Pack Leader is BROKEN! Updated 11.0.5 Rotation and Talent Guide

[@amitzyraizy7774]

At last a video I been waiting for. Tyyyy

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@amitzyraizy7774 Thanks for the comment. You're welcome!

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

Hey all. Updated the Talent export strings based on changes in the last few days. This should help if you were running into Focus regeneration issues and should help a bit on keeping 3 stacks of Frenzy uptime. Trying to keep up with Blizzard these days is nearly impossible. Thanks!

[@armagedoc66]

Good video Frog! Hunter is one of few classes that I love every spec and every talent it has. Both DR and Leader feels too good! The only thing is, I wish we could get both KC 0.5sec reduction and pet 5% damage both.

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@armagedoc66 Thanks for the comment! Yeah we need something for sure. They are hitting our Single Target and have completely gutted our AoE over the last couple of weeks. If you like all the Specs though it is a really good time to be a Survival Hunter. That Spec is doing really well currently.

[@nate_2609]

Ty for the info !!!! Love the fable music in the background

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@nate_2609 Thanks for the comment! Yeah I never know what Angry Frog 2 is gonna throw in there but it is always good. 😊

[@andersdahl7610]

At 1:53 what you say does not match the tooltip in the video (which seems current iirc). Not that I have huge issues with this if it's a mistake, but I got curious if those where original numbers that got nerfed, or numbers that we are slated to be getting "soon" or just you goblin:d the script by mistake :) It sure has been a rollercoaster with Blizzard lately.

[@andersdahl7610]

Also at 6:00 You suggest swapping Killer Cobra for Master Handler, but that leaves Piercing Fangs without a path connecting it, where do you suggest that point would go?

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@andersdahl7610 Thanks for the comment! Yep that is one of those where Blizzard got us. Angry Frog 2 who edits the video pulls things and sometimes by the time the full editing is finished, what he pulls has been changed. It was 6 when I wrote the script and recorded audio and changed to 4 by the time editing was complete. One of those that we missed not lining up. And yeah 11.0.5 has been a crazy roller coaster with them. 😂

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@andersdahl7610 We pick up Brutal Companion to path to Piercing Fangs when swapping in Master Handler. Should have mentioned that. Good catch!

[@HimerosTeviot]

I don't typically play BM these days, but I noticed that your talent recommendations are different from what has been simmed and advised by the Trueshot Lodge and Icy Veins. Have you evaluated those profiles and if so, why do you make your recommendations over theirs'?

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@HimerosTeviot Thanks for the comment! Man I cannot keep up with Blizzard making daily changes to our Specs. Had the script wrapped up for this on Monday and things have changed since then. Thanks for pointing that out! I have updated the strings in the video description. I noticed things were off during raid last night but I had not done the daily check across the multitude of web sources for what had changed. This patch is terribly broken 🤣🤣

[@187roel]

Thank you for this video, excellent breakdown. BM still gets rated low on most sources unfortunately. Perhaps this is because the changes are recent?

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@187roel Thanks for the comment! Yep. If I could remake the video today BM would definitely be in a different spot than just a week ago. Looking at the data this morning, looks like ST we have dropped to about the middle of the pack now and AoE we have fallen off a cliff. But not sure what to believe right now due to all of the buginess across the classes. 😂The yo-yo of class balance in 11.0.5 is absolutely horrendous.

[@187roel]

@ I honestly can’t see how a company like Blizzard can’t fix their stuff properly. I have just about 9 lvl 80’s and am probably as casual as they come in terms of skills but the way they murder balance across the board is just baffling. The only classes that seem consistent in DPS to me are Ret, Fury and possibly frost DK. My mage (frost) feels massacred with those latest changes and my demon lock also seems to go from decent to bad to decent and back to garbage. I honestly have troubles settling on a class to main save for my Paladin. It appears Blizzard loves Paladin.

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@@187roel I am 100% with you on this. It has been a yo-yo of balance over the last few weeks. The other thing to is that as far as Ranged DPS, there is not a single Spec that is at least decent in multiple scenarios. Single Target good, then AoE trash. Good in raid and trash in dungeons. It is really a mess right now.

[@187roel]

@@TwoAngryFrogs Went with Destruction Warlock now, tossing many Chaos bolts for huge damage. seems the only viable ranged option for me atm. Until nerfed ofc ^^

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@@187roel Agreed. We are wrapping up our first Ranged DPS Tier list. Video coming soon! And from that I think Destro right now is in the best position.

[@TRGoon]

Black arrow buged today..cant start a fight with it! No dmg no dot but flaged grml

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@TRGoon Thanks for the comment! This is definitely one of the buggiest patches that we have seen in a while. A lot of things just feel off. I noticed it in raid last night with the Hunter. Definitely a lot of funky stuff going on.

[@Akunza]

I feel like we fell off after the update. I am glad Pack Leader was the BM Hero Talent to go with but I am sad we were nerfed again

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@Akunza Thanks for the comment! Yep. just checked this morning and wow are we falling off quickly. Really unfortunate since our AoE was already not in a good spot.

[@jimbuddee5021]

It's living on its past reputation they still haven't got killing spree sorted for rogue outlaw which is needed for two talents in trickster

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@jimbuddee5021 Thanks for the comment. It is still slapping in Single Target (AoE is a completely different story). I will typically compare it to other ranged classes since you are going to need a mix of ranged and melee. Question for me becomes will a given Class / Spec get a spot among the ranged.

[@josuearias1894]

wich WAs ur ussing ur UI looks really neat , can u share profile ?

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@josuearias1894 I use Luxthos Weakauras for all of my class weakauras. You can download them from his site. www.luxthos.com. We have a video that talks about how that is customized. I don't re post my customized Weakaura as Luxthos really should be credited for all of the work that he puts into those. For the UI I use the standard UI edited with Edit Mode. As you are probably aware, exporting that creates a crazy long string. The Class Weakaura mod video is here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGTQeouXg8Rjl68. Mod discussion starts at 5:38

[@Webster348ful]

Plater profile ? Please

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@Webster348ful I just use the default that is there when Plater is installed.

[@Ebola419]

What a gross misunderstanding of the current state of how bugged and poorly balanced our class is.

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@Ebola419 Disagree but appreciate the comment nonetheless. Not sure how much of the video you watched but I clearly state that certain things are not currently working as they should be. That is true for a good number of Specs in this buggy patch. We are still in a very good spot for single target, the problem being they continue to nerf our single target abilities while supposedly "buffing" AoE which is not really being achieved by buffing an ability like Multi-Shot, which is terrible to start with as far as damage.

[@birgirgujonsson1254]

just read what powers do and understand your char. Using this means you have someone else set you playstyle, a style maybe that does not fit you.

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@birgirgujonsson1254 Thanks for the comment! I definitely encourage players to play the style that they have the most fun with and not chase a meta. You will see that in many of our other videos. If there are multiple, decent options for a given Spec I do try and call that out as well.

[@Tamburokoy]

Aoe still tras compared to other classes

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@Tamburokoy Yeah they keep trying to buff it but buffing a low damage ability like Mutli-shot is not exactly how to improve our AoE 🤣

[@Tamburokoy]

@@TwoAngryFrogs LOL yes exactly.

[@armagedoc66]

I dont know, I can beat rets and frost dks on +8s (even more). Well, with a small margin and with DR tho 😂. We really can get a good buff for our damage outside of call of the wild windows.

[@Tamburokoy]

@@armagedoc66 yes but u will struggle bigtime multi dotting LOL

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@@armagedoc66 Thanks for the comment! A lot of it also depends on player skill. Honestly there are so many variables that go into a class ranking that are beyond just the simulated DPS numbers.

[@strouss3888]

Esp m+.....

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@strouss3888 Boss wise is really good, but our AoE is still suffering. It depends on the level of key.

[@gametenor]

Are you high? Mm and Bm are shiet compared to almost every other spec atm, they've gutted our st and our ao3 is mediocre ..

[@TwoAngryFrogs]

@gametenor Nope, not high. Just got usurped by Blizzard's buggy patch and things have changed in less than a week. Hey but Survival is getting their day to shine right now so at least there is one Hunter Spec that still has some semblance of playability if you raid or run Mythic+. And thanks for the comment.