Own Root vs. Grafted Roses

[@scallywags12]

I had a grafted Hansa rose for many years than I was fighting the suckers all the time. Finally did cuttings of Hanasa and got a healthy one. . I had to dig a huge crater in the area it grew to get rid of the root stock. Put in new soil, compost. Replanted the rose but still had to yank the odd sucker. Now finally it is free of suckers. I agree roses are more healthy and vigorous on their own roots. 80% of my roses are on their own roots.

[@nacht98]

such a good video, I now understand much better why the Gratted process and why many grafted roses start to die after 10- 15 years and own root can live up to 50 years

[@garvenshar6846]

Can they live longer if the suckers are cut off timely?

[@mr.garden2121]

@@garvenshar6846 i ve got grafted roses from my grandpa and they are 50 and more years old

[@miguelplascencia6093]

I have grafted Roses that are 30 years old

[@schoo9256]

Thank you! I have been interested in growing non-rootstock roses from cuttings just to see if it is possible, and because grafting just seems like there are so many extra ways it could go wrong. All the established gardeners around me are telling me it's a ridiculous idea but it is clearly a knee-jerk reaction. I admit they can definitely grow a good rose--but nobody seems to want to question "common wisdom". I just don't see how you can really get to know an individual plant and what it needs to thrive, if you don't want to bother with half of its system!

[@deepakkapurvirtualclass]

Useful Video especially for beginners 👍👍

[@vicmurai1033]

Hi Jason. When I was growing up in the 1950s. during the summers I used to work at Canada's largest nursery, Sheridan Nurseries in Toronto, Ontario. I remember bud grafting thousands of Hybrid Teas, Floribundas, Polyanthas, Gtandifloras, etc, during the summers. I didn't realize that there were such roses as "own-root" roses. Living in the Prairies now where the temperature drops to between - 40 and - 50, I have always had trouble growing my favourite rose, Tea Roses. They would not survive the Prairies winters due to the graft freezing. I thought, perhaps, that own root Tea roses would better survive the Prairie winters. What do yo think? I love your video tutorial.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

The tea roses are a bit tender for the prairies whether grafted or own root. You might have a better shot own-root with some additional protection, but the zone difference may just be too large to manage. BTW, have a look at Isabella Skinner - a Canadian hybrid hardy to zone 2 or 3 I think, but with a "tea like" presence in the garden.

[@MrLeoj91]

Do you have a list of hybrid teas that do well on their own roots?

[@nihatsavmaz6677]

Excellent and important topic in my opinion. Thank you. 05.07.24

[@drewburton8129]

How long from the time you graft to the time you have a rose bush?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Hi Drew. I don't produce my by grafting, but I think it's basically a single growing season after the graft is completed.

[@HanginOutWithStan]

Only question I have is, why are you not allowed to have soil in the house?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I clean up after myself, but somehow the wife can always tell!

[@HanginOutWithStan]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm hahaha

[@nacht98]

btw I love complicata but I cant find it in my country, I will buy it from France next season.

[@sammyarmstrong2098]

I would greatly appreciate clarity for my on learning. All the roses I grow are termed “antique or heirloom” roses. I have perceived that these are not grafted roses. Examples include Old Blush or Cramosi Superior. Can they grow shoots like you reviewed? Thank you

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Depends on the supplier. If you buy from the company Heirloom roses, it'll be own-root. But if you buy from Palatine, even "heirloom" roses will be grafted. Own-root gallicas, portlands and scots roses will tend to sucker to varying degrees.

[@sr9253]

Do you know if native California roses can be used for root stock?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

It's worth a try, but I couldn't find anything in a quick search to say whether it's already been done.

[@savedemperor8024]

I have a problem with very old roses that turn into wild ones, what can be the cause of it?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Grafted rootstock - if the graft union later fails (which often do after a number of years) then the rootstock variety takes over. For this reason I try to only grown own-root roses.

[@renato4583]

Excelente argumentação

[@hoornstra8769]

Ty.

[@N0N4M30]

What if you plant a grafted root way deeper so the rose can build its own root ?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

That's another way to go. You may still have issues with rootstock suckers.

[@N0N4M30]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm what is the deepest you can plant a grafted rose ? What is the maximum? Kind regards

[@sahanabarbhuiya618]

hey mate....which david austin will perform better on own root....name me some if possibly climber

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Have a look at Gertrude Jekyll - which I'm growing now on it's own roots side-by-side with grafted, and there seems to be no difference in performance.

[@garvenshar6846]

I heard of that grafted roses age quickly. Is this true?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Sort of. The graft union is a weak point on the rose, and I think it limits the useful life of your rose. It might still live a long time, but on balance I'd pick the own root rose for longevity.

[@garvenshar6846]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm For how long can we expect a grafted rose to perform well? I hope it can perform well for 7 to 8 years, or at least 5 years. I really like my plants to grow as fast as possible, but it bothers me to replace plants every one or two years. I'd be happy to buy a new one if the number or quility of blooms decline after 5 years.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

@@garvenshar6846 you should be okay. 7 or 8 years is a pretty reasonable estimate of how long a grafted rose goes before decline, and I know that they sometimes perform well for much longer. You'll still have the concern of rootstock suckering if you grow grafted, but for many varieties, you'll see faster establishment vs. own root.

[@everettedl]

When a rose is weak on it's own roots, what specifically does that mean in your experience?

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

Well, I hate to single anyone out, but for me 'Distant Drums' is very weak on its own roots. I've grown it grafted from other suppliers, and it's been an average grower. However, when I've taken cuttings, it's both slow to form its own roots (high fail rate) and its overall growth is has been weak. Your experience may vary by climate, etc. but I think that maybe some roses were not trialed much on their own roots - may have been acceptably vigorous when grafted onto a strong root-stock, but aren't genetically predisposed to develop a strong root system. Which leaves 3 basic options when you suspect this: 1) grow it grafted, 2) grow own-root, and manage your expectations, or 3) don't grow it.

[@everettedl]

Fraser Valley Rose Farm Thanks for the explanation. It's funny you mentioned Distant Drums because that's one I bought own root this season. It definitely was slow to start, and it has yet to put out buds even after putting up a few small stems while other own root roses have. Even one of the big nurseries I researched said it was difficult to root from a cutting. It'll be interesting to see how well it does over time. Thanks again!

[@portiaholliday8741]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Distant Drums is not a rose worth growing. I saw it at an end cap at the Huntington rose garden. It had NO fragrance and NO looks. The catchy name was WASTED on this rose:-(

[@denisemulkey3116]

I had a grafted climbing rose. It died, and suckers are coming out of the ground now. I guess I'm just going to wait and see what they do. Maybe I'll like the rose? What are your thoughts on that? Good to know for the future to try and find roses grown on their own roots. I bought the grafted climbing rose about 15 years ago, so good to know they don't have as long life expectancy.

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I've heard that Dr. Huey (if that's the rootstock) is quite nice on its own. Worth seeing anyway

[@Starbuckin]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Yeah I had a Blaze climbing rose fail and the rootstock took over and it is Dr, Huey and it is an aggressive, hearty and beautiful rose that explodes with a huge flush of deep red blooms every spring!!! I don't think black spot will ever kill it like the Blaze. That rose has been in the ground and growing in the same spot since 2008.

[@dileshbansoodeb4962]

Grafting provide perfect clone of the rose where the bud was taken

[@FraserValleyRoseFarm]

I don't think I would use the word "clone" to describe a grafted rose. "Clone" usually means that the entire organism is genetically identical to the donor (bud, in your example) - but on a grafted rose, the stock will be genetically distinct from the scion. That's why you can have unwanted rootstock suckers come from the rootstock and take over the shrub. There are good points of both methods, but that's one disadvantage to grafted roses in my opinion.

[@dileshbansoodeb4962]

@@FraserValleyRoseFarm i didn't think of it like that

[@wizbot]

cant get own root roses in the uk? david austin only does them for usa not england unbelievable