Oxford High School shooting suspect to be held without bond

The 15-year-old suspect in the deadly Oxford High School shooting was arraigned Wednesday, Dec. 1 in the court of Oakland County District Court Judge Nancy Carniak on one count of terrorism causing death, four counts of first-degree murder for the four students who died of gunshot wounds, seven counts of assault with intent to murder and 12 counts of possession of a firearm in the commission of a felony. (Video provided by Oakland County District Court)
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[@MLeibs]

R.I.P. 🕊 Justin Shilling R.I.P. 🕊 Tate Myre R.I.P. 🕊 Hana St. Juliana R.I.P. 🕊 Madisyn Baldwin Godspeed to the injured; may your physical wounds heal fully and with speed. Godspeed to the parents and families of these beloved children. A worse nightmare is hard to imagine. 😔

[@caydenchapman2797]

You're

[@Aleksa.3]

@@caydenchapman2797 incorrect, if you're trying to correct someone's grammar be sure that you know what you're talking about. "May you are physical injuries" is what ur stating is correct.

[@nitaburton2684]

@@Aleksa.3 exactly

[@alexiameza2938]

Prayers to the parents who lost their little ones❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@SONNYBOY_365]

Lex I couldn't even imagine 🤦🏿‍♂️ sad 😔 😢 😞 😭 😪

[@MajorPayne175]

Prayers aren't going to do nothing.

[@mattmasc6386]

@@MajorPayne175 “anything” 🙄

[@Murican-Faith]

@@MajorPayne175 then why do u feel the need to say something? 😆 God is real and you commenting your worthless devilish opinion wont change that

[@Deicide-xi5eo]

How about what or whoever you pray too stopped it from happening in the 1st place.

[@blessthisemptynest]

I will never understand how anyone can shoot a gun and take someone’s life, let alone do it numerous times to numerous people. 4 young people lost their life because of this young man and his parents who purchased him the gun. R.I.P. Tate Myre 16, Madisyn Baldwin 17, Hana St Juliana 14 and Justin Shilling 17. I pray for a speedy recovery for all the others who were injured.

[@aguyandhiscomputer]

Injured... I live 20 mins from Oxford. The entire area is hurting. Can see it on people's faces. Horrible situation.

[@mikemorrel8312]

They are sociopaths among us. Many. Be careful out there.

[@joseferrales6860]

It's easy to understand it's called revenge simple emotion everyone has had don't make it complicated

[@megawave79]

@@joseferrales6860 not revenge if you're shooting people at random

[@cesarcueto1995]

@@aguyandhiscomputer that's part of the problem. We don't understand and don't want to understand what might make someone want to kill people with a gun or for that matter just kill people. There is not enough emphasis put into understanding mental health or people are apathetic.

[@monicarivera1555]

No he wants to act like big boy he goes to ig boy jail

[@ardithbard857]

Yup and get his ass whooped by big boys

[@warriorsorb1111]

There is literally no excuse for his action. Depression is no excuse. Like an idiot, he chose to do something permanently stupid and destroyed his own life.

[@brownrecluse3526]

Well he has a blk attorney. Is that Bad or Good from so much racial tension these days.

[@tpthecalm9438]

@@brownrecluse3526 that ain't got shit to do with whats going on "appointed" attorney. Don't go there.

[@allebasaiadartse3951]

Tell me you have never seen a depressed person, without telling me you've never seen a depressed person.

[@perladelao]

Depression may not be an excuse but mental illness can be. Not excusing this kid but I just wanna actually hear about mental health screening. My ex husband commited suicide and kept saying he would hear voices, I read kids note said that he heard voices and it sent chills my spine.

[@repothenon2706]

@@allebasaiadartse3951 depressed people don’t have homicidal tendencies that’s something totally different

[@destinyboll5525]

Why in the actual hell would they let the kid go back to class after the meeting!! They should have sent him home!!! Idiots!!!😡😡 Rest in heavenly piece to all of the victims who have been killed and prayers for the families who have been affected by this horrible nightmare!!!❤️❤️

[@saberur66]

Because republicans keep on denying schools the ability to be more of a parent then these kids actual parents

[@goodlife459]

I read that the parents refused to take him home. Based on the school’s recommendation that the teen get counselling within 48 hours, I get the sense they were thinking he was suicidal and not homocidal or an active school shooter carrying a gun. In mental health situations like this, I’m sure schools will now check lockers and bags and call police and possibly also children and family services and these kids will definitely not be allowed to return to class or return to school unless cleared by a psychiatrist to do so.

[@psh8738]

@@saberur66 as a republican I disagree with that. In my opinion Schools should have more ability to ensure all students are safe and do what is best to maintain their students mental health.

[@ronclifford3336]

@@saberur66 Has nothing to do with politics. Schools send kids home around here for much less than what this fellow did and this is a typically Republican state, not that it matters. Each school makes their own decisions, just like each individual makes their own decisions. Thats the long and short of it.

[@saberur66]

@@psh8738 well that’s not the Republican policy so I would look into switching parties so you can actually make a difference. This is absolutely insane to think that so many school shootings exist in America and only America and it’s because the gun lobby and Republican ideology of selling their souls for the gun industry.

[@repothenon2706]

It’s so sad that he took the lives of 4 students, I can’t imagine how heartbreaking it is to the parents and other students. He also destroyed his own life, seeing the videos he posted 5~ years ago it’s so sad to see what he became, his parents failed him and he failed himself. No excuses for his action, he deserves life in prison

[@joshposter1094]

No he deserves the death penalty

[@frostgfx]

Thankfully, this kid is charged as an adult, and summarily, receives adult sentencing. This kid premeditatedly planned and carried out his plan. He should have been in custody as soon as the teacher found the drawing in her classroom. Where were the cops? Weren't they called by the school? School F'd up big time.

[@animeislife5306]

ikr! what's wrong with allowing a teenager to be charged as an adult? if charging them maximum will not happen, someone would just think they can just do this awful thing with little amount of punishment.

[@allthatsheiz]

I thought they did charge him as an adult

[@tidritblag9877]

@@allthatsheiz they did. But the other two don’t want facts to get in the way of selective outrage.

[@BeastReview]

They did charge him as an adult fools

[@BeastReview]

@@tidritblag9877 lol

[@JH-nj8up]

There isn’t one bit of remorse or sorrow in his voice, it’s like he has no conscience or feelings for the horrendous acts he’s committed.

[@nr-zr5cl]

when people don't treat you like a person, why should you act like one

[@BeRightBack131]

He was spoiled rotten all his life, given anything and everything he ever wanted, never disciplined (as shown by his parents' actions leading up to this... mom says, "lol, I'm not mad at you, just learn not to get caught." Any other NORMAL parent would be coming unglued on their kid who did what this one did!). Spoiling him rotten like that makes him believe he can do anything, including murder, with no consequences. Smdh Glad they're charging the parents. Hopefully all of them will die in prison, after long years of incarceration.

[@janetbenning2645]

I hope he gets the very maximum sentance.

[@JFKjr-gp7lf]

@@nr-zr5cl yooo that was real spit 💯💯 i hope thats ur opinion and not your ur experience. Stay up

[@JFKjr-gp7lf]

@@BeRightBack131 damn still watching video did she that on here

[@thebros1148]

My thoughts and prayers are with the Oxford community and the Parents who lost children!!💔😞😞😥😥🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@Isthisthingonp]

He's going to prison for the rest of his life. The school should've taken the threats more seriously and the parents should be ashamed of themselves. They have a meeting HOURS before regarding his behavior... smh. When will our kids be safe?

[@dianecotman9213]

The school took actions. The parents argued against anything and the mother said, "Don't get caught."

[@Isthisthingonp]

@@dianecotman9213 the school didn't take action. Taking action is sending him home and taking that disturbing information to authorities.

[@joan6096]

@@Isthisthingonp they also said that he should get therapy but the parents refused. Also as unfortunate as it is schools don’t have the authority to bar enrolled students from entry of the campus. Schools also can’t release minors from school without a parents consent if a parent refuses to pick up their child a school can’t still kick them out. The law there should be changed before we start blaming the school as the rights of the minors the care of are seen individually instead of in relation to other minors. I hope new laws come from this so we can better protect schools from shootings

[@AM-fs1je]

@@joan6096 some schools have metal detectors-- cant they stop/search for weapons?

[@joan6096]

@@AM-fs1je depends on the district and with a school out in Detroit suburbia that’s uncommon. Even in Detroit, some high schools don’t have metal detectors it’s not something those school districts always invest in

[@spetteruti]

He sounds very clear and almost proud not at all remorseful.

[@martintorres2799]

@@johnnystorm5981 bro, what the fuck are you even trying to say. Do you read what you typed before you hit send?

[@justafrenchkidtryingtospea9462]

@@johnnystorm5981 Wtf are you saying?

[@adrianjeffrey2897]

He is proud

[@ayoutubegirl5933]

I wonder if he really understands the severity of it all. I wonder if he subconsciously disconnected himself emotionally to prevent feeling anything. So sad for everyone involved.

[@makinghistory20]

Such an awful situation. Not only for those who lost their lives at such a young age and their parents but those who are still alive as well will have to cope with this for the rest of their lives. This could lead to so many mental issues for those students, teachers, parents etc years down the road that could lead to much worst things. Many prayers for everyone in involved 👏🏾

[@MsRalph56]

Looks like you're not up to date on the situation his parents texted him saying "LOL that's why you got to learn to get away with things like this" his mom texted that after he did the shooting and now his mom and father on the lam because the state-issued warrent for their arrest for 4 counts of involuntary manslaughter because the child used they gun and evidence is pointing that she might have known he was going to do this with the weird texts and phone calls with the shooter after he did it.

[@juanhigareda3810]

@@MsRalph56 ummm what part of andrews comment did you miss we all know the facts he's reffering to the sad things people have to deal with because of inalienable their mentally unstable young man

[@turtle_6067]

@@juanhigareda3810 the part where th parents could of stopped this from happening

[@SpectroSwag12]

@@MsRalph56 she texted him that after meeting with school about his behavior. After the shooting she texted him Ethan, don’t do it

[@jackiefravel6826]

@@juanhigareda3810 Funny; but not really, how people will start an argument with what you said in defense of Andrews nice comment. They condemn this boy to hell but yet they will cause an argument with a stranger because people want to feel like they are right and feeling anger. It truly is a sad time we live in. Lack of compassion and understanding. All we can do is pray and shine our Light to heal this planet. Peace

[@kissaferguson9078]

He is guilty, words can't justify this horrible event my thoughts and prayers with all victims.. I just want to find out the whole story because as humans we want to know why this happened

[@zackamania6534]

Because he had access to a pistol and 20-40 rounds of 9 mm ammo. This is America

[@anthonygonzalez163]

@@zackamania6534 wow very good answer, you are very intelligent my friend every one should have your mentality your capacity of analysis to give accurate answers

[@MrM0saic]

@@zackamania6534 lots of people have access to guns and don’t massacre people. That’s a massive oversimplification.

[@zackamania6534]

@@MrM0saic guns make killing people extremely easy. Very little effort required. Which is what happens. It’s pretty simple, therefore, the simple answer

[@zackamania6534]

@@MrM0saic but a few people have guns, some injure one, some injure two, some kill one, some kill several, some kill dozens. Only in America does this happen regularly with no legislation. Facts

[@kevinlamartina9178]

This is just Tragic for everyone. I pray that somehow, Humans become Kinder to each other. We are all here for a purpose on Earth... and this is certainly not an example of that Purpose May God help us all to Learn Something from this Tragedy. 🙏💕

[@skye6066]

🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@dswinton3640]

One day he ll realize it wasn't worth it He's not going to enjoy jail and he's gonna do life life! Threw his life away and others What a tragedy

[@hayden6265]

He’ll get the death penalty when he’s 18

[@Tyler-uz1ci]

@@hayden6265 nah Michigan outlawed it unfortunately

[@jd-yo2is]

@@Tyler-uz1ci I don’t agree with it except in cases like this where there is no doubt whatsoever of the crime. The little shit clearly wanted to live. Asked for a lawyer and everything.

[@williamtimmons4405]

He doesn't care

[@jd-yo2is]

@@williamtimmons4405 his brain will be a lot different on 10 years

[@nightdrmvideos]

They need to showcase what happens after these kids go through after they are sent to jail every 10 years do an update until they die in prison to deter others from doing the same.

[@materialgworl1480]

um no. u don’t give killers that kind of attention, that inspires copy cats.

[@coloredfox3463]

Feels great that it will be rotting in a cell for decades and decades to come and I will never have to think about that thing again. I am sorry for the victims and hope they are forever remembered.

[@sicilyny5375]

A child has the civil right to attend school and not be dodging bullets. That's Preschool up to colleges/universities. Parents, check your kids before they are determined to hurt/kill others. Gotta be diligent in knowing what's on your child's mind.

[@craigstorer6571]

Kudos to the people that are going to make the parents be held accountable too!

[@nr-zr5cl]

AMEN! when will we hold the bullies accountable?

[@janetbenning2645]

Amen..It's about time to hold parents responsible for their child's actions.

[@ceezb5629]

Idk… what if your cousin tells you jokingly he’s going to “end so and so” and then cops show up to your door at 9pm to arrest you because you “knew” he was going to kill “so and so.” Are we arresting ppl for association? That’s a dangerous line to cross. Unless prosecutors can prove parents (1) knew he wanted to shoot up the school or (2) helped him plan the shooting (3) or enabled it by encouraging him to violence, they should NOT be charged.

[@craigstorer6571]

@@ceezb5629 The main thing is the parents had the gun and ammo unlocked in their bedroom where the boy could get it (they also knew their son drew images about guns and ammo with phrases that indicated that he fantasized about harming himself and/or others, which is all the more reason for them to have had the items locked up). The rest of your talking points could be valid though (it will come out to the jury in the trial). Have a great day!

[@darkhorse7460]

@@janetbenning2645 so... the child never learns self responsibility...🤨

[@susancarter2365]

No insanity defense here. The crimes were premeditated. He made videos the day before. Why didn’t his dad lock up the guns? I cried thinking of the victims. They were good kids. My heart breaks for the families. Truly heartbreaking. 💔

[@Thenewsflashdaily]

True .. shame on the attorney who’s defending him at this point it’s really shameful they should imagine there kids at that position.

[@CGustin]

In his tone of voice when he speaks he seems to show no remorse or regrets in his actions.

[@pardonmydetroitnesstv313]

His dad brought the gun for him the day before

[@pardonmydetroitnesstv313]

The parents might get charged as well

[@Thenewsflashdaily]

@@pardonmydetroitnesstv313 this is not the excuse that his dad bought gun .. how come kid can killed kids? I wish he will be in jail for his whole life.. never come back just like other 4 kids

[@luisaviggiani8188]

This horrendous, what is wrong with this boy?? No amount of anything justifies his actions!

[@texanman1998]

Ignorant and Negligent parents what if he got bullied at school and abused at his home

[@Jonpo]

@@texanman1998 Youre saying getting abused JUSTIFIES killing 4 people in a school?

[@texanman1998]

@@Jonpo of course not and his mind still a kid he just wants to revenge get it? not a fully matured adult to understand everything

[@tulam2568]

It was a shame that his parents fled away and let him bear all charges. They should be responsible for all the murder acts of their son. I was shocked to hear that his parents bought him the gun as Christmas's gift. They should have known clearly, it's a real gun, not a Toy for playing, and definitely can't play on other people's life. They signed up for this kid learn how to use the gun, how to shoot other, then they bought the gun, bought the bullets, they drew him the way to go to the prison :( It's unbelievable! And I'm very sad, why did adorable kid become a kiler at this young age? I think this horrible story should be the awakening bells for all the parents or guardians.

[@thenoobletlego]

The parents have been charged as well.

[@bandekhuda9021]

100% correct! They sent their own kid to prison, for life. 😥

[@kay-rf1it]

whether or not they bought it for him he still shouldn’t be even thinking about SHOOTING PEOPLE and taking their lives, he is not a “cute kid” he’s a monster 😭

[@cebryan333]

There's also more victims in the hospital fighting for their life, charge him more with death penalty. This is evil and not right

[@lmn1966]

No death penalty for underaged

[@sarahemmons3449]

He is being charged with assault with intent to murder for each person he injured, as well as terrorism causing death and 12 counts of possession of a firearm in the commission of a felony on top of the 4 first degree murder charges. This was all said by the judge in the video that you're commenting on. Also, Michigan does not have the death penalty; even if it did, anyone under 18 cannot be sentenced to death.

[@freemandam1]

This boy is in a Universe of trouble and deservingly so.

[@Shieldmaiden600]

His parents and he had just had 2 meetings with school principal for other bad behavior....parents should have had a conversation with him and parents should be checking their kids backpack on a regular basis.

[@troytellsit493]

Because a kid as lost and broken as him is gonna change because of a “conversation”. These monsters are deceptive and evil, if they want to hurt somebody, they will.

[@Slambam73]

Depending on what the teacher complaints were (threats of violence?), they should have searched his backpack and locker.

[@truthispower4348]

The police just reported that the two meetings was about his threats to other and the school should have had the officer in the meeting.

[@brownbagz]

@@troytellsit493 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@lilg2300]

the parents should have been parenting, that's basicaöly it.

[@electricladyland5680]

Hopefully the parents are convicted and sets a standard that all parents be responsible for their little crotch goblins actions.

[@bigstew416]

👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏

[@thebros1148]

Parents should definitely be charged with alot MORE than 4 counts of manslaughter

[@tarap9805]

What do you think they should be charged with?

[@robertallen4003]

@@tarap9805 murder, they gave their son the gun plain and simple.

[@oceanrocks]

People need to stop focusing on his 5 year old picture and focus on his current mugshot and his matter of fact demeanor depicted in this arraignment along with his lack of remorse.

[@fifinanti80]

Yes indeed his behavior is scary

[@penelopelopez8296]

He’s very young which means that his brain has not fully developed yet. He’s not responsible for this shooting. It was his young, undeveloped little brain that did the shooting. Mental health experts will now coddle this young murderer and fight hard for him to be released in about five years. Keep in mind, it was his undeveloped brain that pulled the trigger…he had no idea what he was doing. Just wait and remember what I said, in several years, mental health experts will be in court fighting like mad dogs to have this little murderer released.

[@skye6066]

@@penelopelopez8296 yeah maybe so. All of us adults were 15 once. I can’t say one time that I wanted to shoot my peers or anyone else and I was bullied. I wanted to slap a few but not kill anyone or anything. He is a complete NUT and always will be

[@sandraharclerode5662]

Unbelievable how people like this can plead not guilty when there is video of his actions & children are dead & others hurt!!! Why waist money on a trial.. those victims didn’t get a choice!

[@kylegribble]

It's the government lol Incase you haven't noticed their favorite thing to do is see how much of our hard earned tax dollars they can flush down the drain every day they want him to plead not guilty so this can get dragged out as long as possible that's how all those people in that room and on that zoom call make a living if everyone stood up and said nope I'm guilty I don't want to waste the courts time all those people would be out of a career in a month the only one that would be needed is the judge everyone else would be completely useless at that point and not needed and if that happened their would be no attorney's around to give bribes to the prosecutor to give them a good plea deal to make them look good judges gets kick backs from prisons and jails to purposely send them people to lock up last thing I remember seeing about it is a private prison receives on average $270 per day per inmate why do you think they were fighting so hard to get him sent to the real jail they know he's a no bond case that's gonna go to trail that's a solid 2 years he will be in there before being sentenced to prison that jail is looking at him like money in the bank yea our government is fucked and way beyond currupt and it's prime examples of why you can't trust anything they do or tell you the government cares about the government not the people of they are supposed to serve if they cared about the people they would have saved us a bunch of tax dollars by just hanging this little shit in the public square like it was back in the day but they government knows that's not the way they can make money

[@11Molly29]

I thought the same thing, but I’m guessing the not guilty plea means they will try to claim insanity.

[@jamtheidol9951]

Innocent until proven guilty even with video.

[@gleeshtheworld631]

Lmaooo you can’t take peoples rights away even if there’s proof they did the crime.

[@KingSG_]

They have to always plead not guilty during their first court appearance. That’s how it works.

[@gnarlynicholasreviews]

This just feels too… formal. Hard to explain, but the kindness in the judges voice, the politeness… everything about this just makes my skin crawl. Don’t get me wrong, I understand they’re all just doing their job. What’s she supposed to do? Cuss him out? But still, for some reason it just makes me uneasy. The way he talks, so matter of fact, disgusts me. He needs to be under the jail. I don’t think anybody would disagree with me here, what a waste of oxygen.

[@hellothere899]

Firstly i empathize with your anger and frustration. I hate what this kid did with all of my heart. However, we dont know all the facts, and I would like to see the parents take on something of a bigger part due to their HUGE part in the incident. We also have no idea what was going on in this guy's life. If they can prove he was truly and heartlessly committing the crime, then perhaps he deserves such a punishment. But say for example (and I'm not saying this is true) the kid wanted to die by law. Should he get his wish? Finally, they've got some indication that this kid was maybe insane. I honestly think of anyone is gonna get a dp then the parents should be in the running for giving him a firearm, being negligent and irresponsible, and responding offhandedly when faced with the request to discipline their son. There's just so much and so many people that it's hard to pin it on just one person in a way. Obviously that kid should get a big sentence, but is he the only one to blame?

[@josh45254525]

Imagine how hard it must have been for the judge to maintain that professional composure… oof

[@Greatpacificnorthwesterner]

EXACTLY! The judge is way too pleasant sounding. It would feel more appropriate if she had a more serious and stern tone. 4 kids DIED, judge! Act like it, damnit!

[@allthatsheiz]

@@Greatpacificnorthwesterner the judge would be removed from the case if showing blatant bias. Has to stay “professional”

[@Greatpacificnorthwesterner]

@@allthatsheiz Plenty of judges have the flat judge tone. This judge is almost happy sounding. She wouldn't be removed if she just toned down the amount of chipper. Almost all judges I have heard have been more somber...especially in a case like this.

[@Kevin_2435]

That kid sounds happy and friendly to be there. He doesn't sound like someone guilty or concerned that he murdered four people and injured a bunch of others.

[@JoJoBxg]

He’s definitely not there anymore. He definitely has those dead eyes, with no remourse whatsoever. Rip to the victims

[@Kevin_2435]

@@JoJoBxg Hopefully this kid can get some help in prison that his parents didn't seem interested in providing. Perhaps he can be pulled back from over the edge and maybe have some semblance of a purpose doing a job in prison.

[@bharris9824]

He may be on calming/anxiety meds -when that happens, everything seems better than just fine.

[@frank8348]

@@Kevin_2435 People in prison don’t get help anymore in USA. They get punished inside and when they come out. It’s just a place to cage people.

[@Kevin_2435]

@@frank8348 I understand that the programming and everything is lax in the US prison system. I am a huge advocate for criminal justice reform. That being said, there are people in the system that truly care, that will treat criminals like human beings if prisoners are lucky enough to find them. I think that's a huge part of why people resort to crime in the first place and why they continue with it. People in the US are treated like rats in a maze, like numbers on a spreadsheet but never as people by the systems in the grand design. When people go to prison, they are caged like animals and treated like animals in a zoo. Other countries like Norway, treat prisoners in ways that would offend Americans. I watched a documentary where a reporter embedded in a Norwegian prison and the warden of the prison greets every prisoner that comes in with a hug and tells them that everything will be okay. Obviously, that couldn't happen in the US because criminals are brought to prisons by the truckload because recidivism is so high. Recidivism rates are crazy low in Norway.

[@sharonmotts551]

When he goes to the adult jail make sure he doesn't see or talk to his father

[@penelopelopez8296]

It doesn’t matter what prison they put him in. He will be secluded, protected and coddled by psychiatrists and mental health experts. Keep in mind that his little brain is not fully developed yet…he’s not responsible for what he did….his under developed brain is responsible. This means that he will be free some day because he has no idea what he was doing…his under developed brain did it.

[@skye6066]

@@penelopelopez8296 I can’t agree 100% because I was 15 before and I knew right from wrong

[@chewbama6285]

Imagine having to be this dudes attorney lmao

[@SK-qu4wo]

This could be a very interesting case for a trial attorney. This case will be televised if it goes to trial so I am sure there are lots of lawyers lined up to take this case. The media coverage alone would put their law firm on the map, and if they win the case, it's icing on the cake.

[@bigfatpoo]

He looks like he’s shitting his pants

[@skip6485]

@@SK-qu4wo Win this case? hahaha

[@RhinoXeroz]

@@SK-qu4wo I live 5 houses down from the crumbley's and trust me they will never ever ever beat this case and if by some fucking miracle they do they will be hunted like deer around these parts

[@meccamitchell6481]

This is so cruel, I'm so tired of people using that mentally unstable excuse. If that's the case they should be put in mental hospital and away from weapons and people. If he was that mentally damaged, why didn't he harm a cop ? He knew exactly what he was doing. I can't imagine the pain of the families & friends of those lives lost, especially around this time of the year. Parents need to stop allowing their kids to do whatever they want & use discipline & common sense

[@jnicole2440]

"why didn't he harm a cop ?" How is that a good alternative?

[@KingKsEDC]

@@jnicole2440 shes trying to say he didnt just have a psychotic break and try to HARM everyone. He targeted the SCHOOL as in he KNEW what he was DOING therefore the mental health excuse is bs. Come on you knew what she meant Jesus.

[@niki_99]

@@jnicole2440 yeah I think she's referring to the fact that he surrendered as soon as the cops came in, meaning he knew what he was doing.

[@lmn1966]

Look into the parents. Sociopaths! I would love for you to come out normal after being raised by these parents! Mentally unstable! Yes he should have been kicked out! Apparently the parents had a meeting with the school administration regarding Ethan's behavior that morning of the shooting. Then there were a few students that reported Ethan's behavior in a classroom. Those students stayed home the day of! The school administration knew all about Ethan's long list of behavior issues! He should been kicked out! Instead he was able to return to his classroom with his "early Christmas present"! There's no record of Ethan being bullyied or being a bully! My deepest condolences. May special memories, guide you through this difficult time. As the days and weeks pass, and as you return to life's routine, may you continue to feel comforted by the love and support of family and friends. Speedy recovery for all the survivors.♥️♥️🙏 (edited for grammar)

[@Doggy724]

@@KingKsEDC bro he was just asking chill

[@procaliber480]

These types of offenders will be sentenced through the legal system with that being said I will tell you Justice will be served to the victims/parents when he is Recieved at the Prison whichever one they choose!

[@kylaredfox4649]

He's guilty charge him as an adult why should he get privileged to be in the children's village when he's a murderer he killed juveniles I think he belongs in jail prison

[@hackyou9548]

Fr, there shouldn’t be any court things or anything jus take him straight to jail he killed innocent kids

[@matthewsaenz8394]

well he is only 15, i respect what you think and i agree he should be in jail but he is a 15 not even over the age 18 which charges are not so bad as when ur an adult, so unfortunately we can’t do anything about it what happens happens we can’t control this

[@matthewsaenz8394]

@@hackyou9548 not how life works man

[@redessa01]

I thought when kids were charged/convicted as adults they still stayed in the juvenile facility until age 18 and were then moved to adult jail? Maybe it varies by state or I could just be completely wrong altogether.

[@wardmced9305]

People who feel bad for the kid are just wrong, there’s no proof of bullying or him being outcasted by his fellow students. Even if that were the case, killing innocent children will never be justified. Those four kids who died will never experience anything ever again because they got killed by that monster.

[@oceanrocks]

Once people hear how he murdered one of his victims, Justin, all sympathy should be thrown out the window. Justin and his friend were hiding together in the bathroom stall and the shooter came in to re-load (after already gunning down students in the hallway). He then kicked the stall door down, ordered Justin to get on his knees and shot him in the head. The shooter told his other friend to get down next to his body, but he bolted out of the door and ran.

[@JennXeno]

No proof? Trial hasn't even been held. People of KZbin be funny with their evidence. I don't feel bad for the kid at all btw.

[@wardmced9305]

@@JennXeno I mean don’t play devil’s advocate lmao. Even if he did get bullied, it doesn’t matter.

[@omarrochet]

He does look like an awkward loner kid who has no friends, gets ignored by all the girls and feels socially rejected among his peers.

[@wardmced9305]

@@omarrochet okay I wasn’t popular and I didn’t get girls in middle school I didn’t go shooting people up because I was upset lmao he should learn how to adapt instead of killing

[@joehiden7475]

Even if this kid was able to bond out he has no place to go since his parents have been arrested and have a combined bail bond of $1 million dollars. The kid is up the creek without a paddle. I would like to know from the kid....WHY?

[@DP69ner73]

Because his parents bought him a gun and willingly and knowingly wanted to kill people. The drawing was a sign and they could have stopped it that day not once but twice. The school should also be held accountable after seeing that drawing they should have sent him home until he got professional help. He now has a permanent home for life, free food, education and a boyfriend for life. I don't feel any need to allow him to even have perks in jail. Such a loser.

[@Joshua2422dgrs]

This was in the making I’m not saying it’s ok in fact this is terrible but there was so much they could have done to dodge this

[@dallasjay6414]

He lost his attorney 😅 lock this goof up for life!

[@nothingnothing3557]

His life is over at 15. Mind-boggling.

[@julianamoon3088]

Well he noted before the shooting that his life was already over. But he was also seeking help. It was preventable.

[@penelopelopez8296]

No. His life is not over….far from it. He will now be protected and coddled by every psychiatrist and mental health expert in the state. He did not shoot those people….it was his under developed little brain that did the shooting. He’s not responsible for any of this because his brain has not fully developed yet at his young age. Mental health officials, in about five years, will fighting hard for this 15 year old monster to be released. Just wait! It WILL happen. He will be free again some day and given a nice little job, a place to live and the opportunity to write a book and make millions from it.

[@ananabi9910]

You know who's life is over ??? The kids he killed. That's mind boggling!

[@butterflyray1]

Trying to figure out how they still acknowledge he’s a kid but he’s just committed acts of an adult. Does he actually realise what is about to happen to him!!!

[@nickkenmill8364]

He will soon enough..

[@Dmv_devin]

He didn’t commit acts of an adult he commuted acts of a sick individual

[@TheRealZarp]

He's done

[@MelieSue]

Not guilty plea!? He posted a countdown on his social media and bragged about the gun he was going to use. Good luck with that. 🙄

[@schumannresonanceswithverte]

Yes, that's the standard pleading when one is arraigned. The court does not accept an automatic "I'm guilty" plea. The Court doesn't accept that; and automatically enters a 'not guilty' plea for the defendant. The word of the land is that a person is innocent until proven guilty by a jury of his/her peers.

[@dennisbuzzini5692]

15 years old. Hard to wrap your head around that. the kid is barely going through puberty

[@omargarciaparrra8427]

It’s not the first time kids get shot at a school by another kid, so not hard to wrap your head around anymore in this country, another day in good ole US of A

[@newhorizon4066]

Mom sent love letter to "Mr. Trump" complaining that her neighborhood now is filled with "immigrants." Dad stashed guns at home to the ceiling. Kid plays "Call of Duty,"goes to school and sees children of said "immigrants" walking about. So what do you think happened next? Not too hard to connect the dots, is it?

[@gfx2943]

He still had plenty of opportunity to have remorse and not make the choice to commit murder. He will be tried as an adult.

[@YOUNGESTINCHARGE475]

What are u talking about bro😭dudes start puberty at 9-11

[@Itsrayaaxo]

Dumbest comment i seen

[@susankortas3327]

He never moves and talks normally saying "yes your honor" this is just baffling.

[@bharris9824]

He may have been given a drug to calm him. He’s an unstable kid in a horrid situation.

[@thesouthgotsomethingtosay2204]

@@bharris9824 this is how it starts making him a great kid that comes from a unstable background. This terrorist planned this attack no 2 ways about it not to mention his parents knew about it. This is terrorist attack on that school.

[@jackiefravel6826]

@@thesouthgotsomethingtosay2204 Wow!

[@Mochalate]

He is talking very confidently. It is bizarre

[@thesouthgotsomethingtosay2204]

@@jackiefravel6826 what's WOW, isn't he a Terrorist🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️🤷🏽‍♂️

[@nxtlego]

Plead not guilty AFTER KILLING 4 KIDS.

[@Kami-pq4hm]

its an essentially an automatic entry essentially bc of the “innocent until proven guilty” in a court system you can’t really say guilty right off the bat

[@nxtlego]

@@Kami-pq4hm true, thank you tho

[@glossypots]

When you have events like January 6, caused by so called ADULTS what messages are being sent to young people today?

[@paulahunt3508]

That “judge” makes me ill. She is talking to that Heathen killer like he’s a new student in her class & she wants him to feel “comfortable.” She’s coddling him. She needs to be more forceful with him. UGH!!!!!!

[@SuperJennNicole]

Despite the obvious that we all believe hes guilty, the law affords him the veil of presumed innocence. Shes professionally doing her job. If she was forceful or harsh with him she would not be upholding innocent until guilty. Not to mention no one will do anything that risks a future mistrial. There is a proper method for this ya know

[@smileyjess8564]

Fully agree

[@barbaramiller2279]

Decorum. Look it up.

[@barbiekat6352]

Mr. Crumbly didn’t do himself any favors, at least in the court of public opinion, by his various exaggerated and arrogant facial expressions in reaction to what was read against him. Seems like a huge jerk!

[@bullsfan4744]

Well at this point there’s nothing he can do to get out of this. The only possible way I can see is if there is an issue with the way the trial is held . But due to the nature of the crime they will most definitely do everything by the book. He’s never going to see the light of day again

[@Will-tm5bj]

Not guilty? Is he serious? He can't be serious

[@Will-tm5bj]

Alleged.. its on video

[@AaronLKinney]

The Court Plead "Not Guilty" For Him, To preserve All His Rights. It's a Jury that has to find him guilty, not the court. No one can be deprived of life or liberty without the due process of the law, and the law is he has to be found guilty by a jury in a trial. The Jury Convicts him of his crimes, not the court. The Court Only Carries Out Sentencing After He's Convicted By A Jury

[@Will-tm5bj]

@@AaronLKinney right. I understand, it's just crazy to hear

[@Will-tm5bj]

@@AaronLKinney at the same time. He's fuckin guilty. Beyond a doubt. Just plead guilty and save everyone the trouble

[@andrewmiller9207]

Only excuse in stupid and heartless.....does he realise the rest of his days are behind bars....I wonder what's going thru his head as he sits there....

[@shutd0wn_g0d20]

For real I don’t ever wanna do anything that I’ll be put behind bars fof

[@mtndew490]

Well he does have Depression soooo

[@warriorsorb1111]

@@mtndew490 that's no excuse

[@mtndew490]

@@warriorsorb1111 im just bringing mental health up

[@warriorsorb1111]

@@mtndew490 mental health is one thing but depression is no excuse. There's a lot of people who's been through depression (myself included) but none of us thought of grabbing a gun and going to a school. He may have a mental illness. But depression? Seriously doubt it.

[@TheAzb7]

They r definitely NOT messing around!! 👆🏻 Take note here any students that think its ok to take a firearm or r attemping to take a firearm onto school grounds, WILL NOT B TOLERATED! And I hope they realize the consequences. That kid IS NEVER GOING TO B IN THE FREE WORLD AGAIN. Based off of the facts stated today, he just made a new home for himself. Its NOT fun, NOT COOL, & ITS DEF NOT SOMEWHERE BETTER THAN SLEEPING IN YOUR OWN BED AT HOME👆🏻!! Believe that...Many prayers to the students and families who have been affected by this tragedy 🙏🏻.

[@lebavu8260]

❤️ to the victims and families. Hearing all the names heartbreaking ❤️

[@qiwang6395]

We need licensing and certifications for people who wants to be parents.. Not everyone is able or deserving of having kids. Potential parents needs to proof they are ready for raise kids and needs screening like process for adoption.

[@jackiebowman7333]

Sounds a lot like communist China

[@SweetLilWren]

Considering how many accidental pregnancies there are that would be very difficult to enforce

[@StaleCheetoWasTaken]

Tate will be always know as a hero.🙏

[@beejoy6153]

When the judge was discussing with law enforcement about the security measures for housing the defendant, it just reminds me that these are the steps that the parents, school officials, and law enforcement should have taken prior to releasing the defendant back into class. We wouldn't be here today if that kind of training and instinct was put in place.

[@micheler1077]

Did I here this correctly? His parents have hired a law firm/team for their legal issues yet the tax payers are paying for his.

[@ananabi9910]

NRA IS PAYING FOR THE PARENTS LEGAL FEES🤔

[@ScotiangirlTabitha]

The children’s village are you kidding me

[@joycehumphries392]

What the hell is wrong with the parents???? What I want to know is why did they buy him that gun in the first place. The whole family are murders!!!!! That to me was premeditated the day they bought that gun period!!!!!! Why did he do it?

[@DP69ner73]

Good ole Christmas present. Smh eh!

[@clv2015]

So why can’t a life sentence be life and not limit it to 20-40 years?? Why can’t it be based on how old the person is that does the terrible thing? Why if the evidence is there 100% and there is no doubt that someone did it then why can’t that take away parole and no chance of getting out or a second trial to review their case?? (My questions are focused on planned murder and or mass murder) Also if someone has a lot of charges like this why is there a plea bargain that has them confess but it lowers their sentence? I understand every case is different but if they have multiple life sentences why can they sorted them to however much🤦‍♂️ for example if a 20+ year sentence gets lowered to 10 does not seem right

[@assaulttaboo3694]

He killed 4 people, he deserves life 80+ years with out parole

[@clv2015]

@@assaulttaboo3694 a life sentence shouldn’t have a number if it’s life than it should be life. For this kid to have done this with no remorse it looks like. he shouldn’t see anything day in the shy light or anything but those four walls

[@makinghistory20]

@@clv2015 very true and he definitely will not. I’d say he will serve those life sentences consecutively (rightfully so) which adds even a longer time. He’s never getting out.

[@BeastReview]

There’s no way he’s not getting life without parole, he’s got a bunch of charges

[@pineberry7586]

He’s a minor so he has to be provided with a potential alternative to a life sentence. In this case its 25 to 60 years, but he could still very much spend the rest of his life locked up if things go to the prosecutions way.

[@elizabethortiz3602]

I’m confused I thought mr Kozak was his attorney. At the end of the arraignment they said he will need court appointed attorney for future proceedings. Who the heck is Mr Kozak then?

[@natashanyxx9486]

A family hired attorney that either doesn’t want to defend a radioactive client in a small town, or the parents can’t afford an ongoing defense.

[@hardcandy7124]

There’s another portion of this hearing (the very beginning) where Kozak explains that he was brought in at the very last minute. I believe once the prosecutor announced he would be charged as an adult and hadn’t had a chance to advise him of his rights. Prior to that he had the juvenile attorney (forgive me I didn’t catch her name) and they went to a break out room and court went into recess. This picks up (if I’m not mistaken) after that break out session where the juvenile attorney and Kozak met with him to advise him of his rights.

[@elizabethortiz3602]

@@hardcandy7124 thank you

[@darkhorse7460]

@@hardcandy7124 I love smart people

[@cosmicdreamer1387]

He’s probably gonna defend the parents

[@spencersims1285]

My heart goes out to the victims and their families how can someone do this to another human I pray justice is served and this kid never sees outside of prison walls again and I pray his parents serve time they deserve to go down to

[@IGTheCrown]

So wait the kid has court appointed attorneys, but the parents hired a law firm for themselves? 🤔

[@lashawnh7182]

🤔very interesting

[@lmn1966]

Yes they have money

[@spleenforsoul]

Maybe they were like screw it, this kid really fked us over, let him fend for himself. Not saying it's right, I'm just saying thats probably what they are thinking. Good catch though, I missed that when I watched both.

[@IGTheCrown]

@@spleenforsoul I guess once shitty parents, always shitty parents 🤦🏽‍♀️

[@IGTheCrown]

@@lmn1966 I know. So why not pay for their sons attorney? Oh well I guess

[@barbschank7267]

Why is decision Judge, send him to Oakland County Jail, he does not belong with juveniles.

[@lmn1966]

He'll be in protective custody

[@TheChardluz]

Why go through this process when it's already in tape that he did it.... Guilty!!!

[@MsDisneylandlover]

Very sad, this young guy. His parents failed him, smh.. just why. I hope he gets help in jail. Very sick..my heart is out for those who got hurt n killed smh 😪

[@shakira9468]

This what happens when you alow your kid to isolate in his room,being on the internet and not watching and noticing what going on with your kid

[@newhorizon4066]

Mom sent love letter to "Mr. Trump" complaining that her neighborhood now is filled with "immigrants." Dad stashed guns at home to the ceiling. Kid plays "Call of Duty,"goes to school and sees children of said "immigrants" walking about. So what do you think happened next? Not too hard to connect the dots, is it?

[@chirenshoots]

@@newhorizon4066 seriously. Don’t blame call of duty. It’s just a game. Video games don’t cause violence

[@darkhorse7460]

@@newhorizon4066 um yes, actually it's incredibly illogical and lacking of critical thinking to connect those dots

[@newhorizon4066]

@@darkhorse7460 actually this "it's incredibly illogical and lacking of critical thinking to connect those dots" is a new oxymoron.

[@newhorizon4066]

@@chirenshoots "Video games don’t cause violence," seriously?

[@tgj42495]

Imagine having to defend these type of people smh there should almost be a law that is what they’ve done is vile enough and enough evidence already then no one should have to defend him if they don’t want. But I know that’s not how it works unfortunately, due to “innocent until proven guilty”. Which I do agree with, just sucks in this situation and ones like it.

[@WilliamStormXBlade88]

I disagree. Defending donesnt necessarily mean "getting him off the hook", it just to make sure the process is done fairly and correctly and any facts presented (be it for or against the defendent) is accurate and correct.

[@lasmith9820]

How did he get back into class packing a loaded gun?!?! You mean, NOBODY checked this kid's backpack & locker??? NOBODY???? Parents just took off & went into hiding?? WTH!!! Did parents suspect or know what he was about to do??? 😱

[@tiggypiggy1086]

That’s what I’m wondering bc when I was depressed bc a los of a family member, they took my backpack and made sure I had nothing that could harm my self or others and had me wait in the office until I had a family member come pick me up.

[@lilg2300]

seems to me that the parents did indeed everything for him to become the next big school shooter, yes.

[@yulisacuevas8555]

They should show he’s face closer

[@marig6184]

This child begged for help and no one helped him. His parents abandoned him.

[@oceanrocks]

When he was caught he scratched out the violent drawing and masked it as part of a video game he was designing and claimed he wanted to pursue a career as a game designer

[@ginadennie4017]

Are they serious he is saying he is not guilty ?

[@kreeoshiaburks-moore9704]

When the judge called a 15 yr old boy sir.

[@moeglizzy6277]

You should slow they call everyone that

[@daplaya20]

Useless Case/Trial and Waste of Time. He is guilty and will get a mandatory life sentence, everybody knows that. Waste of Time and Resources.

[@penelopelopez8296]

Nope. He is only 15 years old. His young brain is not fully developed yet. This is what will happen. He’ll be convicted…that’s not the issue. What will happen is that every mental health expert will be arguing and fighting for his release in about ten years or less. It’s unconstitutional to sentence a juvenile to life in prison…which means that mental health experts will argue that his brain is not fully developed….he’s not responsible for his actions. In less than ten years those same mental health experts will be fighting in court for this kid to be released, based on the fact that he had a 15 year old undeveloped brain at the time of the shootings. They’ll get him released, in less than ten years, he’ll be given a nice little job, a nice place to live and the opportunity to write a book about how his parents were bad people who abused him, didn’t raise him with any values and were the worst people on earth….and he’ll make millions off it. While you go to your crappy low paying job every day, pay your taxes, abide by the laws and struggle to make ends meet…..this kid will be swimming in millions of dollars off the sale of that book. This will happen in about ten years. Remember what I just said and in ten years…..you’ll see.

[@daplaya20]

@@penelopelopez8296 And I thought I had a weird view on reality ;) Just kidding, I can fully imagine that to happen. Well, whatever, at least I don't have a low paying job :D But I agree, you cannot a 15-year old to be fully developed mentally, that is nuts. That does not excuse anything he did but it explains it how that could happen. He can certainly change, the real problem is that a 15-year old can get a gun so easily (from his parents)

[@ginadennie4017]

He wants bond ! When the victims can get out of their graves on bond and say goodbye to their love ones, he can get bond ! Ridiculous!!!

[@TheAboriginal1]

Did you watch the hearing? Bond was denied

[@SK-qu4wo]

Calm down will ya? There is such a thing as due process and everyone charged with a crime is entitled to a bond hearing, regardless of the crime. This however does not mean that the bond will be granted, as you can see in this case. Ethan's attorney made no objections to a denial of bond because he knows that is what's best for his client at this point.

[@MelloriNoMori]

@@SK-qu4wo What's best for his client is a long life behind bars and years of shame over his head and ghosts haunting his cell.

[@SK-qu4wo]

@@MelloriNoMori You lost me with the ghosts 😂

[@MelloriNoMori]

@@SK-qu4wo Gotta make a light in a dark place somehow, and I bought a tiny candle.

[@tgj42495]

Why does he have a juvenile attorney if he’s being charged as an adult?

[@finnfan33]

Because he initially was taken to a juvenile facility.

[@corinne6103]

He's getting charged as an adult but he is still a juvenile

[@JP-om3ou]

12:55 he talks about the footage

[@tonyyoun23]

This is what happen when you don't build character within your kid. You create psychopath without the mental capacity to deal with life. Everyone's kid perfect in their eyes smh.

[@xmxh9596]

Its crazy he had youtube videos from like 5 years ago when he was a kid and he seemed perfectly normal little kid.

[@heidilynwolff7513]

WHY DIDN'T THE SCHOOL CALL THE POILCE AND GET HIM THE HELL OUT OF THERE??? WHAT IN THE HELL!!!!

[@shuddle82]

He's pleading, "Not guilty"? Are you freaking kidding me? Also, Kozak trying to keep this killer in Children's Village is unconscionable. Does he want to be responsible if this kid kills again? He could stab or harm one or many with other weapons besides a gun. Also, the hooey about being cloaked in the veil of innocence is ridiculous based on video evidence already seen by LE.

[@lmn1966]

Lesser charge!

[@jenifferrose3084]

I like Marc. Your doing an amazing job sir but this is just the beginning so keep up the good work sir.

[@algoku2607]

man the sad part is i live 30 mins away from the school

[@champion_gamer128]

Same we are going to write letters for them

[@sam4539]

That’s not the “sad” part and the nearest town is over 30 minutes away

[@rocolicious]

@@sam4539 false. And it is sad, it hits different when you’re so close. I live 15 minutes away from the school.

[@larkynria2223]

Me too

[@corcollins1965]

School shouldn't have been open

[@candicane1]

What is his attorney (Kozak) sitting up there smiling about? And why should he get special treatment and security in the jail? He’s charged as an adult and needs to be treated as such!

[@braxtontaff2371]

It's so he's not killed while he's on trial, and his attorney knows he already lost before they even joined the zoom. It sucks that he is mandated to defend him

[@Rountree1985]

@@braxtontaff2371 no it doesn’t suck. It’s one of our rights as citizens - the right to an attorney no matter what the crime is. Just like we have a right to bear arms. And you want to take that away? Hell no.

[@braxtontaff2371]

@@Rountree1985 I meant it must suck for the attorney assigned him. I jusy can't imagine how it would feel defending someone like that

[@denisdenisdenisdenisdenis]

@@Rountree1985 the right to bear arms should be taken away tho ngl

[@whatsgoodtv2195]

Yes he will get killed in jail.. he should be help away from adults .. we are not a cruel nation.. my prayers to the Victims Families. So sad. His parents should be charged

[@kamysailings877]

Why didn’t the school call CPs to pick the boy up if the parents refused to take him home when asked too? They could’ve also called 911 that he was having a mental health issues and other children could be at risk.

[@BoneyMafia]

Give me 2 minutes alone with him.

[@lynnnelson6689]

So you can go to prison too?

[@BoneyMafia]

@@lynnnelson6689 worth

[@lynnnelson6689]

@@BoneyMafia You. as many do, might feel like it right now, but this pos will never get out of jail. Can you even imagine a 15 y/o in the general population? Not good enough, right? We all want justice and even that will not bring back those murdered, those injured, and the trauma caused. When will these school shootings stop? Take out your frustrations out on a pillow.

[@paml5837]

no justice for his victims...he will go to jail for his life..so what...they got death

[@whatsgoodtv2195]

Lock your guns up, people!!

[@alexiameza2938]

The parents bought it for him!!!

[@whatsgoodtv2195]

@@alexiameza2938 could they have still locked it up?🤔👀 my kids have rifles that are theirs but they are locked up.. so I know when they go shooting.. with or without me

[@jaguarjosh24]

Most like myself have them locked in a safe, but trigger locks on all and a lock straight though the chamber so a clip or mag cannot be installed. Safety is a extremely important

[@mtndew490]

@@whatsgoodtv2195 My dad has mine locked up and the bullets too, plus the gun is only a .22 ithaca

[@jordynburgess2662]

your done your done

[@serenityb5816]

Why did his dad buy the gun?

[@keithhanson1411]

I blame corporates and media for all this turmoil. These kids of tody and parents have either games or internet to baby sit their kids . But why buy a kid a gun and not lock it up ? 🤔 . Well it's all FAILIER on humanity period . And it shows that people think a picture is a life . But for the love of God ! Lock guns up period ! And quit buying these games that desenceatizes these kids . No emotions as you see in this case . I see it everyday and this generation is doomed . Thank God I'm 60 and scared for what's to come if people don't wake up and see what's really going on ...! God bless the family's and prayers to all that lost their loved ones . This could have been prevented . But it starts with knowing your children period.

[@kokeithaboone8873]

The school's police should have been involved and searched his backpack. Then the police should have been called because the gun was probably in his backpack The school is accountable as well. They need to be sued.

[@pipergilbert2495]

They took out piles and piles of guns from this home. Apparently there is no law in MI that requires parents to lock up their guns.

[@truthispower4348]

All I seen was guns coming out the front door. Did they show the inside of the home and where the guns was located?

[@kylegribble]

Why would you lock up guns inside your own house lol so if the situation arrives that you need to defend yourself and your family do you think the intruder or intruders are going to put their plans on hold while you ask them to wait so you can get your gun out of your safe lol fucking stupid people guns and access to the guns isn't the fucking issue the issue lies in a few key elements one is this human beings mental health and thats first and foremost he obviously isn't well two is upbringing parents may have failed him at many stops along the way and whether y'all like to hear it or not is the other kids at the school kids and especially high school kids aren't all angles like y'all make them out to be especially when they are around their friends what were all the events that happened at school that lead to this day it's very very rare that a person just decides to do something like this one day without their being events that transpired leading up to that moment of pushing him over the edge of sanity if I was a betting man I put i large amount of money on the fact that there was a shit ton of things that happened between him and other students or staff that made him despise everyone and everything there people getting bullied and made fun of for years on end ain't no joke it ends up making the ones on the receiving end of it mentally unstable and the end result is either them hurting themselves or others

[@oliviarose7466]

There is not

[@dana.2255]

@@kylegribble You lock up guns so people don't access them without your permission, doofus.

[@TheBebe2214]

@@kylegribble you do know there are fast ways to get your gun nowadays in the event of an emergency, right? There are gun safes that are for single guns and use your fingerprint to open it and it’s a very fast process.

[@josephyeo6966]

The biggest fault in our society is you need to have a license to own a gun but you do not need a license to have children. Have as many as you want and bring them up anyway you want or even neglect them if you want. No license required or any checks on whether you are suitable to be a good parent. Maybe it is time to change that and make parenting a licensed privilege.

[@Goldie9899]

💯 agree!! I have made this statement so so many times!! You need a license to drive a car, buy cigarettes…for so many things…but one of the biggest responsibilities you can take on in life, having a child, anyone can do!! It’s becoming such a scary, just honestly disgusting world!! I’m 40 and when I think back to when I was in high school to today…it’s such a drastic difference in every way and not for the better in many at all!!

[@mightymulatto3000]

People used to be forcibly sterilized. And in some cases mandatory hysterectomies are being performed in the immigration centers. Surprisingly there are many women who would voluntarily undergo a hysterectomy the moment they reach adulthood as they don't ever want children. Just pesky ethics and needing a "medical reason" and all. The pro lifers would lose it if women were allowed to have their reproductive organs removed on demand.

[@SweetLilWren]

@@mightymulatto3000 I can't believe I just read that pro-lifers would lose it if women were *allowed* to have hysterectomy is on demand 😂 hysterectomies involve more than just the hardware, like hormones are involved, it's a bigger deal than just taking a thing out your intelligence is definitely on display 😆

[@dukemetzger3784]

Honestly I don't see what the big deal is. I think he could be safe in both places and as long as they separate them from others all should be well.

[@BeRightBack131]

Yes and no. I think juvenile detention is more lax on their security than adult facilities. Even of they're the same as far security, I'm hoping that adult jail way less comfy than juvenile. I think in juvenile they get a little more comforts... 🤔

[@SidShiesty]

It’s been a rough year 😪

[@shutarakademars2881]

Yes it has for all of us

[@oceanrocks]

Trials take 3-4 years for it to come into existence. Nikolas Cruz pled guilty and it took 3 years for his trial to start. If this kid is adamant about his not guilty plea he’ll be well over 18 when his trial starts.

[@andracita8712]

The words “menace to juveniles” Nailed it! Don’t give him the opportunity to contaminate other juveniles with less issues in their lives. His attorney says, “He has not been found guilty” He is 200% guilt without a hair of doubt that he committed these crimes