Where should I look (Head Position) on backhand drives?

[@ZeeK33NKS]

*Some crucial advice right here*. Im someone who has dedicated years of practice to pro form. Practice any and everything to fix my crap form. I’ve gone from max distance being 260ft to 400ft - 440ft. Hips fire first. Power pocket has enough space between chest to keep me from rounding. No pulling and all rotation. HOWEVER this advice made everything above easier to accomplish and pushed my distance ceiling to new heights. Why? fixed head(minimal movement) helps keep your spine aligned. A fixed spine creates a fixed center of gravity for your arms and legs to rotate around quicker. Think hard boiled egg spinning vs raw egg spinning. Same power but two very different speeds. After this change i find it much more natural and way less effort to rotate. Great Vid yall im happy people are finally getting the little things right cause they are more important than people think.

[@defeatedeye7693]

best tip ever i was always stuck around 350 ft now can consistantly hit over 400ft i dont think i ever felt coil until this video

[@markhumphrey8894]

I'm shocked at how accurate my back hand shots are now with trying to look forward until forced to look back. I feel like the brace is better and my coil up is tighter. Improved woods play now. I can't believe how after 6 years of crappy play I'm stumbling onto the same ideas you are. Keep posting and working out techniques for us!

[@CentralOSurvival]

And to think...I was gonna give up...until now! More great teachings, from a master..lol!! Good stuff man!

[@draketw206]

The twirly bird video instantly added 100 feet to my throw and leveled it out. I think this additional video will really clean it up. Thanks for the awesome explanations!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Wowzers! 100 feet is huge! Great work

[@SirSendys]

Love the vids man. I modified the twirly bird a bit to incorporate it into my practice swing and am playing 2 or 3 strokes better at my home course this month. Currently losing a lot of distance because I'm making sure I stare straight at my line, giving me a really short reach back. Keep me head forward and letting my shoulder manipulate my chin/head and trusting my line is my next step. Thanks again!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Absolutely. Great work!

[@markhumphrey8894]

Lucid's: that distance will come back. I'm staring at the line as long as possible and then releasing out in front of my chest and it is more accurate. My distance maybe a little less but the disc is landing near its intended goal. As you know, in this game a few inches off and your dead in the wood or bushes!

[@timbower185]

Overthrow drills + Overthrow tips = Lower scores and Higher ratings.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I like that formula.

[@lofen100]

You´re a rising star teacher! thanks a lot from the other side of the world! (Sweden)

[@joeillingworth1141]

HOW HAVE I NOT BEEN SUBSCRIBED THIS WHOLE TIME?? As always, love the content. You've found the sweetspot for what to focus on to help beginner and advanced players alike improve

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

You’re here now and that’s all that matters

[@shilohpellman4610]

Bro.......you been holding out on me. MEGA USEFUL. Keep em coming

[@lisaperry63]

Ricky Wysocki is a good one to watch for this. He really exaggerates NOT turning his head too far back. When I noticed him doing this, I realized I am doing exactly what you say not to do, which is over-rotating my hips/shoulders on the reach back. So many mechanics! Fix one thing and something else goes wrong. So frustrating as a beginner. Great video Josh, as always! ❤️

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Ricky is just good to watch on the backhand in general because he does exaggerate so many things like you said

[@jdp1409]

Loving your videos man! You’re a natural teacher

[@b-radg916]

I've been thinking about this lately, so glad I found this! As a n00b, I really focused on trying to throw what I call "flat/flat", and I started looking at the disc as I reached back, to visually check that it was. I then started watching the disc as I began to pull (to make sure it was still flat/flat), and eventually came to watch it almost all the way to my chest. After that, I don't really know where my eyes go, but I know I'm not in a big rush to find anything with my eyes until the disc is gone and I watch its flight. My accuracy has been fine for now, just trusting my setup and approach, but I have been wondering what other people do with their heads and/or eyes. Thanks for all the great content!!

[@konnerkennedy1869]

You boys are killing it. Love the colors and love the teaching.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

thanks Konner. It was great to see you again the other day. Hope i didn't interrupt y'alls flow too bad. Congrats again.

[@trentonmurphy6860]

Great job on these vids, I’m digging them.

[@CJKrieg24]

First video of yours I’ve seen. Great video. Short, simple, funny/engaging, easy to follow. Well done man, well done

[@seabas22]

I advised players to use a forward pump/address of the arm/disc to target/hit point during the x-step to help aim and keep from turning back too early/far like McBeth, Feldberg, Schultz, Philo, MJ.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Makes total sense. I’m in a love hate relationship with the forward pump because most guys do it wrong. Beautiful when it works.

[@seabas22]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Easier to learn it with a hammer.

[@tango__mike]

Fantastic tip! I need to pay attention to that.

[@andrewweber7949]

What about head placement during the throw/after the throw? Should the focus be on getting the head back to forward the whole time, kind of snapping it back to forward as the disc/shoulders come through, or should we leave it at roughly perpendicular to the release line and only follow through after the disc is gone, as in ball golf? I don't want to make it a robotic move, but I also just wonder your thoughts on the matter.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

My thoughts are that the rotation of the upper body on the back swing turns your head back as the shoulders go. Then the rotation of the shoulders on your forward swing does the same thing but pulls your head forward.

[@thebeasters]

Lmfao....bro those head movements are hilarious

[@mrclifton32]

Love it. Show you throwing some more!

[@thebloodandtheglory]

Thank you very much.

[@erikhalvorson8300]

Older player here (60 this year). At this stage of life, my throws have increasingly developed a nose up release angle. I'm attributing this due to my joints becoming less flexible. I've found that the Bonapane grip seems to require a lot less effort to correct the nose angle and is fairly comfortable on my joints. My flat level release angle now is very consistent. What's your take?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I’ve seen people swear by the bonopane grip. Do what works at the end of the day

[@COMPNOR-97]

Ok I'm slightly confused now. In your one drill you were keeping your head above your belt buckle when you were going into reach back then pocket then forward to release right? So was that just for that drill and the others? Because your head didn't look centered.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Head should stay above belt buckle. This is not meant to change that. This video I showed the chin on shoulder as exaggeration ONLY. The point is that you want your head to rotate backwards BECAUSE of the shoulders, not separate from them. Twirly bird, hip drills, and this are 100% compatible

[@PastHisPrime336]

I've had people tell me they stopped standing behind when I threw me because when I would rotate back they felt like I was looking them dead in the eyes and it made them uncomfortable. I would never see them because I would be paying so much attention on where my body was and how I was planting my feet and rotating it was an involuntary look back. It made me laugh that my reach back method made people uncomfortable.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I used to do this too!!! Haha.

[@videosverigenu4621]

Thx ma dude

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Sure thing brotha

[@sashasashasashasasha]

Great teaching Josh and awesome production Mikey. Josh, just curious, have you practiced martial arts? Your smooth movements and especially your left arm and hand movement at the back-reach looks like kung fu motions.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I've only practiced vicariously through copious amounts of Jackie Chan, Donny Yen, Tony Ja, and Jack Black. Seriously though, I have been thinking about how fun it would be to try. I find all of the martial arts fascinating and do spend time watching various styles.

[@sashasashasashasasha]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Haha, nice. If you decide to take up any form of martial arts, it'll come naturally to you because you have the natural body motions and blocking movements down - especially when you shoot your left arm down in front of your body before the disc release. Keep up the great work guys. Much appreciated!

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@sashasashasashasasha interesting. Where does that left arm move happen in martial arts? I’d really love to get into some BJJ and Wing chun

[@sashasashasashasasha]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Take a look at how the left forearm shoots down low to block the lower rung of the wing chun wooden dummy. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZKtqIyEptR9b5Y. If you can only incorporate a wing chun wooden dummy in your disc golf teaching "sensei." Haha. That would be amazing. Fun fact: The real Ip Man was Bruce Lee's actual teacher ("sifu" or "sensei").

[@sarinhighwind]

Never paid attention to peoples head looking back. Im usually looking for them to lead with the head which causes really bad issues

[@CruelUnknown]

Damn I need to sub to your Patreon.

[@mad85123]

After your videos, I went from 420' to 450' average on my long throws. This head drill added accuracy to my backhand. Any chance you can do more forehand tips???

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

For sure. I'd love to do more FH stuff. There is a really good forehand nugget in our most recent live stream. I'd recommend you check it out. There is only one FH form review there so it should be easy to find. I think you'll be satisfied with the information.

[@smileyboy2700]

Should I still look forward from my peripheral vision from my eyes or should I look at the ground during that time when I have fully reachbacked and keep looking at the ground till off-arm lifts my head up?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I would peek forward with the peripheral. Wouldn’t recommend looking at the ground.

[@smileyboy2700]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf I asked the same question from slingshot guy on KZbin and he told me that he tries to look forward as long as possible and then when he comes to the middle, he tries to look at the ground till his follow through brings his head up. Basically he tries to do what Drew Gibson does because he says that Drew's head placement is good. My questions are: 1) Why don't you recommend looking at the ground? 2) Why should one peek forward when starting the acceleration from the reachback and reaching the middle instead of looking at the ground when reaching the middle (90 degree angle basically) 3) Won't there be timing issues or accuracy issues when you always look at the target, even if you look a little bit?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@smileyboy2700 you won’t be able to look at the target the whole time but the feeling should be like you are trying to. Most pros have their heads rotate about 90 degrees from target. The eyes looking forward makes you ere on the side of head forward and therefor not over rotating the hips. Try to look forward. Let your shoulders turn your head no further than 90 degrees.

[@smileyboy2700]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf Okay so today I went out at the field and tried both ways. Eyes always trying to look forward while letting my shoulder rotate my head and eyes looking at the ground when coming into the middle. I saw better results with eyes trying to look forward mainly because I felt more control on my disc angles and power behind. Which means better accuracy. I got disc as far as 438 ft which is currently my max distance now. With eyes looking on the ground, my distance dropped to 398 ft regularly and my angle control dropped as well, including throwing discs sometimes way too up. Accuracy dropped, power dropped and angle control dropped. Basically I plan to stick to trying to look forward while letting my shoulders rotate my head 90 degrees, not more and not less because it proved to give me better results. I might need to do more analysis though and see what are bombers doing with their eyes unless this video already was made for that purpose of telling people to try to look forward because you may had looked at every pro that, maybe, throws far enough and tries to look forward. What do you think? Sorry for my message being too long.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@smileyboy2700 I formulated the video after watching pros. Glad for your success in your field work session. I think you found your answer.

[@rubberorr]

Then where do the eyes go on the throw? Do you follow the disc thru the pocket and then try and reacquire the target as you get to the snap?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

They can look up in the follow through. No need to reacquire the target for aiming purposes

[@rubberorr]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf the release point is what determines where the line will be so if we aren’t looking at the target, what is ensuring or giving us a higher potential to be on the target line consistently? As you can probably tell, I’m struggling with accuracy and consistency (started playing 8 weeks ago)

[@rubberorr]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf and by the way, love the videos. You definitely have the coaching mentality and talent. I feel like I have learned more from your tips than any other source so far and am grateful.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@rubberorr appreciate it dawg

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@rubberorr the backhand is tricky because you have to hit the target without looking at it. You can visualize it during your walk up, but ultimately once you get into your coil, you won’t see the target again until follow through.

[@josueestrada8688]

Quick question: do we physically coil the upper body as we plant or does the upper body coil as a result of the plant?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

The coil happens as the front leg strides forward.

[@isaiahcox9894]

When your shoulders turn your head back, do they turn your head enough that you can fully see the disc with your eyes? Or just enough that your peripheral vison can see the disc?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

Peripheral only. The head only turns about 90 degrees off of target. Most people turn it 180 degrees off

[@isaiahcox9894]

Ok, cool. I've had that question for a long time. Thank Y'all for answering!

[@perbarth5399]

Great videos , easy to understand for a beginner like my self. I have sent you an email regarding video lessons. I am ready to buy a few lessons to develop my game . Cheers from Sweden .

[@toryroberts1343]

If only the intro was "wheres your head at rooty" from basement jaxx

[@ChayseGrizzell]

Bro... I swear to God you're reading my mind with your most recent posts. wtf? I'd just written down this subject and key points a few days ago as something to suggest to you as a topic you may think about covering. strange.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

mind reading isn't the only way to accomplish this. Time travel and invisibility would also work for me to steal your ideas.

[@ChayseGrizzell]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf it’s honestly the only explanation. My work will be very upset to know you made it thru security.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

@@ChayseGrizzell They should be paying me to find the holes in security. Better me than a cyber terrorist

[@ChayseGrizzell]

@@OverthrowDiscGolf as I was sitting in front of my computer earlier I realized my rotating office chair and my desk actually make a great combo. Not only for work but for disc golf. You can see what it feels like to rotate and engage your hips by positioning for feet similar to your throw and driving your back knee forward. keep your in a good position on the table so you can feel your rotation naturally pull your “invisible work disc” into the pocket.

[@SuperMykro64]

1:48 bro, lmao. there's no way you don't like metal. that was to good of a parody.

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I've dabbled in my day

[@chrismalicoat8560]

I would love to get a couple of hours with you

[@LehmanRacingTeam]

Hey, McFly! I thought I told you never to come in here. Since you’re new here, I’m gonna cut you a break, today. So, why don’t you make like a tree and get outta here?

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

“Get out of here, kid? You got no future.”? I mean, I just don’t think I can take that kind of rejection

[@scarecrowii6063]

Dude I love ya,, this wasn't the most informative vid for me, but I can see how it helps..keep it up bro

[@OverthrowDiscGolf]

I respect it