Paris Lees: the truth about trans people

Paris Lees is a trailblazer: a trans woman who emerged into public view at the beginning of the 2010s when trans people had very little visibility at all, she was the first trans columnist at Vogue, a presenter, a journalist, and campaigner. Her stunning new memoir - What It Feels Like For A Girl - documents a life that began on a Nottinghamshire council estate, the anti-LGBTQ hatred she suffered growing up, spending time in a young offender's institution, to ending up a panellist on Question Time to presenting shows on the BBC.
We talk about her life - and how trans people are suffering a vicious campaign of transphobia in modern Britain.
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[@billnoble7319]

Brilliantl!

[@stephenroche5107]

Owen why have you all of sudden gone camp ?

[@josiemcintyre3181]

Just bought Paris’ book. She’s one of the few I identify with. Such a voice of rationale and reason. Maybe her words will show me where I went wrong and find the sunshine she always eminates.

[@MrJockM]

This is Jill Murphy, I don’t know why I always come up as John ! I live in Hucknall and was really interested in this interview, and now I’ve heard it will definitely buy Paris’s book. Paris comes over as a lovely compassionate woman and I’m very sorry for the horrible time she had growing up here. Don’t think it would have been any easier at that time anywhere else, especially in the East Midlands unfortunately. The culture and lack of education is surely to blame but certainly no excuse. Let’s all hope things will improve and do our best to help it happen.

[@marcadams440]

It's very interesting because my brother is a effeminate man and he often gets called a puff or a bender or people assume he is gay. You don't necessarily have to be a member of the LGBTQ 'community' to understand what homophobia feels like.

[@NIRDIAN1]

Homophobia/transphobia/etc. always has fallout outside the groups being targeted, because their aim is to remove anything that isn't "the ideal" from society. MANY butch cis women in the UK have now been harassed and attacked by transphobes who, amongst other things "want to see [their] genitals!" to "prove [their] womanhood". Similarly, sports and bathroom laws in the US are enabling unsupervised adults (mostly cis men!) to essentially 'look in students' panties', "just to make sure"... Hate that targets "some of us" will always eventually widen in scope and damage almost "all of us".

[@marcadams440]

@@NIRDIAN1

[@deefjohnholler]

your brother is your sister.

[@katieroberts7012]

@@deefjohnholler I don't think the OP mentioned anywhere that their brother was trans

[@DanAvenell]

Lots of love Paris, 52 year old man here fighting for the trans. And my 83 year old (working class) mum is on your side too. The TERFs are a very vocal minority, and history is not on their side.

[@DaboooogA]

Trans people are also a very vocal minority

[@catherinehammond1519]

Do you buy your hair piece from the same place as the other AGPs with male pattern baldness?

[@catherinehammond1519]

That was for Kyle.

[@DanAvenell]

@@catherinehammond1519 Hello Katherine, thanks for the question. I still have all my hair thanks. How are your cats?

[@DanAvenell]

@@katiepert7746 Freedom from bigotry.

[@chloelayla017]

Well done for doing this Owen. I'm trans and Paris is like royalty to me. I love her to bits and hope her book is a massive success. She truly deserves it. Loads of Love to you both. 💖💕💕💕

[@michaelrch]

@Syd Floyd You thought wrong it seems.

[@denismichaeljames]

As a gay man at 60. I am learning a lot. Paris please stay in the UK. What an inspiration and asset. Great guest and channel

[@wendylingYT]

This was a great discussion, and I'm always learning more since my trans daughter came out a few years ago. It breaks my heart the bullying that takes place during childhood, and it infuriates me the bullying and inhumanity that continues to take place by grown-ups and adults who demoralize, delegitimize, and dehumanize my daughter and many others' trans children. For my daughter, I gravitate now to positive role models like Paris Lees & Abigail Thorn and many brave others, and I appreciate all the trans allies out there, too. Knowing that you all exist, voice, and fight for trans rights gives me hope for my child's future and gets me out of the depths of dread that I feel when I witness bullies' actions and comments.

[@anicebitofbreadtomopupthel7144]

I hid the fact I'm a transgender woman for 20 years, I knew when I was 12 how I felt and it was uncontrollable but I still hid it away, because I was so afraid and hoped it would just go away. I have so much admiration for Paris, I can't even begin to think how difficult it would have been had I come out when I was 12.

[@blackniall8509]

How did you hide being trans did you just not tell people about the op

[@anicebitofbreadtomopupthel7144]

@@blackniall8509 I should have said denied instead of hid.

[@anicebitofbreadtomopupthel7144]

@Gavin Lisle nope, don't need to explain myself to anyone.

[@basilfawlty123]

@@anicebitofbreadtomopupthel7144 you're right, you don't. I identify as a pineapple 🍍 I don't need to explain myself to anyone either.

[@anicebitofbreadtomopupthel7144]

@@basilfawlty123 So do the world a favour and start behaving a little bit more like the pineapple you were meant to be!

[@johnorchin8567]

Hi Paris, If only more people would sit down and listen to what you have to say, I’m sure they would understand trans gender people a whole lot better. Hatred and bigotry comes essentially from ignorance. I think you’re doing a wonderful job in educating people about this issue. I’m in the process of reading your book at the moment.

[@alessandrolocascio2226]

in relation to schooling, teachers need to do so much better than they are. So many teachers are looking the other way when it comes to homophobic/transphobic bullying and only when its too late (might) begin taking the steps to prevent it.

[@arnamagneadanks1330]

Thank you Paris and Owen for this. So much of Paris story resonate with mine and I think resonates with many of us. Lots of love and respect sis from another survivor. 💖💖💖

[@aaronswallow3189]

This is timely content considering my major missteps in this area. Thank you Owen.

[@jonathonjubb6626]

But if a sportsman writes a book it's different from a comedian's book. And is usually described as such! I think it is inevitable that if s trans person writes a book it will be referred to as such, won't it?

[@Limefred]

Yes but being trans isn't a profession, it's a characteristic like race or height. One of the key indicators that somebody is part of a minority is that society looks first and often only at one stigmatised aspect of their identity, not who they are overall.

[@mechasartre3694]

Carole, you ok there? You seem to be really going out of your way to reply negatively to everyone who thinks trans people deserve basic equality. The kids not talking to you anymore?

[@christinalloyd9566]

@@mechasartre3694 This is the way terfs are....

[@samcad-ho3ze]

Exactly and that is what Paris is famous for, so that’s why people would buy the book.

[@NIRDIAN1]

@@samcad-ho3ze She's famous for having been active in the spotlight. I'm trans as well and not famous. I wish! It's her work and her ability to keep going despite stigmatization and violence that got her to where she is now, and THAT is why people are buying the book.

[@dianekivi5349]

It's not just kids and young people who are attacked for not being seen as normal!

[@mariaa6918]

Normal is whats normal for you. Do not be told any different . Love yourself, life is too short

[@lauramartin5579]

This was a beautiful interview. Thank you both. 😘😘

[@mariaa6918]

I am a straight woman. Find this conversation so interesting, and more perple need to be educated and learn compassion and kindness and tolerance. Paris is beautiful, articulate and truthful. Really appreciate her honesty. I have always lived my life, 'live and let live'. We are all worthy human beings. We are all enough. If someone doesn't think youre, well thats their problem to get over. Id like to wish evryone the very best for their very bright futures. Stand up for yourself always. You are all strong, brave and dignified......❤😊

[@TransRadioUK_Andrea]

So pleased to listen to Paris speak out about the bullying issues for all youth, having experienced homophobic bullying as a child. So many children suffer an the state does not want to recognise that it is a major issue.

[@frankpaterson9786]

I'm a Hucknallite and I knew Paris's Dad. I've just read the book and I feel it's a book that should be studied in school in order to enlighten peoples attitudes. Cracking read. As an aside I once met Owen in Hucknall at a fund raiser.

[@deefjohnholler]

firstly, two beautiful people talking with empathy and reason is a joy to see and hear. secondly, transphobia is boomer feminism's brexit. trans women are being scapegoated by the same tabloid media who scapegoated non white and migrant communities. this resulted in an increase in hate crimes and violence against those communities being targeted. the media cannot hold the tory government to account because they represent the interests of the class who own the media so they redirect the anger and frustration at the devastation being inflicted on the UK by a upper class tory government and their incompetence at handling the pandemic towards a statisitically insignificant out group. divide and rule. it does not have to be clever. it only has to work. finally, paris is welcome in canada anytime. i am a trans woman from the uk who transitioned when i left the uk. i would never go back.

[@ontheslide2339]

I think you'd find he wouldn't be 'welcome in canada anytime'.. it would be tricky to get a visa with his criminal history...

[@deefjohnholler]

@@ontheslide2339 i think you would find you are deliberately misgendering. tacky.

[@ontheslide2339]

@@deefjohnholler ha ha.. yet you pour your fawning adulation over a convicted criminal with blood on his hands.. pretending to be a woman.. yep.. nothing tacky about that..

[@artsybuki]

I really loved this conversation. Thank you both Owen and Paris for being open it's so emotional to hear. As a black cis-women in this country (I recently made a video about this)I'm really feeling how people really don't care for change. Whilst watching this I had a small thought that maybe it will get worse before it gets better (sad that marginalized people have to go through so much pain.) Who knows. Would love to read this book.

[@JD02761]

Amazing and powerful interview, I genuinely feel the same as Paris, I wouldn’t think twice about leaving the country because as a non-white person I feel very unwelcome in this country. Pretty much everything I do works towards the objective of moving outside of the UK precisely because of the the reasons mentioned by Paris. Solidarity to all those who feel the need to escape and also to those who feel they must stay in the UK and fight. Hopefully one day this will be a welcoming and tolerant nation for trans people but until then I agree with Paris, this country has failed and is complicit in the persecution of several groups within society.

[@62calum]

dont let the door hit you on the way out.

[@orvilpym]

Thanks a lot. Awesome video. Great interview!

[@KindellArmstrong]

Side note 📝 Owen’s skin is looking very dewy and hydrated!!

[@MostlyLoveOfMusic]

he looks after himself

[@alantaylor2117]

He’s in love....Love glow

[@robertsullivan3922]

Excuse me? Is that supposed to be some foul innuendo? Grow up.

[@nickthepeasant]

Ashamed to say that I wasn't really familiar with Paris before now - she is utterly brilliant and I am ordering her book ASAP.

[@catherinehammond1519]

You admire men who bash the elderly? Wow.

[@user-ll8mt4so4l]

He is gay male

[@tamaramarie5078]

This was a fab interview. Thank you both. ❤️

[@DCI-Frank-Burnside]

The Woman's Hour online mob can be brutal.

[@joe41040]

At the moment England is going through awakening of pain. Of hate for the innocence people like LGBT. As well fear of the foreigners. I'm hoping within 5-years England will be something amazing, instead of something disgusting.❤🧡💛💚💙💜🤎🖤🤍💝

[@lauramartin5579]

What a lovely, hopeful way of looking at it. I am really with you on those thoughts. ❤️❤️💕🌹👊💙💜💚💛🧡🤍💕💖❤️

[@MostlyLoveOfMusic]

History would suggest that it won't be as simple as that. Society is deeply divided on dozens of different issues, it isn't simply a case of convincing a small number of people or waiting for the bigots to get old

[@samanthapatrick4345]

@@carolecollins853 I'm trans and I don't hate women or lesbians one bit

[@basilfawlty123]

If you genuinely think England is disgusting then its either because you've been indoctrinated to think that way or because you're a utopian idealist. If it's the former then its going to be very hard to reason with someone who doesn't value reason. If it's the latter then reality is never going to live up to your expectation no matter how much you wish for it. You're in an impossible position of your own making.

[@edwardnewman6981]

This was a great video and really made empathise and understand trans people more. Paris was so clear in the points she was making - it really resonated. Thank you both 👌

[@spanish_realms]

Cracking interview. I can relate to Paris's despair but would urge her to think carefully about moving from Britain as a solution. Where is this perfect country where trans and other people marginalized or abused because of their sexuality are universally welcomed? If there is, I´ve never heard of it. The US? Forget it. Not even LA. I'll be honest, I moved first to the Netherlands and then to Spain in pursuit of this objective. In many respects I'm happier. Catalonia, where I now live, has some very progressive LGBTQ policies but there is still an undercurrent of hatred that sometimes manifests itself in vicious attacks on the gay/transgender community, such as just this weekend, for instance, on Barcelona beaches. I don't want to diminish her difficulties, the psychological strain of constantly standing up for who you are in a hostile world, but someone with her strength of personality, skill and determination is needed to advance the debate for the sake of others in a similar predicament. Otherwise the forces of division and hatred win. I wish Paris success with the book.

[@0Wednesdayschild0]

Excellent interview, thank you both

[@mikegreen3485]

This comment section is wild - lots of lovely people but some total bile seeping in too. Love Paris btw and looking forward to reading the book.

[@tabbymoonshine5986]

Anything related to trans people seems to attract some very angry hurt people, any excuse to punch down.

[@andyjarman4958]

Does Alex Belfield know this is going on in his manner?

[@gee_emm]

What a moving interview. I've had a totally a different life but could relate on so many levels. Those angry feminists/embittered intelligentsia types Paris describes were the bane of my university experience, but I could never really articulate why. The intersectionality of it all! Brilliant.

[@Leosaysays]

It still doesn't feel particularly safe walking around Hucknall as anything other than a straight, white, cis gender person sadly. I mean, it seems taboo to offer a simple, friendly smile to people around here most of the time!

[@NorthernWayfarer-Alice]

33:01 is so powerful and so truthful

[@marcus_electric]

Paris is a bloody legend. Nice one Owen.

[@richardwilliams3308]

Really liked listening to Paris. Great interview. Also like the format of the interview and there is no cutting and editing. Seeing someone explain things in different ways and have another go, it puts things in human terms. I find sometimes the academic over rehearsed explanations from some guests a bit nauseating.

[@msmango6354]

Er yes people do refer to Michelle Obama's book as an empowering black womans book.

[@msmango6354]

However thanks for this a great inspiring woman and I look forward to reading the book.

[@nocash7550]

Hey look it's Paris! Bless her heart, when she was a resident of Nottingham town (years ago before she became a trailblazer), we used to go to the same parties. She'll probably remember my loyal canine companion Skanker (herself a proud & noble beast) better than she'll recall my ugly mug. Anyways, best wishes & much love to her from me & Skank. Give em hell, gorgeous! Xx

[@khanra9047]

Brilliant interview 🙏🏻❤️

[@addynorfolk1824]

Thank you for having Paris on and thank you for talking about this Paris.

[@esme9867]

Paris is really wonderful, and I really resonate with her when she says it's all just very depressing. It's hard to tell but I do think people who are vitriolically anti-trans are a vocal minority, but I do find it depressing to see the feminism that I was wrapped up by at 17 expose itself as an exclusive club for as Paris said, the right type of woman. Love and solidarity ❤️

[@vdubber252k]

Great interview and very interesting to hear from Paris, wish the people who hate on her could have just a tenth of the humanity and forgiveness that she has.

[@ontheslide2339]

..you do know he participated in the beating of a man to death.. right...? humanity and forgiveness..? give me a break..

[@vdubber252k]

@@ontheslide2339 *Slow clap* Well done, thank you for proving my point that a lot of people like yourself lack humanity and forgiveness.

[@ontheslide2339]

@@vdubber252k what point..? you didn't make one.. not anything coherent anyway.. apart from complimenting the 'humanity' of someone who helped to beat a man to death.. personally speaking I have plenty of humanity... evidenced by the fact I've never killed anyone.. that should put me quite a bit higher than a tenth of this man in a dress..

[@vdubber252k]

@@ontheslide2339 your lack of ability to understand simple English compression is your failing, not mine. It is also clear that your comments are based on bigotry, you constantly keep miss gendering Paris, which is just plain sad and pathetic. Also you keep insisting on spreading false information, it was robbery for which she served time not murder or manslaughter, the man who was robbed was not killed. I'm sure you'll respond with more of your bile and false information, however I won't be responding as I've made my points and you're not worth anymore of my time.

[@ontheslide2339]

@@vdubber252k i'm going to assume english isn't your first language as i have no idea what 'english compression' has to do with anything... was comprehension too difficult a stretch for you..?... ironic you should get that wrong... ..and who is miss gendering..? is she another friend of yours..? possibly you mean mis-gendering..? however.. the only person doing that is paris himself.. here's a question for you... the man who was beaten and robbed by paris and his associates... did he die from his injuries..?... take your time

[@karastanford9288]

I took up Owen’s call to educate myself. I got SO much more than that. Amazing interview with an inspiring woman. Thank you 😊 (I’m clearly not Gen Z as I use emojis too 😆)

[@denisegeake2112]

Fantastic interview and Paris is awesome! Despite what the likes of Jk Rowling & Co are saying, the attitude around trans and diversity of all kinds is gradually improving in my neck of the woods. I’m of the same generation as those complainers, but the people around me are far more open minded! They certainly don’t speak for me!

[@BeeThorough]

Love love love to Paris Lees from an Australian trans Gen-Xer

[@saradawn7449]

Just bought the book and am SO looking forward to reading it! Thanks Owen! I love this girl, she's so honest, open, intelligent and the way she speaks for herself and others is impressive.

[@Ceeckoful]

Always nice to see a sister on the show.

[@alexturner-goodyear8910]

wafflers of the world... unite and listenn to the smiths

[@Trecesolotienesdos]

i liker her. she's articualte, pretty and very level-headed.

[@PaoloLery]

Really great insight again Owen thank you. And Paris! Obviously.

[@morekindnessnow9231]

Excellent interview

[@jamietulacz7742]

Great interview and Paris is a really eloquent speaker and lovely person 🙂

[@DeanLeake]

Great conversation between two very inspiring people! Loving your content lately Owen!

[@daniellesarah_]

loved this interview - yes older men take advantage every where!! happened to me and i was cis

[@daniellesarah_]

i still am but you know what i mean - cis gendered hetero relationships

[@RubyPrice]

I've always admired Paris since I first encountered her online and this conversation just furthers that! What a fantastic example of a human being!

[@johnswimcat]

A beautiful person. Totally sincere, compassionate, highly intelligent and strong. This resonates so much with me I am almost in tears. I am reading her book

[@johnswimcat]

Sorry, I should have said "Two beautiful people"

[@pjgray6869]

"what it is to be a women is devoid of context.".....I think that might be patriarchy's core belief.

[@samcad-ho3ze]

🙌👏👏👏

[@giant_joe]

Paris is very normal actually, almost unremarkable in fact.

[@jacquelinebond6350]

As a fellow trans women Paris touch on so many relatable subjects. I'm impressed with her ability to be understood in a complicated environment

[@tabbymoonshine5986]

What an engaging convo. Super interesting and eloquently done. Trans rights are human rights 😊

[@stephenroche5107]

Respect.

[@nicoladocherty8939]

Yayyyyy! Paris you’re an iconic , loving the fringe!

[@juliewake4585]

No Paris, you absolutely were not waffling. You may say you’re not interested in politics but politics is about people. You’ve had some fantastically interesting and thoughtful things to say. Well done.

[@basilfawlty123]

Why does she claim to speak for trans people?

[@sarahmarinaa]

Where exactly? She made it clear she's not a role model or spokesperson for an entire community.

[@thomaspowell2043]

Inspiring interview. Really lovely to listen to.

[@moshemankoff7488]

May I point out how beautiful Paris Lees is?

[@345bambi]

I respect all people, but I know nothing about trans people

[@johnlong123long]

She were doin alright until she advocated for intersectionality

[@erichamilton3373]

This person is awsome...except for the trans thing. I really wish he'd embraced being a gay man.

[@nogroth1]

@@erichamilton3373 She‘s neither a man nor exclusively attracted to men.

[@lauramartin5579]

Just ordered a copy

[@marcadams440]

She doesn't want all her work to be defined by her immutable characteristics. Smart woman.

[@erichamilton3373]

Being trans isn't immutable. No one is born trans. It is done to oneself.

[@scottflannigan3062]

Great to be educated by lovely people

[@sarahmarinaa]

Loved the interview and her book. ❤️ She does great work.

[@TransRadioUK_Andrea]

Bigot will be bigots and they hate anything that is not in their "class" so spot on with your comments 36 minutes in.

[@TransRadioUK_Andrea]

@s midnight I suggest you actually read the Equality Act 2010 you will find that gender reassignment is a protected characteristic. If you are insistent that it is not and that they are just middle class white men. Which is firstly a sexist remark and also an transphobic remark. That makes you a bigot. If you don't like that then I suggest you take it up with ECHR and not waste my time with your rubbish.

[@TransRadioUK_Andrea]

​@s midnight As previously stated your words are both transphobic and sexist. Your facts on UK prison figures are not accurate and they are also not a true reflection of society. As before if you have a problem with the law I suggest you take it up with the ECHR. I do not wish to be harassed and have transphobic slurs hurled at me and most certainly not by a stranger that does not accept that I did not write the laws of this country. My initial statement was not directed at any particular person yet you have attacked me for saying that a bigot will be a bigot which is a fact.

[@TransRadioUK_Andrea]

@s midnight For you information the official figures are unverified but based on the Ministry Of Justice data. If we look at the Ministry of Justice’s official statistics, the number of trans people in prison for sexual offences is very small compared to the overall population of prisoners serving time for sexual offences. For example, as of 31 December 2018, there were 13,512 prisoners serving sentences for sexual offences in England and Wales. This represents 19% of the sentenced prison population.35 If there were 60 trans prisoners serving sentences for sexual offences, that represents 0.4% of all sex offenders in prison. In other words, less than half-a-percent of prisoners serving sentences for sex offences are known to be trans.36 Ministry of Justice data also indicates that there are twice as many non-trans women in prison for sex offences than trans women.37 While the Ministry has not provided a breakdown of the Trans Prisoners Info Sheet #2: Frequently Asked Questions 13 specific sexual offences women in prison were charged with, we can look at defendants in court as an indication. For example, in the year ending 2017, there were 186 female defendants proceeded against at magistrates’ courts for sexual offences. Of those, 69 were for sexual assaults on females; 18 were assaults on males; 67 were sexual activity with minors; 24 were other sexual offences. So no I have not Googled it I have access to the official figures.

[@TransRadioUK_Andrea]

I re-iterate 36 Ministry of Justice data also indicates that there are twice as many non-trans women in prison for sex offences than trans women.

[@retcon1991]

Has anyone read Kathleen Stock's book: Material Girls? I'm not a fan of its tone, but don't disagree with all of it. I've been reading it with a view to understand both sides of this phenomenon. I've also been a follower and fan of trans video game journalist, Laura Kate Dale, for many years. Her book, Uncomfortable Lables, is really illuminating and worth reading. I'll add Paris' to the list!

[@jamesjackson1843]

That is not how you say lapel

[@123brownjames]

Paris is lovely 😄❤️

[@nickfletcher4132]

What lovely person you are Paris.

[@62calum]

yeah am sure the person who died as a result of the beating they got from him disagree.

[@nickfletcher4132]

@@62calum what?

[@62calum]

@@nickfletcher4132 what?

[@witte2702]

owen bringing the heat at 37:30

[@kelechii7209]

Lost some weight haven't you Owen? Looking great

[@zoegenevieveperry8663]

I love you both. Paris, you have been such an inspiration for me.

[@manchester.misfit6297]

I watched this as a non-progressive person hoping to understand better what people really mean by trans-rights. Toilet spaces and sports categories seem like practical issues that could be resolved relatively easily (maybe). But there seems to be something deeper coming from Paris, this idea of being 'accepted'. But what does that really mean...does it mean to be liked by others since we all have the same rights in law already (toilets and sports aside)? Isn't it asking for the moon for there to be a human right to be liked? Isn't there a human responsibility too?

[@atomiccritter6492]

I think you are confusing being liked and being accepted

[@niamhelse9027]

you can dislike the colour green and still accept that green things exist. if a purple thing gets painted green you may not like it, but you have to accept that it is now green and is no longer purple no matter how much you like purple

[@manchester.misfit6297]

@@atomiccritter6492 hi, I hope I'm not, that was the purpose of my comment really. Especially to understand better what people understand 'accepted' to mean in a practical sense.

[@manchester.misfit6297]

@@niamhelse9027 hi. I agree with that regarding colours. But what do you mean practically when you use the word 'accept'? I think everyone agrees that no one should be physically attacked, shouted at, or refused a job, etc. Is that all there is to acceptance?

[@niamhelse9027]

@@manchester.misfit6297 to me social acceptance means that someone isn't discriminated against on the basis of things that they can't control (race, gender, sexuality etc) and that they are free to live in peace. In your original comment you mention we all have the same rights in law, but there are still many hoops trans people have to jump through to be legally and medically recognised as their gender, which is where a lack of political acceptance comes in too

[@Hazzo1414]

❤🧡💛💚💙💜 loving this

[@62calum]

i like the way he does not actually say why he was in the young offenders, for anyone wondering he beat some guy who latter died in hospital as a result. and he still has the gall to give it the poor me all the way through this lol.

[@RenegadeShepard69]

Ouch, that's horrible, where did you get that information?

[@RenegadeShepard69]

@@AndReaMckay94 All I could find was a couple of pay-to-read online articles from guardian, independent and thetimes which detail that story, which seems correct, and a tweet saying that Paris "did time in a young offenders’ institute for being part of a gang that robbed and beat an elderly, gay man very severely, almost to death." Apparently said victim later died from his injuries. Horrifying story. But all that the online article was about was how much of a "cruel punishment" it is to put a trans woman in men's prison. Absolute disregard for humanity right there. Instead of respecting the victim of the crime and respecting the men who go to prison at the same rate that they respect Paris Lees, they treat her differently from the male subjects in this story, the protagonist of the story, poor Paris. Newsflash, going to prison for everyone is a cruel punishment. Also being brutally attacked by anyone is a cruel fate. Strange times, with strange morals.

[@lilya.vanderbilt]

@@RenegadeShepard69 I had a look too, and all I could find was the tweet you mentioned on some Terf's Twitter. While every mainstream-media mention I could find, just said she did time for helping a fellow prostitute burgle a client when she was 16. So I'd say the likelihood is that the Twitter Terf is making it up. Because if the story were true, it would not only be easily verifiable, but would have been all over the Daily Mail years ago already.

[@lilya.vanderbilt]

You probably shouldn't go around saying stuff like that about people when you have absolutely no real proof. It's kinda hateful and unhinged.

[@RenegadeShepard69]

@@lilya.vanderbilt There was a news article talking about it, it's one of first first links. Search it again.

[@dreamclaw00]

38:19 : Not just the upper class either, sadly most people are deeply cissexist in the UK.

[@mancjeff2427]

Paris, you are a fabulous looking woman with nothing to prove, shame you are this drips channel

[@blugreen99]

What is a girl?

[@samcad-ho3ze]

I don’t have a problem with Paris, she is very beautiful and has an interesting story. I’m happy for Paris to have all the rights afforded in our decent society but I do worry about the encroachment of all this on women. It opens the floodgates, there are so many well documented stories of how this has been affecting women and it will only get worse. We don’t deserve it. Owen has a blank and pitiless gaze towards women.

[@fionamoorcroft7]

So only beautiful trans women are acceptable? Is this the Waitrose feminism she talks about here?

[@samcad-ho3ze]

@@fionamoorcroft7 I personally see Paris as a man, so for a man ‘she’ is very beautiful which has nothing to do with her worth. It doesn’t change anything to do with how damaging the trans movement is to women, girls and children. What a vacuous point to make.

[@samcad-ho3ze]

@@keyboarddancers7751 I think he envies us to the point of hatred.

[@alexturner-goodyear8910]

havnt we had enough self absorbed male biographies in this patriarchy? ho ho :p

[@adrianwells769]

Too matey, too much waffle and self-congratulation

[@wildizer]

so, is Paris a bloke or a chick? I'm confused

[@PandoraFoxxBurlesque]

She's a woman, simple as

[@KathyBath]

This Paris perso is such a bloke. In no way is this person in any way a woman. He doesn't think like a woman, doesn't act like a woman, doesn't speak like a woman. It's ridiculous.

[@PandoraFoxxBurlesque]

Who died and put you in charge of who is and isn't a woman and what it means to be one? And where did you get those psychic powers - since you claim to know how she thinks? Stop worrying about what other people have in their pants and get a life

[@KathyBath]

@@PandoraFoxxBurlesque Science and biology is in charge of who is a woman. And he fails on all counts. Have you read the book? Def not from a woman.

[@PandoraFoxxBurlesque]

@@KathyBath I think you might need a science and biology textbook from this century hun, if that's your new benchmark

[@62calum]

@@PandoraFoxxBurlesque really? show me a biology text book from any century that says a man can change to a woman.

[@Kami84]

Paris has no idea 🤷🏾‍♂️ what it feels like to be a girl 👧🏼, and that’s the honest truth.

[@marthamydear5869]

The judgement day is coming, Owen…