Overwatch 2 Reddit Questions That Are Very Relatable

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[@MyCommentsRMaturelol]

WAIT IT'S 80 DAMAGE FROM SPLASH ALONE? that's almost as much as rein, but safely in the bleachers. BRO.

[@Real_MisterSir]

It's not 80 splash damage, people don't understand how it works. Basically Pharah rockets have 2 damage metrics. The direct, and the splash. Direct does 40 damage flat, and splash does a range of 24.6 - 80 damage, depending on how close to target the splash radius is. If you land a direct hit, you get 40 imapct damage, plus 80 splash damage. This totals 120 damage which is what Pharah has always done for a direct hit since OW1 launch. But the splash damage scales rapidly down, the further away from the center of the hit range the enemy is, so if they're barely within range of splash, you're not doing more than 24-30 damage to them. If they're very close to a direct hit, you may do 60-80 damage with splash -but this is only if you're just barely missing a direct. In fact her splash got nerfed in OW2 so she's worse now than ever before in terms of how much damage she pumps out through splash damage.

[@xIronwafflexx]

Her splash is way too strong, and way too large. They either have to nerf that, nerf her HP, or reduce her fire rate dramatically.

[@TealeafRogers]

The answer has always been to remove or drastically overhaul mercy damage boost

[@xIronwafflexx]

@@TealeafRogers Shhhhh! They will hear you. The Mercy mains will not take kindly to you suggesting anything that could sound like a nerf. Joking aside, beating Mercy into the ground and reworking her is the smart play over all, but even without a mercy, Pharah can be oppressive. That stated, Pharah her self needs to be tuned down a few notches.

[@lostxnxyou]

Tbh. Ive not lost to any pharamercy much. Mercy is a throw pick half the time rn.

[@aephos.overwatch]

@@lostxnxyou in comp I'm guessing? quickplay is a different story. Either a team wises up and swaps to hitscans, or almost nobody does and the phara/mercy both are uncontested the entire match with little to no D's. I rarely see the former in quickplay as a solo queuer, I'm having to sweat like crazy in a casual mode as sombra or bastion just to keep the pressure up enough on them. The second a team ignores flankers like this or dps are really popping off, mercy is no longer a throw pick as long as she boostbots them.

[@aephos.overwatch]

@@lostxnxyou I'm seeing phara/mercy in almost every QP game now lol. It's getting frustrating. You can only do so much when your team isn't. Not fun when you're the only hitscan on the entire team in this case, even worse when they won't swap and instead flame you for not having Champion level aim and line of sights. What's funny is they take quickplay seriously enough to flame, but not to swap. Had a Hanzo/Ball/Mercy/Brig team do exactly this against a Zarya/Phara/Mercy/Echo. Probably obvious how well that game went. Probably surprising how much I see this (a lot).

[@Kazokashi]

Saw the thumbnail and was like. "Yep this is relatable."

[@derunfassbarebielecki]

If a Pharah is good there is nothing you can do except hide and wait for her, so you have the first shot advantage. Usually once she lands the firs hit you have no chance.

[@heartcoma]

You literally have to hope theyre bad at positioning.

[@SuperLifestream]

Pharah is only good because sojourn and other hit scans aren't so strong now. It now IS a skill issue. It's the same as how a widow can be shit or take over a whole game

[@lilranz9024]

As a tank I feel that pharah at a low rank is not fun because nobody will take care of her noo one will switch hit scan and when my entire team are not hit scan, when I ask for them to switch they either switch or don’t but when they do the enemy usually gets rolled but i feel as i can’t do anything myself to kill pharah or get picks because my team just dies.

[@RevivuMeSenpai]

Her hitscan counters have a damage fall off so they cant do anything to her if shes too far. Her only counter is u switching to pharah yourself.

[@Shrimp4Gura]

Or Echo

[@mr.parker8014]

Gotta love characters that most of the cast can't fight back against. Overwatch balance philosophy dub 🙏

[@Real_MisterSir]

Ah yes so the Ashe that sits a mile away clicking heads and throwing dynamites at the frontline can be fought against. Or the Torb just spamming doritos down a choke while his turret keeps his backline safe from flankers. Or the Soldier who can just run around taking whatever off angle he pleases and run away if you try to pressure him, just to come back from another angle 5 seconds later like a stupid whack-a-mole game, or a Kiri who just TPs and Suzus and wall climbs out of any dumb situation she got herself into... List goes on. Pharah is just more visible because she actually stands out in the sky so she's more easy to single out as "a problem".

[@calebbrown1068]

@@Real_MisterSirthe fun thing about this is that I can like… kill Soldiers and Torbs and stuff as Brigitte. Pharah is just a Whip Shot practice dummy that also kills me.

[@mr.parker8014]

@@Real_MisterSir are you just trying to add more heroes to the point I was making? Your comment comes off as disagreement, but I'm not sure how

[@chibong7922]

@@Real_MisterSir what is bro cooking??

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@calebbrown1068 If they play like morons, sure. But no way under equal skill matchups would that ever be a thing, tho I get what you're saying. Same with Echo, Widow, etc. But at the end of the day the perception of "I can deal with them" vs "can I actually deal with them in reality?" is generally skewed heavily towards the perception part, rather than the reality part. And this is not just for Pharah, this is just a general human psychological phenomenon. Brig is perhaps the worst candidate to go up against Pharah so I won't judge your experience equal to others. When I play support I just go Ana and pressure her out of the sky fairly easily, heck even Zen with perma discord on her works wonders if you have any hitscan on your team or a Dva who isn't afraid to get a little intimate in the sky. Even Moira orbs plus succ can deny Pharah a lot of the engage angles outside of pure ranged spam.

[@catdaddie]

when im just vibin in qp and wanna play some mercy and see my dps pick pharah after i lock mercy, i will switch on principle alone. i will not contribute to this monster 😤

[@Mr_Sting]

💪💪

[@Real_MisterSir]

Thanks, makes life as Pharah easier. Mercy doesn't have the mobility to keep up most of the time

[@willruss]

Good job being weird and toxic to strangers who probably picked pharah to vibe with you. very noble

[@frankvoss3813]

thank you for your service

[@catdaddie]

@@willruss thank you :) jokes aside original comment is literally a joke unclench my friend. playing with a pharah who picks pharah expecting a pocket and then spams i need healing and thanks when they die isnt fun and id rather not start the round waiting to find out if thatll happen if i can avoid it happening in the first place! dw my dps gets their precious heals no matter who i am playing its gonna be okay!!!! the imaginary pharah doesnt need you defending their honor

[@mydnd5096]

I’m in plat/gold on console. Sombra makes an appearance in most games. Teammates rarely stick together or peel at this rank, so Moira or Kiriko are my go to’s to survive. Sombra is so easy to counter, as long as your dps are willing to turn around for .5 seconds to shoot her every once in a while. LoL It feels so good when you get teammates willing to peel for you. I can actually play my slow moving faves like Zen.

[@frankvoss3813]

the ult question is so funny to me because i recently was trying desperately to explain to an illari in my game how her ults were winning team fights even without getting kills. they still had massive value because of the way it would make teams scatter/back up, but they just didn't get it

[@gentlemankaiju1997]

In metal ranks team synergy isn't as vital since everyone is playing a different game. So I think a lot "counterpicks" are dependent on rank.

[@DonkeyWomb]

The funniest part about playing tank is when both of us are being Reinhart and are just swinging at each other

[@RaijinRain]

I remember standing around a corner, not even in the line of sight for Pharah, her rocket splash damage killing me 😭

[@claudiuspulcher2440]

...that's what splash damage means

[@Real_MisterSir]

Bro Pharah currently has the worst splash damage she's ever had since launch of OW1.... why are you crying about it now as if the concept of splash damage is new to you?

[@RaijinRain]

@@claudiuspulcher2440 ...Wow man Amazing.

[@RaijinRain]

@@Real_MisterSir Why do you care necessarily? I'm new to OW2. The damage is insane tho

[@Real_MisterSir]

@@RaijinRain I care because she already is a high risk hero in many regards, and the damage isn't instane unless you've already committed multiple mistakes to begin with. And most of all because Pharah has been fine for years, she has certain playstyles with strengths and weaknesses, and both playing her and playing against her teaches people a lot about the game's fundamentals. Her current damage is among the lowest it's ever been, relative to health pools. But if you don't contest her before she has the chance to get straight above you and spam you with rockets, at that point it's too late and the mistake is already being paid for. When you've (as I have) played this game since 2016, I don't want them to suddenly jump in and change a lot of hero fundamentals out of nowhere when/if it isn't needed. We've seen them do it in the past and it almost never ends well.

[@bad1boy34]

Best mentality for competitive is to realize it doesn't matter and the mode doesn't have any integrity. I went hard for a while trying to learn and struggling through nonstop hard games only to realize the game was constantly matching me, a player who has been hardstuck plat ever since overwatch 1, against high diamond players who were masters or gm in previous seasons... Don't even bother, the devs care more about giving high level players fast matches even if it means your plat ass has to get destroyed by masters players 5 games in a row.

[@itstuca4136]

i was a mid silver tank and they had me go 5 games back to back go against at least one plat role challanger and even a diamond role challanger who was my tank matchup

[@bad1boy34]

@@itstuca4136 bro for real like what does the matchmaker expect you to do as a silver tank against diamond? And what are these devs cooking with this dev blog about making tanks feel better but the whole time they're letting tanks go against higher ranked players frequently??? Yeah I can't wait for them to give small buffs to all the tanks so we can queue up and get dunked on by people two ranks above just as usual!

[@Bogdan-u5v]

as a plat gamer, I approve of this comment

[@TSGC16]

No this is cope.

[@bad1boy34]

@@TSGC16 you're welcome to feel that way but I'm not lying when I say im plat and going vs diamond or higher players constantly, im looking at their profiles when they are public and that's the ranks i see the most. I see plat public profiles LESS OFTEN than Diamond+. But again you are most welcome to believe what you want. Also you should know cope is for self-delusions. Saying comp is a bad mode is not a delusion. Saying I look at the profiles of people I play with and against and see a lot of diamonds, masters and the occasional gm is not a delusion. And finally, realizing I have shitty games constantly and understanding im the problem because im the lowest ranked player in the lobby by a lot is not cope XD.

[@Styxintheriver]

I'm a former support main and I can tell you at least half of the players who say they were too busy to heal were doing random dps trying to kill Reinhardt from across the choke while I'm actively dying next to them and they fully ignore me. I always peel for my healers to begin with and it sucks to peel to protect someone who won't heal you while you defend them

[@shadyknux]

And yet, we reduce Zen's projectile size back down but keep Pharah's projectile size.

[@inlandthempire.6932]

Gotta make sure the e daters have fun

[@aephos.overwatch]

To be fair, Phara is much harder to aim with than Zen, who can easily spam any chokepoint from like 100m away.

[@ineedaname5928]

@@aephos.overwatchI’ve seen some Pharah’s do the same tbf lmao. Especially on maps like colosseum.

[@shadyknux]

@@aephos.overwatch I'm gonna have to disagree with you. Pharah can spam chokes from safe distances and still get 80 damage on splash alone, forget Pharmercy. An undiscorded body shot is 42.5 damage. Which still needs to actually make direct contact with a target. WITH discord, it's 60. But targets are gonna move and you can't just safely target a discorded target with safe positioning, as a second later it drops and can't be reapplied to the same target for 7 second (which is longer than it sounds in practice.) Zen headshot is 96 without discord as a projectile based hero. So of Pharah decides to pick Zen, whether that be from a distance or in close range, Zen can't realistically fight back. It would be an *OK* match-up had they left Zen with the bigger projectile size (still heavily in Pharah's favor regardless). Zen by this standard has a harder time getting value as a projectile based hero than Pharah, who can get elims with the same amount of time to kill without as much accuracy required as Zen. Zen is practically only viable when he's able to sit pretty and spam chokes-- to which is kind of boring gameplay, where otherwise he could be a lot more fun when he's able to be played as a brawler or flanker. Which HP increases, Flank plays with Zen has gotten much harder to pull off.

[@theprometheu5]

Just destroy Pharah at this point and leave her in the dirt please. She’s probably the most unhealthy hero for the game and soooo obnoxious even if you win the matchup.

[@Thudd224]

29:50 I think that the dps passive is an all together good thing. However, I think that the amount of time it applies should scale to the damage dealt. So low damage spreads that plink off your hero should only apply for a fraction of the time of an explosion to the face. It would incentivize repeated hits to sustain the debuff.

[@plushdragonteddy]

i like that idea a lot! feels more fair and has more strategy to it than what we've got now

[@SleepingRightNow12]

as a mercy main, i also hate playing pharah mercy

[@Real_MisterSir]

As a Pharah main, I also hate playing Pharah Mercy

[@icantpronounce]

I remeber playing last point route 66 and being told to swap to zarya to counter dva and the laughed at me when I said I don't like that match up

[@Chazza-01]

Were you on attack or defence? If you were defence, then I'd see Zarya being super good (due to the only good highground being on the opposite side of where they push from so the only place Dva can fly to is where their team can't reach easily and Zarya can access the flank route too so she can contest that. So you charge yourself up, and you can easily run them down. On attack, it would be Dva favoured because they have control of the high ground, so you'd have to take the stairs up which might open your team up to a dive.

[@theoverallguy6186]

Just saying ana holds her own against doom. I play with my wife who's an ana main, and she eats dooms alive... I almost never have to peel for her as dps, if anything I look over and there's an anti'd doom 1 shot that's trying to LEAVE, shes spamming "No" voiceline at him and theres a pillow spray on the ground XD

[@digitalsega720]

I get told to switch of sigma all the time😂 when he’s literally a great tank. Low ranks don’t understand trades.

[@moxiefox2357]

I just played some mystery heros and for 3 games in a row it gave me Pharah....i also got POT all three times. I was laughing so hard.

[@slovnicurling9808]

Yup same few days ago. I don't play dps in role queue. I played Pharah like twice before. Got Pharah in mystery heroes as first hero. Didn't die once, we rolled the other team and got POTG. No wonder people like to play this hero.

[@prismriot4910]

@@slovnicurling9808I ignore Pharah POTGs on principle alone

[@ZeroKami86]

The community is becoming so much more toxic than it used to be, idc about balance or 5v5/6v6 as much as I care about the community turning into what it has become.

[@waverazor]

Are you talking about in the game?? I feel like most aren't toxic in the game cause of the change

[@MyCommentsRMaturelol]

I played her because of you. It was... dumb. No skill. I won constantly with just spamming. Mercy just makes it even crazier. This is the exact thing we don't want to see. It hurts tanks, it hurts the game, it hurts skill expression.

[@Shneisty]

7 games in a row of Pharah deadass. Ima see just how long it takes till she’s not in a game

[@thiefpotato2759]

That Ana vs Doom post is strange. I feel like thats a positioning issue cuz you are either getting punched with 0 energy (which shouldn't happen) or someones fueling doom's quick punches. So you are either too far away from your team and you are hitting doom during block or you are playing close enough to your team he gets energy from blocking consistently enough to dive you.

[@derunfassbarebielecki]

Fun glitch, you can spam the battlepass voicelines and everyone ingame will hear them

[@JuanRodriguez-rd9nd]

I relate to the switch roles guy. If I get asked to switch I always ask why. 90% of the time I get no response. The other 10% of the time they say I’m getting countered by their whole team… but that means they’re not countering you so you should be able to play for free :). Definitely open to switching but simply “you’re getting countered” instead of identifying what we need to do adjust in our gameplay that a switch could help in is not going to make me switch. Or anyone for that matter

[@steel5897]

I main Soldier when I DPS and the worst thing is that my team will then blame ME for every nanosecond the Mercy/Phara duo is alive during the match. Apparently I'm supposed to immeditately kill them both at all times, nevermind the fact that when they are good their positioning will avoid me and force me into unsafe positions, usually leading to the tank holding W in my face or god forbid their other DPS is a Sombra. I wish people also actually tried, EVEN when you have a good position, to focus on a mercy while getting rockets rained on you by the Pharah. Have fun with that. Too oppressive imo.

[@icantpronounce]

one of the highest value ults that never gets kills is baps windows half way through the cast the entire enemy team disappears and you can move the objective the entire los of the window

[@Unk1ndPr1nce]

As a tank, who do I play to counter or at least fight phara

[@LA-eq4mm]

dva

[@gregorymud1477]

Before buff mercy had 45 healing/second. After buff it's 55. Under dps passive it's 44. Basically, Mercy heals Pharah more than before even with dps passive

[@PatrioticWorm9]

Emongg having light mode Reddit is the scariest part of this video

[@MrDavezd]

Tru

[@lasagnaboy4075]

Maining junkrat has been a shit hell hole since season 9, and I HATE playing hitscan I'm bored and also I'm not good at point and click, my mains are mostly projectiles, when venture came out I really played them. But yay fucking phara exist, I hate playing hitscan and also I dont really want to learn hitscan, my rist hurts when I'm playing COD sim

[@sethescope]

I actually laughed so, so hard at the first thread's mention of a "Mercy healing buff." oh my sweet summer child, as a Mercy connoisseur, i can assure you that her healing is absolute garbage right now. Pharah Mercy can be annoying! you're not wrong! Pharah has some issues that need to be addressed, 1000%. but Mercy's healing ain't part of the reason why. Mercy can't heal through consistent pressure from the dps passive. the only way Pharah can consistently stay alive with just Mercy's healing is with good positioning and disengagement when necessary. Pharah is the problem, not Pharah Mercy in the way the redditor is implying. I see plenty of Pharahs get a lot of value or even dominate without a Mercy. also! hitscan doesn't counter Pharah. hitscan can challenge Pharah but that's not the same thing as countering imo. Sombra is a true Pharah/Pharah Mercy counter because Sombra can disable them and prevent them from making the plays they want to make.

[@engineergaming3830]

I agree with the hitscan point I see so many players swap to hitscans just to get dove and obliterated by me since they got literally nothing to avoid my shots with dx interesting that you bring up a sombra playing her into a pharah can be kinda dangerous cuz it's damn near impossible to escape the pharah once she notices you dx it's really funny to hack the mercy/pharah off the map tho it will prevent them for going for really deep pushes with the threat of one clips at any moment

[@sethescope]

​@@engineergaming3830 I mention sombra as a counter to Pharah/Pharahmercy because that's what I've heard from questron, known Sombra connoisseur, and also from my own experience as the Mercy. a good Sombra finds those timings and the positioning necessary to hack the Pharah and translocate out as needed. getting an elim on the Pharah or Mercy is great, don't get me wrong, that's very valuable, but preventing them from going in or distracting them can be just as valuable. putting Pharah on the ground in the middle of a brawl or grounding the Mercy when Pharah is about to ult can be what turns the fight just as easily as outright sending them back to spawn.

[@ducasse8473]

​@@sethescope ah yes, you see questron ain't your average Sombra player. And thing is, Sombra is a counter to basically any character that does 1 thing very well. And honestly I think mercy has and will always be part of the issue when it comes to balancing mid-long range dps. Like me as a genji or tracer player playing into a dog shit ashe/sojourn is one thing. But if you put a mercy pocket on that guy, the match difficulty suddenly sky rockets.

[@sethescope]

​​@@ducasse8473 well, yeah, as it should. that's the combined power of two enemies, not just one. two people should do more than just one. it may not feel fun but that's just how teamwork works. for example, you go to 1v1 the damage boosted soldier. well, sorry, that's not a 1v1. that's a 1v2. all things being equal, you should lose that. that's not a game balance problem. its not all that different than going up against a support line up where both supports directly do damage. it just looks different, but the overall effect is that you're taking more damage than if you were in a 5v4.

[@sethescope]

​@@ducasse8473 also, yeah you are right that questron isn't the average sombra player, but i think the point still applies. one of pharah's strengths is flight and the mobility that flight brings. sombra can interrupt or prevent that. to me that's a meaningful counter. any sombra can do that once they learn how. I'm not super highly ranked but i see that in my games and also in quick play games and it's pretty effective

[@jayjaygolden5123]

21:01 im.pretry sure you cant matrix a hook?

[@kenngermy9846]

Pharah main that's still stuck in silver 4 😂

[@canovanthecanman]

Okay. What about instead of the phara rockets having a fixed velocity, they start out pretty slow and are visually very clear and then speed up towards the target like a real rocket, giving squishies a chance to move.

[@kingocoffee6354]

NGL, the ana one is kind of on them. If Im ever playing against a proactive doom and feel like Im not getting any value / keep dying, switching to something with more independence or mobility makes the game 10x more fun.

[@chibong7922]

Nerf Pharah fr

[@davidcreevey9171]

The "team-based fps" has too many solo glory players in metal ranks

[@xExoticDreamerx]

As a pharah player who is(Was) my main dps, she is just unfun to play no matter what. When mercy's pocket was strong, she was annoying to play as because mercy would pocket you ( i did NOT want mercy pockets) and then the enemy team hates you. I play pharah with a mercy who hates mercy pockets so much the mercy actually doesnt even heal me at all (its happened) and i STILL get flamed for mercy pocket (Despite not even getting healed by her) and now mercy pocket isn't even that good in itself- pharah is just that damn good on her own. So now you get flamed for playing pharah even without a mercy lmao. At this point, I barely play her character at all. I never felt like she needed a buff to begin with after the booster changes where she can't be in the air as much. It's a weird change.

[@oopsydaizy]

I used to swap mercy when i saw a teammate go pharaoh on some sort of unspoken principle. But mercy is so bad now that i stick on her. People wanted her nerfed so badly and now she's only good with a few characters and besides me swapping mercy wont stop ppl from swapping mauga and orisa after losing one point.

[@fortnitehighlights6284]

as a mercy main who does zero damage almost every game i think it would be cool if the pistol healed your teamates giving me more incentive to pull it out lol

[@luscasuwu]

i can say for all mercy mains: we also hate pocketing a pharah, but the state of mercy right now is so shitfull that its impossible to otherwise win with that hero. rework mercy for the love of god :)

[@Real_MisterSir]

Something people need to realize is the difference between what feels impactful, and what IS impactful. Especially about Pharah's splash damage. It's not 80 splash damage, people don't understand how it works. Basically Pharah rockets have 2 damage metrics. The direct, and the splash. Direct does 40 damage flat, and splash does a range of 24.6 - 80 damage, depending on how close to target the splash radius is. If you land a direct hit, you get 40 imapct damage, plus 80 splash damage. This totals 120 damage which is what Pharah has always done for a direct hit since OW1 launch. But the splash damage scales rapidly down, the further away from the center of the hit range the enemy is, so if they're barely within range of splash, you're not doing more than 24-30 damage to them. If they're very close to a direct hit, you may do 60-80 damage with splash -but this is only if you're just barely missing a direct. In fact her splash got nerfed in OW2 so she's worse now than ever before in terms of how much damage she pumps out through splash damage.

[@spooked3782]

I eated a whole bottle of glue

[@SSADO-]

Bro I had more and more games on support where I have to switch to Bap and handle Pharah myself cause the dps are always close range characters and the tank is Rein.

[@storm___]

I would say dva vs zar isnt that bad but i always have teammates maxing her charge so i get melted so i think its cringe anytime im doing well on dva and someone swaps to zarya to counter me

[@thomaswestendorf9213]

Honest question. How do y'all deal with Zarya now? She feels outright unstoppable half the time I run into one. Most games it devolves into them running down main killing everything while I'm on DPS getting no value. What do you do?

[@ragingdemon1344]

Emmong says it best. Shoot the bubbles. Yeah, I know. Everyone tells you not to shoot them, thus giving space to Zarya. I play a lot of Zarya and believe, whenever I get 100 energy consistently in a match, I usually fall over because the opponents forced every bubble and I can't take space. Meanwhile, in matches where my bubbles aren't shot, I can get the space needed for me to either force the whole team back or just straight up kill them. It's situational, of course. But my friend, who mains Zarya since OW1 has always said: a dead fully charged Zarya is better for her enemies than a half energy Zarya going wild. But. Keep in mind: Secure the kill. If you commit on killing her, make sure you do it. Even if you go down with her. It’s a fair trade as a dps if you get the Zarya.

[@MrSweating]

All I gotta say is learn a hitscan I get it it stinks But if you annoy them enough they’ll switch off and you can go back As someone who’s been loving JunkRat / hanzo anytime I see phara mercy I go right to 76 or cass

[@Chronal-Rend]

I hate playing tank or support and having DPS players demands that you swap Even though they've been playing Hanzo or genji all match with minimal impact.

[@ragingdemon1344]

It boggles my mind how people don’t get value on Hanzo. He's a Junkrat with a less shittier spam.

[@Chronal-Rend]

@@ragingdemon1344 just the fact that some people try to force their DPS picks to "work" rather than swap to something to help the team. Like please help pressure this tank or help defend your Supports.

[@zacharywoodford8530]

Way easier to just ignore the pharmacy and go all in 3v5 on the ground.

[@lilranz9024]

Was a tank main switching to support

[@bonguly9245]

Its not the combo. Phara just simply ruins fun. A fighting jet with rockets against a german with a hammer is just not fair. And yes "just hit her" but the problem is that she just hover you from a position, where normally no one is + that her team is clearly also jumping me. So i can either shoot at rhe phara and die, or shoot at the tank and the 2 healers and die from the phara. The charakter just feels extremly unfair most of the time. Personally the ability of "freely flying" like echo and phara is just nothing for overwatch, specially when they have the damage imput like that.

[@theicygamerkid]

Is it bad that I'm a Pharah main? I started when OW2 came out, and I liked her just because she reminds me of Iron Man. Also, my gf who got me into the game and she played OW1, is a mercy main. I feel bad because we don't try to on purpose, it's just the two characters we like to play.

[@760ms3]

Not at all! I’m a ball main, and a lot of people hate me for it lol. But just play what you enjoy! I think ball is sooo fun to play other than dealing with cc

[@vanishhero964]

There’s nothing wrong with it. I play a lot of kiriko and people really hate me and my suzu

[@josephreynolds2401]

​@@vanishhero964 TP is the problem with Kiri anyways. Suzu talk is usually very uninformed.

[@josephreynolds2401]

Pharah is strong and fun. Mercy plays like butter and works great as a paired queue. "Community" can suck weiners or get good. Pharah is gonna get a bit of a nerf soon because she IS too strong. That isn't your fault and you shouldn't apologize for it.

[@vanishhero964]

@@josephreynolds2401 tp is a problem but I would understand if invul got removed from suzu if it got a burst heal buff in return

[@slugstory]

thank god i only play lucio and junkrat...... right...????

[@magantatelevision]

I main venture, and its so unfair that you need to get close, get 4 direct shot and use all your cooldown to kill pharah when pharah can kill me in 2 hits from 10km away

[@wasabebo8334]

just ignore her as venture

[@xIronwafflexx]

Venture mains should not be speaking about things that are annoying. No offense.

[@magantatelevision]

@xIronwafflexx I didn't say annoying, I said unfair. Fighting Venture is annoying, but Fighting pharah is unfair for a lot of hero

[@xIronwafflexx]

@@magantatelevision The same is true vs Venture. You can get quickly booped around and 4 shot before being able to finish them off, and they can just go underground and run away. It's like fighting a close range pharah that controls the fight. If you know you won't need your burrow to get out, you can burrow on open, do a lot of damage, then quickly follow up on a kill. I don't even have that much time on Venture, and I get great results, and I'm in no way a venture main or god tier player. She is just about as broken and unfair as pharah.

[@inlandthempire.6932]

Bro is upset they aren't as lovable as a video game character

[@cirno9349]

If a dva sees me I know on pharah I’m fast enough to get away every time her abilities have too much movement options

[@Real_MisterSir]

Just cus Dva players in general don't know how to play Dva. They think a 2head move like "boost into the Pharah" is good enough to counter her, because they used to be able to get away with it against bad Pharah players. Not anymore. I will say tho, this new Pharah change has made her much more accessible to bad players who would otherwise commit mistakes over and over with no escape options, so while she's more viable in higher ranks without a Mercy pocket now (which I appreciate), it sucks that these changes has also allowed braindead plays in lower ranks to not be as punishable as previously, so bad players are allowed to make bad plays with her and often get away with it.

[@liucanthewhitewolf1198]

Pharah is the type of character that should never be meta, easy to use and powerfull are 2 things that dont come together. Is the Irelia of this game and thats a really big problem.

[@icantpronounce]

ramatra ult you mean short nemesis form

[@Sevse-nh3fi]

You should do another reddit vid!

[@cooper23231]

Seeing a support complain about winning against a doom without help is exactly what is wring with the game right now. Go cry elsewhere, cause the main culprits won't care (dps players).

[@WolfRites]

5:30 holy heck, yes! That's exactly what it feels like. :|

[@Tatsu4242]

No brain, no aim, no skill required to play Pharah at all. I’m just glad people are realizing that she’s too strong now rather than later. Picking Pharah or mercy should IMMEDIATELY lock the ability to play the other.

[@Thudd224]

Hot take: If there were more characters that had cleanse, then kiriko wouldn't have to be a must pick.

[@ofrenic]

Oh yeah great idea. Two supports with cleanse sounds absolutely terrible....

[@shadyknux]

@@ofrenic Imagine. Zen Transcendence now cleanses

[@IntenseMuffin7]

Don’t cook ever again

[@emixuzumaki]

trying to make ramattra work is such a pain, the amount of times i had to pop nemesis form just to end up blocking most of the time, trying to close gaps and being forced to use nemesis form just to survive instead of making plays its just awfull.

[@mrosskne]

what was the rework?

[@asmod4n]

pharah needs a hp reduction to 175 and her damage halfed, or mercy needs to have her passive deactivated while in the air and her healing reduced by 50% when in the air.

[@rogue4340]

Somber (I need the emong heart on this one)

[@FearTrader7]

Yznsa has been dominating on Pharah long before any of those changes, and at the highest level. Pharah is the worst and has been forever.

[@willruss]

Mercy mains who don’t like pharah are just too lazy to follow a flyer they’d rather pretend buying a skin from blizzard was charity work and congratulate each other

[@icantpronounce]

not a mercy main but pocketing a pharah is so boring, even moreso than normal mercy

[@ofrenic]

Nah flying around in the air is boring. I don't want to be just connected to one person. I like bouncing around the team on mercy.

[@halolover6893]

Ever since I started playing dps, it seems like i pick one. And i have a lot of fun with it. But less than a month later. I see "OMG THEYRE BROKEN!" And it's getting annoying, lol While i agree, Pharah could use a nerf and still be very much playable. I can't help but feel very frustrated, lol I really love Pharahs new playstyle after the rework. I instantly clicked with it. I'm mostly a tank player. But when i was tired of being the punching bag both in the gameplay and in the chat. Playing Venture, Pharah, Cass, or Ashe was a good way to gain some confidence back you know? But Cass is meta now and takes no skill Pharah takes no skill People have been saying Venture takes no skill since they came out, and i don't really get why they think that Mini rant here, but does anyone else really like killing the mercy players while in the sky as Venture. I chase them around in the air like the little RATS THAT THEY ARE! Anyways, i just need some positive feedback for playing this freaking game, man. Im tired of being called dogshit regardless of how well I actually play.

[@Hana_747]

I loved season 9

[@BananaDude64]

somber

[@austinoswald8318]

Everyone hates pharmercy, but that's because they don't play Sombra XD Phara and mercy drop out of the sky when hacked.

[@meganek0597]

I dont want to play sombra, i want to play the character i want to play

[@aephos.overwatch]

True, but this only works if your team helps you with follow-up (rare), unless the phara and/or mercy are not good at the game.

[@aephos.overwatch]

@@meganek0597 then get your team to swap, all you'd need is at least one hitscan dps and one hitscan support/tank. Especially tank though, as it is their job to peel and maintain their backline and there's only one tank. So if you play tank you've no choice really, you've to swap or just accept your backline getting thanos snapped every engagement because of an uncontested power duo you could easily countre. Best case scenario, the phara/mercy swaps and you can swap back to your original pick. Just repeat anytime they try it again. You can do this on any role but if you're tank then you have to most of the time.

[@mr.parker8014]

I do get tired of the jokes about supports beating tanks in 1v1s, mainly when Emongg says it to a serious question. It's just not true so while I get it when he says it as a joke, maybe don't let that bleed into advice for support players getting dove. They're already frustrated and looking for legitimate advice

[@abudgie6909]

It's true though

[@funi_4_life161]

The truest otp, love pharmercy

[@timothychinye6008]

There are four heroes that will always cause issues for the game's balancing: Pharah, Widowmaker, Tracer and Sombra. And it's simple, they all have abilities which are just way too OP. Flight, One-shot, Teleportation, and Invisibility. These are all abilities have notoriously been seen as both cool and just way to OP. It's fine to give main characters these abilities, but there's an issue if you have 20 main characters all with OP abilities. Overwatch should just get rid of unbalanceable abilities like these. Immortality is another one, I don't mind it as much (I'm a support player, so I have bias) but it is one that many people complain about, not as much as the other four, but still a lot.

[@roderickstevn]

I have found a good counter to pharah mercy is to go bastion

[@tipititapititu]

It depends on the rank, a good phara will eat you the higher you climb : (. It is so stupid

[@engineergaming3830]

@@tipititapititu depends if your teammates help u tbh pharahs tend to focus on the easiest targets first and forget the other players and die to them hell I even had a game where I baited their hard carrying pharah to attack me for the entire game and she kept wasting all her abilities just to kill me dying in the process giving us a free win and I wasn't even in a group or used voice

[@xIronwafflexx]

@@engineergaming3830 So you played against a bad Pharah...

[@elchochos8948]

I think it is more of a team effort, you can either focus the pharah-mercy or dive the lone support. You can even mirror the pharah-mercy if you're good and your team is willing too swap mercy pocket

[@inlandthempire.6932]

Lol. Lmao even

[@HeyItsAmandaJ]

Yay early! This should be good lol

[@nobodys_fax1244]

you loose all the distance you get from dva boosters if junkerqueen knifes you

[@ltsReallyHim]

Since when has 30 kills become the benchmark for a good game