Tiffanee and Ayatallah: Irreconcilable Differences | Family or Fiance S2 E19 | Full Episode | OWN

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[@CreolePearls_]

Him saying he really family oriented yet no one from his family came 😂😂😂 the contradiction is so insane 🤣🤣🙄 men like him who have nothing will help you lose everything even your mind ‼️

[@Crystal-Love]

That’s so true. Your comment should be pinned‼️

[@iamsenitrashaneil1234]

preach!!

[@gailtaylor411]

That part! Family is #1 but you don't deal with your family due to their beliefs? Bruh...

[@TheKiana600]

@@gailtaylor411 why be around people that don’t share the same beliefs as you ? Sounds like his family are Christian’s and he sounds atheist

[@1BeautifullyBlessed]

😢😢

[@tobemeis2bfree]

Girl, that first dinner told it all. His friends don’t even understand him. Run girl

[@camdenhunt7565]

FR! I saw a giant red flag waving when he said he's been thru "countless toxic relationships" like you haven't been in ONE good one, not ONE? The problem is YOUUU

[@dianeatkins6980]

Run fast and don't look back...periodt

[@ashley_always7850]

It made the fact that his family don’t mess with him make more sense. Full circle ⭕️

[@tiffaneebrinkman4121]

We finally broke up yall, it's ok 🤣

[@Makavellah001]

Thank God you found your damn mind where you lost it at

[@amandatiragalo9344]

thank YOU JESUUUS GAAAALIIIIIII🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@brianablutcher3736]

Girl thank god, he is crazy 😂

[@emmarhondawilson7071]

I am so happy for you. Because you dodged a bullet..trust and believe me. I was married to a man that was a narcissist. You made the right decision.

[@brittbritt4661]

Congratulations lol

[@MistyEE21]

Parents teach your daughters not to accept abuse and not conform to unhealthy relationships.

[@lisasmith4958]

Amen

[@shaunabee]

5 mins in… Girl, RUN!!!

[@MistyEE21]

5:55 in and I was done too.

[@nicoleturner7642]

I ran from the T.V. GIRL RUN!!!!!!!

[@MistyEE21]

@@nicoleturner7642 I hear you 😂 😂 😂

[@landib1]

😂😂😂

[@jordania179]

First 45 seconds girl !!!!

[@tyrathethird]

I’m so glad the grooms best friend was holding him accountable. Black men have to hold each other accountable. It is imperative. Dude makes no sense.

[@TheKiana600]

Who makes sense he’s right about everything with the government we are awarded of the states they do on us with our diverse certificates and everything like that. If you look it up, you know he’s telling the truth. Our Social Security numbers is attached to money that’s ours, but we can’t get it because they have it in their federal reserves. He’s not lying about any of that.

[@ashley_always7850]

Heeyyyy seester lol 😅❤

[@jupiter4351]

He don’t live with his current children but wants to make more children to “be in the home with them” sir…you already have broken households

[@TheBaba1920]

It’s giving cult leader.

[@kaylawright6536]

Absolutely

[@diva70smusic]

​@@TheBaba1920 Great comment!! I was thinking Jim Jones but didn't phrase it in my comments. You have summed this man with 2 words.

[@Redpursegreenbag]

I get what he meant, and it does make sense... just not with him! He mentioned that he's never loved like this so ya makes sense to want to have a child and raise that child with the person you feel you will love forever....

[@TheBaba1920]

@@Redpursegreenbag so just forget the other children? i never get this about parents (specifically fathers) just love the children you have in the best way you can instead trying to fix a problem you had a part in creating. children need all their parents love.

[@Ginaaaa555]

I am glad his family knows he is delusional too 🤣

[@quinnpope3705]

😂😂😂🤡

[@sherrypressley4308]

He doesn’t even have insight into what he claims to believe. He becomes emotional and yells when he unable to articulate. Know what and why you believe in something when trying to sway others. They may have questions.

[@Daniellehiu]

Exactly. When they were asking how does the gov't being involved affect you and the impact and he couldn't verbalize it. He just said you know how! No we don't! Explain.

[@Purplegirl-pi1jo]

Because he doesn’t know what he’s talking about

[@priscillak88]

He found someone he can manipulate. There is some insecurity there and he knows it. I don’t think this will last

[@tiffaneebrinkman7563]

It didn't last. I know my worth 😊

[@talk2flonow261]

@@tiffaneebrinkman7563God bless you and protect you. You are very well spoken and seemed so kind. You need someone who can uplift you and respect your family, especially your child.

[@CocoaDivineTV]

​@@tiffaneebrinkman7563omgoodness! This makes me happy! You deserve to be with someone you don't have to compromise so much of yourself, your values, your beliefs for! Sending love❤❤❤

[@CocoaDivineTV]

​@tiffaneebrinkman7563 😂😂you lied to us!! This isn't actually Tiffanee is it! Looool smh

[@tamianicoledoingme3007]

This!!

[@lifeoferinr9383]

He's saying family is the most important thing but he's not close to his?! 😭

[@yolandalcheek462]

Don't even have partial custody of his own kids, I knew he was strange by his name. RUN. He can't even lead, nor has a solid foundation. RUN

[@creamekay]

when i heard that i was like huh

[@thabsmkhize2481]

Lol same. I didn’t want to be stereotypical wrt his name, tried to give him the benefit of the doubt but wow lol he lived up to and exceeded every stereotype. He’s a law unto himself, not grounded by family nor by rules - while being so self righteous - this woman is in for it.

[@yulladiamondtv]

Just like a narc, now he will try to isolate her from her family

[@deborahadams3745]

This relationship is not going to work. Period. She will be walking on eggshells through out this relationship. Run and run fast. Don’t be scared to lose him. This is not what you want. Run girl run.

[@kishacooper8475]

He chose her, Dm'd her, and gave her a ring after 8 weeks for a very particular reason.

[@genmore1953]

I feel he saw her insecurities and thought he could make her a sister wife

[@dianastjohn700]

​@genmore1953 my thoughts exactly!

[@t.w.8174]

Like my mom always says, trash men hunt and prey on women they think they can control.

[@tytyvirgo]

Exactly!!!

[@tytyvirgo]

Poor thing she doesn’t even see the spiraling mindset this dude has

[@Aaron-vb1gu]

This guy has several red flags...if he is so serious in regards to his ideology why pick a woman that does not follow it??? He is just CONTROLLING and trying to cover it up with these ideology.

[@d.m.3753]

Bingo on the controlling part... because it would be an accomplishment to have her fall in line.

[@monique4826]

He also can’t even state what it is that he believes. I think she has low self esteem because how does she hear him speaking this way and still want to marry into that. He’s delusional.

[@fjones5890]

men like this don’t pick women who align with their ideology bc they get off on breaking down strong women.

[@raquelleseda2302]

Right. But where is his ideology when it comes to threesomes? Islam approves of multiple wives (not sexual partners) only if the man can afford it.

[@09kenedy]

He named elevating her in every way EXCEPT financially 🙃

[@Makavellah001]

And has the nerve to want more wives with his broke ahhhh

[@ka8204]

Because the govt prints Money🙄

[@DareD365]

@@ka8204😂😂😂😂

[@karamelkisses1524]

@@ka8204😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@porshataylor-ee5ri]

He///////// no. He's about to make you a sister wife girl.

[@iam_yahsgrace29]

He like I just need a lil more time to work on her. Break her down(YAH FORBID) SHE GONE DO WHAT I SAY!!! LOL😳

[@quinnpope3705]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@quinnpope3705]

Baby he not ready for tee😂😂

[@shakithayoung3190]

That's all I was thinking

[@mangoyacho]

@@thebarbieinvestor5428 your comment is hilarious - I wasnt expecting the "brother wife" wit🤣🤣🤣

[@AbrahamKingston]

Relationships are hard, But I've figured out that there's always a way to fix things when there's a problem. Five years back, my wife and I were on the brink of divorce because of issues in our marriage, but we found a way to fix them. It was hard, but we made it through.....

[@GodfreyKelz]

I honestly want to be happy as well. I'm in a relationship, and even though we're apart, I can't think of life without her; my love for her is deep. I really hope she comes back, and I'm fully committed to making it work. We've tried different methods, like therapy, to fix things.

[@AbrahamKingston]

Saying farewell to someone you love dearly is never easy, but in my case, I had the assistance of a spiritual counselor who saved my marriage from falling apart. Her name is Suzanne Ann Walters.

[@GodfreyKelz]

I'm thankful for this guidance. I'll immediately start searching for her online. I appreciate it. I'm hopeful that adopting this strategy will also bring about positive changes for me; I miss her deeply.

[@AbrahamKingston]

welcome

[@ebbyf294]

It only works if both parties are willing.

[@crystalfowler2336]

10 secs in, this ain’t going to work

[@MD-ck7rc]

My thought exactly

[@LuvYaya24]

😂 same thoughts 💭 the therapist hit the nail on the head

[@Tboogiewitdabun]

Lmao

[@rosewanda2]

He doesn’t want a married certificate because he wants to legally bring in another wife.. It’s bigamy with one!! He gives narcissist vibes..

[@MsJellybean1111]

I usually hate when people throw around the word narcissist. But this man reeks of narcissistic abuse.

[@robindiva1990]

He doesnt want a marriage certificate because he will want to add other wives

[@mj8382]

GURLL EXACTLY!!!

[@mj8382]

Who’s to say the last baby mama wasn’t his “ wife” but once the broke up she’s downgraded to “ ex girlfriend “ picking and choosing when to pick the title of WIFE!!

[@Kimmy_Beee]

Bingo!!!🎯

[@Mizz_Vee]

Yes!

[@rosewanda2]

Absolutely..

[@FEMME_CHRONICLES]

Her personality is FLAT, she’s shut down, there’s no one home. I believe the abuse has started.

[@Crystal-Love]

I agree!

[@Momo-kv8zo]

And her poor son has to deal too 😤 they probably did get married and that kid got out as soon as possible.

[@tiffaneebrinkman7563]

No, never that. We broke up

[@genmore1953]

I feel she’s a bit insecure and thinking he’s the best she can do

[@genmore1953]

@@Momo-kv8zothis is why I don’t introduce my kids until for years

[@saturnladee110]

Polygamy with no polygamoney is backwards.

[@Padel78]

😂😂

[@tamarabello]

This man provides no stability at all. You have a child, think about him before you plant seeds of destruction.

[@CreolePearls_]

Exactly ZERO 0️⃣ he a dusty

[@yolandalcheek462]

Her son don't like him either, they act like we couldn't read in between the lines

[@tamarabello]

@yolandalcheek462 I hope she realised that their visions do not align, and she needs someone who provides peace in the home they build together. He wants things his way and can't see reason to anything else. He is overbearing, and the truth is his family doesn't deal with him.

[@sandraisom134]

He should be on Seeking sister wife😂😂

[@mikaelah8904]

he’s very narcissistic, i hope she runs far away

[@XiiXiByNikki]

PURPOSELY IGNORING RED FLAGS IS TO OUR OWN DETRIMENT

[@thabsmkhize2481]

And we only have ourselves to blame when things go awry.

[@ohhxsoxcynthia]

Marrying a hotep is… a choice lol

[@mj8382]

THE SAME BIRTH CERTIFICATE! HE doesn’t want his CHILD to have is the SAME one that could’ve helped him get full custody of his last child, DOes he even have. a DRIVERS license?? Becuz that’ll go against the “sovereign citizen” code ! 😢GURL RUN!

[@tashiannaartist]

I really like Tiffany's mom and aunt. They are very sensible, articulate, and respectful. Excellent job ladies ❤

[@nbbim2012]

There are certain things that cannot be compromised about- individually nothing wrong with your preferences but these 2 are like East & West....run Tiffanee run!!!!!!!

[@CynthiaMurphy-ep8os]

Exactly...he need to find someone tht has his beliefs..it's all a CONTROL thing🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[@mkxv]

I bet he thinks the earth is flat too smh like it or not you’re living in America where we have laws and taxes and documents. The delusion is incredible

[@tearapowell3780]

They are not equally yoked. I understand both positions

[@Ginaaaa555]

First interviews is all I be needing to see.

[@Augmented--]

HE COULDNT EVEN GET THREE PEOPLE TO SHOW UP?! Girllll run

[@ManiAnger]

Not a hood Hotep 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@natemclarke]

LMAO

[@22221mm]

😂😂😂 with a lightskinned or non-Black woman. The hoteps always contradicting themselves

[@FarmerReLa]

Bwahahaaa spot on

[@bilqis3]

@@22221mmreferencing that woman’s skin color is unfair and the weakest example (of so many) of his poor logic. Besides many might argue that much of the ideology espoused by the Asaar Aset community is based on fantasy and trauma responses. I pray for everyone’s healing so they can accurately see and hear one another and avoid confusing their “feelings” with facts.

[@lolaispure4296]

​​​@@bilqis3 nah it was relevant to talk about colour. Hoteps always married to some light skin or white women. I see it all the time.

[@sheenaacker6078]

Ayatallah is too much for me. There is too many red flags flying here, especially communication, control and emotions. I just don’t see major issues of this magnitude being fixed in 3 days. Girl, run already!

[@carolinagirl2428]

I just thought about it, Ayettallah might not be his birth name. He likely changed it 🤔🤔🤔

[@bilqis3]

His family might be followers of the Nation of Islam. That is a name used among them. Malcolm X has a daughter with that name.

[@reginadavis7499]

I think he said growing up people couldn't pronounce it so he may have been born with it

[@landib1]

Close to Ayatollah. Like Ayatollah Khomeini. Just noticed. 😳😔

[@Kendallslovejoy]

He sounds so ignorant

[@smurfy7972]

He’s the type to think he’s smarter than everyone else too. 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@samanthalewis5739]

Exactly! I guess he’s unemployed because the government would be all in his business

[@camdenhunt7565]

Family is so important to him but none of them showed UP for him? Red flag, run away.

[@keepitfrankwithfentse]

His family is not with the BS. They see him as problematic

[@fjones5890]

🎯

[@annette1007]

He’s controlling and that isn’t going to change in 3 days.. I think he’s saying what’s he needs to to get through this process when they get home what he says will go . Girl Run

[@SexyRed7474]

Same

[@AlainaMoore-sc7xw]

it’s now making sense none of his family came😂

[@goodchick88]

She needs to open her eyes and run!!!

[@CynthiaMurphy-ep8os]

Exactly. Her eyes is so sad

[@welcome2vonasworld821]

Right .....

[@rolondabrown1233]

This therapist is bomb ❤❤❤❤

[@desidefense1463]

She insecure and he saw that and took advantage of it. He's a hot head and I'm sure he's not a safe zone

[@raya74]

Yess

[@BroadenYourMind]

I'm afraid he abused her early on also. She was soooooo withdrawn. 😢

[@22221mm]

He TOXIC AF

[@TheKayrotic]

5mins in…he is homeless

[@FEMME_CHRONICLES]

😂 yup

[@ChellyJ]

6 mins in and all I see are two mfs who ain’t got no business being together 🤦🏾‍♀️

[@BlackCaliGirl-c9e]

She needs to run fast.

[@helena3631]

This

[@karenowens4504]

Just get with someone who has the same beliefs instead of wearing a person down to make them believe what you believe. I just understand why folks do that.

[@22221mm]

He got no nuclear family coming?… He lying, he gaslighting momma Oh no!

[@magnoliah6476]

Id be soooo embarrassed if i was her sitting at the dinner table claiming i want to marry this man girl take some me time

[@whiteeagle7594]

Bride Mom said she will deliver the baby and Auntie said look on KZbin 😂😂😂

[@Purplegirl-pi1jo]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@naturerazzi7shi495]

Aunty Blue is a trailer blazer. She told him: your needs means making your wife happy '. 😂😂😂 Done with his foolery lol

[@tamianicoledoingme3007]

😂😂

[@sondragreen9638]

Baby leave that man y’all in two different books

[@B.NC.2020]

Has he been to prison before? I hate to stereotype... but

[@happyalice6306]

As a foodie, I always look at what the families eat at the dinner. This is the saddest meal I’ve seen on this show! 😂

[@fjones5890]

Me too 😅 the toxic mama episodes have the best food 😂

[@maryb326]

😂😂😂

[@tamianicoledoingme3007]

What it looks like steak corn baked potato and asparagus what is wrong with that😂

[@JumanaItsMe]

That’s what I was thinking, just hamburgers? With no hamburger buns

[@gracenalwadda1582]

This relationship can't last forever their energies are not matching.

[@IndiasFACE]

He can’t get his point across and NO ONE not even his own friends can talk to him without him reacting like that. Thats so embarrassing…so unhinged…and SO SCARY.

[@miquelagarrett9601]

They have absolutely no business together

[@LeshaFBaby]

I remember this crazy...dinner shouldnt have been that stressful..who would want to live with that..then wonder why his family at a distant. Her aunt is not to be played with. I like her.

[@Ginaaaa555]

I wonder if he file his taxes 🤔

[@22221mm]

😂

[@avisward8449]

No

[@ellegeter8844]

Now u know hes a member of the sovereign moorish nation. No taxes no nothing lol

[@brielax4441]

I knew he would backtrack on the 3-way and marriage license. I didn’t believe him when he was speaking to the family about compromising for her. He’s too set in his ways and he should find a woman who agrees to his same lifestyle.

[@Crystal-Love]

I knew it as well. I was looking for this comment.

[@Beatrix_Ditto]

If he wants to sleep with other women... and he's adamant about it... then committed, he is not. At all.

[@lonerVixen]

He lied when he was asked if he’d been faithful. He looked away.. idk that’s telling to me

[@brigittemorobise7585]

He doesn't even know what the state wants to do to him 😂

[@ZurieRae]

My sister is a Hebrew Israelite and has some of the same world views not as extreme but…. We haven’t spoken in 3 years 😢 whereas I believe we can respectfully agree to disagree. You do you I do me. But that power trip, aggressiveness, desire to control, quick to anger. No thank you

[@yemedemure414]

I’m an Israelite as well. Thats who we are. The so called African Americans Latinos and native Americans. It’s biblical Sis. If you are a Bible believer. Our ppl will be destroyed for the lack of knowledge.

[@lolaispure4296]

​@@yemedemure414😂😂😂 damn

[@ZurieRae]

@@yemedemure414 That’s wonderful I have nothing against the religion. But again the hypocrisy, aggressiveness, controlling ways, hot headedness . The in godliness of her ways. The way she treats her family. I cannot tolerate. There’s extremist in ALL religions.

[@CynthiaJackson-p5p]

Girl RUNNNNN! He is not the one. He is gonna control your life and you will be more miserable than you already are

[@Kenya-y9l]

And why does she want to marry him again? I'm assuming she has low self esteem....

[@JoBunny87]

This is the type of dude who says "Grand Rising"

[@Queen-of-the-Burbs]

Toward the end he said what sounded good but he clearly don’t care about how she feel.

[@iamsenitrashaneil1234]

yep told them what they wanted to hear. Agreed to considering marriage certificate then in the same setting removed the marriage and wife title and added life partner. 😂

[@bebahhassan4715]

As Muslim myself, I never saw someone more delusional then this brother. She better run and never look back.

[@MsJellybean1111]

I used to be with a man like this. Controlling, don’t want to celebrate any holidays, multiple women, quick to get angry over nothing , love bombing in the beginning then BOOM has all these list of demands. That man drained my light and my soul and I’m still healing.

[@lisasmith4958]

Her mom is something else, there's no way I would ever be supportive of my child being in a relationship with a guy like this. He is controlling and she will not be happy with him.

[@sunnydered5545]

Therapy is expensive Watching family or fiance and listening to the good doc when the couple's won't is free

[@sadetripp]

5 Seconds in 😳

[@deborahadams3745]

Exactly because he is very controlling.

[@dianemclaurin5366]

I don't trust him He's just trying to do all this for TV Girl run get out while you can He's going to change on you!😮

[@22221mm]

Tiff is in abusive cycle.

[@karenweal9585]

😮😮😮😮😮 Don’t do it girl.

[@negrabella2085]

He is not it for her .. she is so sweet . He is set up his ways , bullheaded , inconsiderate and insensitive.. she will never be happy.. Hope she wakes up and walks away ❤

[@tiffaneebrinkman7563]

Thank you. I did.

[@mogwanyengjohannesmankoe3578]

I really don't understand why people like forcing things even when they see they aren't compatible!!🙄

[@Nina-Bananaaa]

He was wrapped up in confusion. So much that he can’t explain it so he gets frustrated at them not understanding what he’s confused about. He talks in circles

[@IamTiaB]

He the toxic one

[@belm3243]

I was out when he said he has been in countless and countless toxic relationships…..wow that sounds like alot

[@NA-ko4ub]

He wants to control her. Do as I say and ask no questions.

[@thun325]

In his eyes they are already married. No birth certificate and no monogamy 😢

[@reginadavis7499]

He want sister wives

[@natashacashaw9803]

He77 No Run fast as you can And please don’t look back 🥴🥴🥴🤦🏽‍♀️It’s a strong No for me .

[@deborahadams3745]

Me too!

[@shabey8436]

I wish they had follow up videos, like where are they now. Because this video is several years old. I hope both of these people have moved on with other people, because they are unevenly yoked. They are not a match at all.

[@tiffaneebrinkman7563]

Follow up.... we broke up.

[@PRINCESS2U_]

He think he the prize

[@tiffaneebrinkman7563]

Right. Lol I am tho 😊

[@Fancyisthe1]

What a nightmare, she said it was perfect.. 😮

[@michellewright6500]

I’ve seen this before. He’s just saying what he needs to say to get the approval.

[@nicolenichols8109]

The way they all changed their minds and gave a blessing. That man is controlling as hell and showed his behind at that dinner. No ma’am you don’t have my blessing. WTH.

[@mamaj3539]

I smell danger

[@123ZOOOMZOOM]

Girl run!

[@clarawhite2164]

I been trough countless of toxic relationships, so u the common denominator then aint it sir

[@saturnladee110]

Where was he living prior to movin in ith her after knowing her for 8 weeks? His apartment must have been month to month lease. 🙄

[@PeachezSaid]

Run Sis 🏃🏽‍♀️🏃🏽‍♀️🏃🏽‍♀️🏃🏽‍♀️

[@zadia1445]

Mother: "What in the world is my daughter getting into?" Um ma'am", an abusive relationship.

[@TheShaws22]

Girl....runnnnnn this man is insane 😂

[@Anonymouslousy]

He’s pretending at the end

[@camilelovejoy6574]

ANGER ISSUES RUN

[@tiffaneebrinkman7563]

I did lol

[@camilelovejoy6574]

@tiffaneebrinkman7563 awesome u deserved better than him.