Overwatch 2 Has Nothing Left

[@xmikey69x54]

Tbh Overwatch killed itself with greed.

[@kevingame3198]

Yeah but if overwatch loses more and more players like what happened with concord blizzard may have no choice but shut down the game and cut there losses

[@Xport9]

@@kevingame3198 Wouldn't mind it, personally. I just hate seeing what they did to the game I used to love. Nothing of value to me will be lost, at this point, even with my Legacy account (been playing since beta) would be gone.

[@kevingame3198]

@@Xport9 marvel rivals is doing overwatch could not despite being lasting almost a decade old and Bobby kotick damaged all of blizzard but with Microsoft bought blizzard and Activision in 2024 but the damage has been done it’s too late now soon blizzard is gonna lose and lose more money like concord level but world of Warcraft is keeping the company afloat but we don’t know how much longer eventually Activision blizzard is gonna meet the same fate like Ubisoft because ubisoft is on the verge of bankruptcy and getting ready to go private or get bought out by tencent or netease

[@erjohn5404]

Just to please the woke community and the snowflakes. Bruh

[@gamerbeast3616]

Overwatch is not dead lol

[@jerlbays7412]

overwatch got really obsessed with trying to force people to play it correctly while marvel rivals is actually trying to cater how people naturally want to play

[@AszkalonOfVerra]

I love everything which hurts Blizzard. And i wish to mention here that i loved playing WoW for quite a good bunch of Years. This is what they get for showing Hostility towards Gamers like me. ❤❤

[@67tedward]

This was so true since the beginning. I started playing OW during the open beta (and quit after Brigitte got released) and it was so fun at first, then they started removing all the fun mechanics to push the OW league even tho the majority of players were casual and didn't give a shit about pro gameplay. Like for example they nerfed lucio to not have the huge healing range when the entire appeal of Lucio was that if you were a player who didn't like the classic support style where you just sit behind a tank babysitting your team, Lucio let you just go fuck off and go anywhere on the map while still supporting. But they removed this and made him less fun and less distinct. That's just one example but there's so many.

[@isturbo1984]

uh, marvel rivels also let players some headroom. as in they didnt try to beat politics over their head. theres also that.

[@nihouma11]

@isturbo1984 the IP is Marvel which is insanely political, far moreso than Overwatch ever was

[@isturbo1984]

@nihouma11 western marvel is, yes. this game, Rivals, made by NetEase, is not. factual. you can see it in the characters models. the proof is right there.

[@ffdgasfdasgjdfgf]

they call OW 2 a sequel but in truth it was just a downgrade for theyre monetization

[@Sgt_Turkigreyvi]

@@ffdgasfdasgjdfgf It was a shop update.

[@dudedellingham]

On release ow2 legit removed player levels, all players ow1 stats, loot boxes and consequently free skins through progression and a whole tank. And they added Kiriko. Sick fucking tradeoff

[@hunt7533]

@@dudedellingham That's so garbage lmao

[@gamerbeast3616]

Its a upgrade

[@ffdgasfdasgjdfgf]

@ 🤦🤦‍♂🤦‍♀

[@blackyonbi]

OW2 is legitimately the only sequel to have less content than its predecessor. Its not even a sequel to be honest it barely even moved the story forward.

[@leonsqueezy8691]

@@blackyonbi no there is another game that is actually worse in this case Counter strike 2 Valve even cut a lot of game modes and maps ...

[@mirius4665]

​@@leonsqueezy8691they are adding them back tho, arent they? They have to remake the maps since they changed the engine. Tbf tho they are very slow at that, so its fair people are angry

[@its_lucky2526]

fr. i want my maps and heroes back

[@Adventist1997]

​@@leonsqueezy8691 Did Counterstrike 2 make you alienate one friend you normally played cooperative with? Because that's what OW2 did with 5v5

[@johnsonspark171]

OWCS just kicked off and it has less viewers than the average NINJA stream. Game is deadass cooked

[@FloodisHorkos4212]

I still find it funny how TF2 outlived Overwatch twice

[@vampragon4386]

So did Paladins, interestingly enough

[@l______l6035]

@@vampragon4386 noone plays paladin

[@Bodbyify]

TF2 is filled with bots, there's multiple videos showing that.

[@FloodisHorkos4212]

@@Bodbyify Still outlived it both times, and the bot problem was fixed a while ago.

[@Bodbyify]

@FloodisHorkos4212 You can't outlive something that's not even dead yet. Yes, OW is in a very bad spot, right now, but to say that it's dead is ridiculous and shows your bias.

[@MidnightHedgehog365]

Arriving too late to a party where most the people are gone and there's just the mess left is the most accurate description of current day Overwatch that I've ever heard.

[@Evoke-Chaos]

basically every mmo ever

[@XJ9LoL]

That is how I feel with life.

[@XJ9LoL]

@@Evoke-Chaos Eh, not really mmos just because they are mmos tbh.

[@bantam8893]

Don't forget that when you eventually managed to grind to the new character, it got nerfed immediately

[@xxcridonxx7614]

@@bantam8893 yeah. They made the new character intentionally overpowered to encourage people to buy the battle pass to keep up with the meta. Then they would “finally listen” to the community later in the season or even the following season to nerf the hero. But by then, they added an entirely new overtuned pay to win hero

[@PureLovable]

Okay?

[@DeClayz]

​@@xxcridonxx7614 that's how games work.... new stuff is overpowered so it gets played a bunch and they get data on what is strong and what isn't and what is the playstyle and EVERYTHING that they need, if a characters is weak it's not as easy to tell what needs to be buffed or how it even works in the hands of the players. i've seen other games release something in a weak state and then it proceeds to get a massive buff... only for the buff to do nothing cause it didn't change anything. sure it works in the favor of having a it not be free by racking in money... but blizzard always released heroes as busted, before putting them in the battlepass and after they went back on having them in it. the three heroes new upon ow2s release, jq, kiri and sojourn were all wrecking havoc upon release if i recall, and even the latest one, hazard, was strong during a short trial they did, so he got a slight nerf and he released pretty decent, but due to being new, decent means strong cause no one knew how to play vs him. im all for hating on p2w but heroes being strong upon release has more reasons than just pure money making, hence the fact that they still release heroes in a strong state.

[@alantruong6966]

@@xxcridonxx7614 Lifeweaver illari ramattra were all weak on release

[@arinwia]

why u lying

[@kip_c]

ActiBlizz ending their contract with NetEase was basically like a nasty divorce where NetEase took the kids.

[@Xport9]

And ironically, they are returning to China, with NetEase yet again. Amazing.

[@sumerian88]

@@Xport9 That's a humiliation, for sure.

[@Xport9]

@@sumerian88 real.

[@nora-yc6fi]

Nasty divorce? When we got taken away from the abusive parent who manipulates and lies to us and got given to the parent that actually cares about us? Well, IG for them it's nasty

[@ikhalid1418]

i honestly believe that even if Marvel Rivals were to shut down today, OW2 would still be in decline. 20$ skins, fomo bs, detached win-rate & pick-rate based balancing, role queue that has plauged queue times, awful map designs (gameplay wise) with chokepoints up the ass, 5v-fucking-5, canceled pve, casual scene is dead, no more cinematics that got a lot of us into the game, a basically dead lore, and much more. i remember being hooked because of "dragons" and "alive", getting hyped over Doomfist's origin story, to getting emotional over "honor and glory". now we have a game that feels it's being balanced by salarymen going through the motions. i still enjoy online multiplayer games like MR, DBD, fortnite, etc; but i genuinely loved overwatch.

[@verguco6051]

overwatch was already in decline, but there was no real competiton, im impressed how fast and how hard marvel rivals is destroying overwatch, marvel rivals indeed hurt overwatch

[@addanashraf]

Marvel rivals skins cost the same and the balancing is unarguably worse game is fun tho

[@verguco6051]

@ 5v5s fucking sucks even if is more "balanced" which is impossible, 5vs5 have no fix, forcing ow to be "balanced" is what killed it

[@ikhalid1418]

@verguco6051 it also puts 100% of the tank's responsibilities on one player. meanwhile, the other two roles have 2 player's each to share their respective roles responsibilities.

[@verguco6051]

@@ikhalid1418 it makes the whole game be about healing the tank

[@bluebowser3347]

What nobody seems to mention is that during the move to Overwatch 2 they basically stole everyone's in-game currency. I had THOUSANDS of dollars of premium currency on my Overwatch 1 account, but when the accounts got transferred to Overwatch 2 my thousands of dollars were WIPED. They effectively STOLE from their playerbase to force them to buy more premium currency in the future. They claimed the move to Overwatch 2 was to give people PVE and instead they took away everyone's premium currency, loot boxes and the 6v6 format. When the reason itself didn't justify the removal of content already, but then they just chose not to deliver on the reason anyway it was genuinely so ridiculous. The day they stole my premium currency I hated them. I played their game, but I still hated the devs. The moment Marvel Rivals came out I moved and now I'm happy playing a game I love and hope Overwatch continues to decline so they cannot exploit anyone ever again.

[@JavelGibson]

@@bluebowser3347 I had 500+ loot boxes in ow1 so I was sad to see them go lol

[@ksxint]

@@bluebowser3347 I'm confused. They DID force open the loot boxes for you. XQC had his 1700 loot boxes open, supertf had his 4, i had like 20

[@michaparchas5394]

*"stole everyone's in-game currency "*It's simply not true. But I see that no one cares about facts

[@sfierro518]

This sounds like a really good lawsuit for someone to do against blizzard. Idk if it already exist.

[@polar6066]

​@@sfierro518 lawsuit cant be possible because what he said didnt happen at all. premium currency didnt even exist in ow1 it was only lootboxes- which nobody lost

[@Riverfall_]

Maybe the market is over-saturated... but Marvel rivals simply stated... doesn't matter if there is no space, if we make a good game, someone else will have to give up the seat.

[@berniechoy5482]

@@Riverfall_ they got non hero shooter players to join the hero shooter genre too

[@chikipichi5280]

Over-saturated how 💀. The only other hero shooter with a notable playerbase is Paladins.

[@SnickersPWNAGE]

Over-saturated with what? Paladins is light years behind OW. TF2 does’t have new heroes or maps each season. OW was the first multiplayer shooter to ever get Game of the year. They have (had*) no competition. Even if it’s bad you really have nowhere else to go. But it was time to show them. Since Jeff left everything went down (because he already knew they wanted to kill his game). As someone who played since the Beta I feel sad to see such great game go downhill because of greed and I am really glad they got what they deserved. Marvel started nothing. It has so much things in common with OW, even the map designs (which is totally normal). The game is a month old. For now they do what we want them to do when Blizzard did exactly the opposite. I don’t want to speak too soon but lets give Marvel some time and lets see their decisions in the upcoming months and years.

[@ItzJupiter]

The market for hero shooters is not over saturated at all. OW was enjoying a comfortable "monopoly" as it was basically the best hero shooter in the genre, company decisions aside. People were literally begging companies to make a hero shooter to beat OW so they wouldn't have to play OW and well, Marvel Rivals was created and it's no surprise that it's doing so well now

[@valkeditz31]

@@SnickersPWNAGE It’s always the “let’s see in a month/months” argument 🤡 When the first Rivals trailer came out, everyone said it was a cheap copy of Overwatch. When the actual game came out, people said watch when the game dies in a month. Well would you look at that, a month later and it now has more than half a million people playing it at release of Season 1, as well as reaching 10 million players in just 3 days after release and 20 million in 11 days. The devs have already shown to make good decisions. The game won’t die even if it’s been a damn year

[@kendrickvieraramos]

The pve dilemma is what alienated the overwatch audience and fans

[@mkwsoxfan]

100% they've always been 90% casual players and 10% competitive players, cancelling a mode that excited 90% of your players in an effort to keep forcing content that you think the last 10% will enjoy is a tired strategy and did not work

[@nihouma11]

Blizzard has had this problem since the Cata era of WoW. They make content for the competetive and non-casual crowd, and fail to make much content for the casual crowd, if at all. For a while Blizzard basically decided dungeons should always be sweaty go, go, go, go, doing raids on Raid Finder difficulty was a "mistake", and having fun was bad if it didn't involve high "skill expression"

[@jarihaukilahti]

I would never had played pve in any case -i dont like ow2 events and dont like them sicne whoever do them as quite dumb and the ai are dumber than 1999 years unreal tournament

[@Mexican00b]

the warcraft 3 killer was warcraft 3 itself the wow killer was wow itself the overwatch killer was overwatch itself blizzard following a pattern

[@hafirenggayuda]

Also Diablo. Probably not soon, but the patterns already there.

[@magoshyyem7436]

Warcraft 3 kill it self?

[@Mexican00b]

@ yea, refunded, remember?

[@BattousaiX333]

Starcraft 2 killed the franchise

[@EpicGamer-fl7fn]

@@hafirenggayuda Path Of Exile 2 is literally canibalising on Diablo 4's fresh corpse if you ask me. People mainly play through D4 once and then ditch it for good. So i guess it depends how you look at it.

[@CrazyFaceChico]

One part I disagree with is getting rid of “forgettable characters”. For you or even many a character may be “forgettable” but for someone it’s their favorite and reason for logging in. For that reason they can never delete a character. But, they definitely need to go back to the original formula. Loot boxes, 6v6 and cutdown on all the nerfs and attempts at perfect balance. Rivals’ motto of “if everyone is overpowered, nobody is”… makes the game chaotic but FUN!

[@AGZhark]

Eh. I mean, 6v6 is now in the game, and balancing characters isn’t bad. Saw someone in this comment section complaining about how Hazard isn’t good now due to his nerfs. I don’t think they played during the week or so during Season 13 where he was literally only in the game at that time for testing.

[@jhonatanalex6088]

Orisa and Mauga are just unfair. Zarya is also overpower

[@flappyflap2693]

favorite for plenty of reasons

[@JamieWoods00746]

@@AGZhark OW is 6v6 again?!!

[@AGZhark]

@@JamieWoods00746 It has a 6v6 mode. It’s not any good. No limits to what- or how many types of characters can be on one team. So there can be 3 tanks if you’d want. Not very good.

[@mfo6892]

They are saving their energy for Overwatch 3! Half the heroes, double the gaeh, TRIPLE the microtransactions!

[@Shadaharu5]

New 4v4, 2 new heroes, escort mode removed for a new sh*tty gamemode and a new kiriko skin pack for 80 bucks, def worth waiting the next 3 years with no content. Amazing!

[@polar6066]

why is gay an issue

[@KingBLUCK]

​@@polar6066I think they mistyped game, as "gay" in that context doesn't really make any sense

[@FatBabyPugs1]

Your comment isn't accurate one bit. You forgot to mention quadruple the Kiriko skins specifically.

[@johanesbpermadi2016]

and let's not forget it'll be a AAAA $100 entry price for regular edition. Also half of the amount of maps as well

[@Hardystone-t2y]

It's crazy how Marvel Rivals took a saturated genre, said F it It's not going to succeed and then succeed, It broke the Insomniac spider man curse

[@Kotasake]

Saturated how?

[@pikool]

It's crazy people still consider hero shooters a "saturated genre" because it isn't, the only thing close to a competition OW could have is Paladins (a game with a brutally reduced budget because it parent company has all of their hopes placed in SMITE 2) and TF2 (an 18 Year old game that is almost abandoned) People tend to think OW is competing against Apex Legends, Rainbow 6 and Valorant, but the only thing those 3 share with OW are the FPS camera and that each has a class system. Apex Legends is a Battle Royale (wanna hear about a saturated genre?) and its competition are Fortnite and its three different flavors of BR (Modern, 2018 and Reload), Warzone, PUBG, Free Fire, The Finals, Fall Guys, Naraka Bladepoint, H1Z1, CRSD, Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodhunt, Ring of Elysium, Farlight 84, etc... Valorant and Rainbow Six Siege are Tactical shooters, their rival is CS2. Personally I couldn't be happier for the existence of Marvel Rivals, not only now the OW team has to lock in, i am also a marvel fan and i have always dreamed with a game like this.

[@Kotasake]

@@pikool exactly my dude. If anything its a niche genre

[@kira-dk2mx]

The battle royale genre is oversaturated. The hero shooter genre was pretty much dominated by Overwatch. It never had any serious competition aside from the age old TF2. Maybe Smite, but I'm not too certain about that. Marvel Rivals is the first real threat to Overwatch in years (aside from Blizzard themselves). Actually, Blizzard has done more to damage the game before Rivals even entered the picture.

[@SAN_FranXx]

Who said it wasn’t going to succeed? It’s Marvel

[@extramentos6448]

6v6 is the only way the game can be even remotely good enough to still play

[@KingCrimson-420]

good thing they added 6v6 back its the only way i enjoy it now

[@Jumpingbadger913]

6v6 made overwatch more special than every other competitive shooter game which all seemed to pray to the almighty 5v5 format

[@RatziFatzi]

na for me 6v6 dinnt make fun at all

[@AGZhark]

How so? Genuinely wondering. Maybe if they added hero limits, sure.

[@Chihiro-Kikuchi]

Problem is the character nerfs are what ruined ow2. The latest sombra “fix” is what made me quick

[@vividdaydream1516]

3:54 "A lot of heroes play the same as before" *only applies to the gunplay-focused DPS heroes.* The rest of the roster plays NOTHING like how they used to, which is the real reason why Overwatch has declined in popularity so hard. The OW1 devs were so bad at balancing that they basically optimized the fun out of their own game. The vast majority of tank, support, and "supportive dps" players lost interest in playing after experiencing some variation of _"after my favorite character(s) got murdered in the patch notes, they stopped being fun to play;"_ and subsequently quit the game LONG before OW2 came out.

[@peiithos]

i mean they honestly still continue to optimize the own fun out of their game. those 3 categories you mentioned still get their heroes, or did get their heroes, maimed through patch notes. like honestly i really used to enjoy mercy but now shes just.. fine. to me in OW2 because of how they changed her movement. it became a lot less engaging to execute and learn. its more versatile but it feels so boring, like the fun part of mercy is her movement, and they butchered it. i was playing the game less and less because im not really a gamer who plays pvp games, overwatch was the only one i played until MR, and they were making every character i liked sleep inducing levels of boring or completely different.

[@zheta42]

this

[@stevencavanagh7990]

Players won't come back, to Overwatch, Even if Rivals falls off players have seen how good they could have it,

[@BondisBourne78]

@stevencavanagh7990 I still play both personally. Marvel Rivals is a fun and great game but having to play against undisclosed bots in quick play ruins my fun and makes it harder to practice new heroes against human players.

[@fenor1862]

W king in yellow pfp

[@savory_]

OW2 also bothered me because I had SO MUCH currency saved up for skins like 200k, probably enough to buy everything but I just hadn't gone through and done it yet. I didn't realize I'd lose out on that and missed the launch by a week. So frustrating having to buy skins I could have got for free just a few days before.

[@gypsylips1950]

what do you gain by stacking up an insane amount of currency and denying yourself the fun of playing with those skins....? you literally did this to yourself buddy. There was no reason or incentive for you to do what you did

[@savory_]

@gypsylips1950 I had all the skins I liked and bought new ones as they came out. I just was less active the week OW2 launched so I missed out on the window to buy everything, but that shouldn't have even happened. Its dumb they made that currency not matter for content that it previously could buy.

[@SHUTENSEPC]

OW2 have 2 options: 1) Bring back 6v6 permanently and in comp. 2) Slowly lose players and die.

[@bennettstokes195]

@@SHUTENSEPC the problem is queues times… they need min 1 max 3 to work if they want to move to 6v6 or people won’t play… but they also have to balance that which is near impossible to do. Tanks not being raid bosses I find particularly difficult to imagine going over well

[@cococock2418]

6v6 isn't changing anything, game is just terrible. yall whined for years for 5v5, got it, and still whining,.

[@Void619]

@@cococock2418 Literally nobody asked for 5v5. They just did it and every pro player or streamer said that it's a bad move and it's going to ruin the game. Guess what, game is dying. MR does what people wanted for years.

[@joshmartinez7004]

Not possible. Queue times was their main reason for 5v5, and now that they’ve lost a significant portion of their player base then queue times will be much worse in a 6v6 format than they used to be in OW1. The game will die.

[@Void619]

@@joshmartinez7004 They said that queue times was the reason, but a dev said it an interview that queue times were in fact not the reason and just a side effect. That being said, queue times aren't even better, tank still sucks to play. They would have less problems making tanks fun to play in 6v6 and thus reducing queue times, than trying to make 5v5 work. Let's they we'd have long queue times. I'd rather wait 10min for a fun and engaging game than wait 3min for a hard stomp, ending the game in a few minutes. That's literally what my last games I did play OW have been, only stomps, no fair games, and in case you ask, I did even win most of those games and it wasn't remotely fun.

[@Adventist1997]

When Jeff left, so did the sole of OW. Now we have Jeff The Shark to take up the mantle

[@Firefly.22]

And now that we Know he is the cauze of half the problem Ow had Yeah sad-...

[@BotF800]

ykow, theres a roblox game called "phighting" that is actually better than overwatch.

[@kaiser569]

Based Phighting! enjoyer

[@henrydoesstuff4260]

fr

[@ginscorpio621]

To be fair, OW had it coming with the way they were treating their player base prior to Marvel Rivals. With no competitor, they thought they can treat their players as bad as they like with no consequences. They made it easy to leave tbh.

[@ronin4303]

Last game I played on OW we had a 5 stack and playing another stack. And half way into the game both rein players were messaging each other and decided to leave and go play rivals. The whole team and ours just left…in a comp game at Diamond 😂😂😂

[@masterofthecontinuum]

Thanos saw that Overwatch made a "sequel" that was actually just Overwatch 0.9. So he picked up his infinity gauntlet and said, "Fine, I'll do it myself."

[@dellpickle4627]

Meanwhile Team Fortress 2 is sitting in the corner, still going strong after almost a decade:

[@donk6751]

Hell yeah

[@donk6751]

As fun as rivals is, TF2 is somehow the only shooter game that can get a good laugh out of me and leave me satisfied even if I totally lost a game.

[@zheta42]

I played 2000 hours of TF2, but it's so tired at this point. Don't forget it/Valve invented lootboxes, microtransactions, and FOMO.

[@finch600]

Almost 2 decades actually. Fuck, I'm getting old.

[@gerardol3449]

tf2 fans will see ANY video that DOESN'T even talk about tf2, and be like: "yes but actually did you know tf2 is better" like what's this desperation for attention 😭 we get it bro, you play tf2

[@Ohkemos]

Well when a game loses its entire original dev team, constantly releases overpriced pixels, then creates a second game where they actually take more things away, than they add…. I’m not surprised by this outcome. I’ve played OW since beta, and I deleted it about a month ago now. OW was my favorite game and I will miss it a lot.

[@Аноним-д3я]

People playing overwatch right now are the same people was playing it years ago. They just got used to. Because of that overwatch online is not so bad, but obviously no more fresh players gonna join overwatch with negative reviews and everybody on KZbin calling it dead game. You can't just add 500 anime skins on Kiriko to make people want to play and buy microtransactions, Blizzard

[@Аноним-д3я]

Also Hazard design is abysmal. They really lacking good characters ideas at this point

[@gamerbeast3616]

​@@Аноним-д3яhazard design is good keep haiting

[@Cruxis_Angel]

@@Аноним-д3я I blame 5v5 mostly. Outside of JQ and Ram every new OW2 hero has had terrible design with bloated kits.

[@KingBLUCK]

​@@gamerbeast3616dude you are in every comment section of Marvel Rivals defending OW with your life, no matter how wrong you are. What are you, a dev? Aaron Keller, is that your alt?

[@Dag0suu]

@@KingBLUCKHe's trolling. It would be sad if he wasn't.

[@ymd24795]

apparently im the no one marvel rivals cannot replace ow2 simply

[@badfoody]

we needed the sequel, Hero Missions and Story Missions would have made it WORTH IT but no. we just got a Skin Shop with a Game

[@Dr.Mango24]

They didn’t leave OW1 up because they knew everyone would just play that.

[@Calaman228]

Moment they removed lootboxes and placed a price tag on those skins was a sign

[@jrodd13]

I find it funny how Blizzard, a company notorious for making brilliantly designed characters and worlds, struggles to make a PvP hero shooter, so planned to make a PvE of it, and then somehow couldn't even do that. Overwatch deserves better. It's my all time favorite game and I wish I could go back to when it was an actually good game.

[@patchesgaming9139]

They really gimped themselves with the massive gap between Overwatch and Overwatch 1.5... If they actually stuck to their promise of adding single player and actually added an adequate amount of content then maybe people would still be playing.

[@AlanakaBlackCat]

overwatch2 feels like lightning mcqueen from cars 3 is the best way i can describe ow2

[@theALTF4]

I guess rivals is the brazilian car that replaced him?

[@Schnell9390]

8:43 Imagine one day Blizzard decided to announce Overwatch without explaining anything and dropped tons of animations to complete the lore. Additionally, they decided to release an animated movie series.

[@dreamshotmedia]

Overwatch was being killed before rivals came out rivals just finished what Blizzard started by covering the casket 😂

[@obiwanshinobi87]

This is why you give the fans what they ask for... not what you THINK the fans want

[@ggalzero2912]

Overwatch 1 walk so that overwatch 2 can sit, overwatch 2 sit so that marvel rivals can travel through light speed

[@ApacheJay156]

Overwatch is full of ugly DEI characters, Rivals has 80's & 90's style comic book characters. Beautiful and cool never goes out of style, no matter how much activists wish it would. It's in our genes.

[@potato3457]

The hero shooter was and is TF2. Imagine if valve had one more janitor so that would get a single weapon and some balance changes once a year

[@HOURLYSNIPES]

Money and greed made the game tear itself open, no if ands or buts.

[@Mjgfvme]

You not lying about 2 being when the heartbreak became too much. I was already very very tired of OW and barely played, then they teased 2 for a million years just to fall so incredibly short. We all felt that kick in the balls

[@Trevan2412]

The reason lootboxes felt good in Overwatch was because the random loot wasn't exactly the point of them. The point of lootboxes in other games is to give you random skins and sometimes a tiny bit of currency, Overwatch did the opposite: The majority of skins I used, I got from currency dropped out of lootboxes. It was more of a "Buy or earn currency, get a chance at something cool along the way". Lootboxes being so abundant also made them feel less random, you rarely ever had "just one", which made progression feel more like a huge pile of loot than a gamblinc scheme. It averaged out each lootbox's value pretty quickly, and never took that long at all to target the one cosmetic you wanted, even if it was a legendary skin. I'm so sad that Overwatch was put under the same gambling regulations as other games, because they're the only ones who did it right. Now we have the battle pass, which *technically* abides by these regulations, but is much more aggressive to customers in practice.

[@VVVVV00]

Silvers vs plats, golds vs masters, diamonds vs top 500... The matchmaking is bad because they're barely any players left

[@Captain23rdGaming]

The only good thing that happened to OW2 was the amount of Goon came from it

[@Nathandrake567]

Something die inside me when they change doom to tank...

[@minilabyrinth]

Overwatch is still the superior hero shooter in the genre in terms of polished gameplay, way above any other game. Blizz is just TOO damn stingy and greedy for their own good. The Lunar New Years event just launched and no joke there are literally ZERO skins given out for doing events like they've always done, this time the only free item is a single voiceline. The event launched with a multitude of 25$ to 50$ skin packages as well as a new menu where an NPC "reveals" five random premium skins and a randomized discount for each one...I'd give blizz money if the prices were lower and if they gave out free stuff still but damn...

[@manoflead643]

OW's gameplay is a lot of the problem. It's a game designed to be a party game, a square peg, that they've then whacked with a hammer over and over until they can sort of press it into the circular esports hole. But the game isn't that. So in the process, a lot of heroes' fantasies have turned out to be too strong in organised competitive play and had to get stripped off. Rinse and repeat until nothing offends, and... Well, why would the majority of the playerbase play? They weren't playing OW to be a top 1% player. You can SEE all the people complaining about characters getting the fun nerfed out of them. They were playing it for the same reasons people play games like team fortress (which made the same mistake, ironically) and now, Rivals.

[@bluefrancis14]

Just wanted to add that Marvel characters are more popular than any characters from Blizzard

[@bloodred255]

Biggest problem with Marvel Rivals is if you want a competitive team comp. everyone wants to play their favorite heroes regardless of team comp.

[@DefMM123]

Hero shooters are definitely not an oversaturated market

[@Seoul_Soldier]

Apex Legends, Valorant, and Overwatch are enough to make it oversaturated. Because all of those games want to e literally the only game you play.

[@WhayYay]

@@Seoul_Soldier Those are 3 VERY different types of games, just because they're FPS and have characters with abilities doesn't mean they're competing for the same playerbase.

[@donk6751]

​@@WhayYay This is true. I wouldn't touch apex and valorant with a 39ft pole even if I enjoy marvel rivals and TF2.

[@nomehablespendeja]

@@donk6751 if you’re trash at Apex just say that💀

[@Rand35]

Blizzard stands no chance against the giga chad Marvel. All of us love and respect Marvel, Blizzard is just like Activision, they want money, these greedy idiots won’t stop.

[@Recon-WallBanger]

One of the main reasons why I stopped playing OverWatch 2 was not only the incredibly frustrating balance and gameplay but also the garbage Blizzard does to do it. But since Rivals came out I've uninstalled OW2 and BattleNet altogether and Rivals is the only game I've seen where Competitive is fun.

[@kevingame3198]

So your saying overwatch 2 need to die off like concord

[@Recon-WallBanger]

@@kevingame3198 Eh basically yeah.

[@kazileon1994]

I agree with your point the same issue I had when I was playing OW and stopped playing but then gave it one more chance when they announced OW2 but yeah they just made it worse after 6v6 is gone plus they always only keep tracer and widow as the only broken DPS characters which was shit never felt playing as dps was fun and had a hard time killing tanks or healers, game became stale for me and I stopped playing it within 3 months and now rivals feel more fun and I'm able to kill heroes without trying too hard and plus i love playing the marvel characters than the woke nonsense blizzard started pushing into their game but not focusing on balance or gameplay, the only issue i have with Rivals was a slight optimisation issue besides that game feels super smooth and I can keep being mesmerized by the female characters in the game and makes me feel addicted to keep playing the game

[@bashamd96]

Overwatch 2 is a bland game made by bland devs for a greedy company Rivals only has the greedy company

[@wall-ehasagun2723]

Idk. I have fun in overwatch2. Each to thier own ig

[@Аноним-д3я]

What do you call greedy? The game is free. Heroes are free. You only can buy skins and even tho there is many ways to get free credits.

[@Aazel]

@@Аноним-д3я Add the no time limit battlepass to that

[@bashamd96]

@Аноним-д3я I called Blizzard greedy not the game

[@dannyboi024]

@@Аноним-д3я overwatch is the same no?

[@bunster4322]

If they really want to Fix OW2, I'd say they should actually finish PVE in Secret, Do a MASSIVE do over, revert to 6v6, and Listen to the players more.

[@tsar062]

This would be the best thing for ow2 right now:

[@cheetahduck_]

8:35 not genius at all dude. Idk what the hell you’re smoking to think this lmao

[@Hating_Friends]

@@cheetahduck_ I agree. The last time they tried to rebrand they spent three years essentially doing nothing but a minor graphics update and making the store scummy, so if they were to even announce yet another pivot all the broken promises and the dissatisfaction would immediately flood in. Like the up hill battle they would have to fight would have people looking at this near franchise staple as needing a no man sky level come back

[@Drprophetius]

The sad truth is that the game is doing fine.

[@trilliamcosby]

Not true, it still has generic content creators and their miserable audience to remake the same video about it being dead once a week. Go play Rivals baldie.

[@BankingClan]

This guy must be dreaming about reloading cancellations

[@bobbywrtm]

Imagine if NetEase hires Jeff Kaplan and makes him as the head director for the PvE mode

[@Brokeninc]

I hope they do. That would be amazing.

[@nosimpson9760]

Jeff was ok to make Soldier 76 an homosexual. What the hell was he thinking? He scared most of its playerbase and basically saved Call of Duty.

[@strisselstudios3932]

No what the fuck? Jeff was part of the problem. Bobby Kotick wanted to hire more people so that they could have 2 teams, one to work on PVP and one to work on PVE. And Jeff turned it down, because he was too busy chasing the dream of finally releasing his incarnation of the unreleased "Titan". We might have gassed Jeff up when he was around, but hind sight is 20/20, and Jeff was a huge problem too.

[@ayla4682]

@@nosimpson9760 Half of the marvel rivals roster is already gay or bisexual, you just havent researched it

[@mirius4665]

​​@@ayla4682soldier i think was a sudden reveal. Basically pandering. I could be wrong. Most people dont like when something feels like pandering. With Marvel rivals tho, the character can be whatever you want since there are so many iterations of them.

[@Hamwan_n]

Why don't you guys talk about TF2?, it's much better than Overwatch or Marvel.

[@GameGuy137]

I can't lie, when I see a video like this and see absolutely no real new discussion to this whole discussion, it really makes me question your validity as a content creator, you seem to just be thriving off of negativity for views, which is clearly shown by your channel history (with all of your main biggest videos being on dead games), there's absolutely bare minimum research put into this, no real editing to make this entertaining (You're literally just sitting in front of a camera and sometimes gameplay happens) and it just feels like you're doing this to cash out, I don't like the state overwatch is in and haven't played it for years, but when you bring absolutely nothing to the table it really makes me question why you've made this video to begin with. Do better, Man.

[@ImJophis]

🙌

[@lordqwertythepyromancer3458]

You say that, but if that's what his channel is and all his biggest videos are of this kind, why would or should he ever stop

[@lordqwertythepyromancer3458]

Dunking on overwatch 2 is like eating popcorn and I ain't surprised so many are doing it with how awful things have gotten

[@F1_soap]

He literally does not care about u 😂

[@texascouchcoach256]

@@GameGuy137 chill out buddy, it’s fun to dunk on blizzard

[@cadgamer]

That's just cap, Marvel Rival has already surpassed Prime OW peak

[@jamessimon2002]

They cared more about sexuality than gameplay.

[@pocketinfinity6733]

"over confidence is a slow and insidious killer"

[@platinumspike9578]

I can’t wait for Rivals to go totally crazy and add an 8v8 mode, that would shatter the meta for the mode

[@geekedoutrn]

I still really enjoy overwatch and wonder how much more I would enjoy it if these things were improved upon

[@leopika7280]

instead of a promised story mode we got random ass colab skins that have no lore

[@deformedchad8616]

Marvel rivals fits the bill as tf2 made for fun not for greed

[@alifalfarras6522]

meanwhile paladins on corner of the room..

[@thrax-x]

@@alifalfarras6522 funny it’s the only game i’m playing rn. androxus is just too much fun

[@alifalfarras6522]

@@thrax-x 6k hours here..

[@maximus2463]

OW2???? More like OW 0.3 Theres a reason why sequels hace the number 2 behind , just look at Team fortress 2 . Took everything that worked from TFC and improved upon it , added more weapon variety , more refined characters , lore , gamemodes etc etc Overwatch kept shooting itself at its legs to try and stay afloat

[@jtknight21]

Overwatch is a game i played since launch and was my favorite game , and the golden days were IMO 2016-2019 or when GOATS composition came to be. It went down hill from there, i played and loved every second of it and after it in ow2 i just ended up leaving most games with no desire to play , and end up uninstalling . I also do not wanna try marvel rivals because im so attached to old ow that it cant give me that itch , but maybe iv gotten too old for games overall.

[@Kotasake]

You're never too old to game

[@jtknight21]

@ yeah but i dont have the drive to Game anymore maybe its the titles i choose , i come back from work OPEN Escape from tarkov get fked , and leave since i can’t put in the hrs in those kinda games , not to mention ALL the steam games i got and never touched and when i do its Like , 1h in NAH im Done and uniinstall

[@Kotasake]

@Jurajfavela sometimes it's the games you're wasting time on.

[@vitaleriof]

you have more love for overwatch than the devs themself, but don't let that prevent you from trying other games, you're jsut gonna make yourself feel worst, you can give marverl rivals a try, you don't have to keep palying if you don't end liking it,but on the chance you do enjoy the game, why gatekeep yourself from enjoying it further due to the love for a game that it'sno longer there

[@drbjr8223]

yeo brig was the first nail, OWL was the second.

[@huilharess3620]

L take, I won’t go deep on why most of the “good things” you mentioned about MR overwatch did back in the day, MR is NOT consumer friendly, prices are way higher than OW.

[@Majimba_Enjoyer]

I think Ow2 is still the more fun game if you only take the gameplay compared to rivals but i still stopped playing OW2 just to add another 1 to the "fuck you" value to blizzard

[@TheTrevler]

Id disagree with the more fun part. But that's me. Love the chaotic nature and unbalanced nature. Very enjoyable

[@Void619]

People play games because they are fun. Overwatch is dying because it's not fun. People wouldn't care about the shop if the game was still fun to play. They fucked up with 5v5, they fucked up with any balancing, they went back on literally everything they wanted to achieve.

[@nathancasey7712]

4:32 I've played OverWatch since season 4 and I've never even seen this

[@invisibl3.]

overwatch feels like an abusive partner who seemed nice at first and turned nasty out of no where… & now that you left you don’t want to go back because you’re too hurt

[@TheOJsimp]

6:23 this is also apex players 😂😂

[@anthonytheriault7401]

Overwatch died for being too LGBTqtia and empty promises

[@cluelessfull]

It's a fun free to play game.

[@supershotgun6921]

Marvel Rivals really is

[@spugelo359]

Overwatch: I'll game end TF2! (failed) Overwatch2: Fine, I'll game end myself! (failed) Rivals: I'll help you with that

[@arandomguy6067]

The only reason that Overwatch is still not being forgotten is because of the nsfw stuff. Even then I don't see much of that kind of art, recently.

[@John-Stark]

@@arandomguy6067 yeah because Rivals is getting into that part of the Internet now

[@johnrey7365]

Its over for OW2 when MRivals launch in Mobile

[@DukeFavre]

The BP in Rivals cost 5 bucks, it can be complete any time even if the season ends. It has free content. And we got a ton of activities to unlock stuff!!. IT'S FUN.

[@augustmoonradio]

10 bucks. Only season 0 was 5 bucks because it was half the amount of content due to it only being a month long.

[@RatziFatzi]

OW2 too

[@Unknown-ib9bl]

@@augustmoonradio still worth it though at the fact you dont have to rot in your chair on a time limit

[@RobotNinja28]

I started playing Overwatch in 2017 and quit in 2023. Just before I quit, every match I played it felt like the magic was dead, like I'm playing a husk of what once used to be great. Then they cancelled the promised PvE and I knew that if they cancel the sole reason for this sequel to even exist, there's nothing that could save this game. Congrats blizzard, you killed one of your most successful IP's, hope you're proud. They honestly deserve the shit storm they're in right now.

[@thorveim1174]

not forcing roles is great. because if no one in the team cares about winning, this allows for all possible team combination. but the moment a role is missing and at least ONE person wants to win, that person will likely switch to fill the missing role

[@crocoboi7936]

In my opinion the only way to bring overwatch hype back is if blizzard makes a good arcane level show

[@Dark_night_comes]

6v6 is good but I think it would take much more than that maybe they can bring battle royal in overwatch

[@silentseeker74]

Tbh I liked the old loot boxes better than battlepass as you used to be able to get them by just playing no paying required and could get anything in the game now you need to buy currency skins or the battle pass for things you want now

[@kevingame3198]

I'm waiting for overwatch 2 to meet the same fate as concord

[@kaczan3]

Concord never achieved anything, while OW2's Rule 34 will live on forever.

[@Manglet762]

It's too late for it to stoop as low as Concord did, nobody cared about it even on release and fell off within it's first week, probably not even that because there were what, a few 10s or 100s of players at BEST? Overwatch 2 despite all it's negative PR still goes over 30,000+ players every few days according to steamDB. It may eventually die, but not to the same extent as Concord, not even possible at this point.

[@ddsclasss]

i’ve had overwatch since 2017 and i love rivals so much more, it feels amazing to play a game like this where the devs genuinely want to make it fun for the players while also making money. who woulda thought you could do both!!

[@duypham-xo8uv]

I'm kinna hate when ppl keep said smt like "the developer does not understand player " or "Dev is lazy" stuff, Us dev all want to do cool stuff and on top of everything, we always are the one who develop most crazy idea in the background , yet, not gonna pass through the company, audit and quality assurance, producer, etc. eyes. It is the management, operator, the finance that prevent you player to get what you want.

[@DumaVadamee109]

Whoevers running the show is both blind, deaf, and doesnt learn from their historical mistakes; they got so used to not listening to us that for some reason they thought "hey you know what would gain people trust again and bring them back from rivals? Implementing one of the most requested robot characters not as a playable character, but as a monetization menu that rips off another games monetization tactic! Why? Because fuck you give me mon-eey."

[@Dr.Mango24]

I could play OW 1 completely sober and enjoy it. I CANNOT say the same for OW 2.

[@TigerKirby215]

The thing is that Overwatch killed its hope. You can cancel projects. You can make bad changes. But the moment it becomes obvious that the things people want no longer exist, then people won't try to hope anymore.

[@cyanpile7874]

In before all the extra salty Overwatch players. Oh wait..

[@GummyDinosaursify]

The Overwatch 2 players are angry at the game. It's rare to find anyone (that isn't being paid by Blizzard) defending it.

[@mkwsoxfan]

We're speaking too soon on MR. Sure its had a great launch, its several popular intellectual properties (from outside of gaming media) placed into a game. I think the numbers are currently skewed by casuals, and some non-gamers that will shock the doomers when they depart. Having some casual gamer friends and some super casual gamer friends they were immediately drawn to MR, but i know they don't/won't play enough to sustain the playerbase, and im sure others have friends like this. Marvel fans in general have alot to get excited about, but if you aren't a lore fanatic, or semi-hardcore gamer this type of game isn't going to hold your attention. Its the same thing that happened in OW, it was basically hardcore comp players, and super casuals who enjoyed the lore of a single hero. What MR does have in its favor is the plentiful cast of characters to add it, but eventually (just like overwatch) the new heroes are going to need new unique abilities, and those new abilities are going to diminish the fun for people who enjoyed the gameplay without those new abilities

[@Slisri]

I’m still gonna play it.

[@LemmeCheckMark]

1:Overwatch core gameplay is still better(after years albeit) 2: Of course the devs are listening, the game just came out. Complaining about OW after 8 years compared to a game that just came out. Blizzard cared at first. 3:I just dont like that the malice skin was added so quickly, especially on a T rated game.

[@LemmeCheckMark]

Its just a damn shame.

[@mattmadeofcarbon]

your idea is to have them to repeat the mistake they did for overwatch 2, to get rid of the 2 and delete characters that are forgetable is just deleting content. I think that would be worse for them. They should just finish the PVE, hell if they just stuck with it two years ago we'd probably have a pretty solid PVE by now.