Why Overshooting Is Worse Than Ever

[@douglasdebisschop4122]

As a referee, I have 3 responsibilities: 1. Players need to follow the rules 2. To ensure the safety and well-being of my players 3. The health and continued growth of the sport Malicous overshooting is a bane on the sport, and I do what I can to discourage it.

[@YOURDADSNEPHEW]

Im a ref too and I just smoke weed and watch the fun after break and shut up 😂

[@JenkinsStevenD]

Eh. There is a lot that goes on that the refs can't see. Most people follow the rules until they get exploited. I used to kindly let people know they were out when I had sneaked up behind them and then I got up behind two guys and let them know.....the first guy put his hands up, the second guy used him as a shield and shot me in the dick. I don't even bother now. Everyone gets it adequately and at any range. Overshooting? No. But a foot from your back? Sorry bud. Shoulda worn better attire.

[@sl-lin0bi529]

You better bc if you don’t we as the players will settle it there and then. That’s a fact. And I guarantee you if the refs did nothing about it we’ll come at you after too. “It’s your job”

[@sativa2050]

I protect newbies at all costs!! They are the future of our beloved sport!!

[@JJ-ot9pl]

I would say the best way is probably to take the dudes gun line him on a wall and let the rest of the players pepper that person for a solid minute. We will see if they keep overshooting.

[@sethtews3376]

Watching ZP not even flinch once at the hailstorm of paint hitting him has got to be one of the most epic moments if the last few seasons.

[@dehydratedwat3r]

the paint is so brittle that when your adrenaline is flowing you barely feel that

[@OrignalRecipe92]

@@dehydratedwat3r Depends on where you're playing...sometimes it's 330 ;) and you for sure feel that..

[@utdjustin]

ZP ate that shit

[@gkdunch]

@@OrignalRecipe92 Nxl paint is so brittle that 20 shots really don't feel bad, thats me talking from a media side where I don't have the adrenaline benefit. overshooting is only really a thing at regional events, they shoot fucking marbles out there sometimes, I've seen bounces off of tanks and masks it gets so bad.

[@jasonguy1497]

I meannnnn he did get busted with over a pound of booger sugar. Might have been comfortably numb.

[@malphadour]

The Clint Johnston one, I would have banned him for the rest of the tournament for that. Multiple close range headshots is dangerous play, 100% unnecessary and I would deem to be actively malicious.

[@trippler91]

Right? You see him raise his barrel, after the guy had already raised his arms signaling he was out, and shoot him multiple times in the head. Should have been banned from the tournament.

[@codybartley9791]

I wonder if ejecting him the rest of the tournament would actually stop it like if they saw or heard do u think it would stop them

[@SoLuti0n_GGG]

It's like how did he even try to deny that? We can see it clear as the sky is blue in the clip that he beamed Colt's head while the arms were raised. Degenerate behavior.

[@Marcelis]

@@codybartley9791eye for an eye will stop it

[@p4th0s_]

@@codybartley9791 I think if they would begin banning people for overshooting, like absolute malicious overshooting... it would make people actually think twice about doing it. 4-5 shots running someone down, i understand it... but circling someone... come on.

[@taylorraywhitehead]

Running through an established lane and getting lit up is one thing, but when these hothead dudes are intentionally shooting people as much as they can get away with at close range... yeah, who wants to play that game?

[@zeek_von_cookie999]

Winning the Cup means nothing if no one is suffering over it. At 14 I started playing with RNT and was trained to shoot till they aren’t shooting back so aim for the neck making them clutch up, goggles to blind the player from shooting back accurately, shooting for the spin to stop a player from spinning, and shooting any player at least once that is walking off the field just in case they are trying to do a Dead Man’s Walk. You need to disable the player your shooting from being able to play on and you shoot them till they left their hand in the air. These methods where necessary and work as I won the PSP 5-Man World Cup Title in 2006 playing with RNT Allstarz. However the game has changed a lot since those times and refs are much better now thank God. But I must say it was nice to see pro player care enough about winning World Cup this year to actually put the hurt on each other like the good old days. It did certainly make me want to start playing tournament paintball again.

[@Robert53area]

​@@zeek_von_cookie999 it's a game... It's not worth trying to kill people. Your talking about shooting them in the neck and unprotected part of the head. Psycho come join the military then, go be an 11B you can do all the psycho shit you want. There is a difference between being sportsmanship and unsportsmanlike and you just describe yourself as the asshat that makes people not play.

[@Tyler-ts2ld]

@@zeek_von_cookie999cool story.

[@MmmDaddyDom]

@@zeek_von_cookie999all that for a measly psp 😂💀

[@irlAlchemist]

@@zeek_von_cookie999wow. This sounds like some loser shit. This ain’t a war, you just sound really lame.

[@Z33Garage]

The issue I see is overshooting has 99% of the time been a Ego/ show off tactic more than a " I didn't see the paint break". When it happens to me, it's almost always followed by a taunting by the player that did it, while he / she knows " I won't do shit". And if it does escalate to me retaliating, they sit back and cry about " he's getting physical". Back when I started we all had a healthy respect ( even the more spicy players) for others. I feel now alot of kids think a real life match is a cod lobby where there are no repercussions.

[@marcsarfati3291]

Top down works. If it’s allowed at the top. Then players will do it lower level guys. Over shooting is just niche. It’s might pull one player but 5 are walking away.

[@smokedbeefandcheese4144]

I don't think this is how that works. I actually when I was growing up did not get into paintball because of competition paintball I actually got into it because of airsoft and liking the paintball gun slightly more so I got one. I did airsoft at home and paintbal when my dad would take me out which was not often mostly went with friends

[@ExperientialDNA]

​@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 ok.... And?

[@marcsarfati3291]

@@ExperientialDNA If the Idea is to keep paintball a small NICHE sport, then over shooting is way to it. The problem with the sport it's EXPENSIVE. With a small pool of players could lead to close fields and loss of ecomices of scale. I played other contact sports. When guys get hurt they do not show back up. I also seen when top guy's cheat the lower one do as well. Its why should i not do?

[@DomePiece123]

Overshooting in paintball is toxic - full stop. All these troglodytes promoting ‘make paintball violent again’ are just that. There is nothing that will grow this hobby more than a bunch of men with little man syndrome ramping on and overshooting rentals that show up to the local field - oh wait, those players will actually never come back and go spend their time and money elsewhere. It’s a braindead take wanting for paintball to ‘be more violent’ - the translation on that is they want bad sportsmanship, toxicity, and cheating. Some might want the hobby to be more violent but most people come out to enjoy some time off after their work week and they have about 15 other things they can be doing. Those players that want to come out to relax a bit, play for fun, and talk with their buddies between games (especially rentals) are not going to stick around if the meta becomes overshooting and seeing how much pent up little man rage can be let out each game. The hobby will die (it’s already far less popular than other hobbies). Pros acting this way should have the hammer brought down on them hard. You overshoot - you’re done for the entire tournament. Do it again, you’re done for the season. Do it again, banned for life. The way pros act in any sport or hobby trickles down to the recreational level so unless you want others acting like this and hurting paintball at the grassroots level, then it needs to be dealt with severely at the professional level.

[@alexanderrobins7497]

Agreed. While I get pissed off when I swear I hit someone two or three times, if the balls don't break or my eyes are lying to me, it is still fair game. It sucks, but it is better than ruining somebody's else day (and enjoyment of the sport). As long as people are honest and get out when hit, there is no reason to over shoot.

[@travismarshall4878]

Ask me why after playing for well over a decade I stopped playing. Been thinking about getting back into it, but investing $$ to refresh my equipment just to spend a whole day dealing with bad attitudes and hot heads, I dunno doesnt seem worth the price of admission anymore.

[@Mars33172]

Well said. I stopped watching the NFL years ago because of poor sportmanship among other things. Don't know what Clint Johnson's malfunction was, but as far as I am concerned, the punishment should have been more significant.

[@Tyler-ts2ld]

@@travismarshall4878you can make a comeback! I played amateur in the early 2000s, and quit after life happened. I came back in 2020 and it’s been a blast. There are still jerks in the game, but most field owners will not tolerate it. I bought some second hand gear and got back out there. You don’t have to spend big bucks to get back in it.

[@-John-Doe-]

Go into a boxing or Bjj gym and try taking cheap shots and you’re gone. - No strike 1, 2, 3… 7… Then from a basic safety perspective, it’s mine boggling. I don’t play paintball but this is a very bizarre culture.

[@alwaysrecycles365]

I have said many times that competition paintball doesn't convert new players. You have to have played a bunch and been hit many times to get used to taking hits. Newbies don't expect the sting, it's makes it worse for them but it gets better with experience. To me, overshooting is sort of part of the cringe vibe that comes with some dudes who take it too seriously. I've seen dorks at an open play bragging about overshooting some kid who rented his gear...all I can say about that is you must have a very small life with very few accomplishments if that's the kind of thing u brag about. It's just a manifestation of the fragile egos held by some dorks in the scene

[@TrippinBusa]

Not the only thing that's small on them

[@legendarybeatzprod.4843]

Totally agree with this statement, u see the same types of archetypes in the airsoft world, hell even other competitive sports.

[@BasedStruggler]

You're the one writing paragraphs over it Nancy.

[@BasedStruggler]

@@legendarybeatzprod.4843 People in competitive scenes become competitive wow shocker who'd have seen that coming? Nothing gets by you!

[@alwaysrecycles365]

@@BasedStruggler go post another gaming video that nobody will watch, dork

[@devin8533]

If you don't want people overshooting at the youth level, then the pro's should not be getting a pass for the 'mind game' or 'just playing aggressive'. Overshooting at the pro level is an embarrassment to the sport, holds the sport back, and is just people playing dirty. Sure, they need to lay on a few more balls to maybe make it clear to the refs than when scrimming, but it is obviously clear when people are just being assholes.

[@brandonmrsh]

100% agreed. I have a son and this is the last thing I want him doing, even if I love it. This kind of stuff happens at every single level of play.

[@MrFireduster]

Bro every sport is set up like this. The youth is vastly less physical then the pros. Stop crying cuz you can't take it

[@TheFeed816]

What is everyone talking about after cup?

[@IAMStormyNautilus]

Airsofter here who got recommended this video because the AI that scans my phone DMs knows I've been complaining about overshooting recently... Dang shame that it's happening in the brother sport where hits are infinitely more obvious, too. Last weekend at an airsoft game, I got revenge-kill sprayed point blank by an HPA guy. A regular at the field, he pushed into our spawn in a TDM and I got him with my pistol. He respawned and rushed right back to where I was, full auto hosing my cover the whole way. He knew I had just the pistol (bolt action MED rules), he pushed me and full auto'd me from an arm's length away, as well as a guy next to me. Then he put a bunch into a teammate's face as he was trying to leave our spawn. Again, this guy was right outside our spawn. Outdoor field, 60m square. 3 of my teammates rushed him and all hosed him back, which he got really angry about. I talked to the field ref and he said that it was fine for the player to have auto'd all of us from such a close distance. At other fields, this has been explicitly against the rules and generally considered unsportsmanlike. He was a regular at that field, though. Go figure. He cheated his ass off that day too, often taking 3-4 hits to his helmet before he "heard" them. I would have hoped that Paintball avoided knobhead players, but it sounds like some will show up no matter what the game is. Greetings and commiserations from BC, Canada.

[@midwestguitarist]

Overshooting is bad sportsmanship. It's really that simple. No different than late/dirty hits in football.

[@alwaysrecycles365]

💯 I'm not pro, just a recreational player, and if I got overshot by someone on purpose they better be decently bigger than me bc I'm throwing hands....don't think just bc it's a paintball field you can't get stomped for foolishness 😂

[@precision3377]

Completely agree

[@NimaRazavi]

Second this.

[@MuadDiiib]

​@@alwaysrecycles365ya? And you're gonna have charges pressed on you too. Take your hits and quit being soft. We play to get SHOT. Leave the sport if you don't wanna be hit.

[@alwaysrecycles365]

@MuadDiiib lol ok but you'd get smacked in real life

[@gregs40]

Played some rec at a local place. Had a grown man light me up when I was in 5th grade. He had an electronic maker. I had a rebel btb. It's always been a problem.

[@othernamesweretaken1871]

That’s so wack dude. Reading stuff like that boils my blood.

[@TheClone37]

Funny enough, having a similar experiance is why i chose to play airsoft instead of paintball​@@othernamesweretaken1871

[@uuhhhjacob]

Overshooting is cringe. I stopped playing some years ago but man, it’s sucks to see people still do this.

[@slobored]

Hurts the game. We had overshooting turn into a standoff which then turned into a fist fight at my local field a few weeks back. It is a bad look for the sport, and there were parents there that were rethinking their kids being there. In a tournament setting I expect a few extra, but refs need to penalize bad cases of overshooting so the game doesn't devolve.

[@stevenlewis8028]

Youre probably the best channel commentating on the sport right now. I know theres a lot of good content right now but I dont have to sit through a 2 hour podcast to catch a segment talking about something ive been wondering about in the last event. You cover the big topics were all thinking about and new gear and player moves and make clips available to view without digging through a long segment. Thank you, keep it up.

[@zerofactor7871]

Man, brings back memories. I grew up playing woodsball with a group of friends, and overshooting was something that occasionally caused a straight up brawl in the middle of the field. There was literally never a good excuse for it, it was always because someone was just going overboard and wanted to "send a message" which was always answered with another, much clearer message to the side of their head. Lol Paintball used to be like hockey, fighting was encouraged, now it's like airsoft, where fighting gets the whole tournament shut down.

[@cornwallmansiom3831]

As a front snake player in tournaments it was always pretty common to take 5 or 6 when getting ran down because someone would be pre-firing to keep you pinned or keep shooting as they passed to make sure something hit and broke and that you didnt turn on them. However, most people would aim for the body, not head and as soon as they saw your posture change (that you know you're out) they would stop shooting. I have been overshot by someone on the other side of the field who pops out and starts shooting you on instinct before realizing you're already hit which isn't intentional and usually ends with them coming up to you in the pits and apologizing. The only time I've truly been overshot 'intentionally' was a woodsball scenario match where a guy was sitting in a bush behind our spawn and absolutely laid into us with 15-20 shots each while we were casually standing around talking about where to go

[@globalz891]

and and 77

[@globalz891]

Isle i

[@starkillermarex]

Overshooting in paintball and airsoft is stupid. When it is intentional it makes both sports look bad. If it is on accident or in the heat of the moment you apologize after and try to do better next time. When you've got the guy dead to rights and just keep hitting him, that is blatant overshooting. These guys aren't shooting half way cross the field and shoot a bunch hoping the paint lands, they are up on them, at advantage, just lighting them up.

[@TheFeed816]

Nobody cares about airsoft tho

[@DJ_GUNNY666]

its plain and pure disrespect for the sport and other players in the sport!

[@gavwa08]

It's always seemed pretty cowardly to me. Someone trying to hurt another person but hiding behind that "It's part of the game" or "what happens on the field stays on the field". If you do it you are just a weak person. If you get lit up from a badly timed move and like 2 or 3 lines get you thats just bad timing, shit happens. But that shit of lifting your barrel to the back of the head, I'd be having words with you after the game. Oh unless you like to play on with hits on you, then you've got a bucket of bonus welts with your name all over it.

[@Medicineee]

Over shooting is 90% deliberate and 10% I was told to do it because "winning." Paintball has always been a super aggressive sport but nowadays it's introducing more than the aggressive nature of the sport and having people who're aggressive outside of the sport ontop of the nature of the game. When those two things collide things almost always get out of hand and people take things too seriously.

[@daviddin8863]

Overshooting gatekeeps the sport. I dont think about it in tournament settings but I've definitely seen fights happen at scrimmage matches. I've notice plenty of D5 people quit playing once they start playing with D4 players and start getting over shot.

[@AndySDCS]

It's even worse when people do this at scenario games, there's a whole gang of chodes at Hollywood sports who constantly bully and harass other players and it's really affecting the turnout on the weekends

[@RunFast-n9m]

Sounds like they wouldn’t make it at higher levels.. good thing they stopped early

[@Swindle428]

Mhmmmm just posted a comment on this. I started in 2004 when guns were all about speed aka the ropes. What I don't like is someone smacking me in my 100 dollar mask. That I worked my butt off for when I started getting my own money at 15. But when it comes to over shooting even in regular recball.... Sometimes you just know if they are overshooting you cause they are butt hurt.

[@hi-iq7zdd]

@@Swindle428 You realize a mask is made to withstand being hit...?

[@Swindle428]

@@hi-iq7zdd the pro flex is used the rubber was so soft that when shot in the rubber bottoms. It would smack you in the mouth. This was an older version

[@Thecelestial1]

Nah that third clip is wild. I don't play paintball, I've done it casually for fun. I overshoot out of inexperience and as a 'just in case' the paint balls dont burst. I also do not shoot close range ever. If someone shot me 10 times in the most unprotected, vulnerable area of my body I would be physically attacking them.

[@parkerjeans5777]

Yeah unless we want paintball to be hockey id tone down the overshooting. Refs are supposed to give penaltys for over shooting.

[@utubepersun789]

Overshooting is toxic, harmful, and has no place in the sport. Stepping into a lane is one thing but anything outside of that and it’s completely unnecessary especially when you have the drop on someone.

[@Bandedcookie]

We had this happen a lot in airsoft. Mainly it was speed softers, with high-end polar stars, ramped up to crazy rates of fire. Players that we're on average not very good, compensating with fast firing guns.

[@Caveira138]

I play pump or stock class mostly these days. It's rare to get shot more than twice

[@monstersobe]

They need to make some statement event bans on this. Any time their is intent to injure another player, that is assault. Auto Gross major, and suspension from remainder of event. Zero room for that. I'm all for hard play. Lacrosse, hockey, and football we where always taught to use the body. Hard play, and intent to cause harm is a different story. Heck, I'm guilty of bonus balling, but i also expect it when i play. However, I'm not looking to hurt someone. But this also needs to include any hopper dumps, or anything like that = match ban, then review for event(s) suspension. Difference between playing hard, and playing dumb. Keep shooting till a guy stops running and signals out imo no call. Shooting player repeatedly after he has signaled out, penalty. This acceptance of overshooting has got to go if we want paintball to be recognized As a true organized sport. Not to mention, how many times reffs get smoked trying to stop it. Now your staff is getting injured. Start making examples out of players that want to do this.

[@alexberland9775]

The best equivalent is hockey fights, but those have a very specific set of rules and a culture behind them that make it “make sense” in a way. Overshooting seems to be a thing that is always a gray area so accepting it as “part of the sport” will always be a challenge

[@ch18362]

I’m an airsoft guy but I found this game extremely entertaining and informative. Paintball will always have a place in my heart it’s what started it all. Well done and good vid🤙

[@mgsharnhorst]

Sportsmanship. Respect, Honor.

[@epia125]

Am I seeing it correctly, they are freely shooting a guy walking off @0:23

[@mikecollard3783]

Man, 2007, with everyone running 15bps ramped, we had to be cognizant of overshooting. Sure, it happened on occasion, but it feels like dudes have to try to overshoot now. Honestly, Clint should have been ejected for the tournament with a penalty in the next event. That shit is wack.

[@coreyhinojosa2801]

I was thinking about this same thing as I was walking off a scrim this weekend and caught about 15 strays to the loader as I was walking out. No other player near me, there was a 2 or 3 second delay between first shot and getting lit up. Luckily I had the experience to cover my neck and head with my marker as I walked out, but it is super duper intentional and deliberate to overshoot at these slow slow speeds compared to the PSP days of the early 2000’s

[@hugwil5221]

“Guys like Chris LaSoya who were Infamous for putting it on guys” ahhh I see what you did there

[@somebrains5431]

Overshooting give you diabetes and organ failure.

[@TheMemeMachineMatt]

You could almost say he was excessive ;)

[@Swindle428]

I left the sport almost 10 years ago. I started playing in 2004 when guns were not shooting less than 15bps on fields. So i never had a problem with overshooting. Sometimes it sucks like get bunkered in your proflex mouth and getting a busted lip. What i do not like is someone trying to fist fight me at the field for whatever reason. Ive been in one fist fight in woods ball with a 30 something year old at 17 years old!!!! And have been pushed and shoved in a way you know it was intentional. Phyical fights on recball fields became insanely common when I left in 2014.

[@drewq463]

The crowd "erupted" when overshooting happened. Let's not forget the crowds are filled with players that are not playing. There isn't many spectators that pay to come watch the game when it comes through their town. I agree the 15 bps, NXL full auto, and nppl semi auto ramp era is far a different era and it was less deliberate. Watch that clip of ZP getting overshot. You can see diesel players give up their lanes to worry about shooting an eliminated player with his gun down. It's a joke. Overshooting during the play is one thing, laying into an eliminated player who isn't moving forward should not be tolerated. We all love lasoya for his aggressive no nonsense attitude but look what he did to Kyle stahl back in the day. Chris ran up to an eliminated player who was arguing with refs and intentionally put his barrel to the back of his head. That's not part of the game, it's now assault.

[@werm88]

Dealing with overshooting is like dealing with super aggressive players, most refs won't do anything until a fight breaks out

[@Crafftyyy]

Yea then the retaliating player usually gets banned for fighting now. Back in the day someone would catch hands for that shit if it was intentional.

[@MmmDaddyDom]

It’s usually the refs but buddy that is cool with them

[@Crafftyyy]

Miss the days where we could just fight when shit like this happened. Nobody cares anymore and will continue to do it cause there’s zero repercussions. Meanwhile if you get pissed and retaliate you risk an outright ban.

[@MmmDaddyDom]

Parking lot

[@branwenwashere]

as a kid in the early 2000s we didnt have a area or refs, played in forests. If you went all out on someone they got to hit you back on your thigh once, with the barrel about 3 inches away from your leg. Was a well known rule and only enforced once lol

[@kavalogue]

Self regulation is always best. These players are abusing established rules.

[@branwenwashere]

@kavalogue absolutely. I'm happy people are regulating rules, just sad that it's needed, expecially with adults lol!

[@IllemDaFunk]

Overshooting would lead to throwing hands on courses I played on in Germany. It's pretty pathetic that it's gotten worse over the years. Niche sports like this seem to cultivate some of the most toxic aspects "because cool." I'll still get out there and play. Paintball is great fun with the right people.

[@Steve-xt2ze]

i'll admit i over shot because there were wipers playings and my timmy shoots 12+ bps during the speed ball 2k era. But I agree it sure seems personal now at 10 bps

[@edwardc4453]

it's been like this forever, hell back when 20bps at 300fps in the HAYDAY of 2000-2007 was VERY common to not eat less than 20 before you got off the field. the pro's doing it to ensure no question i get, when someones bunkered and eats 50 to the back of the neck that's just a ref not throwing a yellow period. When i did div1 reffing and at tournaments (i ended up reffing more than playing because it netted some what a profit). i digress, here's my rule. if you bunker someone fine....if you get a shot off and it's hard to tell....fine............. if that guy who got bunkered and gets out and is still getting blasted, that's a flag period. imo, you stated everything i said and i've seen 1 minute so your with me. 1000000% imo, you take 5-10 at MOST that's fine, i get the adrenaline and what not....but more than 10 or if a players clearly NOT in the bunker and gets lit up, instant flag against said team period. ref's need to ref, enforce the rules. brings me to my next question as i just watch your videos and the 'nxl highlights' and dont follow anything else. what's in the rules? andddd your talking about it right here because i'm listening and typing. NXL needs to define more rules, that's it. though by their own rules when that guy got out the snake....and was STILL being lit up, that's the flag. if the guy ggetting bunkered in the snake takes 5 to the back i'll allow it. now if he eats 3 more leaving his bunker because the back guy didn't see him shot and he's in the zone, i'll allow it. if he gets bunkered and is walking off and that guys turning to still shoot him, that's the flag. hope i didn't word vomit as someone who doesn't even play, ref's more than he does anything these days but ref's and rules have to be enforced. don't get me started on NFL basically letting players die basically or never walk and (literally yesterday) the NFL stated this off-season they're looking to make it WAY safer for tackling. no more low tackles or above the neck. if so, instant ejection probably. they're also going to have a ref that will have access to all camera's on-site (each field for paintball imo) that can actively rewind each camera angle, if needed to see if that flag or any argument could be settled instnatly.

[@krackenmedia]

I found your channel recently and really like it. I played a lot in High school. It is interesting to learn how cheating plagued and ruined paintball. Overshooting and people being dirty is going to stunt the sport. People always complain about violence In media. Convincing a parent to let their kid get into paintball after watching a pro get 10 balls to the dome doesn’t feel like it’s going to work. Also- I’m throwing this out there for topic: WGP and the autococker. A ridiculous name and my favorite guns! Dang I wanted a Karnivore so bad :-/

[@RobertModica]

I personally don't want to see another Trevor Resar incident.

[@jarod1900]

I agree with you about it feeling more intentional with the decrease in BPS. Here is a thought- was it always there and in yester year it was easier to say it was an accident? IDK.

[@RocketDolphin89]

Just getting into paintball after 15+ years in airsoft. Love the channel bro, very informative 🤙

[@holeyguy66]

ive been put in a position to paint the other guy a different color in one of my first tournys. dude took a clean break to the lens a bunker away. And still proceeded to try to advance on me. so i dumped a ton on him until he curled up and called himself out. that to me is acceptable. but plain over shooting a player because you can honestly in my opinion can hurt the growth of the sport for people curious about getting into it. That also being said if you have never played paintball ever. do NOT go watch a tournament. its loud its fast and can be very intimidating to parents and prospective new players.

[@LowBudgetGamer-o6l]

Cheaters need to be kept in check, otherwise more people would do it and ruin the sport.

[@greuju]

Yeah I only did amateur back in the day. My aka Viking could hit 21 bps. When the loader wouldn't jam. Anyway, I almost never overshot anyone. I don't even understand how you can. Only situations is when rushing around a bunker and that makes sense.

[@theodoremartinez8404]

Dylan was 2 years ago right? Hard to remember. Time flies.

[@TheMemeMachineMatt]

Yeah was when I started watching heavily. Thought it was the coolest thing watching the two blokes just dish it out.

[@muffin70507]

I haven't watched in awhile because I got out of PB. Great to still see you posting!

[@Cubsfan-hp1gw]

The NXL will only deal with it after a player drops on the field and needs medical attention, or if there’s a goggle incident. By then it will be too late for someone, and everyone will wonder what they could have done. Overshooting isnt a rampant problem and it happens. How players, coaches and leagues deal with it is the problem.

[@bryanray-dol]

Man, I remember splitting a single box with my friend and hoping to last a day at the field.

[@calebbrown2983]

Not necessary. Control your emotions and play the game.

[@Arcyant]

Agree it adds to the spectacle, but also agree parents of the up-and-comers trying to get into the sport will be alarmed. I can appreciate that when your adrenaline is pumping and you're running through or someone is running through on you, you're likely to pull the trigger a few extra times to ensure you are 100% hitting them or they're hitting you. That's part of the sport. Especially if they know you're coming, you want to ensure you get the drop. That said, I think you get into iffy territory when it's deliberate, and for that, there should be more serious consequences (like total points deducted rather than getting tossed from the match). If the consequence doesn't match, it won't deter people from doing it. Impact the entire team, not just the player, so the entire team gets behind the rule and pushes each other to dissuade one another from doing it. If the infraction potentially prevents you from making it to Sunday, it's a bigger deal.

[@jb13878]

As a ref i let it go for the most part unless/until i see the barrel start moving up or down while they are bunkering. at that point you are making a concious decision to go beyond what is "aggressive or necessary" also something i think alot of people miss is that "aggressive, danger sports etc" isnt as popular as it was in the early 2000s, not saying people are soft now its just that its not the coolest thing since me and my friends discovered internet porn in 2000 liek it was for us.

[@Timasion]

As a team owner, I know overshooting occurs. Nonetheless, I tell my players two things. First, if you're overshooting a player while there other opponents on the field, I'm not going to be happy with you. You're wasting time shooting a player who is already out when you should be playing the game. Second, if you get a penalty for overshooting, you might be sitting for a while.

[@jay-by1se]

It honestly really sucks. I would say it's assault. In a normal game it feels like assault. An adult did this to my 22 year old son 8 rounds in the forehead right above his mask after he was out. That game stopped.

[@joshpelham8745]

Paintball overshooting calls is like the NFL is it a catch call 🤣🤣🤣

[@Hans_Lex]

Just another product of the "me me me" era we live in. Everyone is the main character in their lives now so thanks to media programming everyone is a victim that needs to react emotionally to every slight scenario.

[@johnjakejoebob9465]

In my mind a pro player is able to land eliminations with as few paintballs as possible. Sure suppressing a lane is strategy. But when bunkering just a quick double tap is really pro instead of string of shots. When it comes to large scenario games. Gotta expect string of shots with so many players.

[@Therian47]

There could be an argument for overshooting in high end professional play, but, it doesn't belong at the local course. maybe 15 years ago now 2 of my friends quit playing paintball because they got just lit up by 50+ balls on their third game. It was so sad to see all the happiness of the first 2 leave them as they decided to call it quits and go home.

[@seanmurphy4333]

I haven't played in many years, but your videos keep me entertained. Keep it up! As someone who was always extremely competitive, being tagged by a few extra shots to me just came with the territory of playing in a more skilled environment (paying for my mistakes), the game is just faster, and it wasn't something I necessarily became upset about (I actually can't remember ever becoming upset while playing, it isn't that serious). That said, seeing how all sports and the sportsmanship within each has evolved throughout the years, there is a distinct difference between eating a few extra shots and really overshooting. I'd hate to say it, but it seems like people are just soft these days. It's a team game, but the players are often self-centered/have a superiority complex (and dramatic), why? Look at airsoft videos if you want, the people who overshoot are often the most decked out, and the most emotional crybabies at the same time, while literally assaulting/battering other players (sometimes little kids suffering as a result), why? Where's the sportsmanship? I think the rules are overcomplicated when it comes to overshooting, is the player eliminated and is it known? Yes, let them out, if they get hit a few times walking off the field then so be it. Are they clearly out of a lane and being shot just because, then find a way to send the message. When money is on the line, maybe a monetary penalty would send that message (fine the team on winnings or anything which they have to pay for). Find a way to enforce what should be common knowledge (sportsmanship) and make it a punishment for the team, it'll be a problem sorted out from within the team and those kinds of players will be dealt with. Again, there is a clear difference between being competitive and setting a tone for the match or laying that foundation of fear in another player vs legitimately messing someone up, the excuse of competitiveness only goes so far in my book. When it comes to rec players, well shit.. idk, the business needs to set some ground rules and find a way to enforce them while not losing business. Thats harder to enforce imo, physically fighting over it isn't worth it, to many softies in today's day and age, people will resort to real violence after challenging you to a fight and realizing they are about to get their you know what handed to them on silver platter. Just my 2cents, distinguish aggressive/competitive play vs legitimate abuse and make a rule that breaking will result in serious consequences for the team as a whole (money). Other then that, it ain't that serious, people gotta chill out

[@breed4659]

I got ina fistfight after being shot 20+ times at a local field by a player that hated me. I sprinted across the field in the middle of the game while getting unloaded on to teach him a lesson.

[@michaelkeha]

Overshooting is like in MMA when one fighter starts hammer fisting his clearly out cold opponent until the ref pulls him off it's a clear display of a lack of discipline and proper training

[@hyperkoala1758]

Overshooting has mostly been players policing each other when refs do nothing. Ive done it when players are running through and not getting penalties. It has no place in the game and refs should be cracking down on it hard as well as enforcing all the rules equally and alwayd.

[@paintballjourney6988]

It's funny I was thinking Lasoya before you even mentioned him. I was there when he got kicked out of the PanAm for unloading on a guy's head. I always thought he was a great player without all that BS. I think some people like to be hated.

[@izaakburningham3188]

Pretty sure here in Canada, malicious over shooting and the like could be considered Assault. Paintballs hurt, they leave bruises and welts. You start laying into someone it's gone beyond the sport and goes into just wanting to hurt someone

[@Corbin-k1w]

Okay, to be quite frank. It does make paintball more of an interesting sport to watch when you know someone is going to be prone to be overshot. But for players who are playing it’s super annoying, because to be honest I’d rather lay in my bed with maybe one to a couple shots rather than 15,000 to the head or dome

[@johnbrown7911]

Man its been so long since ive been out of the game. I stop competing and playing altogether when i was 18/19 (2006). Overshooting was a thing but it was not very common. Sure some people sometimes got upset but i think that was more ego driven than anything else and not people teying to "hurt" someone. I couldnt get over the cheating. Blantant cheating everywhere. From sandbagging to wipes to ramped markers and of course refs playing favourites. I figured it was just part of the game. All good, had great memories and experiences. I dont remember ever being obsessed over anything in my life except paintball.

[@JinxysAdventures]

I did a video on this couple of weeks ago, I have 2 grandsons just started (14&15) they have to play with adults. Beauan played for GB Under 16s at the nations cup, he is used to it but my other just started play and he understands it happen but when it starts getting stupid he’s parents might just stop him playing. Kids are the sports future and if we don’t come down on this, it will kill the sport. Controller aggression is a true sports player, you would not accept football player jump on someone’s head over and over in a game!!!

[@MrAdam4232]

Keep up the vids love em but as a umpire at the beginning of a baseball game when tell the teams the strike zone you gotta meet with your refs and paint ball teams and tell them the rules

[@joshuaestes808]

1:27 all the refs throwing their flags at once lol

[@UrbanDefenseSystems]

Introduce the ability to throw hands like Hockey, and you'll see this happen way less often. It looks like it's always small guys who can't fight their way out of a paper bag who are mostly doing this.

[@kacchanteh6532]

If the player raises his hands ,we can safely stop shooting but I always think overshooting waste time. Sometimes u overshoot to make sure the opponent is really out

[@OwenMowMotion]

i think the best way to go about it is, If both parties are doing it then its fair. If people are overshooting with intent to cause harm then IMO it clearly shouldn't be allowed

[@gotlumpz4upaintball447]

Love this video Brad. Salute!

[@carloswhit3769]

Hey, Sir, all I wanted to say about the guy that caught 30 + is the rule was ( I thought ) one hand on head, and no talking? And in regards to the parents watching any clips their kids might show them, just remember that is not your typical walkon game. 7 years plus reffing under my belt, mostly as head ref of walkon games here in SC at paintball charleston. That puts me at near 3k games ( mostly plus ) that I personally overseen.

[@Yedee]

Overshooting isn't a "style", it's just plain bad sportsmanship and bullying.

[@blokebmx]

You got to like really do it!! My favorite thing about the sport, They need too bring the penalty box back.

[@Andrew-us2fk]

I haven't played in years but it's down to 10bps? That's crazy over shooting shouldn't happen far as often as it used to. Back at 15bps it was almost a guaranteed to catch a few extra shots lol

[@DeygudBoyes]

it comes with a level of intensity. i'm old school though, i think it totally has a place. think about hitting and fighting in hockey, how does that look to a parent? it's a part of the game

[@Crafftyyy]

Ex fighting bow gets you a ban unfortunately.

[@theehans]

Overshooting is just another form of poor sportsmanship, if a ref isn't calling it out it's because that ref isn't a true ref. The sport clearly needs to be cleaned up. I left paintball about 15 years ago because of this. It's only becoming more and more toxic, it's not very professional anymore.

[@ScrotalsbySackington]

I played CFOA, Super 7, and early NXL Amateur division and moonlit for 2 GA NCAA teams Kennesaw State and UGA, I played tourney 02-07 back in the unregulated 22bps matrix, timmys, speeds and FLYS, impulses and shocker NXTs.. we ALL ramped, we all have rip drive HALOs that could FEED up to 25bps and many of our guns were very close to keeping a constant hose of 17-20bps at all times. I never liked spool guns and stuck to wdp Speeds and flys... Back the. 4-5bonus balls started an argument 5-10 got nasty, and anything over was physical. If us, with our literal paintball hoses could manage not to bonus ball the ever loving piss out of someone, these 10.1 bps players have NO EXCUSE. The second we saw a splatter or a hand go up, it stopped. I will never forget the fight I got in at CFOA March 2004 at ultimate paintball in Canton GA. I was the last man on my team on a 3 v 1... I was a back player and not getting the flag I was boxed in at can 2 back left quadrant. I was good at snapping off and ramping out a good 35 balls eliminate 2, one on snake pillow 1, one on d3 .. then their left ,my right front man I spot running down my right tape and I catch him with a burst... I was using extremely bright Diablo Hellfire yellows.. at least 5 balls break in an upward right diagonal series of images. Side of his ribs to his left shoulder. It's obvious. He doesn't stop and rips about 50 on me hits starting at least 3 seconds after my final ball splattered on him. The ref called it a 1 for 1 draw. I speared the guy and dumped on his stomach then unleashed a tirade of slurs and insults and let him know next time he'd be severely injured. Yes, regrettable. But I was a livid 18yr old, extremely angry because I should've been given a really awesome underdog victory for my team. And the fact I always played by the rules and this dikkhead didn't

[@butterlover7592]

I don’t like overshooting but in a tournament setting I can let it slide because it’s heated and got high stakes, plus it’s debatably a viable strategy. But in rec ball that’s a whole different story

[@bknwuzheer1]

I think overshooting is becoming more of a negative thing because of how the times have changed somewhat. Calling someone a wimp because they complain about being overshot isn't as strong of an argument as it used to be. Nowadays terms like "toxic masculinity" and "alpha-chad mentality" exist and are known by the newer generations and have mixed opinions rather than a unanimous acknowledgement as "it's a fact of life." Personally though, I think it's case to case. If you don't like being overshot, then don't overshoot people. Running into those people is a fact of life and you'll always run that risk when playing paintball;' it's an extreme sport and adrenaline makes people do extreme things. On the other hand, If you don't see overshooting as a bad thing, it means you're not allowed to get mad at someone who overshoots you or else you're contradicting yourself and joining the negative clamor against it.

[@jamesmitchell2704]

I never had a problem with overshooting unless it was close up.

[@obeastness]

I think we need to always be careful of creating a "new normal" which we don't want when trying to solve a problem like this. To me this is a classic case of misdiagnosis, the issue isn't the number of paintball impacts, everyone is wearing protective gear, and the paintball guns are not so dangerous to nit pick about this. I think what really needs to be addressed in the culture is the disrespect, lack of self control, and ego. It's all in the attitude. They need to punish people who over react to being shot. If you take the side of the person who has been shot several times(possibly too many) than you are creating this new normal where now they have an expectation of how many times they are allowed to be shot, therefore they can feel justification in their own outbursts and childish behavior.

[@HoldMy1911]

We used to call it "bunkering" or "bunker" somebody, back in my day.

[@Resident_Kriegsman]

0:55 Yeah I like playing stupid aggressive, i prefer not to overshoot but if its done to me I'll get myself penalized stitching you back, overshooting in general is a waste of paint, id rather get that visual confirmation of spatter and once i see that I'm looking for the next guy. If i see that hand go up i disengage, Youve called yourself out, Alright cool, no need to keep sending it your way.

[@derekpham6722]

I have a question I feel like in the early 2000s paintball look like it it was going to the next big thing. But why do you think it never fully went mainstream with TV deals and being branded as a possible sport/entertainment project

[@RowanBorat]

My buddies and I paintball for fun. And it's gets damn intense we are all super competitive guys. But never has anyone been shot more than 2 or 3 times. Personally anymore than 3 shot is clearly blatant.

[@armandomadrid8684]

Man whatever happened to the 3+2 packs? As a front player I only needed a max of 4 pods back in the day

[@CZ4321-e1k]

When's the last time you saw somebody having fun paintballing

[@PhilbyFavourites]

I played it before the presenter was born here in UK. Very rare to have effective “sub machine gun” type weapons. If you’re going to have “pretend war” - that’s what it is. Then relate it to real war and ensure that competitors have rates of fire, reload abilities and maximum round capacity that your standard issue guy in the ground would have. Just don’t see the activities portrayed here in the “real” world of conflict. Those actions basically get you killed. Glad I don’t play it anymore

[@Struggle.Snuggles]

Overshooting isn't needed. I've played many a games and cannot stress that I've seen players overshoot and all it does is it causes tempers to flair.

[@lightnangles]

ZP situation, most ballers can get on board with. He possibly played on to trade out, then got in Mouse's face and wouldn't get off the field. Bonus ball green lit all the way. Situations like the Clint Johnson bitch move is just assault plain and simple. That's like a basketball player slamming the ball into someone's face when they're laying on the floor, just because they're down on points. NBA probably not going to look the other way in that situation, so why should a supposedly "pro" league like the NXL let it slide? Yet another reason this supposed sport will never be taken that seriously. If you can't enforce the most basic rules, it's not professional, nor is it going to be feasible as a mass consumable product.

[@Kano_Productions]

I do airsoft, but it's the same thing. It's just unnecessary and toxic. You don't need to shoot a guy 10 times. It's just people being emotionally unstable and a need to feel strong. It's ridiculous

[@Shadowfalls89]

I've been paintballing numerous times in my life, and every time I like the idea of it, and then I run into people on the field who are overshooting, flouting rules, etc. But hey, they're a regular on the field, know the ref, and it's NBD, I'm just a new guy. So no, I don't play paintball. It is unprofessional. It is dirty. It is disrespectful. I've no interest in joining a sport that is dominated by people who do this kind of thing.

[@MultiGonda]

AC Diesel playing bad boys instead of playing good paintball. Dont know why the owner keeps this weak mentality players. It's fair when they both keep shooting each other, but overshooting when the other guy is not even pointing at you....thats cowards shit...and celebrating or feeling proud of it...even worse.

[@somebrains5431]

He burned so much $ and time on Diesel. Look at the handful of flaming shit he got left with.