DON'T Use Your Head to Throw Discs (The Domino effect of the Backhand shot)

[@lfe4514]

i think you had a video about this earlier somewhere , i must have forgot this lesson , since i'm a new player with only 2 years of experience of throwing , but managing to throw 420+ ft shots , with a long reachback i feel my head doesn't want to check the target instantly :D next lessons will be to avoid unneseccary reachback and keep the head still ! hopefully 500fts on summer! keep going jaani good reminders for us beginners !

[@lfe4514]

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[@dgspindoctor]

The head is moving sure, but you don't want to move it. You don't want to lock it in place either. Think about it: The disc travels all the way from the back of the tee pad far way in front of you, it's like almost two arms length in a very short period of time. How much does your nose travel in that same time? Maybe 4-5 inches, or 10 centimeters, if it follows the disc. You can't try to move it the same speed as the disc, but you can try and follow it with the eyes... not that you have time to register what you see. So my advice is this: don't try to follow the disc with the or the eyes.

[@lfe4514]

​@@dgspindoctor thx for all these tips , much appreciated !

[@maxray29]

I think a lot of the reason this happens is people thinking the disc golf shot is a throw rather than a swing. Looking at most other swinging activities (golf, baseball, tennis, etc.) the head stays 'over' the swing until after the point of impact/release for maximum control and power. We're not tossin' frisbees out here, we're slinging discs! Love the content, keep up the great work!

[@dgspindoctor]

Might be so. It's not playing catch, that is for sure!

[@NickCarroll]

I like the idea of thinking of the movement as a swing, and not merely a throw. A lot of people think about the arm only, myself included in the past, but the entire body is involved.

[@dgspindoctor]

It's pretty much like a horizontal golf swing, done with somewhat more relaxed arms.

[@warrenburns4998]

You have the best disc golf training videos available on the internet. Well done my friend

[@ContentsMayDiffer]

It’s me again, calling to say how much I appreciate your insights.

[@eliwirth1938]

Great video! I have the opposite problem, where I turn my head back early instead of letting my arm/shoulder push it back naturally

[@man0utoftime]

Same. I don't know how the pros whose form I've studied (i.e. Simon) keep their eyes down the fairway until the peak of the reachback.

[@dgspindoctor]

You can turn the eyes without turning the head. Hard but doable! You just have to let go of control. The target is there. The disc will leave your hand the right moment, but only if you let go of the need to control it.

[@eliwirth1938]

@@dgspindoctor Good point, I’ll have to give this a try

[@Js-rq9uj]

@@dgspindoctor the hardest part about throwing anyhzers for someone who throws a natural hyzer, is just letting it go. oh wait, that's why simon has elsa on his pd! I get it now haha.

[@davemansel6027]

Very cool! Thank you so much for the time and work you put in on these videos. I have been stuck in the low 800's for five years. I think your videos are going to change that!

[@dgspindoctor]

Hope so! And maybe next time you complain getting stuck in the low 800' distance. Things chance!

[@mikahallikainen]

Great video again. Thx Jaani

[@MadShifter20]

Never heard that skill set before. Thank you for the tip. Will practice this and see if I can break that 300 foot barrier.

[@lankstasdglife3973]

I can’t stop myself from bringing it around early, no clue what it’ll take to change that at this point but your drill is a great place to start. I just enjoy playing too much to take the time to drill this stuff out of my game.

[@dgspindoctor]

Most fun wins, right?

[@micdavey]

Another good one! I've been trying to work through this myself lately and I'll definitely be adding this drill into practice. Thanks again, Jaani!

[@dgspindoctor]

Has been my problem, for years and years... maybe 20 or so. But lately decided to fix it once and for all, and whattayaknow... my timing issues seem gone.

[@micdavey]

@@dgspindoctor That's fantastic, congrats!

[@datrucksdavea2080]

thanks again for another piece of the puzzel. But all the dominoes are the same size, but good point that the head is the last piece.

[@dgspindoctor]

The head moves in it's own pace. If you move it, you lose it.

[@datrucksdavea2080]

@@dgspindoctor I was just joking about the dominoes.. you said largest to smallest. but all the dominoes are the same size..literally a bit "persnickety" of me. The head drill will help with the crash timming releses were working towards. "If one doesn't know to which port one is sailing, no wind is favorable" Seneca Lookforward to trying this with my ball golf form also. Just trying to have a little fun and be engaged. TY

[@the-tee-less-traveled-discgolf]

I loved this course when I played it in colombia! Are you making your way through south america?

[@dgspindoctor]

It's a quirky one! I don't know what I'm doing, but traveling in South America for sime time, that is for sure! Loving it so far!

[@jasonphillips3817]

I do this in golf where I really focus on keeping my head still, looking at the ball until my body causes it to look forward naturally. Works great for the golf swing, so why not the disc golf swing!

[@dgspindoctor]

The same reason applies: to not rotate the upper body and go over the top.

[@CyberDarkZero]

The best thing to do with your head is nothing in the backhand drive. It flows with the upper body. If you put your feet and your body in the right position for a ___ shot, you don't need to look at the target once you go from X step to plant. Everything else gets worked out on its own. Most people don't trust their form/timing and "peek" their throw near the end and ruins the flow of the shot. If you want to see the gap or line you are trying to hit, that's what the forehand shot is for.

[@dgspindoctor]

Exactamente.

[@alexanderwaddell8650]

He's needs to step at the same time as he pushes his shoulder back plant then "swing" if you slow it down he starts to throw while his foot is in the air. Nice explanation the Domino effect 💪 when you get the order correct then and only then you can work on the timing of the entire sequence. If not you will never get anywhere. I found that out the hard way lol

[@cps102]

I like the idea of dominos falling in terms of backhand timing. Another way to think about keeping your head still is to imagine hitting a baseball or golf ball. Your eyes and head are looking down at the point of contact. And in disc golf, that point of contact would be when the disc rips out of your hand.

[@dgspindoctor]

I think out of hand might be too forward, to soon. Maybe check the power pocket only? Of course, what ever works, works.

[@cps102]

@@dgspindoctor That's true, I agree. It's just a swing thought that kept my head from spinning out.

[@dgspindoctor]

Feel versus real is thing! I mean, I used to look at my power pocket (hmmm... I should keep at it) and see the disc come to my right pec and sling out. Felt very good. And then I checked the video, and sure enough, the disc did not get to my right pec, not even close. But it felt like that, and the release was smooth yet powerful.

[@cps102]

@@dgspindoctor Video is so humbling sometimes 😂

[@dgspindoctor]

It is, but really the disc rarely goes to the right pec. Albert Tamm, Ezra Aderhold, Simon, Calvin... the disc releases alot earlier. Only Drew, GG and the young Schusterick tuck it in tightly. It's a good cue to tuck it in, but the disc may also launch earlier.

[@laynewest1711]

How do I submit a video and get a review?

[@dgspindoctor]

Try Instagram. I can't promise anything, but it's a start.

[@luftisbollen]

hi, i dont get my shoulder to rotate in the throw when i throw with the arm, any tip to get them in the throw without rotating them, they are at 90 degree at release and should be at 135 or more, the pros almost rotated 180 degree at release, why is, i got an idea wait till shoulder more than 90 and and then stretch the arm, whats your idee 🙂👍

[@dgspindoctor]

Sorry, I don't understand the question.

[@luftisbollen]

my shoulders are closed at release, and opens up after release, how do i get more shoulder turn in my throw, any idea

[@dgspindoctor]

You don't need it any more after the release. Just let go. The biggest arms like GG and Wiggins are closed at the point of release. Granted, they are not known for accuracy, but for distance only, you do not need to rotate more than that before the release.

[@jorituominen8393]

Look at slow motion videos of top pro disc golfers. Their head follows the disc from the power pocket to release. It is not coming after the throw. Small minority throws like this. Just my opinion.

[@dgspindoctor]

Good observation, and I know it. But here is the thing: if you try to move the head, you are going before the disc. This is the reason why you definitely DO NOT move the head at all, but let it move.

[@dgspindoctor]

And if you look at my throw, the head moves with the disc, too. But I am not moving it.