Owen Jones ​goes to​ Labour conference: 'There's been a peaceful revolution under Jeremy Corbyn'

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@trollcontent1034
@trollcontent1034 5 жыл бұрын
Well this didn’t age to well
@danksheev66
@danksheev66 5 ай бұрын
It's aged better now, lol.
@wel_r
@wel_r 2 ай бұрын
@@danksheev66 has it really?
@michaelgilday
@michaelgilday 7 жыл бұрын
I am 61 and remember the problems caused by the present model the Labour Party is promoting. The country was in a greater mess in the late 1960's and during the 1970's, due as a direct result of powerful greedy trade unions. If we nationalise trains, power, water and the rest, then the Government becomes the employer, so instead of localised strikes in the South East rail network they become national strikes. It was the outcome of these sort of Labour policies that led directly to them being in a political wilderness for 25 years. So, no Owen you will not win over older voters with these policies, you will allienate them. You got a fair result in the last election, but you did not win and as Alistair Campbel pointed in your recent interview, you won't win reverting back to 1960's politics. Like it or lump it Tony Blair changed the fortunes of the Labour Party and John Prescott brought in some interesting creative ideas. You may not like what they did, but they brought changes and gained power for Labour, which I doubt Corby will suceed in doing. You will end up disappointed as utopiean political idiological dreams fail.
@dragonfly6908
@dragonfly6908 7 жыл бұрын
michael gilday Len McCluskey leader of Unite earns more than £100,000 a year, he was also photographed in a very expensive hotel in Monte Carlo.
@aperson22222
@aperson22222 7 жыл бұрын
So this month Owen's a Corbynist. This feels a lot more like it's about personality and history. Rather short on substance, with a few notable exceptions.
@Danny-is5if
@Danny-is5if 7 жыл бұрын
As someone who wants a better Britain, I found this unbearable to watch.
@sithius99
@sithius99 7 жыл бұрын
I died of cringe at the start of this video. No idea how I am still typing this?
@christianmiller9980
@christianmiller9980 7 жыл бұрын
I hear you. And I vote Labour :-D
@TheBlack106
@TheBlack106 7 жыл бұрын
You went full Guardian in this video. Never go full Guardian!
@jamesjones2053
@jamesjones2053 7 жыл бұрын
Ed Black 😂😂😂
@PurushaDesa
@PurushaDesa 7 жыл бұрын
Vööl Grauniad?
@Randomaited
@Randomaited 7 жыл бұрын
He literally works for the Guardian, what did you expect?
@kathybramley5609
@kathybramley5609 7 жыл бұрын
Ed Black What do you actually mean? What are the features of "full Guardian"?
@DCI-Frank-Burnside
@DCI-Frank-Burnside 7 жыл бұрын
Full Guardian? Patronizing the dispossessed, agitating for radical left wing change, then panicking, backtracking and fleeing to the centre ground when that actually becomes a real possibility (see Polly Toynbee). All whilst trying to flog £300 cashmere jumpers to overpaid 22 year old advertising executives. That's about it.
@pauladams1814
@pauladams1814 7 жыл бұрын
For many reasons I'll be voting for Corbyn, for me one of the most important reasons is climate change. When we inevitably go fully sustainable and use geothermal, biomass, wave energy, tidal energy, solar and wind, cheap stable power will be the norm by ... 1: Using many renewable sources as listed above as even on a windless night the others are unaffected. 2: Using suitable energy storage like pumped water, liquid air, batteries and biomass etc. 3: Trading energy over large distances, across continents then eventually the globe. This would even out supply and demand. This is one application that capitalistic free market economics would be most helpful by quickly managing demand and supply.
@pauladams1814
@pauladams1814 7 жыл бұрын
BritishWarLord Like to think I learn something new every day but it's been a while since I was in the classroom. Renewable sources of energy benefit everyone apart from the fossil fuel Barons.
@teenoltae
@teenoltae 7 жыл бұрын
Does Jezza really subscribe to the anthropologic warming narrative? Or is he just capitulating to the dominant order? Look into Jeremy's brother Piers Corbyn. .
@russianbot6994
@russianbot6994 7 жыл бұрын
Don't vote Labour, and we will Get to a greener power sooner.
@naomicugini711
@naomicugini711 7 жыл бұрын
the dude and it will be only for the the rich.
@ltaylor9704
@ltaylor9704 7 жыл бұрын
How do you balance Corbyn's opposition to nuclear power which in the short term before renewable capacity can be increased will allow a significant decrease in greenhouse emissioms?
@mcdonaldpuddin
@mcdonaldpuddin 7 жыл бұрын
Owen Jones is like the world war two Italy of political journalists. Always changing sides! I haven't forgotten the days when Owen was calling for Britain to leave the EU and calling on Corbyn to resign. Stick to your guns mate!
@VladTheImpaler454
@VladTheImpaler454 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Owen needs to realise that opinions should never be allowed to change
@mcdonaldpuddin
@mcdonaldpuddin 7 жыл бұрын
There's changing your opinions then there's only supporting the side that's winning
@VladTheImpaler454
@VladTheImpaler454 7 жыл бұрын
Surely by that logic he would be a staunch Tory supporter by now
@VladTheImpaler454
@VladTheImpaler454 7 жыл бұрын
Well observed
@codswallop321
@codswallop321 7 жыл бұрын
And he gives him a hug at the end! Cheeky fucker!
@andrewwilkins7635
@andrewwilkins7635 7 жыл бұрын
I consider myself to the left but watching this video makes me want to vote Tory - and I've never voted Tory in my life.
@jontibloom
@jontibloom 6 жыл бұрын
Letter to our Leader. Dear The Hon. Jeremy Corbyn , As a fully paid up member of the Labour party I would like to know if it now official labour party policy to be Anti Semitic. We have all seem your brave stand in supporting the Palestinians by laying a wreath at the Palestinian freedom fighters murdered by Mossad during and after the Munich Olympic protest. but as yet we have no definitive direction on this matter. Pls confirm the party policy on this matter. Yours , Len & Ann East
@richiesquest3283
@richiesquest3283 5 жыл бұрын
The Labour party used to be a working class party they are now regarded by many as a ethnic party.
@benedictcase4290
@benedictcase4290 7 жыл бұрын
I am young and middle class and live in Jeremy Corbyns constituency so i should at least statistically be a labour supporter but for some reason i am really uncomfortable with some of labour voters/supporters mainly just the middle class north London socialist and that's why at least I think if labour wasn't so forceful and annoying with its supporters more people would vote for it and it could get into government.
@MylesHSG
@MylesHSG 7 жыл бұрын
This is not the Labour I joined 5 years ago. Over run now with some extremely unsavoury characters, and that's just the shadow cabinet. My Progress 100 club membership will hopefully help restore the Labour that won elections and transformed the country, not lose and election (against the worst Tory campaign in living memory) and act like they've won.
@ursamajor6546
@ursamajor6546 4 жыл бұрын
It's now 2020. This video is a bit like watching a happy family holiday video - knowing that they die in a car crash at the end of the holiday!
@markfisk2243
@markfisk2243 7 жыл бұрын
Let me exemplify the problem for you Jeremy: I am a left leaning liberal and I don't vote Lab or Con, however, if i were forced to choose it would be the Conservatives.... easily.
@ivohristov5240
@ivohristov5240 7 жыл бұрын
Well the basic truth is that because of the growing gap between the top rich and the rest people now voting all around the world against the establishment, which for them represents the few but not the many.Then we had the economic crisis which is far away from ending no matter what some people are saying , then we had Brexit which again was a vote against the establishment. Sadly people now is voting Against rather than For.And inevitably Labour are going to win the next elections not just because of what they are doing but because of the mess Tories has created in the last year.If I'm an adviser I should say , do not do any hard moves, put yourself as an opposition of the establishment and you will get the office
@andr3w277
@andr3w277 7 жыл бұрын
A prime example of when the loons take over the asylum
@isacmurdanhe9871
@isacmurdanhe9871 7 жыл бұрын
What a bunch of loses .
@Markmix123
@Markmix123 6 жыл бұрын
Aye, loses
@politicalphilosophy-thegre3053
@politicalphilosophy-thegre3053 7 жыл бұрын
Are the comments on this video being checked before being allowed to be posted? I have seen a few crop up and disappear, are there too many to allow? A bit disappointing since your earlier videos didn't have too many responses.
@ilikethingsfromjapan
@ilikethingsfromjapan 7 жыл бұрын
the looney left have some of the most dedicated sheep going, on a par with apple fans.
@THEremiXFACTOR
@THEremiXFACTOR 7 жыл бұрын
ilikethingsfromjapan good comparison. They'll all be dedicated apple users too
@petergracia7071
@petergracia7071 7 жыл бұрын
Oh shut up, loonies exist in both sides of the spectrums and in any religion. As a matter of fact look at ISIS followers.
@KennBurch
@KennBurch 6 жыл бұрын
Said the person who wouldn't vote for Labour under ANY leader it ever had.
@altrightbrexittrumpandbrit2870
@altrightbrexittrumpandbrit2870 7 жыл бұрын
Could you do a video on the rise of the far right in Germany recently ? With the AFD tripling their vote shares, and being the first far right party in Germany for the past 70 years, that has gained any MPs
@ken4975
@ken4975 7 жыл бұрын
Interested to know what the "new ways of campaigning" are. Most activists I have talked to (across the parties) seem to have a very narrow view of politics in general and a particular lack of understanding when it comes to basic principles.
@borisfarage7698
@borisfarage7698 7 жыл бұрын
Lots of people who lost the last election join in a room to pretend it didn't happen.
@jonathanhenly99
@jonathanhenly99 7 жыл бұрын
You just described the Tory conference in a nutshell
@borisfarage7698
@borisfarage7698 7 жыл бұрын
Jonathan Henly and yet there they are leading the country. With a little help from some even more racist old people from Northern Ireland. You must be clicking your heels at how much winning Labour are doing.
@ryandavis2775
@ryandavis2775 6 жыл бұрын
I don't really take political advice from someone called "Derp Derpington," thanks.
@TheMeliaMelody
@TheMeliaMelody 7 жыл бұрын
Anyone know if the girl at 2 mins has any social media
@shorelineboy
@shorelineboy 7 жыл бұрын
Hurrah a real Labour Party again. Vote labour. Well done Owen.
@paulmeredith6062
@paulmeredith6062 7 жыл бұрын
shorelineboy communist
@danemma3610
@danemma3610 7 жыл бұрын
Real Labour parties usually end up losing.
@OwenJonesTalks
@OwenJonesTalks 7 жыл бұрын
Well done to you!
@mousegeek
@mousegeek 7 жыл бұрын
By 'real' you must mean divided and deluded.
@worthalook4870
@worthalook4870 7 жыл бұрын
shorelineboy real labour? Undemocratic party more like
@andrewhubbard4044
@andrewhubbard4044 6 жыл бұрын
We need a FAR RIGHT party if imagration is not controlled BRITAIN is finished. VOTE UKIP
@lewismoore3047
@lewismoore3047 7 жыл бұрын
That clip at the beginning shows just how power can abuse politics/ politicians. I know Jeremy hasnt caused this himself to any large degree however the holding up of politicians as rock stars and celebrities is always the forerunner to how power gets abused. I would be ewually as disturbed (and shocked) if that was done to Theresa May aswell.
@199019852007
@199019852007 7 жыл бұрын
Moorio 5 the maybot has only one move the robot repeat
@THEremiXFACTOR
@THEremiXFACTOR 7 жыл бұрын
Tony Blair was the Messiah in 1997, and look how that turned out
@christianmiller9980
@christianmiller9980 7 жыл бұрын
I hear you. Focussing a movement around one person is always dangerous. Personally, I agree with Labour's policy positions by and large, but this does bother me. Young people seem prone to this ATM on the left and right sides of the spectrum.
@lewismoore3047
@lewismoore3047 7 жыл бұрын
Christian Miller Well said, and did you see the end of his speech at the conference? Where they put the flower ring on him and started singing The Red Flag? I mean you can be as left as left can be but that legit scared me, it was like he was a God.
@christianmiller9980
@christianmiller9980 7 жыл бұрын
Well his initials are JC. But yeah. Cult of the personality. Gives me the creeps.
@tomharris5169
@tomharris5169 7 жыл бұрын
How can you call this conference a success when brexit wasn't even discussed and anti-semitism once again went unaddressed
@Nuron666
@Nuron666 7 жыл бұрын
Labour should be renamed, The Self-destruction of United Kingdom party.
@Kergrist
@Kergrist 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks Owen, forget the haters, what you espouse needs to be the future. Keep going. Loved your book, everyone should read it. I think, generally, the UK suffers from 'not knowing', lack of knowledge. It's so heartening to see young people engaging, as an old guy, it puts a smile on my face, I feel hope.
@millwallholdings
@millwallholdings Жыл бұрын
Says a hater HE SURE HELPED THE CAUSE You ok hun ?
@ResoundGuy5
@ResoundGuy5 7 жыл бұрын
Sounds a bit all "Cult of Personality" to me...
@pauladams1814
@pauladams1814 7 жыл бұрын
Corbyn gave a brilliant speech and looked every Inch a leader.
@kennytaylor6187
@kennytaylor6187 6 жыл бұрын
All fuckin 4ft of him.......
@justinrumsby1017
@justinrumsby1017 7 жыл бұрын
Jeremy, I don't know how u do it. Walking on stage sharing it with these awful "hipster" type bands. This video makes me feel old so, how u universe passed that emotion. We're desparate for this change to happen. I can literally "feel" the squeeze and tightening negative energy in this country. These cruel, hard times are completely unnecessary. Austerity if a failure. It's always been a con.
@callummcdonald6794
@callummcdonald6794 7 жыл бұрын
this scares me that these people are close to power
@lsobrien
@lsobrien 7 жыл бұрын
Why, exactly?
@cormacjordan7173
@cormacjordan7173 7 жыл бұрын
Are you witnessing the catastrophe that the tories are wreaking on this country? That should scare you. Unless you're a bot or a sock-puppet, Callum.
@GJ-qt2kk
@GJ-qt2kk 7 жыл бұрын
Callum McDonald LMAO good. Be afraid
@beachlife2968
@beachlife2968 7 жыл бұрын
Reality is Labour wouldn't get enough votes in the next election, so would be a coalition of chaos. Corbyn will be in his 70s and going back to the 70s in policy. He would carry out his nationalised agenda to fulfil his dream and get rid of his pent-up anger of being sidelined for most of his political life. A very dangerous man. The kids that are backng him are the ones that are going to get burnt the most as they will be saddled with the debt he causes if he gets in power.. so good luck with that.
@lsobrien
@lsobrien 7 жыл бұрын
beach life How much cliché is it possible to pack into a single, short post? Thanks to beach life we now know: rather a lot.
@edmunddantes4579
@edmunddantes4579 7 жыл бұрын
It's incredible how these people aren't aware how they're being well and truly played. All part of the same broken system but they still insist it works. Incredible.
@pauladams1814
@pauladams1814 7 жыл бұрын
Housing safety standards have come into sharp focus since last week’s devastating fire in west London that left at least 79 people dead or presumed dead, and dozens more injured. Since 2015, Labour has put two pieces of legislation before Parliament to try and improve housing safety for council houses and privately rented properties. The Tories have blocked both. The fact many are landlords......
@yorkshireplumbing
@yorkshireplumbing 7 жыл бұрын
_Yeahhhh..._ remember that time you tried to get us all to kick him out of the party for that slimeball Owen Smith, the pharmaceutical industry lackey?
@scotty686
@scotty686 7 жыл бұрын
Even if I was a Corbynista (which I'm not), Owen's transparency is hilarious.
@Johnstick118
@Johnstick118 7 жыл бұрын
That's because Owen Jones just blindly wanted power for labour. He thought Smith would get labour into power, and that ANY form of labour would be better than Tory government. Yet anyone with half a working memory will think hmmm Blair... nah, I'm good ta, I'll vote Green. He thought Corbyn wasn't popular enough and that all the principles in the world are worth nothing when not in power. Owen is desperate for the Tory's to lose, not for the right Labour to win. As far as I'm concerned, he's a fucking coward. How long before he turns again, flip-floppery of the Theresa kind.
@andrewmakesthings
@andrewmakesthings 7 жыл бұрын
I don't remember that, considering Owen literally voted for Corbyn in the second leadership referendum and was incredibly critical of both of them. Could you point me in the direction of a tweet/ quote encouraging people to vote for Smith?
@yorkshireplumbing
@yorkshireplumbing 7 жыл бұрын
My memory is fine. It was a video he posted on here urging people to vote for Smith.
@robertho9526
@robertho9526 7 жыл бұрын
utopiaopera i like how owen really is critical of jeremy, he said he wasnt confident that corbyn would be able to unite the party or become prime minister, he later said he had been wrong. However, he never endorsed owen smith
@ab8893_
@ab8893_ 7 жыл бұрын
No such thing as a peaceful revolution
@smokemeakipperskipperillbe4853
@smokemeakipperskipperillbe4853 7 жыл бұрын
Free Helicopter rides for Commies
@ryandavis2775
@ryandavis2775 6 жыл бұрын
Gotta love the far-right LARPers in the comment section. It will be hard to afford helicopter rides with your benefits payments. Why don't you get out of mum's basement and try doing something productive?
@benrayment4398
@benrayment4398 7 жыл бұрын
I do like Jeremy Corbyn and his policy ideas. But when it comes to culture and education, I take a more conservative approach: I hate the fact that at school we no longer learn about British history (the good and the bad) and our culture such as our songs, poetry and quirky traditions. It is my opinion that to form a cohesive society, we need to promote our identity so that everyone can attach themselves to it. This 'nothingness' is what I see the Labour Party promote; and too the Liberal Democrats and the Conservatives, and I certainly don't want to vote UKIP. So I feel a little lost in voting for the Labour Party, unfortunately.
@bojkowski
@bojkowski 7 жыл бұрын
His lack of opposition to Brexit will always make Corbyn 'the lesser of'. To those of us who wanted to stay in the EU he will always be a massive disappointment.
@lewis1544
@lewis1544 7 жыл бұрын
Is another General Election imminent? I thought the next one was due for May 2022!
@gothamonline6084
@gothamonline6084 7 жыл бұрын
Welcome home, Owen. Missed you. Glad to have you back.
@hobbyable1
@hobbyable1 7 жыл бұрын
Quite extraordinary really. I left school (83) when Thatcherism was at its height and for so many years after it seemed like a socialist government was a distant prospect, resulting in the rise of Blair and the advent of centrist politics. Seems like austerity has been a game changer and now that it has affected the middle classes this is the closet we have been in my lifetime. Jez needs to realize one fundamental fact though, being in the EU will never allow a left wing government to build a society built on socialist principles.
@Bagg1e5
@Bagg1e5 7 жыл бұрын
labour lost!
@ryandavis2775
@ryandavis2775 6 жыл бұрын
So did the Tories!
@asdreww
@asdreww 7 жыл бұрын
It's interesting that the attendees mention a 'paradigm shift, transforming the country, changing the culture, new energy, re-engaging people in politics, shaping the nation agenda'.... Mention that they have more in common with UKIP than they'd care to admit & they'd freak out.
@pete1201
@pete1201 7 жыл бұрын
seriously Owen do you believe McDonnell's figures add up???? Joke shadow chancellor of all time.
@shabraizmahmood3094
@shabraizmahmood3094 7 жыл бұрын
pete1201 one of the best chancellor's and his policies on costing make sense. Before you question I am no corbynist but I have PhD in economics, so I understand where these figures have come and they make sense and would increase productivity decrease the skills shortage
@pete1201
@pete1201 7 жыл бұрын
You seriously think he can get that tax collected? Increases taxes beyond a certain level can sometimes means that you end up collecting less tax. I think he is being unrealistic, big business that do business on the internet will always get away with murder...also so easy to move from country to country...wonder why Ireland and Luxembourg are favourite sites for Head Offices....capital flight will always be a problem. Labour chancellors have tried in the past to, and I quote, "tax till the pips squeak"....and they have come undone and thrown the country into recession. As an economist you should know the lessons of 1976 when a labour chancellor had to go on his knees to the IMF......and they told him how to run the show, including cutting public spending....all I see is huge wage rises, high unemployment, even bigger public debt....seriously can you see the city buying O'Donnells junk bonds for nationalisation, let's bring PFI home...its all a big joke to me...but then I've lived throughthis country's darkest moments, including when everybody was on strike....have you?
@shabraizmahmood3094
@shabraizmahmood3094 7 жыл бұрын
pete1201 yeh I have seen, what the Tories have done and haven't got any physical credibility, they spend as much as they desire, people don't care but when labour wants to spend money for projects which will benefit out country, you all seem to be against him. Labour has a costed manifesto which take s certain risk factors on board. Look at the Tories no costed manifesto and they get away with reckless borrowing. Before you say they decrease the deficit, first they said they will get rid of it c9mpletely and now that target been pushed, they may have decrease the deficit at what cost? They have increase a substanional amount of debt of this country, To be honest you need to get the right balance of debt and deficit, you have to cut them evenly as one could have bigger impact on another, labour are credible, they have.plans for investment and to help our economy grow
@politicalphilosophy-thegre3053
@politicalphilosophy-thegre3053 7 жыл бұрын
Does anyone have info about how much Labour's membership has grown since the election? I heard it was 600,000 and has now grown to more than 800,000, at least according to the BBC and Reuters, anyone got more on this, ie with connections to Labour? I expect there must be some people reading this who would know.
@heathenscent
@heathenscent 7 жыл бұрын
There is nothing more satisfying that taking other peoples money and giving it to people you feel sorry for.
@Zenhumanist
@Zenhumanist 7 жыл бұрын
Does the woman at the start have the means to pay for all her kids? Have to ask cos if she doesn't then she's failed socialism.
@Andythrax
@Andythrax 7 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't everybody in full time work have the means to support a family?
@BENTWOONEZERO
@BENTWOONEZERO 7 жыл бұрын
If you only have the means to support 1 child have 1 child, dont have loads and expect the state to pay for them.
@BENTWOONEZERO
@BENTWOONEZERO 7 жыл бұрын
There was a report recently that over population is one of the major problems on the planet at the moment, we need to get people to have smaller families .
@Zenhumanist
@Zenhumanist 7 жыл бұрын
Andythrax. What Ben said.
@christianmiller9980
@christianmiller9980 7 жыл бұрын
I would like to explore your sense of ethics here and question your assumption someone can have perfect for-knowledge of their financial situation. Children are dependent or semi-dependent on their parents for 18 years or so situations can change. Say you have children, and lose a job or a spouse, or perhaps suffer an spinal injury at work which reduces your ability to support them. Would you blame that person for their lack of planning?
@revol148
@revol148 5 жыл бұрын
1:14 yeah mate and strangely the Labour party is as divided on BREXIT as the tories are.
@fernandocorderomartinez143
@fernandocorderomartinez143 7 жыл бұрын
Dear Mr Jones (dear Owen), I am writing to you with great sorrow after watching your twitter allocution on the Catalonian crisis. I've been following you since you came to notoriety in Spain, mostly as a result of your support to PODEMOS (for which, I confess, I voted in every election since 2015 -the PODEMOS movement first became a political party in late 2014) and I am proud and happy to say that I share most of your views on topics about which I hold sufficient knowledge as to be able to have an own-developed coherent view of. I am very disappointed in you not exactly because of your support to Catalonian right to self-determination but because of the "broad brush" kind of arguments you brought forward in the said allocution, which might be summarised as follows: a. self-determination is an absolute right of peoples. b. if individuals can divorce, regions/territories/peoples can secede. I am astounded by the lack of 'intelectual finesse' of this kind of argumentation, definitely unworthy of an Oxford graduate such as yourself, Mr Jones (Owen). Firstly, according to Resolution 2625 of the UN General Assembly (Oct. 24th 1970) the right to self-determination only applies to "peoples subjected to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation" or, in other words, colonies, for instance the former British ones. Catalonia, I believe you might agree with me in this, is no colony (but for multinationals' as is the rest of the world is). Indeed, Canada and the UK authorised under their own particular (codified and un-codified) constitutions referenda on self-determination of Quebec and Scotland respectively. That was their free choice or the result of an internal political struggle. However, the Spanish constitution in art. 2 states that Spain is the indivisible homeland of the Spanish people (no eccentricity here, France, Italy, Germany and even the American pledge of alligience have similar wordings). Moreover, art 1.2 consacrates that "national sovereignty belongs to the Spanish people". Consequently, there is no legal way, unless the constitution is previously ammended, to hold a referendum on self-determination of Catalonia, or any other region for that matter, without being in severe breach of the constitution. Secondly, are you seriously comparing secesion to divorce? I know that Bexit is usually equated to a divorce (a very acrimonious one as everyone can see) but I am sure you can spot the metaphore in the word 'divorce' and therefore the stupidity of the logical train of thought you are implying. (Peoples are composed of individual persons. Divorce is 'equal' to secesion. Persons can divorce ergo peoples can secede.) I consider this absolutely ludicrous and a kind of Farage-like simplification of reality. I know you have been a great supporter of Scottish self-determination but not of Scottish Independence, that is truly respectable. However, on my part, I do not want for my country and my people-including those living in Catalonia-, the kind of political instability that Cameron's decision brought and is likely to bring (holding a referendum every few years -not generations- until the YES carries it) to the UK for the decades to come. Nonetheless, I should be grateful to Mr Cameron for signalling the path to "not-solve" a political problem such as these Furthermore, Catalonia is a rich region (2nd richest and 25% over the Spanish average GDPpc) which pretty much explains all this fuss. The Catalan government pushed for a "tax deal" in 2012 (when the Independence movement was pretty much marginal in Catalan society) that would have significantly cut redistribution of wealth to other regions. When this request was refused by the national government, they fired up the people into this mess under the premise of "Spain is robbing us" and promising not having to pay any more money to poorer reagions such as Andalusia or Extremadura. Please, allow me, it is equivalent to inner London pushing for secesion because their "high" taxes are financing public services in the Durham area or in Wales. I do not know you that intimately, Mr Jones (owen), but I have the feeling that you would not agree with those n***** f******* rich t***** getting away with it, would you, Mr Jones (Owen)? I must really apologise that this message got really long but it is merely proportional to my disappointment. However, please, make a signal if you would like me to contact you in order to further clarify anything that might remain obscure to you about my reasoning. Best Fernando
@jeremycourt9596
@jeremycourt9596 7 жыл бұрын
Looks like the trolls are back, Tory Glastonbury must have finished! :-)
@kathybramley5609
@kathybramley5609 7 жыл бұрын
I hope there's policy influence moreover actually direct interface and transformation in useful services and informal democracy for the people not just commercial lobbyists etc. Though expectations must not be dashed, fall flat, go stale or overcook. We must not poison the keg. We need to make the best decisions at all levels. Actually deliver without much dropped. No nasty surprises. Some of this will involve hard choices and/or honesty. Or be slower to turn around or it could be faster than people think. Probably slower.
@kathybramley5609
@kathybramley5609 7 жыл бұрын
I'd like more then canvassing: but is patchworking community work a model for a party? Can it work, without overburdening or becoming claustrophobic? Or faked? I'd like to think that was actually possible. But I don't know. It's a big thing that's not been done before. And there are so many problems in the world. But we need to start on them.
@sytojufoclk
@sytojufoclk 7 жыл бұрын
The London conference was a great success
@kw2142
@kw2142 7 жыл бұрын
Corbyn policies will be almost impossible to implement if we're out of single market
@Andythrax
@Andythrax 7 жыл бұрын
That may be true, we are going to think about if we can remain in it but withdraw from EU. Perhaps we can try and get a better deal; or maybe we can have just as much success with our policies as May would outside of the EU.
@leejohnson3209
@leejohnson3209 7 жыл бұрын
I hope Corbyn's Labour buck the global trend towards extreme politics, such as those of Trump and the Tories, by winning the next general election. We need a return to moderate, sensible politics.
@BENTWOONEZERO
@BENTWOONEZERO 7 жыл бұрын
I would not describe Corbyn as a moderate, he is a 70s throw back of the hard left variety.
@riikki___
@riikki___ 7 жыл бұрын
I really don't understand why so many neoliberals watch Owen Jones
@trevorcharlesmorgan
@trevorcharlesmorgan 7 жыл бұрын
Go on Owen, campaign to bring those policies that worked so well in Venezuela to the UK! Luckily for you you're able to make a good living and become a minor celebrity misleading the UK's youth without dealing with the pain and misery your policy agenda would cause to the poor and needy. Have fun at the Labour conference with your middle class Labour admirers and try not to get too close to any of those unpleasant genuine working class people who may very rudely think you're full of it.
@theconquerorx9676
@theconquerorx9676 7 жыл бұрын
Let's bring the country forward, not back to the 1950's.
@PeterFlanagan0987
@PeterFlanagan0987 5 жыл бұрын
The SociologistGamer you’re right instead let’s bring it to the 1970s
@shacklock01
@shacklock01 7 жыл бұрын
Damn that episode of qtime was two years ago?
@GarethWareth
@GarethWareth 7 жыл бұрын
I love Jeremy. This is our party again now.
@NagleOliver
@NagleOliver 7 жыл бұрын
If labour wants to win the next election they must push through votes for sixteen year olds now whilst the Tories are weak in parliament so by the next election they can win.
@danemma3610
@danemma3610 7 жыл бұрын
But most people turn Tory as they get older, so yes you may gain more young voters but you'll lose other voters as they get older and turn to the right.
@awesomeavenger2810
@awesomeavenger2810 7 жыл бұрын
That's a politically sound theory. Corbyn can only win by giving children the vote. What could go wrong, right?
@NagleOliver
@NagleOliver 7 жыл бұрын
Awesome Avenger Firstly, their not children. Secondly, it's not even about Corbyn winning it's a matter of principal. If their old enough to pay tax, go to prison, get married, have sex or buy a house they should have a right to elect a government that gives them those freedoms and imposes those laws.
@danemma3610
@danemma3610 7 жыл бұрын
Owen, you are quite a divisive character so do you believe your support for Corbyn helps him or puts some people off?
@danielhutchinson7073
@danielhutchinson7073 7 жыл бұрын
The Westminster bots are out in force again in this comment section. The establishment is actually scared: We are gonna win this thing, people!
@danielhutchinson7073
@danielhutchinson7073 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah I more-or-less agree. Not with the 3rd world bit, but yeah, Britain's entitlement is doomed, the clock is ticking. Christ it's a fascinating time to be alive.
@fujiwuji891
@fujiwuji891 7 жыл бұрын
The result of a lack of control on immigration. We get odious men like this who wish death and suffering upon the rest of the citizens of the UK. Shame on you.
@deputyu.smarshalraylangibb4610
@deputyu.smarshalraylangibb4610 7 жыл бұрын
It will be interesting to see the reaction of these middleclass students rich musicians and champagne socialist like Russell Brand and Owen when Jeremy Corbyn starts redistributing their wealth LOL
@Andythrax
@Andythrax 7 жыл бұрын
Yeah it will be, luckily we don't have to wait too long to see. Very excited, as are they.
@sjewitt22
@sjewitt22 7 жыл бұрын
They's be way better people if they didn't think the poor needed more out of society. How dare they.
@MrYorickJenkins
@MrYorickJenkins 7 жыл бұрын
I think everybody should be obliged to publish their wealth and income tax online
@dragonfly6908
@dragonfly6908 7 жыл бұрын
vegangains DOG I would be interested to know if some of these so called "celebs" including Russell Brand, actually pay their tax or do they find a convenient little "tax loop hole".
@tomg268
@tomg268 7 жыл бұрын
I just finished a masters degree and i can assure you i don't have any wealth to redistribute. Agreed, Russell Brand's in for a nice hefty tax increase, which would be a good thing.
@Joshie_-oz9vz
@Joshie_-oz9vz 4 жыл бұрын
Lol didn’t turn out right well did it 😂
@petersz98
@petersz98 7 жыл бұрын
I wonder why the war criminal Tony BLiar was no where to be seen at the conference? Lol
@non-stoppol7702
@non-stoppol7702 7 жыл бұрын
We did a podcast analysing the Labour conference! Give it a listen ;)
@detroittechno6453
@detroittechno6453 7 жыл бұрын
Jones only went to Brighton to get fisted.
@benedictcase4290
@benedictcase4290 7 жыл бұрын
This labour conference video is very full guardian
@dragonjohn34
@dragonjohn34 7 жыл бұрын
People like Owen Jones make me vote Tory. Ruined the labour party
@spex357
@spex357 7 жыл бұрын
I couldn't vote Tory if you paid me, and neither could I vote for the wolfs in sheeps clothing, Momentum.
@bobrail733
@bobrail733 7 жыл бұрын
dragonjohn34 no Corbyn and Abbot done that ! Laurel and Hardy in black and white 😆😆😆
@christianmiller9980
@christianmiller9980 7 жыл бұрын
Why did he make you vote Tory as opposed to just not vote? Did you vote Tory just to keep Corbyn away from power?
@nipnipnip7508
@nipnipnip7508 7 жыл бұрын
dragonjohn34. Labour are the main reason to vote conservative.
@dragonjohn34
@dragonjohn34 7 жыл бұрын
Cuz JC is cancer too. It was a protest vote. I think most tories are nob heads too but I'd rather have them than a commi
@123brownjames
@123brownjames 7 жыл бұрын
I don't see many workers here. Only students and teachers and paid up activists.
@cameronjohnston3958
@cameronjohnston3958 7 жыл бұрын
Owen, please attend the Tory party conference with 10 bodyguards to see if it gets the same attention as Laura Kuenssbeg.
@LindaPow
@LindaPow 7 жыл бұрын
The Ket The Key is to Care about The People and not the government agenda
@LindaPow
@LindaPow 7 жыл бұрын
It's A Sure Start up Owen and wonderful that so many people are coming together....
@millwallholdings
@millwallholdings Жыл бұрын
Not so many How did the Election go for you and Jezza 😂😂
@Jay92925
@Jay92925 4 жыл бұрын
The word sycophant comes to mind
@Hobbitbot3000
@Hobbitbot3000 7 жыл бұрын
Hey ho we met at lancs pride I feel so silly for not recognising you though! Tbf cat remembered my trump joke so
@pauladams1814
@pauladams1814 7 жыл бұрын
Boris and diplomacy go together like Freddy Krueger and a nursery. Yet Res-Mog manages to make Boris look good by comparison.
@mickydub3
@mickydub3 7 жыл бұрын
OOHHH " JEREMY CORBYN " OOHHH " JEREMY CORBYN " you"ll need more than a song to get in power
@thomaspowell3739
@thomaspowell3739 5 жыл бұрын
🤗🤗lost 🤗🤗 👋🥳buh bye Owen, momentum/labour. You didn’t quite win in this election either. You where trashed 🥳🥳🥳🥳
@danbh84
@danbh84 5 жыл бұрын
Thomas Powell bye jeremy cooooorbyn!!
@thomaspowell3739
@thomaspowell3739 5 жыл бұрын
Dan World the end of pure evil 😈 leftys are now running 🏃‍♂️ for cover
@danbh84
@danbh84 5 жыл бұрын
Thomas Powell hope they stay there
@politicalphilosophy-thegre3053
@politicalphilosophy-thegre3053 7 жыл бұрын
Great video, hope that Corbyn is elected soon.
@gavinbissell8847
@gavinbissell8847 3 жыл бұрын
This aged well 😂
@drg-ex1zx
@drg-ex1zx 7 жыл бұрын
Is the labour party republican? or at least want to convoke a refferendum?
@TheRocktalk
@TheRocktalk 7 жыл бұрын
Gandhi, Luther-King, Mandela, Corbo.
@clevercat9774
@clevercat9774 7 жыл бұрын
I'm a Brightonian and I'm so pleased that they're getting rid of that ugly conference centre and getting a nice new one.
@TheRocktalk
@TheRocktalk 7 жыл бұрын
Hannibal the Cannibal, Vlad the Impaler, Thatcher the Snatcher.
@jimmymyers8753
@jimmymyers8753 7 жыл бұрын
Free Poppers all round !!
@cesarpolitics7576
@cesarpolitics7576 4 жыл бұрын
Owen is clearly in denial.
@therealboywonder6832
@therealboywonder6832 7 жыл бұрын
Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
@renstimpy8549
@renstimpy8549 7 жыл бұрын
shame you spent some much time slagging corbyn. Did your employers pay you to say you like him?
@danemma3610
@danemma3610 7 жыл бұрын
All reminds me of Cleggmania. Remember how that turned out?
@Goonerette75
@Goonerette75 7 жыл бұрын
I'm so happy Michelle saw the light at the end of a very dirty and gloomy tunnel.
@dannygreen9684
@dannygreen9684 7 жыл бұрын
In fact I'll vote labour just to see if he can deliver so I can stop working and go on dole, looking forward to free stuff 👍😂
@Andythrax
@Andythrax 7 жыл бұрын
Aha, good luck on the dole or JSA. It's a horrible life and wouldn't be fun under Labour. JC pledged jobs for everybody so that's a good start.
@dannygreen9684
@dannygreen9684 7 жыл бұрын
Andythrax I'm only joking fella I love my job, just saying seems like life would be great everything free under corbyn.
@chrisgriffin698
@chrisgriffin698 2 жыл бұрын
and look how old that progress has been undone with the master class choosing Starmer.
@karmatrucking7562
@karmatrucking7562 6 жыл бұрын
Owen wasn't his usual annoying self. Maybe because he didn't harp on about this divisive LGTB
@dougie8747
@dougie8747 7 жыл бұрын
That was peaceful? What does it look like when it's violent?
@lsobrien
@lsobrien 7 жыл бұрын
ClusterDenies What about it doesn't strike you as peaceful?
@cameronsmith1178
@cameronsmith1178 7 жыл бұрын
Well for a start there'd be violence
@dougie8747
@dougie8747 7 жыл бұрын
I dunno, two successive leadership elections, a vitriolic media and endless backstabbing from the PLP?
@cameronsmith1178
@cameronsmith1178 7 жыл бұрын
+ClusterDenies i think thats a rather British notion of what constitutes 'violence' in democracy, but resistance is to be expected when you go against established order
@inTHEwrongGENERATION
@inTHEwrongGENERATION 7 жыл бұрын
Laughing about older people dying, maybe?
@ltaylor9704
@ltaylor9704 7 жыл бұрын
Owens really drank the Kool-ade this time.
@politicalphilosophy-thegre3053
@politicalphilosophy-thegre3053 7 жыл бұрын
Try responding to the point he is making and not making an Ad Hominem Attack, there's a good man.
@jonocroft4766
@jonocroft4766 7 жыл бұрын
God help us and I dont believe in god! lol
@frasermcclennan4992
@frasermcclennan4992 7 жыл бұрын
Owen looks quite funny drinking a pint.
@Buster_Piles
@Buster_Piles Жыл бұрын
He needed help from a girl to finish it.
@chrissandi9613
@chrissandi9613 4 ай бұрын
@@Buster_Piles Yep, though he's a girl himself, isn't (s)he?
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