Pagani Design PD-1661 vs Rolex Submariner Date 116610LN 4K Watch Review

[@watchreviews4k]

Pagani Design PD-1661: www.pagani.design/product-tag/pd-1661/

[@propblast82nd]

Are they currently using genuine Seiko movements ?

[@watchreviews4k]

@@propblast82nd Thank you for watching. There is currently a shortage of NH35A movements in China; so Pagani Design have switched back to using the Miyota 8205 in their PD-1661. Regards, #WR4K

[@fakhrulhadi7414]

@@propblast82nd Yes, but some models will have the Miyota movement fitted instead, just like mine does. You might want to consult the seller first.

[@watchreviews4k]

@@shadigif8916 Thank you for watching Shadi. Glad you enjoyed it. Regards, #WR4K

[@shadigif8916]

dose the Pagani Design PD-1661 use a Chinese copy of the Seiko movement ?

[@FWYGANOWSKI]

Clearly the rolex is a homage of the elusive Pagani Design.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Glad you enjoyed it. Regards.

[@angelvalle9963]

Lolz

[@watchreviews4k]

@@angelvalle9963 Thank you for watching. Regards, #WR4K

[@BedoNBeyoo]

Hahaahahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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@@BedoNBeyoo Thank you for watching. Regards, #WR4K

[@markthomas741]

What a fascinating, outstanding and informative review. I recently sold my Rolex steel and gold Submariner date it sat in a safety deposit box for nearly twenty years as I considered it too valuable to wear based on where I live. I very recently bought a Steeldive 1953 which I wear regularly without reservation. Since discovering these Chinese made 'homage' watches there is now no going back for me I have already added many Pagani's etc to my collection. 👍👍

[@watchreviews4k]

See link below to my SD1953 review, it may interest you. Regards, #WR4K kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6DNoH-induNn5Y

[@yuenwailai6360]

Pagani watches (and g shocks) are my favorites. Cheap, reliable, good looking, decent quality. I could afford a rolex, i just don't like to spend stupid money and i don't need approval from anyone. The watch snobs looking down on other people... says enough about what kind of person you are

[@notyourtypicalwatchreview2563]

Right on.

[@MrPhotographerDude]

So you bought the Rolex knock off instead? LOL! Makes no sense. I understand not wanting to spend money for the approval of snobs, but buying the knock off version is very ironic to say the least.

[@dangermartin69]

@@MrPhotographerDude Not if you really like the look of it.

[@dxfordummies]

I agree. I could afford a Rolie, But choose to spend my money elsewhere. I can buy 6 of these in all different finishes for 1/10 of one. Plus, cheaper to service an nh35

[@yuenwailai6360]

@@MrPhotographerDude Actually i haven't even bought this model because i didn't like the look of it, "Rolex" or not. I bought the moonwatch v4 and an another automatic one, i dont care what they homage. I only care about the look and specs (and usually price too, bit not with PD😊)

[@bobhossack6432]

I have several Pagani watches and they are unbelievably good value and quality for the money. Rolex are a complete waste of money in my humble opinion.

[@DamianMathew]

Pagani is a watch with function. Rolex is kind of like a wearable stock.

[@vidsbfree4me]

Agreed, The Pagani and similar are of great value. However, with Rolex, you can park your Capital and get it back at a later date should the need arise. Akin to art work, real-estate and precious metals.

[@Fisheart2000]

I have a Rolex I bought 2years ago and lately have been seeing so many different comments on PAGANI, I finally got one pagani to do my personal comparison and I was wow 😮. I strongly believe as times goes on, people will values pagani and other brands more.

[@stillltippin5758]

It is incredible how precise and perfect they can get the fit and finish of a Pagani design watch for its price. I would be infuriated if I purchased a Rolex for near 10000 USD and found out just how good a Pagani design watch is for its price.

[@omoniyikaye]

I concur and It’s funny I just realised I paid for the Pagani watch in Pepsi £31.38 including tax.

[@matthewbailey6017]

Best review I have ever seen for any product period! For a Rolex owner you certainly did not have a biased opinion. Very well done, Sir. What really got me is when you mentioned the very little known fact that Rolex is a nonprofit organization that obviously is set up to avoid paying high taxes. In doing so, they can pay their executives insanely high salaries. (as long as they don’t show a profit) I have no problem with companies paying high salaries but don’t do it under the guise of being a not for profit company. When you think of nonprofit organizations you think of churches etc… not luxury watch companies.

[@rsz90182]

I know a person who bought a Rolex and I got my son a Pagani! It is super nice and did not ding the wallet, also he wears it to school every day and is not worried about scratching or causing any wear to the watch. A Rolex would be locked in my jewelry case if I owned one!!! LOL.

[@Donnybrook10]

The Paganis are a great watch to learn watch servicing. I take all my watches apart, put them through a cleaning machine and reassemble/lube and repair whenever required.

[@mikemcnice3868]

A striking and honest review. Is Rolex a better watch? Surely. Is it overpriced? Definitely. "We are Rolex and we'll make you pay as much as we please for our watches". All there is to it.

[@targaflorio3239]

Excellent breakdown. Pagani is so underrated. Great bang for buck.

[@ahheng6402]

I rather buy a Good Pagani Design model watch than a Rolex. Not that I do not respect Rolex legacy & values but I can make good use of the money saved.

[@notyourtypicalwatchreview2563]

Right on.

[@musashi1319]

I like my PD-1661. Soon it will be three years since I started using it.The appearance of the Rolex Submariner is copied by many "common" manufacturers like Orient, Casio, so I don't feel like I'm using a "fake" Rolex. Affordable quality, for an affordable price. Buying a Rolex Submariner only makes sense when you buy it for investment or you want to snoop.

[@saymyname218]

I would always get more satisfaction wearing the Pagani over the Rolex..........."If i got mugged!"

[@Donnybrook10]

My Pagani had extremely sharp case corners which required stoning and sanding to make it wearable. The lume is trash which is a huge disappointment. The performance has consistently maintained accuracy at roughly 3 secs per day out of the box. It's a very good watch for the money.

[@AntenneAC-ln4nm]

Hi John, So, this beautiful Sub-Hommage costs only about 0.5 % of its Idol? - With Sapphire and Seiko-Automatic and a SS-Bracelet? - Wow.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Achim. Glad you enjoyed it. Regards.

[@eucitizen78]

Just the fact that both watches are comparable shows that Rolex marketing concept comes close to a criminal act.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Regards, #WR4K

[@TimothyMoore]

I like using the Pagani(s) for mods. To buy all the parts separately for sub homages would cost me over $300. Pagani gives me most of what I need for under $100 bucks. It's a great bargain, especially for a modder.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Timothy. Also check out my modified PD-1661 videos, they may interest you. Regards.

[@jb678901]

I have had my Rolex 16613 Submariner since 1998. My newest daily driver is a SteelDive SD 1953 (Submariner homage, all green HULK face/dial) for US$100 with an after-market all-brushed solid link bracelet for another $28. Honestly...and I really like my Rolex...the SteelDive is an absolute pleasure to own. Ceramic bezel-check. Sapphire crystal-check. Dependable automatic mechanism (Seiko NH 35A)-check. Excellent watch and terrific value-for-money...no question about that. I spent about $1100 late last year to have my Rolex serviced...it required some serious maintenance after all of these years of routine use. It came back like new.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Congratulations. The 16613 is an iconic piece. Wear yours in good health. I also bought my first Rolex Submariner 14060M in 1998. I think its a growing trend, Rolex owners buying low-tier brands made in China. Chinese made watches have really improved in quality in recent years. The other factor is Rolex watches have changed into investment pieces, which has reduced the feel good factor of wearing them. So wearing low-tier pieces one can enjoy wearing the watch hard, and not worry about damage. Regards, #WR4K

[@jb678901]

@@watchreviews4k Exactly. I also value my arm, more than any watch, when on travel!

[@ultimaetsolder]

Can you pls give me a link to the bracelet you bought? Thank you.

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@@ultimaetsolder Thank you for watching. Regards, #WR4K

[@Alias_Anybody]

Just got my black Addiesdive Submariner and I have to say... Sometimes, Quartz is the real luxury.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Congratulations. Wear it in good health. Regards.

[@MiksUnscripted]

I was going to buy used Rolex and after watching this video i am going to buy two three pagana watches different models❤

[@dunderhay9169]

A very thorough, well reasoned and fair review 👍 . Is the Rolex better, yes, but the Pagani gets remarkably close for 1/10 the price of a Rolex service! I wore a Datejust for over 20 years daily and it was a great watch, but the price of servicing rose from £150 to £500+. Some poor customer service made me realise that there are many other companies out there making watches with similar capabilities to Rolex for a fraction of the cost. I won't wear a homage, so a Pagani isn't for me, but I am now enjoying wearing an alternative automatic watch that cost under £100.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Glad you enjoyed it. I bought my first Submariner 14060M 22 years ago; after 2 years saving up the £2500 to buy a preowned one. Over the years I have owned several Submariner Date's. However since the internet, the grey market has negatively changed Rolex AD's. Also from the ceramic era 2010's onwards; the Submariner Date changed from being a well made tool watch; to being an investment piece, flipped on the grey market at profit, rather than a piece worn by collectors worn for a lifetime and passed down to their son. I am guilty of this myself as I sold my Hulk in 2018 at profit, and also my 114060 in 2019. I then used to the profit to buy this 116610LN. So I like the watch, but abhor the Rolex AD's for directly supplying grey market dealers, and VIP customers; rather than genuine collectors. However one has to accept that is just the way the watch market is now. Regards.

[@dunderhay9169]

@@watchreviews4k It is sad, but it has happened to many respected brands, at least Rolex don't have a theme park and naff merchandise like Ferrari! Good to hear you made money on your Rolex watches, mine is quite battered and Rolex over polished the case before I realised I should tell them not to. The jubilee literally wore out, so it wouldn't sell for much even if I wanted to sell it.

[@coaldust01]

Nice to see some honest opinions expressed for a change, Even the highest tier watch snob has to appreciate how much watch you can get now for very little money. Can't go wrong with the budget Seiko or miyota movements as well, They are reliable workhorses. The pagani may not have the social status of the rolex but it's still a beautiful watch that can be worn with less worry about losing or being stolen etc.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Glad you enjoyed it. The problem with many Rolex fanboys is they are unable to look at other watches objectively, rather than with bias. I only own one watch; my Rolex Oyster Perpetual 41. However I also appreciate low-tier, and mid-tier pieces too. I have reviewed everything on my channel from a 10 Euro Casio F-91W to my Rolex Submariner Date. I give every watch a fair chance to meet my criteria of being; "both excellent quality and excellent value at the respective price point". A Rolex fanboy would never admit the PD-1661 is a good watch for under 100 Euro; but that is the reality. You make a good point about; "less worry about losing or being stolen etc." The truth is, there is more feel good factor wearing a piece one doesn't have to worry about. Damaging or losing a PD-1661 is no problem, as they are inexpensive to replace. That means one can really relax and enjoy wearing the watch. Ironically sometimes the least expensive watch can give the most feel good factor. Regards.

[@Kevins-Philippine-Retirement]

@@watchreviews4k my Vintage Datejust stays in the case and my new Seiko 5 Sport, steel "Oyster" style bracelet stays on my wrist day and night here in the Philippines. The question is this: Are you relaxed and comfortable wearing a very nice watch every day everywhere, even the shadiest places? If not, you are simply a watch nerd or snob and don't truly enjoy your beautiful timepiece.

[@martynm.449]

I really appreciate your honest and genuine opinions. Pagani has actually trumped Rolex in several areas!! Who would have thought it? The Swiss really need to up their game.

[@ATOMSKI_MRAV]

I love the honesty in this video. This turned me to a Pagani 1661. While I was very weary a about getting a Chinese made homage watch, I have to say the plus side is the NH35 Seiko movement. If this watch holds up for a couple of years, it'll pay for itself.

[@halildemir5453]

I got 2 Pagani design GMT models and order the 3'th 1 and works very good on time and they think its Rolex

[@agprime]

Finally someone said the truth about Rolex

[@HarryUnchained]

That's why I hesitate to pay over $1k for watches. Only a few brands deserve the high price tags in my opinion and Grand Seiko is one comes to mind.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Agreed, Grand Seiko Zaratsu case polishing is top-tier quality, like Patek Philippe. Also Grand Seiko hand finishing is many levels above Rolex. Regards.

[@buxz777]

Personally I’d take 5x pagani and wear the life out of them and go make some nice memories with a lovely holiday instead of the Rolex but everyone is different 🤷🏻‍♂️ The first scratch on the Rolex would kill my little soul as would the service charges lol 😂

[@Aggie4life77]

My thing is that I get the Rolex has a better movement, but outside of that, the other that looks exactly the same can be had for $75 to $100. With that said, even if it breaks after some years, you could just easily buy another! The only thing the Rolex has going for it is that it could increase in value or at least hold most of its value and you can sell it later.

[@morphilou]

you buy a watch at 300 euros and you keep all your life

[@MyName-nx1jj]

My Casio is 30X more accurate than the Rolex, the power reserve is 86,400 hours, and the cost is 242 times less. So which watch is better?

[@morphilou]

except that it is not a watch but a electronic system

[@robertsmith2300]

You're comparing 2 completely different things

[@greekpapi]

Been wearing one of these to work for the past 3 years and so far no scratches on the bezel or the crystal but the clasp gets plenty scratched up. Keeps really good time and so far no leaks. Im happy with it!!!

[@LEORedSun]

I remember years ago they had these cheap Rolex knock offs but the quality was very poor. Just bought a Pagani and like this video described the quality is superb. Let me tell you Rolex is in trouble. For those who wants a Rolex, they will still buy one but for me I rather buy ten Pagani than an overpriced Rolex today.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Leo. Congratulations. Excellent choice. Wear yours in good health. Regards, #WR4K

[@ricklynn6176]

You could buy more like 130-150 Pagani watches for the price of today’s Rolex Sub. And good luck even getting one right now.. these Pd-1639 watches WILL go up in price as more people become aware of theme! Just watch..

[@watchreviews4k]

@@ricklynn6176 Thank you for watching Rick. Regards, #WR4K

[@JonathanNelson-nelsonj3]

To your point about the diver extension on the Pagani clasp, I have replaced the clasp on my PD-1662 with a Bliger. Works great, and has made me love my favorite watch even more. Thank you for cluing me into this.

[@thistleclockworks1292]

Excellent comparison. I don’t brill ever own such a piece, but I own the Pagani DeepSea Dweller homage and it’s pleasing to see your unbiased and fair evaluation of the two timepieces. Thanks for validating the Rolex alternative. Cheers!

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Garth. Glad you enjoyed it. Regards.

[@rosstisbury1626]

Ordered a Pagani after watching this vid . . Cheers R.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Ross. Congratulations. Excellent choice. Wear yours in good health. Regards, #WR4K

[@omoniyikaye]

AMAZING JUST PAID £31.38 FOR THE SAME WATCH IN PEPSI AND 4 OTHER PAGANI WATCHES AT RIDICULOUS PRICES TAKING MY PAGANI COLLECTION TO 7...I HAVE 13 OTHERS IN THE CART PROBABLY WILL TAKE 3YRS TO BUY THEM ALL.

[@willywantoknow2563]

I am perfectly ok owning the PD submariner, looks great, feels great, and saved me a few thousand dollars i didnt have in the first place.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Regards, #WR4K

[@davidsparling3505]

Simply one of the best comparison videos I have EVER viewed. Magnificent effort, sir!

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching David. Glad you enjoyed it. Regards.

[@motorbikeray]

Comparing a $100 watch to an $8,000 watch says a lot about the $100 watch and says poorly about the $8,000 watch.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Also check out my latest State Of The Collection video. It may interest you. Regards, #WR4K

[@davidclarke1731]

The Omega seamaster 300m 42mm ,is a fantastic watch it has everything the Rolex has and more ,such as exhibition case back more accurate movement and half the price!!!

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching David. Check out my Omega Seamaster 300m review below, it may interest you. Regards, #WR4K kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHbMXn2HpceZrKM

[@mojoe7951]

Excellent comparison video. I’ve been waiting for one of these. Really enjoyed watching this.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching joe. Glad you enjoyed it. Regards.

[@edwinthompson159]

excellent review - it amazes me that such a comparison can even be made between these two pieces - I ordered a Pagani Exp 2 homage just so I can compare it to my Rolex -- I find it amazing the quality of the Pagani's.

[@politicman1]

Very informative review on both the Pagani Design versus the Rolex Submariner, you really know your stuff! I recently bought a black Pagani Design PD-1644 Daytona homage, and let me tell you, the fit and finish of this watch is incredible, not to mention the sapphire crystal, ceramic bezel and 316L stainless steel your getting for under a $100.00! By the way, I also recently bought a San Martin V3 Hulk Submariner homage, and the fit and finish of that watch is amazing!

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Glad you enjoyed it. Congratulations. Excellent choices. Also check out my modified PD-1661 videos, they may interest you. Wear your pieces in good health. Regards.

[@2K9s]

I’ll admit that pressing down slightly while turning the bezel, as directed by the horologist, works well.. at least for my aluminum.

[@jasonlepage7915]

Awesome review , , , i just ordered a PAGANI SUBMARINER from ALIEXPRESS and it is on it's way to me as we speak , , i really like your honesty and judgement of the watches and it makes your review even more honest and impressive because you actually own a real ROLEX SUBMARINER , , , and i agree with you the Rolex should not be priced at around $ 10 , 000 dollars , , , probably paying most of that for the name as well , , , you also picked up on/noticed something i think Rolex is overlooking and that is the back of the watch , , why Rolex would not display the internal workings of the watch with a clear display back is beyond me , , , i think that is a real oversight on their part , , , they are missing a big opportunity to display/show-case more of the watch .

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Jason. Glad you enjoyed it. Congratulations. Excellent choice. Agreed, Rolex should be using exhibition case backs as per the Omega Seamaster. I also like to see the movement through the caseback; which is something I like about the PD-1661; even though the NH35A is undecorated, it is nice to see it winding. The crystal in the case back is flat and smooth so makes the watch very comfortable to wear too. Wear yours in good health. Regards, #WR4K

[@SM-hj1fl]

Rolex has pissed away it's reputation among many watch lovers based on the way they do business. Pagani has more dignity than Rolex these days. Give these a look, they are pretty damn nice for the price and this is coming from someone who knows tons of Swiss watches.

[@chriskelly509]

After watching these videos the only people really upset about these are people who are paying thousands of dollars for their watch 😆

[@keefs3941]

Excellent review ,you made the Pagani feel like a star next to the way overpriced and hyped Rolex Sub

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Glad you enjoyed it. Also check out my other PD-1661 reviews. They may interest you. Regards.

[@perrysaker1526]

The only difference as far as I'm concerned is that you can sell the Rolex and hopefully make some money, well as for the pagani should may get half your money back on ebay.. Even if I was a millionaire I would still buy the pagani, I own a pagani and they are great watches . Probably the best budget watch out there for what you get!!

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Perry. Wear yours in good health. Regards, #WR4K

[@saijinkai]

You'll most likely think and do different when you become a millionaire.

[@watchreviews4k]

@@saijinkai Thank you for watching. Regards, #WR4K

[@patricj951]

Thanks for the comparison. I want a Rolex homage and have had hard to decide between Steinhart and Squale. Steinhart is since many years criticized for too straight lugs and Squale is criticized for bad lume. Pagani has better lug design than Steinhart and maybe not better lume than Squale. For the price of 1 Steinhart or Squale I get 3 or 4 Paganis! And by looking on the video I can see that Pagani has a great finish for the price. Adding to that a Seiko movement, sapphire crystal and ceramic bezel: Pagani is a bargain!

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Patric. Glad you enjoyed it. Also check out my Steinhart Ocean One 39 review, it may interest you. Regards, #WR4K

[@patricj951]

@@watchreviews4k I think I have seen the video you mean. I commented to it and you replied! Regarding Pagani I think: the lume may be bad and I think it's worse than the lume of Squale. I like strong lume but it's not very important. And for the price of Pagani: there are bracelets more expensive than the price of a complete Pagani watch! I really can overlook a bad lume in this case.

[@patricj951]

By the way: I am just a bit wondering here. This model uses Seiko NH35 movement, while other use Pearl 5833 gmt, which is chinese, if I got it right. Is the chinese movement reliable?

[@watchreviews4k]

@@patricj951 The NH35A is made in Japan. It is reliable. The Pearl DG5833GMT movement is made in China. It is the luck of the draw if one gets a good or bad one. The build quality, and Quality Control, are not as good. Regards, #WR4K

[@laurentsantamaria2296]

Hi everyone, thank you for this great video! ROLEX quality is beyond reach and that is undeniable. However, he is completely stupid not to recognize that this PAGANI is still incredible for its price! Personally I also prefer people who will buy a "ROLEX tribute" PAGANI rather than a clone fake. I don't tolerate fake , only just to leave them lying around in plain view in a dressing room for possible break-ins.

[@johnfoster2592]

If you have the funds, buy the Rolex. It's the best, the reference for all others. " One ring to rule them all." Great video!

[@JohnBowl14690]

Rolex is in a league of it's own because nobody buys Rolex for quality. It's really more a status symbol. If you want a better watch, just get a quartz. It's way cheaper, more accurate and better. But if you want to show off, Rolex is the standard. I agree, they are the standard.

[@watchreviews4k]

Check out my November 2024 State Of The Collection review below, it may interest you. Regards, #WR4K kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2G7ZGCvmLB5iaM

[@seanhickling7340]

I have the both the Pagani NTTD Omega & the submariner homages. I do love both of them although if possible I would purchase the official Omega. With the submariner I'm happy with the Pagani and couldn't give a damn about replacing it with the real Rolex 🤷‍♂️

[@NeurosenkavalierEmilSinclair]

I think the platinum numbers on the brzel are way better looking than the paint. I own the pagani and i really hate the white popping that much. Also the bezel is crap in my opinion; mine is about half a year old but it has back play and it way to light. If you touch something with it, it will rotate. I own the Invicta retro rolex hommage (without date etc.) and the bezel is way better at a similar pricepoint. Another problem are the hour markers on the pagani. They are just a little bit too small, which destroys the overall appearance of the face. Also i don'z understand how you can use 3 different tones of thite ror the logo, the hour narkers and the numbers on the bezel. Its not a big deal but in my eyes I don't see the point; its not that I would cost more to just use 2 different colora instead of 3. The logo is another story.. it looks way to sporty for me. Lets be clear: I'm a cheap watch fanboy and I love that watch for its value for money. And I do wear it a lot, because its a good one and I never have fear of losing money then I accidently scratch it somewhere. Its really robust too - the bracelet looks totally beat up after just half a year but the watch itself looks brand new. But there are a few things which could be fixed very easy and I'd totally pay 10$ more if for example the bezel action was just a little better. These things make an overall good looking and performing watch look cheap.

[@morphilou]

pagani > steinhart > sugess > davosa > rolex >ginault yes 1 ginault sub is better that rolex

[@AnthonyLauder]

A wonderful video, with a very honest comparison. Thanks for this. Out of curiosity, I looked up the price of replacement parts for the Rolex, and found that just the crown costs $175. Astonishing that Pagani Design produce a whole watch for well under half that.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Anthony. Glad you enjoyed it. Agreed, there is a huge profit margin on Rolex parts. Regards.

[@grahambroughton4416]

I've always said rolex is so over priced it's madness, if it wasn't for bond wearing a sub in a few films it made the submariner an icon , and after the first bond film when bond was sporting his own sub straight away rolex sold out all submariners, coincidence? No it was very good marketing it's was a good marriage bond and rolex.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Graham. Agreed, Sean Connery wearing the 6538 did massively increase the sales of the Submariner, as did Roger Moore wearing the 5515. The latter was the watch that made me want to own a Submariner when I was 19 years old. It took me 2 years of saving from 19-21 to have the £2500 GBP needed to buy a pre-owned 14060M. Over the years I have owned several Submariner Dates (see my 116610LN review). However now at 44 my tastes have changed, and I have an Oyster Perpetual 41. There is an interesting interview on the London Real KZbin channel with Jean-Claude Biver. He talks about EON Productions being paid by Omega to place the Seamaster in the Pearse Brosnan films. It may interest you. Regards, #WR4K

[@samwang5831]

The cyclop used to be a differentiator. Most of the homages used a lower magnification cyclop. This one seems to be on par with the Rolex but it looks like it is slightly mis-aligned with the date window.

[@jeepnicc]

Nice comparison video. Thanks very much for sharing. Since you mentioned the brand, (several times actually,) my Steinhart Ocean vintage Military 42mm is an AMAZING watch. And I was able to accommodate said piece for 250 U. S. dollars, in as-new condition, from an e-bay seller.... Lucky me!

[@watchreviews4k]

Congratulations. Excellent choice. Wear yours in good health. Check out my Ocean One 39 Starbucks review below, it may interest you. Regards, #WR4K kzbin.info/www/bejne/npKZhXp4hqmKhrc

[@graybeard7408]

Main difference is the Rolex costs 100 times more, if you can find one for sale.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Regards, #WR4K

[@Marco-uh8er]

I have never EVER been that interested in a video , you have a something special . Keep going , you have a new subscriber !

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Marco. Glad you enjoyed it. Wear your pieces in good health. Regards, #WR4K

[@vagnersergio5342]

Traduzindo compra um Pagani que semelhante ao rolex e ainda custa bem mais barato Pagani tá de parabéns muito bem construído e com uma máquina de primeira da Seiko....... preço acessível......

[@watchreviews4k]

Obrigado por assistir. Atenciosamente, # WR4K

[@deimos871102]

And I love my Cronos L6005 V2, AR coating, bw9 superluminova, pt5000 super accurate movement, glidelock is of high standards. WR4K reviewed that watch, it is almost a duplicate

[@alferro3149]

Pagani are hitting a nerve of some Rolex disciples, bless them.

[@MrPhotographerDude]

So you're cool with plagiarism? LOL!

[@maxpower7086]

If you just like the look of the watch then you would have to be out of your tree to pay £10k for it.

[@benfoust7424]

I have this Pagani and three others, love them!

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Ben. Congratulations. Excellent choice. Wear yours in good health. Regards.

[@Infinitiivinen]

Look at gaps between in the bracelet on pagani vs rolex. There is lots of small quality differences. Almost endless. And the brushing and polishing, there is difference.

[@RonaiHenrik]

so you go ahead and buy the 12k Rolex then. If I want a good watch that looks like this I'll buy the 65 EUR Pagani. And yes, I have other watches, for example a Longines.

[@YNGWIE998]

Yes there is a difference...8585 Euros difference. Sure you get superior engineering and quality with the Rolex, BUT do you get 8585 Euros difference? Like everything in today's world, you are paying A LOT just for the name.

[@nselleck0309]

I like the polish better on the pagani.

[@MyNameIsGhost]

I'll be honest i was intially impressed with Pagani, but after seeing sugess idk man....its much nicer for a lil more

[@Varocka]

not sure where you are seeing sugess watches for a "lil more", as far as i can see theyre minimum 3x the price of the pagani watches.

[@soyman5392]

as impressive as the bezel is on the Sugess, the movement is prone to problems

[@morphilou]

@@Varocka i have a sugess and it is 90% QUALITY ROLEX

[@morphilou]

@@soyman5392 NO FOR ME ==> she loose 63sec by month and already 2 years

[@cvheugten]

Just bought the PD-1661. And subscribed to your channel.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Carel. Congratulations. Excellent choice. Wear yours in good health. Regards, #WR4K

[@cvheugten]

@@watchreviews4k It has another movement, the Miyota Caliber 8215. Testing the reliability and accuracy of that movement. My first impression is that it is a solid movement. Miyota is a Citizen related company, so good value there, In one day it is impossible to see any time difference. From what I see I would say 5 sec per day difference. Same as your watch. The looks of the PD-1661: excellent!

[@voldemarsozols131]

PAGANI DESIGN - TOP.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Regards.

[@volvot5boy]

Just been looking at the Pagani and I think you’ve convinced me to get one 👍

[@dazlarg]

Excellent unbiased and honest review my friend.. you are a rare breed. Far too many fanboys out there for sure elevating the price of Rolex.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Glad you enjoyed it. Regards, #WR4K

[@bernardbarroga1497]

You know which one is the “real deal” if you see a soft cloth on the table so you don’t scratch it during the filming!!😂😂😂 I’ll probably get the Pagani during the sale.😜Great review as always.👍🏼

[@marioperera5082]

Very well reviewed. Extremely thorough analysis of both watches 👍👍👍

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Mario. Glad you enjoyed it. Also check out my San Martin SN017 review, and Rolex Kermit review; they may interest you. Regards, #WR4K

[@b.2221]

This and the video from Brave Beaters watch comparison are two of the most enjoyable videos on KZbin well done Sir 👍 Tam.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Tam. Glad you enjoyed it. Wear your pieces in good health. Regards.

[@v.t.3194]

9.900$ additional price for the Rolex and you have to point out quality differences under the microscope in order to realize them. 😂

[@ryanorionwotanson4568]

They look like the exact sane thing with different logos😮 , its incredible.

[@t4h1r]

I got Pagani Design PD1662 (Pepsi homage) and now thinking about Pd1682 (Polar Explorer 2 homage)

[@johngreene8856]

Amazing review, especially at the end when the watches were in the opposite hand and referenced incorrectly. Makes me want to go out and buy a Pagani.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching John. Regards, #WR4K

[@securitybase3430]

The Invicta Pro Divers #9937 & the #8926OB & The Pagani #1661 put the Rolex Sub to shame😅

[@chriskelly509]

Absolutely 💯

[@quimblyjones9767]

It hit me that there is very little difference between them at any distance... Amazing quality coming out of China these days.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Quimbly. Regards.

[@martinowl]

Just ordered a 1661 in the 11/11 sale. Fitted with a miyota 8215, non hacking was not a deal breaker.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Martin. Congratulations. Excellent choice. Wear yours in good health. Regards, #WR4K

[@mubarak3457]

Since for just 80$ Pagani can come up with a really decent watch it shows you that a Submariner doesn’t cost for Rolex more than 300$ to produce ,meaning that their margin is really really high .,...

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Regards.

[@Luceked]

The submainer probably costs more than 300$ to produce, but still definetely cost half of its price or less to produce.

[@watchreviews4k]

@@Luceked Thank you for watching. Regards.

[@soggz4246]

I like the Pagani best,if I’m honest…

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Regards, #WR4K

[@abes.4040]

I own a PD and the lumme is pretty readable in total darkness. It might not show well on video and compared to the Rolex.

[@abellustgarten4002]

I have my black Pagani Design 43 mm and I have the Hulk underway....For $100 I just love them...

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Abel. Congratulations. Wear yours in good health. Regards.

[@Kevins-Philippine-Retirement]

Very excellent and comprehensive comparison. I like haw you compared the actual physical value towards the end of the video, and respective profit margins. That turns many non-snobs from Rolex. I myself have a beloved Datejust, but recently with no loss of pride purchased an excellent quality replica ("fake") Submariner for $50USD delivered, skipping the homage options completely, to somewhat so to say... punish Rolex. I do not scuba dive, but use it snorkeling to several metres depth. I also have livestock and it has come into contact with high pressure hose water streams. There has been no ill effects so far. I also have a bit of fun with friends before I chuckle and tell them what I paid for it.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Kevin. I have a policy of not discussing counterfeit watches on my channel. Regards, #WR4K

[@Kevins-Philippine-Retirement]

@@watchreviews4k Everyone copies from everyone else and calculates the liabilities. This is a cut throat world, and while I am usually very loyal to the hard work that many people put into developing unique products, I have lost all loyalties to many organizations such as Rolex for their unethical practices in their marketing to inflate the brand. Devil's grief to them. Make your bed and lie in it 🤣

[@watchreviews4k]

"Everyone copies from everyone else and calculates the liabilities." You are mistaken. Many watch brands have their own original designs. Regards, #WR4K

[@Kevins-Philippine-Retirement]

@@watchreviews4k Ok

[@TheRobynhud]

CHEERS, nice work. I am extremely happy with my Pagani homage watches,they give me much joy. I spent the rest of my money on a Roadster automobile . The two go nicely. Enjoy your hobby and thankyou for the imformative video's.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Glad you enjoyed it. Also check out my other Pagani Design reviews, they may interest you. Wear yours in good health. Regards, #WR4K

[@Watch_your_Money]

The best Submariner review I've seen as it compares it to a high quality homage. And even for 2.000 euros, it is still more than 20 times de costo of the Pagani...

[@morphilou]

the best hommage it is ginault

[@user-qs7dp6yb2x]

I really like the review. Not only because you don't straight up bash the clone, rather treating it as any other watch, comparing to Rolex, but also because it feels honest. Rolex uses their own, probably patented way of adding the platinum to the ceramic, which is technologically very impressive, but you are "tbh, I like this paint on a 80 dollar watch ". This review is probably as honest as it gets. Watching some others', the movement is "I don't know how robust it is" but when it's exactly the same movement in a branded watch - "you know it's Seiko's movement, it's robust, c'mon". Or "I recommend a watch with heritage" vast vast majority of people buying don't care about heritage, as they shouldnt imo, you are buying a watch, not the company. Same way as ordinary people don't care about the 2 or 4 or however much mm difference. People are buying designer watches that look like a plate on their wrist, yet they think it looks good. This "everyday watches need to be under 52mm lug to lug or 42 or under in diameter" bs doesn't exist outside of our watch world. Anyway, thanks for the review. It was great.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Glad you enjoyed it. Check out my other Pagani Design reviews; they may interest you. Also check my modified versions. Pagani Design will be making my Explorer one this year. Regards.

[@user-qs7dp6yb2x]

Watch Reviews 4K will do, thanks. Your video doesn't come up high in the search for some reason. Maybe the thumbnail isn't as attractive to viewers? Or the tags?

[@user-qs7dp6yb2x]

Watch Reviews 4K btw do you know if the bezel mechanism(?) can be modded/replaced? As in keeping the bezel and the insert, but mod it so it sounds and operates in a more pleasing way, also to deal with backplay. Have only seen people changing the insert or the bezel itself.

[@watchreviews4k]

@@user-qs7dp6yb2x Yes, one can remove the bezel from the case, and bend the spring tighter to increase friction; thus reducing backplay. See the bezel removal tool I recommend below. This prises the bezel off with four equal pressure points; which avoids deformation. Using a case knife at one point requires more leverage, therefore denting the case, and deforming the bezel. Regards. www.amazon.co.uk/Ecarke-Repair-Removal-Adjustable-Workbench/dp/B08R79MZLG/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=watch+bezel+tool&qid=1615996080&sr=8-5

[@watchreviews4k]

@@user-qs7dp6yb2x Very few collectors search for "Pagani Design modding" videos; hence the videos being lower in the rankings than "Seiko modding" searches which are more frequently searched. If my video titles, and keyword hashtags were "Seiko modding" rather than "Pagani Design modding" they would gain more views, as the algorithms rank Seiko content higher than Pagani Design content. The thumbnail doesn't make any difference to the ranking. The algorithms weight the content on a number of factors; number of interactions, number of searches, number of likes, like to dislike ratio, number of views, number of impressions. All of these push the content up the rankings, regardless of what the thumbnail, or keyword hashtags are. Regards.

[@scollyutube]

Excellent summary. 6 weeks now since ordering a Pagani on Aliexpress. Not sure if it's going to turn up. China to NZ.....tracking says left China and...... Might have to give factory direct a go.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Glad you enjoyed it. This one took one month to arrive from China; and I get them direct from their factory in Guangzhou. I have found that is typical for the resellers on AliExpress too. The bottleneck is often the Leige delivery hub in Belgium. The shipping from China to Liege is fast; but then PostNL take weeks to process the parcel. I hope you get yours soon. Regards.

[@LamarFaciane]

Please come back!! Nobody is as thorough as you are. I hope you are well.

[@GRexOsnaRap]

I have 3 PD watches now and i am realy happy with them ( i got a GMT Homage , a Daytona Homage and the Submariner Homage ) . Its nice to know that PD improves thair waches and listens to the customers complains. I also think it would be nice if they would use Super - Luminova , i defently would pay more for that. I would have payed over 50k if i had the originals so im realy sadisfied.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Congratulations. Excellent choices. Wear pieces in good health. Agreed, many collectors would be willing to pay more for Superluminova. Regards, #WR4K

[@hotrodsgarage]

A very in depth and unbiased comparison. Informative and enlightening. Thank you for posting.

[@yellowblue2479]

Exceptional review and commentary. Thank you.

[@kenhard]

Unbelievable comparison well done, totally enjoyed the video. Hoping my pagani soon would be as good as these review!

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Kenza. Glad you enjoyed it. Congratulations. Wear yours in good health. Regards.

[@dxfordummies]

When you buy a Rolex, Your money is going to golf and tennis and other marketing. No big deal, doesn't make it worth the $ though

[@vicg5323]

Homage watches are great. Cost less and no ridiculous lines to wait. 😄. I have a Pepsi and black ceramic.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Vic. Congratulations. Excellent choices. Wear your pieces in good health. Regards, #WR4K

[@willywantoknow2563]

If you want to invest, get a Rolex. if you want a watch, buy a Pagani.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Regards.

[@cvheugten]

Thats one part. True, a Sub is a fine investment. But it is more. It is a gem for many, a reminder of good relations, a fine wife, good results from business. Its a present, a work of art in many situations. The Paganinis a watch. A good one at that. But it will never be an investment. And perhaps never a present for relations. There is too much resemblance with ‘the real one’.

[@watchreviews4k]

@@cvheugten Thank you for watching Carel. Regards, #WR4K

[@Dionysor]

nice work. today i learned the real rolex has no case back window, it is a little let down but theres no question its just purdy overall. humbly waiting for the 1661 to be stocked in nearby warehouses. for now i love my 1651. cheers

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Den. Glad you enjoyed it. Wear yours in good health. Regards.

[@zomgz932]

Rolex will never put a exhibition back on any watch they make.

[@watchreviews4k]

@@zomgz932 Thank you for watching. Regards, #WR4K

[@waibenglam756]

I got my Pagani design after watching your video. I got lucky, so far mine is running +/-0 seconds after one week! Bracelets and watch edges are a bit sharp, is the submariner that way too? Otherwise no complains for a $70 watch.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Congratulations. Excellent choice. No, the Submariner Date doesn't have any sharp edges on the case or bracelet. Wear yours in good health. Regards.