hit heavy punch 100% reset, mvsf omega strike covers long distance can retract to not get punished, powerstone falcon and ayane tracking specials you need practice dodging those
@mariop8852 Жыл бұрын
Really surprised not to see +R Zappa Sword.
@NothingLeftToDoButWin Жыл бұрын
Great synergy between you guys. I’d love more content with both of you. Subbing now!
@BDDterror Жыл бұрын
We need a tekken tag 1 player to go over Jin in that game for tekken he sometimes else
@aj991 Жыл бұрын
Finally somebody talk about genei jin.
@cynix88 Жыл бұрын
Happy chaos sipping wine(he’s using a silly straw)
@Living_Target Жыл бұрын
Fun fact I think dust was called launcher in the original GG. When they changed it to dust the follow up was renamed to homing jump over chase jump so maybe it's a sonic reference
@momoTAMAGOTCHI Жыл бұрын
Your channel should be called Let's go Justin!
@NasuPrime Жыл бұрын
Ain’t no way doom footdive didn’t make it in
@LordKnightfgc Жыл бұрын
I'm actually hype to get a MVC3 expert for one of these hahaha
@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw Жыл бұрын
hi nasu.
@NasuPrime Жыл бұрын
@@eW91dHViZSBpcyBjZW5zb3JzaGlw henlo
@GoldbondPowder3 ай бұрын
How you start the episode off with Yipes Choking? 7 DPs for lunch?
@rwdd6410 ай бұрын
I dont really play fighting games but i like content about it, especially jmcrofts ( that's where i discovered your channel from! (: ) but i saw that elphelt was added into strive and ive never seen her in xrd! She seems to be pretty different in terms of personallity and appearance. Very cool! Also, really like your vids, going to subscribe :)
@yugimumoto1 Жыл бұрын
I still say that when I think of an "install" super I don't think of dragon install I think of genei jin.
@0ctopusComp1etely Жыл бұрын
Shadow Labrys IS my waifu 😆 Man, I miss watching Banana Ken play her. His lab combos were inspirational.
@kawaiiempoleon8721 Жыл бұрын
Doesn't elphelts stance have an infinite block string if you don't know where to instant block it
@1demcrispylinks880 Жыл бұрын
I wonder if Justin was talking about pyrolee’s yun? 26:03
@vincentn872 Жыл бұрын
He definitely is, he even chose his colors lol.
@lordice5 Жыл бұрын
When a command normal is a single button option select
@bliksemridder793611 ай бұрын
Im surprised he didn't show the entire moves kit of chaos on strive
@Living_Target Жыл бұрын
Still waiting for Baiken's Baku to show its head on the series.
For broken moves, I always think of Yosuke's j2.b/j.ab in Vanilla and 1.1 respectively. Not for the move itself, but because it enabled glide.
@GameConnoisseur69 Жыл бұрын
These videos are sooooo mf good
@striderzer0 Жыл бұрын
Also for Yun all of his normals and specials get Super priority so its almost impossible to poke him out of stuff to get him off you
@sigurdtheblue Жыл бұрын
Delete your comment. There are already enough of these.
@saki7505 Жыл бұрын
@@sigurdtheblue no
@dermert Жыл бұрын
God i can't remember what game the song playing at 13:41 is from. I know what it is BUT I CANT REMEMBER.
@Muzjinn8 ай бұрын
Off topic but LordKnight got nice ass eyelashes. Like he has natural pharaoh eyeliner on.
@TheStrategist314 Жыл бұрын
Collabs with Wong are the best.
@smashfam1 Жыл бұрын
Whats the music at 11:24 while JW talks about Storm?
@xWebdriverTorso9 ай бұрын
I know this is an older vid so I probably want get a response, but that hoodie is dope af? Linkage?
@NSAgent Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised Sean's 2nd impact tornado kick didn't make it. That move is stupid LoL
@HumbleDude46995 Жыл бұрын
HOW OLD IS LORD KNIGHT?!
@EXFrost Жыл бұрын
Got hit by the aging beam
@HumbleDude46995 Жыл бұрын
@@EXFrost we already know he is gay , but how old is he?
@dracocrusher11 ай бұрын
Honestly, Elphelt needs to come back for Strive. I don't know if that works with the lore, but it'd be so easy to fix her stance stuff and I think it'd just be genuinely nice to have another Stance character that's not Leo doing weird crazy BS. Besides, it feels like she kind-of deserves a chance to redeem herself by being actually fair, right? And Strive is nothing if not balanced feeling (for the most part). I'm imagining you get stance move, you have the light hits and the gun, but maybe she has an ammo counter like Happy Chaos that you need to leave stance to reload. So you can still do big gun damage, but your pressure is way more limited and each missed shot is making you need to re-stock resources you could have saved to use for damage. Keep the grab and throw in the grenade stuff for basic Oki setups and tricky plays, and that honestly feels like a pretty solid retooling of the character. Maybe take away the sniper rifle and instead she can knock the actual grenade around or manually detonate it with the Shotgun for bonus damage and a guard crush? That honestly feels like it'd be a pretty fitting logical way to do things that keeps her solid while still fixing the main problem of "Shotgun can keep going forever until command grab hits."
@metroidgus11 ай бұрын
so do i have good news for you
@dracocrusher11 ай бұрын
@@metroidgus Huh... I was expecting them to bust out a new character soon, but what are the odds? I'm really wondering how legit this leak is, though. The design changed things up a lot, so it'd be a weird fake, but it's really hard to tell when we just have a few stills to go off of.
@metroidgus11 ай бұрын
@@dracocrusher same the new render by itself i may have doubted it but the two in game stills looked too real to be fake, if she does return I'll deff be interested in picking her up
@FlyXcur10 ай бұрын
@@dracocrusherso how are you liking Elphelt in strive?
@dracocrusher10 ай бұрын
@@FlyXcur She's really cool, but I'm a bit mixed. Her ranged stuff is sick as heck, but her rekkas feel weird. Like you can loop guesses and they're kind-of unsafe, but you have to know what to do and stuff.... It's all personal preference, but the gameplan just feels kind-of awkward at times. I love her actual combos and stuff, but her 'win condition' is just a bit weird feeling, I think.
@yokoyokome5281 Жыл бұрын
I'm shock you didn't add Morrigan mvc3. Man she's broken
@pnda595 Жыл бұрын
youy dont know why the move that throws dust up at people crouching is called dust?
@drunkredninja Жыл бұрын
Intended gameplay design vs emergent gameplay
@sabre_km4187 Жыл бұрын
I think toph would be a great guest for the series, he plays a bunch of fighting games and can comment on some smash stuff
@Simon_E32 Жыл бұрын
I must now boot marvel 2 and try to unfly combo.
@Rv3Ariez Жыл бұрын
Im legit mad he acting like tony stark cant 1 touch your entire team from anywhere on the screen with unfly.
@1000Tomatoes Жыл бұрын
Justin really is doing the teehee pose in the thumbnail.
@hanzhovaj4129 Жыл бұрын
The most overall powerful move in any fighting game? SPAMMING AND MORE SPAMMING OF FIREBALLS
@jonathan_mothers Жыл бұрын
6:00 If any human ever in existence ever said something in the lines of "she's so cute they shouldn't hate on her she's allowed to be broken" then I don't know if they should go outside or just give up man.
@jonathan_mothers Жыл бұрын
Before you tell me anything, people do it, they do it with ramlethal.
@keonakel9678 Жыл бұрын
15:04 BY FAR
@ttt22tt33 Жыл бұрын
37:23 WTF
@PoiPoi5189 Жыл бұрын
This was cool
@deeannchesebro Жыл бұрын
He always says he's gunna one up them then never actually does
@boxatron8010 Жыл бұрын
I'm just gonna ask this why is his version of Xrd in Japanese
@j.a.g816 Жыл бұрын
wait what game is that goddess summon from
@MusicoftheDamned Жыл бұрын
Provided you're still looking for the answer, the game was _Granblue Fantasy: Versus_ which I have never played myself but "know" the summon in question is the character Lowain's most aggravating super.
@Bloodyshinta17 ай бұрын
man justin didn't really talk about how busted genejin having super priority is, all yun's normals get super priority and beat other normals in trades, combined with fastest normal in the game = you don't get to hit any fucking buttons and he has a command throw he can combo off of lmao.