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@bongopirate06722 жыл бұрын
I ordered a Tucktec because I'm one of those "Bank Anglers" that look across the water and say, "If I could only get over there". The price, the storage, color options. I was on board.
@Jamming504472 жыл бұрын
Ahhh I’m exactly in this position too. Have you been able to fish from your Tucktec?
@bongopirate0672 Жыл бұрын
@@Jamming50447 Yes..... And it is awesome... Sorry for late reply..... Made a gear box with rod holders and it works great. Some people with regular fishing kayaks mentioned there is more room in mine then theirs.....
@santiagoper122 Жыл бұрын
@@bongopirate0672 That’s awesome man how often do you use it? I go fishing like twice a week so kind of worries me if it’ll wear down
@bongopirate0672 Жыл бұрын
@@santiagoper122 When I got it I was going out three, four days a week. Weather permitting.
@kayt4019 Жыл бұрын
@@bongopirate0672 mind making a short video to show your gear box with rod holders in your tucktek? that would be awesome to see or a picture?
@RubyComet72 жыл бұрын
Was close to getting an Oru inlet but needed up with 3 tucktecs for myself and Kiddos. What sold me was the materials it’s made of since many have said the buckles on the straps of the Oru can snap and development of holes and cracks are common with the Oru since it’s corrugated plastic. You can’t take a hammer to the Oru like you can with the tucktec and not have damage. You can add car door trim to the tucktec to cover the hard edges so you can get colorful with it. Plus tucktec has a 3 yr warranty and made in South Carolina. Love supporting small businesses
@ngalso2 жыл бұрын
How about going to swim out of the Tucktec and climbing back into it directly from the water? I'm worried about the sharp edges, but I have no chance to try it out somewhere nearby my place in Europe. Have you tried and/or would you be willing to share your experience? Thanks
@RubyComet72 жыл бұрын
@@ngalso I don’t believe it’s recommended to leave kayak for swim and swim back to it and get it. They’re light weight and still have some flex. For the edges on the tucktec many like myself are using car door trim edge they is available on Amazon in different colors to cover the sharp edges.
@erickincaid9779 Жыл бұрын
@@ngalso I used a Tucktec, and there's not a chance you should do that with a folding boat. No part of a folding boat can offer any resistance against your body pressing against it. You will swamp it, and probably hurt yourself and the boat.
@terry23102 жыл бұрын
I bought a Tucktec and then got myself a large 50” duffle bag to hold the kayak and all the accessories I need - paddles, safety jacket, etc. Works great!
@ministryoftruth8588 Жыл бұрын
Which 50" duffle bag?
@terry2310 Жыл бұрын
@@ministryoftruth8588 On Amazon Canada - Archibolt 50” Duffle Bag Cargo Hockey Bag Heavy Duty, Black XL - $79.89Cdn Hope that helps!
@Emivioricomex Жыл бұрын
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@javajav30044 ай бұрын
@@ministryoftruth8588 Whatever you want as long as its waterproof like the "WHITEDUCK Top Load Canvas Folding Duffel Bag"
@gow_g_rod2 жыл бұрын
My oldest Tucktec is 5 years old. I've used Tucktecs in everything from flatwater to coastal waters around the state of Florida, to include the Atlantic. Their simplicity is their strength. I paddle everything from inflatables to the latest skin over frame kayaks, and I still enjoy the durability and convenience of Tucktec Folding Kayaks. I also noticed a few comments about the tandem Oru Haven. For those interested in a tandem, Tucktec is still in the testing and pre-production of a 2-part, foldable tandem model!
@kvmalley2 жыл бұрын
@Get Out With G-Rod you mention coastal waters in FL, I’m in Clearwater. Are you saying the Tucktec can handle some of our lighter FL surf without issue? I’ve just been made aware of folding yaks, and this opens up a whole new idea for me! I have a Ford Focus RS and an 8’ boat would be the max I could squeeze in there with the hatch and back seats down. Even that’s a stretch, I’ve never actually tried it. Appreciate your comment!
@gow_g_rod2 жыл бұрын
@@kvmalley I'll try to respond to this again. I've paddled Tucktecs in coastal waters of Tierra Verde, St George Island, Ponce Inlet, FL Keys, and the FL Intercoastal Waterway. There is a Tampa Tucktecs & Beyond Kayaking Tampa Bay group on social media, as well as my own NCF VetPad group.
@gavin-1237 Жыл бұрын
You're insane to take one of these in the gulf
@gow_g_rod Жыл бұрын
@@gavin-1237 if you mean competent in my abilities and knowledgeable of my equipment and environment... Well, yeah...
@georgewaters456 Жыл бұрын
these Tuctecs seem pretty bombproof compared to the oru which is made of the same material election lawn signs are made of. I've been kayaking since the mud 1970s, first kayak was a Klepper tandem, have had about 25 kayaks since all shapes and sizes, including numerous inflatables but this tuctec is definitely going to be my next kayak as I really like the simplicity of its design and the very strong material that wad way way more durable than the oru.
@Jamming504472 жыл бұрын
I had no idea folding kayaks was even a thing!!! I recently found my love for kayaking and being able to take my fishing rod into smaller inlets. But as an apartment dweller, this gives me hope to get back on the water!!!!
@mikeymacuh332 жыл бұрын
Tucktec has a little fishing rod mounting and collapable bucket kit I got with mine. Havent tested yet but I can excited.
@terrifletcher44752 жыл бұрын
I have two Tucktecs and we really enjoy them. For less than the price of one Oru, we were able to buy two Tucktecs and now my daughter can go kayaking with me. It handles well on calm lakes and calm rivers. Plus, their customer service is great!
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Awesome to hear you're loving them!
@bezza50692 жыл бұрын
Ordered a Tucktec after watching this video. It just arrived and I'm so impressed with it! it performs way better in the water than my inflatable drop-stitch kayak. It's easier to set it up too, couldn't be happier! Thanks as always Ken!
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear! Cheers!
@AyQueChiquita Жыл бұрын
Which inflatable kayak did you have? I'm now leaning towards a Tucktec as well.
@RickR699 ай бұрын
How is it after one year? I'm seeing a lot of concerning info about the build quality lately.
@pkarowic2 жыл бұрын
Ken, great video as always. I too was torn between the Oru Inlet and the Tucktec kayaks. The price was a concern but I was more worried about unseen objects in the water. I did purchase the Tucktec for that reason. Last week I was on a lake, little rough water due to wind. I was paddling at a relaxing speed, not fast, and I hit a tree stump under the water that I did not see. I hit it on the right side under the kayak. It lifted the boat and jarred me pretty good. I was pretty concerned and paddled to shore to checkout the damage. Well, there was a scuff on the under side but no dent at all. I was relieved for sure. Not sure how the Oru Inlet would have handled that. Anyway, I agree with your assessment of both kayaks. Thanks for sharing.👍
@BluzFan2 жыл бұрын
watch their video when they smash it with a hammer...not gonna get any tougher than tucktec...period!
@pkarowic Жыл бұрын
@telegrammelillyjan1105 Sorry for the delayed response. What's the something?
@TheBradinator214 Жыл бұрын
That (along with price) the main reason I went with it too, the material used on Oru Kayaks just doesn't seem durable enough.
@gavin-1237 Жыл бұрын
@@TheBradinator214 it really does seem like it's made out of the same corrugated plastic disposable political signs are made of
@calcosPR4 ай бұрын
Same thing happened to me on my Oru, it honestly held up, the plastic is 'spongy' so it absorbed the stranding on the big branch (I literally had to shuffle myself off of it, so I was on top of the piece of wood for a good 20 seconds). Back on shore, there was no real damage, maybe a line like a smudge. Not really a dent or scratch. Now, on rocks and gravel you will scratch it, but as long as it's not extremely sharp rocks I wouldn't be too worried.
@Fishaholicboy2 жыл бұрын
Great to see the Tucktec on this channel! One thing I do with the side foams is to wrap it around the paddle handle and then insert it inside when folded. This way, you won’t lose the side foam and also keeps it nice and secure.
@pkarowic2 жыл бұрын
Fishaholicboy. Have you ever hit anything hard under the water with your Tucktec? In my comments I shared what happened when I hit a tree stump under the water. The Tucktec had really no damage. I wonder if anyone has done the same in the Oru Inlet. The Inlet is a nicer looking kayak but not sure how it would handle a hard hit, maybe it would be okay, don't know.
@Fishaholicboy2 жыл бұрын
@@pkarowic definitely hit rocks with my Tucktec.. one time I hit one pretty hard as the tide was dropping and I didn’t see it. Just some scratch marks and that was it. I’ve seen the Oru Inlet and it’s nicely made but like you, I don’t know how the kayak will react if it accidentally scrapes hard on rocks or oyster beds
@arthurlevine45582 жыл бұрын
GOOD IDEA I WAS PUTTING THOSE TOGETHER AND USING A SMALL BUNGEE TO HOLD TOGETHER.
@anjuliglobal4122 жыл бұрын
LOVE my Tucktec! There’s also a fantastic and very enthusiastic Facebook community with affordable tricks to upgrading seat, adding trim to edging, etc. I was saving for an Oru and with the funds saved I can afford more trips to adventure with my Tucktec.
@blindneutrality48402 жыл бұрын
What's the name of the Facebook group?
@psilocylence Жыл бұрын
I love my 2021 Tucktec! I purchased it after looking at multiple reddit threads and watching this video, and I don't regret a single thing about it! Plus I love the fact that it is so customizable. Edit: I've also taken my Tucktec onto the Colorado River and kayaked to Antelope Canyon with it, as well as paddled against the wind with wind waves hitting me in some lakes, and I feel comfortable to say it handled just fine!
@pchow19702 жыл бұрын
Tucktec is definitely a much better value than the Orukayak. The Orukayak might be 8 lbs less and a little less bulkier, that alone don't justified the $500+ extra cost. The Tucktec has a harder shell and should perform better in water and small waves. One can buy 2 Tucktec with extra change left vs 1 Orukayak.
@bongopirate06722 жыл бұрын
Got a Tucktec ... Took it out next day.... AWESOME
@jm-bv1wh2 жыл бұрын
Great review - thanks for posting. Love comparison reviews like this. One thing that some users on KZbin have said about the ORU is that water somehow can get into the the space on the inside of the plastic sheets, and you can't get it out. Some videos actually show the water inside the sheet. It's interesting that Tucktec gives a 3 year warranty vs, 1 year for the ORU. You'd think it would be the other way around, considering the ORU coats at least twice as much as the Tucktec. A 1 year warranty on a close to $1,000 kayak isn't very long, especially when you consider that many users can not or do not paddle year-round, so you're not even using the boat for 12 months when the warranty runs out. Just seems like ORU isn't as confident in their product as Tucktec.
@raamosjr2 жыл бұрын
Water that finds its way into the corrugated channels can be drained by inverting the un-folded Kayak and raising the opposite end to where the water is; any trapped water will drain through the openings where the fairings attach. I do this with my ORU kayaks.
@jm-bv1wh2 жыл бұрын
@@raamosjr Thank you for that tip!
@kinofex2 жыл бұрын
Not only does the Tucktec have a 3 year warranty, but I've contacted their customer service a few times with problems I've had. They are top-notch and always work hard to make things right. I've been really impressed with them.
@brooksyoutube2 жыл бұрын
@@raamosjr didn't realize it was open at the fairings. thanks!
@smkauthor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing Ken! I have had the Oru Kayak Inlet for 8 months now and overall I love it, but have had many issues with it. The back seat broke, I got a hole in the hull, the front and back fairings broke, and there is a small hole inside. None of the issue made the kayak unusable, just annoying and I had to figure out how to fix them. Oru customer service has been ok, but I would not say they are great at resolving the issue of the holes. I kayak at least once a week so I might use it more than they intend.
@Notalwaysgoodnews2 жыл бұрын
Aaron:
@ShorelooksniceRV2 жыл бұрын
The Tucktec is a game changer! LOVE ours and it works fantastic for RVers!
@DavidMedina4All2 жыл бұрын
This was super helpful. If I don’t go with an Advanced Elements option, I will go with Tucktec. Not just based on price. I appreciate the 90 days and 3 yrs warranty. I don’t care so much about how it looks as much as I do about other things. It seems Tucktec checks off those boxes. Thanks for this video!
@aprilm.12772 жыл бұрын
I have an Oru, and I love it. I almost bought the Tucktec because it's cheaper. I talked with two people who have tried both the Tucktec and the Oru. Both said they prefered the Oru, so that's what I bought. He mentioned that the Oru doesn't handle well on choppier water. But it should be noted that he has the inlet, which is designed for smooth, calm water. Oru also makes other kayaks, such as an ocean kayak, which I assume would preform much better on choppier water. He also commented on the Oru's seat. I agree that the seat isn't the best. With that being said, Oru has a different seat pad you can purchase, which make it much more comfortable (at least it does when stacked on top of the stock seat that comes with the Oru. That's what I do). However, the price difference is pretty significant. I can see why someone would buy the tucktuc simply based on price.
@mazzy21212 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Great comparison, and this is the first that I've seen actually talk about COMFORT!! I kayak for hours. I currently own a Wilderness kayak but wanted something less cumbersome in my getting-older age. But I want to be comfortable first and foremost when I'm still on the water 3 hours later. I also prefer rivers to lakes and haven't seen anyone actually test these on any level of river to see if hitting a rock will kill these things. I was very happy to hear your feedback on lvl 1 rivers. Thank you! This helped so so much!!
@gow_g_rod2 жыл бұрын
On a trip to visit family in NC, I stopped in Augusta, GA and demonstrated the Tucktecs to a group of elderly paddlers. Such demonstrations this year, have allowed several elderly paddlers the ability to test out the Tucktecs and decide to purchase their own.
@raamosjr2 жыл бұрын
Very thorough, humorous, and fair side by side comparison. I lean towards the ORU models owning the larger recreational Beach model and their smaller touring kayak, the Bay. I agree that even with the models I own, the seat comfort is an area of improvement deserving of more focus. ORU now offers a gel seat, which is way more comfortable, as an additional purchase. Perhaps the gel seat will become a standard feature. Thanks for another great gear review!
@gow_g_rod2 жыл бұрын
I agree that the Beach is a very capable model. Oru has made improvements to product accessories over the years as well. My issue with Oru is price and my experience wirh coroplast. I don't find it durable enough for my needs at the pricepoint. I've beat up multiple Tucktec designs for years and they're still going strong. I just loaded up 6 to meet friends visiting Florida last week. The family had little to no paddling experience, but loved the Tucktecs.
@kvmalley2 жыл бұрын
@Robert Amos and @Get Out With G-Rod, the Bay is the Oru I’ve been looking at for Florida Tampa Bay and Gulf paddling. Price point is an issue for me at the moment, however that will change very soon. Thanks for your comments guys, big help!
@gloppy1012 жыл бұрын
@@kvmalley The Bay is an outstanding performer! It's a real touring kayak that can handle big waves and swells. I had the Tucktec and disliked it. Sold it after a few paddle outings
@kvmalley2 жыл бұрын
@@gloppy101 thank you bro, I really appreciate your feedback on that!
@jayjorz2 жыл бұрын
Glad you mentioned that it could possibly swamp in wavy water. I go out on a great lake and it has a bit of waves so that's important information. Good review thank you.
@MrBottlecapBill2 жыл бұрын
I'm on the edge of Lake Superior and Huron. If you go out on those lakes in any kayak when it's windy you may be in trouble. At any time these lakes can go from calm as glass to two foot waves in the blink of an eye. Sunny days are the worst as it creates differential air masses that lead to high winds. I find mid august to late september to be the most calm.
@tenlittleindians5 ай бұрын
@@MrBottlecapBill Why would anyone go far from shore on a large lake? The beauty of a folder is you can head to shore, fold it up and walk the shore line back with the kayak carrying strap slung over your arm when a storm blows in. Sounds easy for long portages too.
@mdsf012 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison. I went through the this comparison between the very same kayaks last year. In the end price and durability won me over and decided to go with the Tucktec. I really like the portability but find it insufficient for the body of water (Lake of 2 Mountains, a very large lake). I took it out several times on this lake and got myself into a pretty precarious situation due to winds and large waves that came out of nowhere. I even reinforced the integrity of the kayak using PVC tubing which I fashioned into a frame using a heat gun with front and rear cross beams. This made it far more rigid but the low profile and flex was still too much for this body of water. I did end up getting a traditional kayak (a 12" foot touring/rec) but decided to keep the TT for when I go camping and can paddle on calm lakes. I have to say it is quite durable as witnessed in a YT video where the fellow who made the video of his trip down a river in Georgia (I believe) ended up smashing it against some rocks. After getting out of the boat, draining the boat and inspecting it for damage (just a minor scuff) he resumed his trip chasing down some items he lost when the boat was swamped. That impressed me very much.
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
I'm not surprised to hear you went for a traditional kayak for those conditions. The Tucktec is great for calm water, but definitely not designed for the rough stuff. I took it into class 1 rapids to test it that way, and quickly realized I was pushing it's capabilities.
@j.tamburello40532 жыл бұрын
I have an ORU Inlet (I’m 5 8”). It is the most comfortable kayak I’ve ever used (and I’ve tried many).
@heatherlong62672 жыл бұрын
Love my Oru! I have the Haven, which is the tandem model that can also be converted to a single person. As a full time RVer, Oru was the way to go! Plus I love that my husband and 50lb dog can go with me if they want!
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Nice! Haven't tried the Haven yet. I'm hoping to try a different Oru Kayak model soon.
@coastalrn12 жыл бұрын
Good, fair review. I have had both Tucktec and Oru. My Tucks were earlier versions pre-2020 and a 2021. Unfortunately, I was not impressed with those Tucks (the seat was terrible and you didn't know what you were going to get because there were about 4-5 different seat versions at the time so most people were throwing them out and substituting a stadium chair instead), the clamps came undone even with the cotter pins in it, the swim noodles on the sides tore easily, and my 220 lb husband sat so low in the water that I was constantly worried he would take on water and submerge (I can't imagine it actually can take 300 lbs). It looks like they made some modifications since the models I had, including the bar behind the seat and I think this is just proof of how new the Tuck is and is still undergoing design review. In any case, I sold my Tucks and bought two Oru's instead (not an Inlet, but the next two sizes up - the Beach and the Bay). I love my Orus and have had them for two years now (they've been around since 2013 and there are several members that still have their originals). The Oru are more expensive, but it all comes down to what you want to do with your kayak.
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing all your experiences Kelley! Glad to hear you've found boats you love!
@Tokahfang2 жыл бұрын
One factor that played into my decision picking between Tuckecs and Orus was that I read Tucktecs can be a pain to assemble when it is cold out. Not sure how true that is (I went with an Oru Beach), but it was a point of differentiation that mattered to me.
@carlmassart1672 жыл бұрын
I have a Tuck Tec kayak, 2 in fact. Got them during the Kickstarter campaign so they are the original models. They work fine for what we use them for which is recreational boating on calm creeks and lakes. I am very satisfied with my kayaks.
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear!
@YouKayTen6 ай бұрын
Woah man I didn't even know they made folding kayaks!!! This is exciting for someone like me who always wanted to get into the sports but sont have the logistics of carrying full size kayak or storage space.
@Cannicope832 жыл бұрын
I was paddling around on mine tucktec the other day and a lady came out on an oru and we sat and talked in the middle of the lake giving reviews about each other's kayak right there. I'm still glad I got tucktec but the knuckle shaving is the problem. Tucktec, add some seam covers and a more rigid seat and you're set!
@ianashmore99102 жыл бұрын
I replaced my seat after the first day out. No big deal.
@gow_g_rod2 жыл бұрын
The Tucktec seat has always been a weakpoint, with the exception of when they used to have a metal-frame seat with articulated angle positioning. Unfortunately, supply issues made continued use of that seat untenable. I use simple quicklinks from my local big box store, to provide connection rings to use just about any standard kayak seat, even ones with high back support. As for the edges, many are using automotive door trip for both comfort and personalized styling. I, and friends of mine, have used inexpensive pool noodles along the bow and stern cockpit opening edges.
@Cannicope832 жыл бұрын
@@gow_g_rod I actually went out and bought a stadium seat from Cabela's and before I cinch the tucktec seat down (after running the strap thru initially on the tucktec seat), I run the strap in between the bottom and top supports of the stadium seat and instantly increase the usage and support. Plus with the cinched down seat, and my combined weight, I'm building a diy platform that attaches to the back of the seat to create a motor platform using inspirations from PVC bilge pump designs on KZbin.
@gow_g_rod2 жыл бұрын
@@Cannicope83 I've used stadium seats with the Tucktec as well. However, I can say that when I have seen failures in the Tucktec structure, it has often been due to the use of wide, metal-frame stadium seats, that interfere with the engineering and shape of the kayak. These must be well centered and preferably, not forcing the bottom deck into an unnatural shape. It's also best if they are waterproof, as I have seen failure due to seats soaking up water and becoming anchors. I tend to use standard kayak seats, if I do not use Tucktec-supplied seats, as they have a similar narrow profile and do not create any balance issues.
@kayt4019 Жыл бұрын
@@ianashmore9910 what did you replace the seat with?
@eric52802 жыл бұрын
I got the tucktec a few months ago and I think it's an amazing value. Big upgrade from inflatables. I put the paddles inside the velcro wrap and it works great to carry everything. Oru is lighter and more aesthetically pleasing but that wasn't enough for me to go for it. Used the savings to buy another tucktec and some light paddles for the price of the Oru.
@timshelton79052 жыл бұрын
Reviews complain often about ease of assembly of the Tucktec. What do you find?
@eric52802 жыл бұрын
@@timshelton7905 I found there to be a little learning curve. Took me 20 minutes first time as I was watching how to video while doing it. After a few times assembly time was about 5 minutes.
@chrisfran78662 жыл бұрын
@@timshelton7905 I found Tucktec assembly/disassembly a challenge. I don't like the crawling around on the ground that is needed to assemble and disassemble. People crowd around and I feel like a spectacle (Tucktec can't help that!). I'm thinking of giving Oru a try and will probably sell my Tucktec. If Oru doesn't work out for me I may just give up on kayaking. To put this in some perspective - I am a 70+ year old reasonably fit woman.
@kristaps20102 жыл бұрын
Whatever you’re reviewing I’m always happy to watch. New about ORU but not the Tuck Tec. Best thing these ones are more durable against punctures comparing to IK.
@KayakingBubblehead2 жыл бұрын
I have talked with people that own one or the other on the flat tidal rive that I guide on, it seems the Tucktec is a little sturdier and the Oru doesn't handle going over under water objects very well and their customer support won't honor the warranty if you have gone over several objects and have gotten a hole or the crease gets a crack. Every Tucktec I've seen come back to the boat ramp always seems to have more water inside but I don't know if it's a over weight limit or paddling technique issue by the paddler. Both are pretty cool little kayaks though. Please keep these videos coming, always great content and information.
@AyQueChiquita Жыл бұрын
I don't know about the Oru Kayak, but the Tucktek comes in two different sizes - the 10 ft and the 8 ft. The smaller version is described for use by youth or small adults. I contacted customer service to ask which size would be the best fit for me, as I am 4'10". They actually recommend the smaller kayak, which is also the less expensive one. Just FYI :) Now, after watching this video, I'm really excited about a foldable kayak! I'd been looking into inflatable ones but not loving the results.
@cowmancheese2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Your guys' dynamic and commentary are great i feel like im watching a show on cable tv like mythbusters or top gear, or the stuff that was on G4 tv back in the day
@tonydumont84092 жыл бұрын
The best review on portable kayaks on youtube! Thank you!
@seo95152 жыл бұрын
I don't speak English, so I didn't understand which Kayak the commentator preferred! my experience with Oru Kayak Bay with 83 outings in one year is fantastic! Just a tiny hole fixed with hot glue and that's it! Used in Swiss lakes, in the Venice Lagoon and in all Italian seas! a real kayak! ;-)
@TruShine2 жыл бұрын
The editing of this video is fantastic. Both Ken’s gave great input… lol…
@maloso812 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this. Been wanting to see a real comparison of these two
@bigsweaty84032 жыл бұрын
This was very informative and helpful. I recently got a vehicle capable of taking us on camping trips and carrying small watercraft. We were interested in a portable option to avoid working with complicated racking etc. But after seeing the conditions these cannot handle, we are willing to bite the bullet and get sturdier, more capable kayaks! Thanks for aiding in our decision making!
@BiologicalClock2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this review! I was previously interested in the oru kayak but it's out of my price range, and it looks like the Tucktek has a similar level of performance for a lot less money. Considering my camping buddy and I are casual hobbyists, this looks like it would actually be a much better fit for us.
@grahamashby14092 жыл бұрын
Another cool video Ken. Great editing, production and content as always. And you made me chuckle again. Very watchable. Ignoring the obvious brand loyalty in the comments below, my feeling is that for anyone who's after longevity (and the build quality that's likely to deliver it), the Oru is going to shine through. In both cases, heavy-handed people should steer clear in my humble opinion. These things are not designed to be abused. Treated with a respect for the relative fragility of the materials and associated fittings they really are wonderful things. It's not difficult to see why the Tucktec is cheaper, but that clearly doesn't make it a poor boat.
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Graham! :) I agree. Treated with respect, they both should last a looooong time.
@carakao-young14852 жыл бұрын
You made me lol: "Back to you, hot stuff!" "Don't call me that!" But really, very useful content cuz I'm ready to buy something. I'm disabled so I was curious. Thank you
@stann19802 жыл бұрын
Tucktec is tough, looks better, 3 years warranty, the after sales service is amazing. I have been using it a lot and I broke a little part, Tucktec replaced it for free the next day. Oru is double the price, there’s no need to think who’s the winner.
@1jameswag2 жыл бұрын
You lost me at looks better. Glad it's working for you!
@mikeymacuh332 жыл бұрын
Haha bought 2 tucktecs hot pink! Just had abdominal surgery so it will be a few weeks before I can go test them out. But overall paid less for the 2 tucktecs than one oru and have 3 times the warranty. New to kayaking so even though tucktec says they can go up to class two water im staying at flat water for as long as I can think. But very excited. Great video.
@greenlutra Жыл бұрын
Love my #Tucktec! Why? I have a rare form of autoimmune neuropathy that affects my mobility, strength and balance. The Tucktec is lightweight, easy to assemble and transport and handles amazingly well in the water! When the season ends in the Northeast I can just roll it up for easy storage. Right now I can't wait for open water so I can get out there for my first #Tucktec2023 paddle!
@classicarcadeamusementpark42422 жыл бұрын
Great video Ken. I'm surprised you didn't compare the Tucktec to the new ORU Lake model. It's much lower priced than the Inlet model, and weighs even less. A KZbin video demos it back packed to a remote pond. One of the things I'd like to be able to do. I love my Sea Eagle inflatables. I have 7. I've had most over a decade now and used my Paddleski 435ps almost 500 times without a puncture. I bought a Razorlite 393RL last July. I love it! But I was still considering adding yet another kayak for two purposes. 1. Something to quickly setup and especially something that packs up super fast (and dries fast). On some days, a half hour on the water is all I have. It's simply too much trouble to setup any of my inflatables and tear them down for such a sort paddle. A short paddle by the boat ramp might be better than no paddle at all. The Origami Paddler you reviewed clearly is the winner in that area, but looks pretty bad over all. 2. Something light weight to take to remote locations. The Razorlite comes with a back pack, but I feel 35 lbs on my back is too much to go more than a half mile with. I've been carefully watching the ORU's & Tucktec for over a year. While I've been interested in them, the more I learn, the more I realize how much better my Razorlite really is. Do your viewer know how difficult it is to get back on them if you tipped for any reason? I just saw some videos on the Tucktec, and it was beyond extremely difficult at best to get back in. Most of the time it swaps with water on attempting and you end up swimming back towing the kayak. I tend to think the ORU's are the same. And I've seen a lot of photos of both ORU's & Tucktec's swamped with water. No they don't sink, but you can't paddle back. Even with airbags in the Tucktec, more than likely it won't help in the videos shown. Often these kayaks fill with water also due to user error with the straps. But it does happen. But more likely, imagine being out on the ocean or some huge lake several miles, and the conditions are suddenly rough and you stand a good chance of flipping. Many places I go don't even have a place to go to shore easily. People have posted about rescue attempts on their ORU's, and they destroyed them just in attempting. I also question the long term durability of the buckles & straps. I've seen photos of some rusted from salt water. Then there are the performance differences too, and many other points of interest where the Razorlite wins. It's no wonder when I asked Kayak Cliff how he felt about his ORU's vs his Razorlite, he said he sold his ORU's (more expensive models) and in comparison to the Razorlite, he much favored the Razorlites for his kind of kayaking. I can't argue with the low price of the Tucktec's however. They look complicated to setup vs the Razorlite, which takes 4 mins to manually inflate. What is the tear down time difference? Did you find the Tucktec a lot faster to pack up than the Razorlite? That would be my only reason at this point for considering one. With the ORU Lake at 18 lbs, I back packing it might be a realistic option.
@weisswurstfruhstuck85232 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for your detailed thoughts and information therefore. Didn’t think about flipping and getting back in for example. I have a few inflatables myself from gumotex it’s European company and I am very happy actually. Also have a Blackfoot Angler for my fishing trips. What I maybe could suggest you is getting a packraft ?! There is for example the anfibio or other company’s boats are sometimes as light as just 3-4 Kilos even! And you can do whitewater stuff in some of them too with knee straps and stuff. If you want to carry them for a hike these are the boats you gotta go for definitely. Everything else is simply toooo heavy and bulky too. I have a packraft from China which does its job quite well from Ali express. If you know what model you like they make then quite well there too. I think the company’s name is Msr or msx. I am quite happy with mine :) Maybe I could help a bit too after your helpful comment and therefore give something back a bit for keeping me away off that folding plastic bag 😂✌🏼 Greetings from Bavaria Germany
@classicarcadeamusementpark42422 жыл бұрын
@@weisswurstfruhstuck8523 Thanks. I have looked into the Packrafts. They are very light weight. The problems I see with them is I don't do white water, and I hear the performance on flat water is beyond awful. They also tend to be expensive. This would just be an extra kayak used a few times a year for remote ponds/lakes. I've been to Bavaria or passed through it and I bet it must be nice to kayak there. I have relatives in Munich, so I may come to Germany again at some point and do some kayaking. I watched some videos attempting to re-enter a Tucktec from the water. It's a long shot most would be able to get back in, and even more a long shot that after they did so, that it wouldn't be so filled with water they could paddle back. I don't believe that situation is any better on the ORU's. On the Razorlite I have, it's been demonstrated that it took 7 seconds to get back in and that it was easy to paddle back and not filled with water after tipping.
@weisswurstfruhstuck85232 жыл бұрын
@@classicarcadeamusementpark4242 Yeah Packrafts are not cheap there are some that have a fin at least and are a bit longer but no they won’t get a price for the fastest yak out there never! But the msr nomad 1 I have and there is also a two person packraft works not too bad on lakes etc. it’s more formed like a kayak and the fastest packraft and it’s not bad to paddle with it. BUT definitely not for longer tours and greater distances. Yeah Bavaria is as beautiful as over crowded and over populated. That’s a bit of a downside but you never can get lost and walk an hour and see another persons home at least. I guess it all has it’s good and bad side. Munich I lived in for ten years. It’s a village now having 2 million people and it’s not been built for that. Every day traffic jams and just too much people. So now I am back on the countryside. God bless! Have a great time! Keep safe and keep happy! Peter
@classicarcadeamusementpark42422 жыл бұрын
@@weisswurstfruhstuck8523 If you see anything reasonably affordable with half decent flat water performance, let me know. This would be seldom used as my Razorlite would be my first choice on a normal day.
@JustinOwenDesigner2 жыл бұрын
The Oru Kayak has better safety features. It has bulkheads where you can store float bags to help keep it from sinking. Also, the way it is constructed allows air to be trapped between the layers of plastic of the Oru which also aids in keeping the kayak floating. They also now sell a new and improved gel seat cushion. I have the Inlet and it is awesome!
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Can't wait to try the new seat! That's great to hear.
@Phrancis52 жыл бұрын
btw the knockoff gel seats on amazon are a fraction of the price and just as nice. Way better than the stock oru seat.
@nathanseaman63282 жыл бұрын
There's room for float bags in the bow and stern of the Tucktec and, though it's not got corrugated channels, the HDPE that the Tucktec is made of is still lighter than water and there are videos on KZbin showing that when swamped it will not sink, but rather hover near the surface.
@ikkeennietjij2 жыл бұрын
Reading this one might get the idea that these kayaks are ok for doing (self) rescues. In my opinion they are absolutely not. I am used to hard shell sea kayaks and I would never risk my life in one of these...
@Phrancis52 жыл бұрын
@@ikkeennietjij The other Oru Bay and Coast models are more like skin-on-frame sea kayaks if you fill em with float bags. You can do a cowboy self rescue just like any other hard shell touring kayak. This Inlet model isn't for serious kayakers in big water.
@EuropaWill Жыл бұрын
Great comparison. The Oru definitely looks much nicer in terms of it's shape and more covered cockpit sides but the flimsier corrugated material, higher cost and shorter warranty aren't doing it any favors. I'd rather have a sturdier more durable boat even if it's 8 lbs heavier. Also it needs to be said the Tucktec seems a bit more conducive to fishing and has optional side stabilizers to make the kayak less tippy for when fishing or for newbies.
@gilbertperez43912 жыл бұрын
nice review, I like the way you guys explained the differences . I have been following Oru for sometime and is fascinated with the design. A friend bought a Tucktec recently and I was amazed when said the price, I need to call him and ask what he thinks. Thanks!
@derickderidder77852 жыл бұрын
Great job on the video. It was clear, it was entertaining, it was informative. Fun to watch.
@ricosmith7084 Жыл бұрын
Great comparison video! I watched it several times before making my decision on which boat to buy. I really love the design and portability of the ORU, but I also loved the price of the Tucktec. In the end, I went with the Oru because they are selling a refurbished( ?) (it was brand new, not sure what was refurbished) Lake model for $379.00. Can't beat that! I took it out on the Rio Grande for the first time today and I love it!
@dragon-bq8uu Жыл бұрын
The insanely fast setup time of the Oru Lake and the fact that the MSRP is the same as the Tucktec makes it a clear winner in my book. With an impatient toddler I can get the boat together and on the water before he loses interest which wasn't possible with the Beach or Bay models.
@laurataylor33902 жыл бұрын
Great review! And I absolutely love my Oru Beach LT kayak, Oru gel seat upgrade works wonders. Overall seat area could stand some improvement but not a deal breaker at all. 3 years paddling, no issues, cleans up easily, fits in my hatchback and it gets lots of attention at the parks!
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Great to hear! Can't wait to try the gel seat upgrade!
@637dan2 жыл бұрын
Why do I feel like I just watched a lost episode of letterkenny. This is great informational content. 👍🏼
@raynapost8522 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see you recite the oru and #tucktec again as it seems they have a pretty extensive redesign on their #tucktec2023. I love my purchase from 2019. Replaced my inflatable with it and definitely not going back. Can’t wait to see if the 2023 is worth buying a new one. Your reviews seem very unbiased and would love to see one on the new design.
@RonK2 жыл бұрын
What a cool review - sure love the Ken twins, hope we gonna see them on another side by side review one day 😀. Excellent video, as always. Thanks!
@veizour Жыл бұрын
Love your review. You made it interesting, informative, and amusing. Great review
@bigbird3420 Жыл бұрын
So I'm just going to pause it as I go. Already your over head footage in the intro Showed me exactly what I have a problem with, with the tucktech. I sway side to side alot, the bow of the boat was regularly dipping, the seat is all the way back, I had a life vest with a small 10lb cooler all under 235 in weight. together. My gf has a oru and we don't have that problem in either. Both very stable. But I just nose dive in the tucktech. I've used it about a dozen. Times and every trip i have alot of drag. Id suggest trying for tucktech to change the rear fold so it doesn't make that pocket that catches water, even with adjusting the skeg I just seemed to spin when not paddling if I had momentum. I've ordered a tandem oru for now. I can single it being so big if need be going in separate ones. Now we have the original tucktech and the original oru, so it's bigger than that inlet. But I agree with your take with this. I do say the other oru models are quite impressive
@katpickering80572 жыл бұрын
One of the best comparison video I have ever seen 👍🏻 I have been lost in the research muck for several months. I’m ordering a TT today 👏TY guys!
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Happy I could help Kat!
@olderthandadirt2 жыл бұрын
So many things to factor in. I was looking at these 2 and chose a third, the Oru Lake that was just introduced through a kickstarter. Shipping to Canada is absolutely crazy on all 3, Tucktec was going to cost me $Cdn 666 and the Lake was $Cdn 815. The Lake is even lighter and easier to assemble than the Inlet. Some struggled with the folding and cotter pins on the Tucktec. That said I am still not sure I made the right choice as the Lake won't ship until August so I will lose a season, and at age 66 there might not be a lot of years I can get in and out of a kayak. I also bought a gel seat.
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Great info! Thanks for sharing. I think you made the right call on the gel seat too. Something to consider this season is renting kayaks. You might find there are some local lakes/rivers with outfitters that let you rent kayaks for the day, and you won't need to deal with transporting them if the outfitter is based on the water.
@kristynbeard61882 жыл бұрын
I also ordered the lake!! I hope it does well. I actually already have a Tucktec but it's too heavy for me. I'm super excited for a
@theheightsrocks Жыл бұрын
Depending on where you are in Canada, you might be better off just renting a mailbox in a border town and picking it up there. I have friends who do that, even factoring the cost of the mailbox it’s a real money saver.
@doggyman12022 жыл бұрын
Great comparison video! Having had one year experience with the Oru Inlet, I think I'll give the Tucktec a go this summer. While the shell of the Oru might stand the test of time, I had a few significant quality issues. Early on, the seat back support brace broke, and I am no more overweight than Ken, or his buddy Ken. Later in the season, one of the snap buckles on the bow literally flew off the boat while snapping the boat into place, and landed in the adjacent pond. Doh! Fortunately, I had gorilla tape handy and used that to hold the bow in place that day. (The tape worked well). I also don't think the orange support braces do much of anything. Other than that, the Oru tracks fine and looks pretty slick folded back together. I wouldn't recommend it to friends at this price point though. The overall quality is just too cheap and flimsy. The Tucktec looks like a much better proposition at half the price.
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Actually... I'm in WAY better shape than my buddy Ken! :) Thanks for sharing your experience with the Inlet.
@Ataraxia_Atom4 ай бұрын
Did you end up getting the tucktec? What do you think about the difference?
@doggyman12024 ай бұрын
@@Ataraxia_Atom I did not but my friend sold her Oru as well and bought the Tucktec. I liked it better than she did, but she struggled with the stiffness, and got rid of it as well before giving it a chance to break-in. She went full circle back to a hard shell, and I'm more than satisfied with my Advanced Elements Airvolution which is the easiest and fastest of the above to get in the water. It paddles great too.
@nhansen1973 ай бұрын
I get to see these kayaks the other day. Someone had bought one of each and liked them well enough to keep both. The Oru is in my opinion the better looking.
@ZekeBriarcliff7 ай бұрын
The fold-ability wins the day over inflatables for me. I love that I can take a one-way trip as a solo paddler and not have any worries about when/where/how to pump up. So long as I can arrange a pick-up at my destination (hello Uber) I'm golden!
@EmpireOfNerds2 жыл бұрын
Just tried my Oru Inlet out in my pool for the first time. Waiting for the wind to die down a bit here in Lathrop, CA but catch me on a lake soon
@blindneutrality48402 жыл бұрын
As a tucktec owner I'm probably biased. I bought mine years ago when there were only 3 color options available and before the neat upgrades. I have to say I don't think you're getting $500 worth of extra value, utility, or durability from the Oru. The Oru looks better and I'd say that's it. You could buy a tucktec for yourself and a friend and that is still cheaper than an Oru.
@hntrains27 ай бұрын
Informative and entertaining; mission accomplished - again! Seeing these two, which do have a few strong points, I am thinking that a packraft is still a better solution: a longer one (a two seater) will track just as well, it will be more comfortable, less wobbly, half the weight of the ORU, and good for nearly any kind of conditions. It will, indeed, be more expensive than the Tucktec, but about the same price as the ORU.
@haleygirl55702 жыл бұрын
Great, thorough review and comparison!
@chrislowe30602 жыл бұрын
I have an inflatable but bought the Oru for the quick set up and lighter weight. For this was important. I live in Seattle and the Puget Sound is only a 1/2 mile from my home and the Oru with its backpack means I can walk to the water and more importantly walk back which involves a pretty steep set of stairs. The other reason I got the Oru is because later this summer I’m doing a 10 day/120 mile paddling trip down the Grand Union Canal in England. Having a light kayak is paramount for this as there are dozens of locks which require you to hop out of the water and walk around. The Oru is so easy to put together and so much more portable that I’ve only taken my inflatable out twice since getting the Oru and that was only because the Sound was pretty choppy those days and the Oru really is strictly for flat water. The one upgrade I did do was the seat. The stock seat becomes painful after two hours. I bought a seat pad from Purple which fits perfectly and has kept me comfortable on 4-5 hour non-stop paddles.
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Wow! Cool trip you have planned! FYI: People are saying Oru is now selling an upgraded gel seat pad. BTW... I think you might be able to paddle through the locks! I did this on a family trip two years ago, and it was super fun. Took a lot longer though... kzbin.info/www/bejne/l5jGi5ymitOVeKc
@joseville Жыл бұрын
That 120 Mike trip sounds awesome! How did it go? Did the kayak hold up well?
@bobbynate42712 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised you didn't say anything about the tucktec easily taking on water at the side. That being said thanks for the review. I've been waiting for a comparison for a while.
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
It's true... they both share that feature, which is why they're both only good for very flat water.
@TheErika7114 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this review excellent job - just got back from Mammoth lakes I'm hooked as a Gal single the Oru is going towards my decision for sure
@berryoaks2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this video/comparison of these two. Great job!
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@jjray192 жыл бұрын
THIS WAS THE REVIEW I NEEDED. My appreciation abounds!
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@cosmicdebris21743 ай бұрын
I'm planning on motorcycle camping soon and I would love to kayak and fish while I'm out, so I'm mainly looking for one that folds up as small as possible.
@olo_chris1k7702 жыл бұрын
Yea. This is going to be my Christmas list. Literally just the one thing lmao
@TOPMOSTPOP2 жыл бұрын
Very good educationall. I carry my Tuktec front basket bicycle. The white color kayak, that will absorb far less heat. Kayaks should be white every time continental USA.
@thaprototype2 жыл бұрын
Love to see ya test the Oru Lake
@Cotivity2 жыл бұрын
I thought briefly about foldables. I do like the angles of the Oru line though...
@flbum57 Жыл бұрын
This is such a fun and entertaining review. I thought that Ken did a great job. Ken was pretty good too.
@PaddleTV Жыл бұрын
Ha! Thanks from both of us.
@adamrshields2 жыл бұрын
Would like to have seen a comparison between the Oru Lake and Tuktuk which are closer in price. The Oru Lake is new and hasn’t been on sale yet and not really in stores like REI yet, but at least theoretically they are about the same price.
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Yup. Looking forward to doing that test, once I can get my hands on the 'Lake'.
@ericm.17922 жыл бұрын
“Back to you Hot Stuff” “Don’t call me that!” 😆 Very informative video. 👍🏽 Thank you
@YouKayTen6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the detailed? honest yet fun review. What is the water intake like on both? I live in the UK and water is cold throughout the year! 🤦♂️😿🥶
@zach69710 ай бұрын
just saw that the 2024 version has a back support that looks more comfy then thus one
@richarde1355 Жыл бұрын
Pretty apparent at 15:25 towards which boat you lean as a winner, er, I mean the preferred boat. 🙂 They both seem great, and it seems like if the Oru were a 10, then the Tucktec is a solid 9. Thanks for creating and sharing this great video!
@doubled50372 жыл бұрын
Hey Ken how about a review on some ultra lite canoes, those that are affordable (,? )as that’s my next purchase. At 67 can’t get the old one up on the car as easy any more. Thanks for sharing ,as always I took away something interesting!!
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
I actually don't know of any Ultra Lite canoes that are 'affordable'! Do you know of any ultra light canoes under $2000? Don't get me wrong... I LOVE ultra light canoes, and I understand the price tag associated with them.
@olderthandadirt2 жыл бұрын
@@PaddleTV The new Oru Lake is 18 lbs, what's ultra lite?
@martfpv2027 Жыл бұрын
Great review thanks! I'm definitely interested in the tucktec
@destroyerofsimps6574 Жыл бұрын
the new 2023 version just came out with some good improvements.
@RG-wy1ol Жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this video I will go with the budget friendly kayak
@joshw.27392 ай бұрын
i feel like these sorts of kayaks would be incredible if you had a route that had a ton of portaging. just close to borderline with the weight capacity depending on pack size and how large you are.
@dovh492 жыл бұрын
Two other "contenders" which kind of fit in this category but not the same are the DIY kayaks. Like Paul Elgin's Coro Kayak II and DIY USA's version 9 (I think is the one he likes). Of course, those are DIY kayaks out of corrugated plastic and probably don't have the durability nor performance of these foldable kayaks - but I could be wrong.
@wisenber2 жыл бұрын
Both look like a really good option for those looking to move slightly up from a pool toy or disposable inflatable and don't have space to store a $300 hardshell rec boat.
@briteidea08 Жыл бұрын
The Tucktec reminds me of the roll up sled I had in the 80’s.
@davypaul86122 жыл бұрын
Oru has a thicker gel seat you can buy for $65 which is a lot better than the stock one
@erissmith8452 жыл бұрын
Unless things have changed, the 10,000 fold claim is dubious at best. My Oru lasted 1 season before it had holes in the seams. 2nd season I used marine glue to plug and patch and that was all the life she had. I bought it when I had a back injury and it was great for portability but I wouldn't buy another one, they're just not durable.
@StarGehzer2 жыл бұрын
I wish you had swamped each kayak & shown the differences in recovery attempts. If full of water I imagine you'd tear these apart trying to tow them to shore.
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
Yes and no... You could empty out most of the water from the water, and then tow/swim them to shore largely empty.
@Lumpypillowcat2 жыл бұрын
Me too! I was hoping to see how to get back in after falling out in the water.
@GetAwake2024 Жыл бұрын
Love my 2021 kayak, I looked at both but I thought the Tucktec material more durable, the price was less than half and the guarantee 3x longer.
@TheRabidfan2 жыл бұрын
Great overviews! Excellent information. Answered all but one of my questions: what about anchorability? Thats important for fishing.
@damianc85512 жыл бұрын
Ken have you tried the modular kayaks like Point65N or the NATSEQ? I know they are a different beasts, not really portable, but I'd be interested in knowing your thoughts on them. Happy paddling!
@PaddleTV2 жыл бұрын
I haven't tried either of the ones you mention yet, but I did review the Pakayak Bluefin 142 this year. Really impressed with it! Here's a link to the video - kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKCbfH6vq7qXf8U
@thejohnleos6 ай бұрын
I ordered a Oru today. Ordered 2 tucktecs and had them both leak in the bow on their first outing. Tried to give them a 3rd chance but they don’t ship to Japan, where I’m now stationed.
@PaddleTV6 ай бұрын
Hope the Oru works out for you!
@MiketheBassMan Жыл бұрын
I was going to buy a pair of Oru Inlets at a local store, but they couldn't sell me two because 6 out of 7 of the boats they had were broken when delivered to the store. I don't know if there's a quality issue or supply chain problem, but I got scared off of them. I ordered Tucktecs instead, hope they're good when they arrive!
@PaddleTV Жыл бұрын
Hope you love 'em!
@StephenCinAZ8 ай бұрын
Just a note: I don't know if it changed over the past year, but Oru also offers a three-year warranty according to their website.
@PaddleTV7 ай бұрын
Good to know! I just tested another Oru Kayak (Coast XT) and really liked it too. They definitely make great product!
@leonardomartino39232 жыл бұрын
any thoughts about the Terravent folding kayaks?
@BushKayakersCampingAustralia3 ай бұрын
IMO the Tucktec is the more practical kayak its more durable and has a 3 year warranty . having watched reviews on the Oru kayaks they do have durability problems so are not reliable . only disadvantage of the Tucktec is its heavier and not as pretty . maybe those loose parts Ken was talking about , put them together in a bag and clip it onto the kayak somewhere practical . Personally I would opt for the Tucktek but luckily I dont have to make the decision as my touring kayaks are very suitable for our lifestyle and the kayak camping trips we do