Pagani Design PD-1731 (Grand Seiko Homage) 4K Watch Review

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Pagani Design PD-1731: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004392984985.html?spm=a2g0o.detail.1000060.1.24fa6204eV8Bjq&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller&scm=1007.13339.274681.0&scm_id=1007.13339.274681.0&scm-url=1007.13339.274681.0&pvid=0079075a-9954-42b7-b086-7cbe6c11ce6d&_t=gps-id%3ApcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller%2Cscm-url%3A1007.13339.274681.0%2Cpvid%3A0079075a-9954-42b7-b086-7cbe6c11ce6d%2Ctpp_buckets%3A668%232846%238114%231999&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22sku_id%22%3A%2212000029052899171%22%2C%22sceneId%22%3A%223339%22%7D&pdp_npi=2%40dis%21EUR%21%21110.36%21%21%21%21%21%402103221f16569925387916100e60b2%2112000029052899171%21rec

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[@Lionheart13628]

VH31 movement also my favorite Quartz movement. I have the yellow dial one and frankensteined the case with a Pagani Design pilot watch. Might buy the green dial also. Thanks

[@jackraglin5526]

Great dissection of the positives and negatives. This is a modestly priced piece but there’s no reason not to dive deep on what’s wrong with it. Now I have a better idea of what to look for. Thanks!

[@reezevlog]

i like how detailed u pin pointing the flaws….. unlike some reviewers…..too much sugar coating n talked less about the flaws…..cheers mate…keep it up

[@Dortch3]

I would not have paid $100. I agree, for that price, there are better alternatives even within Pagani. This past week I purchsed the green and blue for $32 and $28...I could not be more pleased.

[@ravproyectos2335]

Which do you like better, the green or the blue? I'm torn between these two colors. The problem is that I already have a lot of green ones and the blue one seems more like the Grand Seiko. I'd appreciate an opinion from someone who has both in their possession.

[@Dortch3]

@@ravproyectos2335 I wear the green more...the blue is a bit "speckled" in appearance. This is the only green face watch I own.

[@a0r0a7]

I really think we need to get things into perspective. I picked this up for £32. I am not going to complain about anything with this watch because mine is flawless. I have more expensive watches that have mineral crystal, completely pressed clasp and folded link bracelets. The bonus a VK31 movement as well for that slightly vintage tick tok. I am scratching my head wondering how they even make it for that.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Regards, #WR4K

[@AlexanderBohl]

I received mine today and I don't have this qc issues with the clasp and also the bracelet endlinks fit much better than yours. Maybe they've changed it meanwhile. Only one stiff link, which I've removed when shortening it. It is a beautiful watch, hard to beat for 36 EUR IMHO.

[@jfoxlim1966]

Hi. Has the case back of the head still using the press metal as described in this review? Thanks

[@ronch550]

I just ordered the PD1701 and now here's another video. I need some self restraint. I see Pagani is getting fond of dome crystals lately.

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Congratulations. Excellent choice. Wear yours on good health. Regards, #WR4K

[@ronch550]

@@watchreviews4k thanks, man. Can't wait to get it on my wrist. Cheers.

[@pellelarsson6887]

For those annoyed by the loose endlings, I solved it by replacing the spring bars. I noticed that the tip of the spring bar was too small for the lug holes, hence loose fit and moving. Ordered a pair of 0.8mm tip with a 1.5mm diameter spring bar and now it fits very well. I think a 0.9mm tip could also fit but I don't have any tools for exact measurument. But the 0.8mm tip solves that annoying loose endling issue.

[@humbukkerz]

Thanks for the excellent review. As always with Pagani Design it's a case of one step forwards and two steps back. Lovely looking watch despite the QC issues. V2 will most likely be a must buy.

[@BayuMukti937]

Finally Chinese homage factory started to make GS homage. But still the beauty of GS can't be imitated.

[@johnhooperm.d.4222]

$30 -ish. Beautiful watch head. I got the green and the ice blue, one for a gift.

[@err0ify]

And what color has better legibility?

[@ravproyectos2335]

Which do you like better, the green or the blue? I'm torn between these two colors. The problem is that I already have a lot of green ones and the blue one seems more like the Grand Seiko. I'd appreciate an opinion from someone who has both in their possession.

[@turbyoulance]

I like that it is ROLEX green, however it is not on the Pagani website, instead the Yellow version is and the light blue version.

[@jasonbostock408]

there just so hit and miss Pagani, its just potluck if you get a good one great review and content

[@Sicarius888]

Maybe they should make less models but put more effort into them. Pagani seems to have more problems than usual recently. I was thinking about PD1734, looks good at first. But they made a dealbreaking for me error in misspelling "Water Resistnat" on the dial. And 123 EUR for a quartz with issues is I think too much when Steeldive Tunas, Subs and Willards autos are around the same price and with less chance for a lemon.

[@ScottieG59]

Maybe PAGANI stepped up their game. I don’t see the bracelet fit and finish problems and the case back on mine looks well done. I bought mine on the 11.11 sale, with a USA special price. The Watch was shipped from New Jersey in the US.

[@clifforddean232]

If Pagani just took a minute and paused production to do some much needed quality control they would be a leader in their respected entry level into homage. We all started somewhere.

[@QualityTimeWatches]

I heard it!!! Not 1 but 2 "Silky Smooth"😊😎⌚️✌️Amazing!!!❤️

[@michaelonello1022]

Really spot on review, thanks.....Any chance (in the near future) you will be reviewing the PD-1705 chronograph?

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Michael. I appreciate the suggestion. No. Regards, #WR4K

[@201950201950]

I like the way that center stands out from the outer circle

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Jesse. Glad you enjoyed it. Regards, #WR4K

[@coyhutt8022]

At the moment, there's a store selling this for £31- despite the niggles that seems a brilliant price for the components wouldn't you say?

[@PINKFL0YD-s2h]

Thank you for your review. It's now £21 pounds!

[@lareno04]

Fantastic review! Thanks! 😊

[@MrAl67]

I checked my PD 1723 and it had the same marks on the clasp. I rubbed it and it turned out to be a sticker! I removed the sticker and the marks went away.

[@nosceteipsum1931]

Don't wish to appear negative, however, this is a budget watch so when it comes to QC, and the level of scrutiny and standards involved, I think it's important to see things in context. The "quality" of the QC will perhaps not be to the same standard as an expense brand. A case of: you get what you pay for....

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. I give every watch a fair chance to; "meet my criteria of being both excellent quality and excellent value at the respective price point". To clarify, I do not expect a low-tier piece to be the same quality/value as a mid-tier, or high-tier piece. QC issues such as; marks on the bracelet and clasp, and play in the links, are unacceptable at any price point. Pagani Design themselves are able to get these QC issues correct at the 100 Euro price point on the PD-1644, and PD-1661; which both have a better bracelet and clasp. The QC, build quality, and finishing, are higher on the PD-1644, and PD-1661. Regards, #WR4K

[@quarters-eye8922]

@@watchreviews4k Perhaps it’s time to walk away from Pagani Design John. I realize San martin no longer offer you watches to review, but buying one yourself is money well spent. I’d love to see you review the new San Martin Speedmaster 57 homage. Or perhaps their 44mm Grand Seiko homage. Regards from Whitesville.

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@@quarters-eye8922 "I realize San martin no longer offer you watches to review, but buying one yourself is money well spent. " It is not a sustainable business model to buy watches for review then sell them at a loss on eBay after. The Customs import tax, eBay fees, and shipping; aren't offset by the AdSense revenue gained on the review. I can only review watches that are supplied by brands and dealers. It isn't possible for me to review all the watches collectors request. Regards, #WR4K

[@133774c05]

Might it be worth it at end of summer sale price (68USD) with a strap instead of bracelet?

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Gabriel. I think the PD-1692 Air-King homage is a better option. Regards, #WR4K

[@ulisesalianza]

Now for 45 USD

[@pellelarsson6887]

Wonder if its possible to find a replacement bracelet?

[@err0ify]

Hi. And what of the three dial colors has better legibility?

[@watchreviews4k]

I don't know as I have only handled this green version. Regards, #WR4K

[@conzmoleman]

Any idea if the bracelet can be adjusted to fit a 6” wrist?

[@watchreviews4k]

Yes, 6" is the minimum with all the links removed. Regards, #WR4K

[@conzmoleman]

@@watchreviews4k Many thanks!

[@senny_penny]

Hey there! You are almost always the first to review new watches :) Thamks for your job! And.. How about new Hruodland watch? Could you check it out please? Just type to search Hruodland VK64. Obviously there is Seiko VK64 movement, perfect 38mm size, classy vintage looking, panda option coming soon. Really tempting for me:) Your thoughts? Should we expect it here on your channel? 🙃

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Thank you for watching Arsene. I appreciate your suggestion. Hruodland cut me off after I gave their watch a negative review. Therefore I won't be reviewing it. Regards, #WR4K

[@TGriffiths-ve6nw]

​@watchreviews4k good decision. If they can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen.

[@jddd665]

12:15 You noticed that well. It also gets stuck there. The bracelet on this watch is horrible. It is sticky where the screw pins are, and it is very very light, which means carbon, nickel, molibden are not in specified ratios for 316 SS., and potentially something else is added

[@jbjnuuy356]

Yeah, dodgy bracelet. Try removing it. Nightmare.

[@piercelidseveraltime]

I took mine out of the box and after inspecting the bracelet I replaced it with a good quality leather strap immediately, I didn't even remove the plastic from the bracelet, the bracelet is of poor quality and I would prefer they just put straps on these watches rather than lowering production costs on the bracelet

[@ArtyMcMuffin]

Hello to you, thanks for the video! As the bracelet seems to be very low quality, and the watch seem to be sold with a leather bracelet, would it be a better choice then?

[@watchreviews4k]

Yes. Regards, #WR4K

[@francoisvola3611]

I have one and see no issue with the SS bracelet, especially at the price we pay for the watch. I have three "Swiss made" Glycines and the bracelets are very similar except the clasp is a little bit better finished on the edges. Cheers.

[@stephanieroberts1394]

Did Pagani ever make the bracelet and fit the the correct bracelet made for this piece?

[@watchreviews4k]

No Stephanie. The PD-1692 Air-King, and Explorer, homages have better quality bracelets. Regards, #WR4K

[@eurabio]

What would be a fair price for this watch in your opinion? So I'll wait for a discount

[@watchreviews4k]

60 USD. Regards, #WR4K

[@eurabio]

@@watchreviews4k awesome! Just got the blue one at 46 USD. Thanks for your video and answering.

[@kokatrends]

It's $27 on AliExpress at the moment

[@magnanova]

I like it. Would the PD1692 bracelet fit on it?

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. No. Regards, #WR4K

[@cunawarit]

I like your attention to detail, but being this critical of a watch at this price point is a little overkill.

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Thank you for watching. Regards, #WR4K

[@LCMNUNES1962]

EXCELENT WATCH PAGANI 👍🇧🇷

[@Skurtle]

Id think this and your last review prove that you don’t just give a Pagani a pass and praise! You give each watch a fair chance to earn your seal of approval or to fail… It’s really baffling, it seems Pagani went one step forwards with the AR and then again two steps back overall… Also, what’s curious to me is that they now used the same bracelet for this and the vintage Airking but used different cases, bracelets etc for their various Daytona homages, which also are all cheaper and it would seem higher quality over all. Im disappointed with this piece, I had hoped it would be better, since it looked rather pleasing in the pictures. Maybe one could give this piece a try with a nice leather strap? Not me tho, I have my leather strap slots filled. Kudos to you for plowing through this review, I’m sure it wasn’t pleasing, and might saving us from a disappointing purchase!

[@martinowl]

Pagani get so much right & then there are issues with items they are quite capable of getting right before models are released.such a shame.

[@stephenspain9167]

pity, guess wait for v2

[@pellelarsson6887]

Is it only me or is the end link a bit loose. ?

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Pelle. Yes, there is play in the end link. Regards, #WR4K

[@pellelarsson6887]

@@watchreviews4k thank you for your answer. Good watch overall. The head is really nicely done but the bracelet is really blah. They didn't even take the time to press the bracelet links fully. As you said one can see through the links. But mine didn't have those pressed marks on the case back as yours, fortunately. I think with the glidelock clasp I Ordered for the bracelet, will make it presentable.

[@Cuccos19]

VH31 does NOT have a date complication, so there is NO ghost date position! Just a simple three-hand basic movement - thanks god!

[@timefliesby-jleo474]

Grand Seiko or presage!?

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Grand Seiko. Regards, #WR4K

[@chrislim7976]

Presage case and attempt as GS dial. Really bad.

[@Greymane-e5t]

Only if these things had spring drives.

[@pellelarsson6887]

Will they address the problems you found?

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Pelle. I don't know. Regards, #WR4K

[@casteltheghettomonk4392]

The green is double the price ? Why cause it resemble grand Seiko more ?

[@watchreviews4k]

I don't know. Regards, #WR4K

[@turbyoulance]

Rolex Green

[@YannickKhong]

Pagani being a bit too greedy after the pd1701 success

[@Ted_Kenzoku]

Grand Seiko is all about those fine details and finish, things the cheap homages can't achieve. So you end up with a bland looking watch, unlike rolex homages with very distinct designs. I just think homage brands should keep away from Grand Seiko

[@grahamyoung622]

Yet another cracking review, John. Many flaws in this one, particularly the entirely mismatched and very poorly executed bracelet..what were PD thinking????????? The blue AR coating on the green dial version is an unwelcome distraction. The dial looks really cool....but fails to save this piece. I looked at the other dial variants but the colours just looked too washed out for my taste. A miss from PD. There is also a PD 1734 with a textured dial which looks interesting. It looks like PD are attempting to replicate a 'meteorite' dial look with these ones. The only one which looks worthy of purchasing is the blue dial (this lineup also has blue AR coating on the underside of the crystal, again this complements the blue dial version but not the others). Keep up the great work!

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Graham. Regards, #WR4K

[@arsonfireuk]

Solid observations and I book you right mate. You should start a channel. I always wait for a V2 or V3 before I buy from PD or SM as they always l, always improve over time. This one is a real let down and love the fact John called out these errors.

[@paulhiggins8774]

I wonder if the bracelet is made by a different company that dozen have quality control ?

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching Paul. Pagani Design make their own bracelets. Regards, #WR4K

[@sphericalempirical9359]

Another great video. I feel you’ve done a lot for PD, and this is notable in a slight annoyance in your voice, they’ve properly let you down on this one. Such a shame as the head of the piece is beautiful. But as you say, it’s sloppy work for the money, particularly as they’ve raised their game so much with other pieces and work recently. The bracelet IS a disgrace, as IS the lume and the lack of lumed indices. What a shame.

[@johnwick-bc4wq]

Getting me 1

[@Otto-co5tb]

It’s $36 now

[@quarters-eye8922]

Pagani Design cannot afford to make these kinds of mistakes going forward. There are only a few times a customer will give a brand the opportunity to get it right - after that - the customer moves on to a better brand. Personally, I would rather pay 3-4 times the price and get a San Martin. At least with San Martin, you know you are getting a solid watch for the money. Regards,

[@robotpicnic6508]

That's not matt, that's metallic.

[@watchreviews4k]

The dial has a textured matte finish, rather than sunburst (metallic) or glossy (enamel). Regards, #WR4K

[@unperfectcooking]

Got this for 37 usd

[@daynevickers1079]

Another watch by Pagani that 'coulda been a contender', if not for the 'poorly executed' [lume] - [caseback] - [bracelet] - and let's not forget about that dreadful clasp. Come on Pagani, get your poop together, you're better than this! Thanks again for your honest review.

[@MegaFclef]

It would take more money to make a decent Grand Seiko homage. The mirror polish on this has distortion unlike GS. The case and bracelet are rather drab in comparison. But for $150 more or less it’s meh

[@PINKFL0YD-s2h]

Ohh dear Me

[@zsombormolnar5375]

What is happening at Pagani, might pay double and go with a SanMartin instead. These are awful QCs.

[@stretoo]

Very erratic quality. Avoid all of them as there is no customer service at Pagani's (either from the factory or on Aliexpress). They simply don't answer to fully substantiated warranty claims meaning that you have to consider there is no warranty when you buy one of their watches.It's a pity as some of their watches are really cool. This comment is based on real experiences, I thought it was important that potential customers are warned before buying so that they can fully assume their decision. With a little luck you can come across a good model from a well-made series, otherwise your money will have to be considered lost.

[@arsonfireuk]

I don't agree with this. I had an issue with a Hulk homage I bought and there was a same day response and free shipping label to an address in the UK and a week later the money was back in my account. Make sure you only order from the official Pagani Design store as there are a ton of drop shippers. They have seriously upped their game. I used to buy with fear and now I own 5 with absolutely no issues. I had more hassle sending back a bag to Ralph Lauren

[@halua1969]

This is so disappointing, that beautiful green dial is totally wasted with Pagani's infamous cost cutting measures for the rest of the components.

[@justmeeagainn]

Did the world really need this?

[@watchreviews4k]

Pagani Design are good at knowing what the low-tier Chinese market wants. Regards, #WR4K

[@a0r0a7]

Did the world need your comment😂

[@3r0P76aBap7pHoj]

the hands quarity are not enought to call as Grand Seiko homage...

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Regards, #WR4K

[@papavictorromeo5079]

Crap, just buy an 100€ Casio.

[@samteks125]

Or a Seiko 5, e.g. SNKL models

[@saintsmccastle3521]

I have just got mine in blue for 35€.......... far from those 100€....... cheers!.

[@eliteelite7428]

What a piece of junk hahahah

[@watchreviews4k]

Thank you for watching. Regards, #WR4K