CS2 vs TM40: What’s The Best High-End Gun?

[@andrew77961]

I’m looking at getting back into the sport after 12 years away. Your channel has been very helpful in getting caught back up with the new gear that I missed out on. Things sure have changed! Keep up the good work. Subscribed.

[@jacobc4582]

Things haven't changed much, the luxe platform has been out almost a decade, Dm3s still the smoothest shooting gun ever. Only difference now is LPRs are basically non existent on all new guns, but that became common 6-7 years ago.

[@andrew77961]

@@jacobc4582 I ended up buying a 170R and was able to play with it a few times before winter took over my area. I’m really happy with it. Now I’ll probably get a mech frame for it.

[@jacobc4582]

@@andrew77961 too much kick for me. I shoot an encored luxe. I've had a few 170rs, just actually bought one today for 550, but I only buy them for the purpose of rebuilding and reselling. The cs2 is the only thing with a comparable shot to my luxe, unless I wanna shoot an old heavy matrix variant like a dm3 or dm4, but if you snagged your 170r for around 650 or lower, there aren't many guns other than the Ice or Prime that I'd compare it to as far as quality, plus PE is known for good customer service

[@justalpha9138]

@@andrew77961 I've been playing paintball since the 7th grade (I'm 20 now), and up until recently have been using a modified Tippmann Cronus to dominate my opponents. Just recently I decided to buy both a First Strike T15 and a Tippmann TiPX as part of a second loadout (I'll never give up my modified Tippmann Cronus) because I've been wanting my second marker to be mag fed for years. Got everything in the mail recently and I can't wait to try it all out! :)

[@drizzy8202]

@@jacobc4582 Vanquish 2.0 tho

[@leeholloway6284]

Just decided to get back into the sport after 12 years! Went with a DLS and LV1.6. Love the DLS so far!

[@PaintballRuinedMyLife]

Welcome back!

[@FitzGamez]

Love your videos brad! I'm opposites with ya on the upgrade to the tm40. Adrenaline bolt is pretty awesome and that adrenaline frame is spectacular! And the air efficiency. I've seen atleast 2-3 pods more on the TM40 compared to the cs2 after break in. Luxe is for sure an experience.... see what I did there. Lol

[@TheDotransporter]

This guy narrative is the best, I like his style.

[@chris.5434]

Meanwhile I’m over here with a $300 mini slapping folks with 1k plus guns lol. Gun is just a tool in a big battle of factors.

[@staycompassionate3811]

🤭

[@luisgranados2545]

Hey bro my TM40 is leaking took out my mini GS and fell in love with it again I would give away all my guns including my 170r to keeP my mini fucken love that gun

[@chris.5434]

@@luisgranados2545 yup! There’s many reasons why it hasn’t changed in about 10 years. If it works don’t fix it. If these company’s really wanted to help the sport they would stop changeing one thing and calling it a whole new gun lol. I think the geo 3 is gonna be my next buy. Another 10 year old gun that is a monster. And super efficient.

[@luisgranados2545]

@@chris.5434 100% that’s why went I get back in the sport first gun I always buy is the mini this was my first high end gun since 170r is considered mid range lol but that mini has never failed me since my 1st gen one over 10 years ago

[@twitchpfpro6377]

What’s your gun?

[@reedwetzel1324]

I agree , I was a shocker rsx and gog enemy owner and had issues with both of those markers and same with empire markers. I decided to give planet eclipse markers a try and give into the fanboyism. Sold all my empire markers and shocker/gog markers and bought planet eclipse and never had issues the past couple years. This weekend I played with my emek and lv1.6 and no issue, but my two friends one with s Luxe x and luxe ice both went down with solenoid issues. Until, I'm staying away from dlx markers until. I see long term reliability. Only thing I miss from my empire vanquish that I liked better then my cs2 is how smooth the v16 bolt is , but vanquish issues are worse than dlx or planet eclipse.

[@JB-es9un]

I’ve heard solenoid issues with Luxe is a problem with some people. I haven’t broken mine in yet so verdict is out if I’ll end up in the same boat. I know if my solenoid goes down before 80k shots I’m selling and going CS2.

[@reedwetzel1324]

@@JB-es9un I agree, i love the features of the luxe and shot is great. But reliability is big for me ,since the events I go , I have never see a dlx/shocker tech and if my marker goes down and it's not an issue to figure out issue. That is a pain

[@JB-es9un]

@@reedwetzel1324 totally agree. Nothing sucks more than having your premier marker go down in the middle of a tournament or on a weekend with the boys. I have an M2+ Mosair as my back up which is nice but it’s not Luxe TM40, Geo4, or CS2. I’m thinking about selling the M2 Mosair and go with a Geo4 as my main backup.

[@BB-pg5kl]

And I have experienced the opposite. Never had any of the Enmeys I've owned give me issues in comparison to the 1st and 2nd Emek I owned have stock Emek valve issues with the spool (causes firing issues from it getting stuck. In regards to LVs had a couple solenoids (LVR and 1.5) go down on low shot count markers. The solenoids were known to be hit or miss until the 1.6. Now people are experiencing LPR issues with the 1.6. In regards to the Gamma Pro core they are breaking on people even though they are being taken apart as instructed.

[@mponce187]

12k shots on my TM40 so far. Absolutely love this marker.

[@XxJkatxX]

On the note of Upgradability/Mechanical frames for both. The TM40 you can actually get the Adrenaline mechanical frame anytime straight from multiple websites and have shipped ASAP. The CS2 mechanical frame has only had a batch or 2 go out to people they are still impossible to get unless you want to pay a markup price 2nd hand. Also, You have The Adrenaline bolt for the TM40 so Upgradabily right now definitely goes to the TM40.

[@PaintballRuinedMyLife]

Im more surprised people aren't complaining about the kick section.

[@XxJkatxX]

@@PaintballRuinedMyLife don't take my comment as a complaint just as more information that seemed to have been overlooked.

[@JB-es9un]

@@PaintballRuinedMyLife there is still movement on the TM40 for sure. It’s extremely smooth and buttery but the CS2 has almost no movement when your on a full ramp while the TM40 has slight movement when having a constant ramp going. For snap shooting and laying a few ropes at a time I think it’s fairly even with CS2 coming out on top just barely. Just my opinion though.

[@PaintballRuinedMyLife]

@Jstew Productions For sure 👍, I shouldn't have used the word complain thats not really how I meant that.

[@Matter_Of_Fact]

An 18 minute pb vid? Lets go

[@MrRKitson]

You can get different grips for the luxe x. Im pretty sure they will fit the tm40. Apart from that i agree on everything. I prefer the ergonomics of the luxe. I also prefer the shot. Surprise, Surprise. I own a luxe x.

[@jswallet]

I know this video is old, but I just picked up a Project TM40 with matching mechanical frame, and I love it! Far cry from my old Luxe 2.0 that was always giving me issues.

[@axledog7297]

To expand on your thoughts in the "kick" section - The TM40 bolt accelerates faster and it has a shorter stroke. If you analyze the bolt guide's first stage orifice diameter, as well as the guide seal location and spacing, you'll be able to see this.

[@OSKOcolot]

I want to analyze your first stage orifice diameter imped

[@JB-es9un]

Tell me more about this long stroke…

[@ryankenaley7401]

I knew this was imped lol

[@MuadDiiib]

none of these guns have kick. paintball guns dont have kick period. if you cant handle your marker, then you shouldnt be playing.

[@axledog7297]

@@MuadDiiib Strange flex, but I'm more than aware of that.

[@gattyau2919]

I would love to see a video of all top tier markers from all brands like this video but with every paintball brand that makes markers (Dye, Luxe, Eclipse, Macdev, Field 1 etc)

[@PaintballRuinedMyLife]

I love the idea, but would be an crazy amount of work for one video.

[@clubdredd1337]

@@PaintballRuinedMyLife if you need any help let me know!!! Let's make it happen!!!

[@jabberwocky2505]

@@PaintballRuinedMyLife I own every high end marker if you need any for this idea 🤷‍♂️

[@wiltonater]

Dye M3+, Planet Eclipse CS2 Pro, DLX Luxe TM40, and Field One Force not the Empire Syx fits with those.

[@jabberwocky2505]

@@wiltonater doesn't need to be a cs2 pro. There's literally no difference except the pro has an extra trigger and aluminum barrel tip.

[@the2scruffy]

So I have had my hands on cs2 cs2 pro geo 4 luxe x luxe ace dye m3+ and my opinion is like what is being said in this video how do your hands work on your marker and how much you love paintball. I still haven't been able to get my hands on a tm40. I really want to mech luxe but Planet's guns are easier to customize, maintenance, and easier to give an introductory player that is trying to upgrade to a high lvl marker. I know mech is finally taking a big piece of the pie now and I am super excited. Planet is a non worry on every day maintenance and wanting something simple but for a player that doesn't know how to take care of a marker correctly this can cause a big issue. Knowing how to properly take care of clean and lube your marker can be interesting. This can even go further to the players that were with me back in the early 2000's that want cockers shoe boxes cyborgs automags. You can get to the point if you screw up with cleaning, lubing or taking care of your luxe dye planet or any other is such a detriment in quality. After saying everything I honestly love my luxe ace with the rubber front grip than any other spool gun on the market. Have I had issues hell yeah was it my fault you bet it was. Am I going to throw a side note in this. You bet I will. Where the fuck is the new poppets.

[@HillBros06]

"The CS2 mech frame you can just go pick up" LOL, yeah right

[@williswoods2245]

Haha, definitely not. You can at least buy them on the used market though. I actually felt that one was a bit unfair as there are aftermarket bolts and Adrenaline frames out for the TM40. Silly category in any case.

[@timtaylor1327]

So the gun that takes batteries and cost more has the lower cost of ownership? I’m an eclipse fan boy but that logic seems silly to me.

[@ryanhaghtalab8935]

It’s called gear maintenance lol

[@Jarandjar]

The cost is lower over time.

[@aspectz709]

would u say the geo 4 is better than the cs2 now or even the lv1.6 whats your choice for speedbal marker out of everything

[@SempiternalTitan]

Tried to give the TM40 a shot. Had issues out of the box, didn't play one day with it. Sent it in to their tech center and got no reply for a month. The store I bought it from worked with me and let me get a CS2 Pro and will have a TM40 sent to them to replace the one I bought. I should have never left PE. Their reliability and build quality is the best out there. As well as customer service.

[@Dearborn2213]

came back after 10 years and had to ask everyone what was the gat to get , most said cs2 but one kid said "this is the alternative" and let me use his luxe and i was sold. bought one that night. my option its the better option. everyone having the same crap is bad for the market too.

[@justalpha9138]

After 7 years (more or less) of using my modified Tippman Cronus, I wanted to get into magfed paintball and most recently bought a First Strike T15 alongside a Tippman TiPX after weighing out all of my options. It's a pain in the butt to do all the research, but in the end it makes you getting that new product so much more satisfying.

[@nicholasbendinelli684]

Bought a 170R and my asa pinhole leaks, yes I checked my sol… Also the manual does not have correct info, wrong o-ring sizes, ask Rory. Almost went Luxe over P.E bc of the issues, but this video helped me stay P.E. Dam you’re thorough. Thank you

[@reallytalltom1712]

Came back to paintball 3 years ago after a 15 Yr break. Picked up a second hand gtek. I've put 45k shots down it with no issues. And only a few breaks to boot. Now own an lv1.6. OMG it's a dream. Planet eclipse for life. I'm an engineer for a living, I want to spend my weekends playing paintball not fixing things! Besides Some of us still hold a grudge against the gardner brothers for destroying bushmaster (Indian creek) and Angel.!! Showing my age! 🤣 🤦‍♂️

[@BB-pg5kl]

Good thing you grabbed a 1.6 and not any of the previous LV iterations because the solenoids in those were extremely hit or miss. Spending 170 on a new known mehhh solenoid was not fun.

[@rofairsmithing]

@@BB-pg5kl never had an issue with my old LV1. Even my 06 Ego still has the original solenoid.

[@BB-pg5kl]

@@rofairsmithing nice. Plenty of people did. It was a known issue. Hence the reason the LV series went out of production for awhile, and a new solenoid was developed.

[@rofairsmithing]

@@BB-pg5kl LV solenoids seem to be more finicky

[@BenWebster84]

This just a matter of opinion... Personally I still love my 2K5 Dark Timmy and it still hangs with modern guns and it's super comfortable to shoot

[@MattyBpranks]

They need to make high school paintball teams

[@saulliang5880]

Fk yeah they do

[@CreepinCreeper01]

Parents don't wanna pay 25$ for a field lol try telling them they need to shell out $2000 on paintball gear and another $200 a month on paint

[@justalpha9138]

I'd love that, but until the sport gets way less expensive, that won't happen.

[@adamgriffin]

I've got tiny danty hands so the Luxe has always felt better. With these two guns it's finally up to your body type, and ultimately your Marker sponsor. I played with a CS2 before I got picked up by a DLX team so the only real difference that is arguable is how big or small are your hands? No need to be a fanboy. These guns perform identical

[@jggutierrez9]

Excellent comparison! I enjoy your insights very well done. I am thinking about upgrading my old EGO 7.

[@reallytalltom1712]

Lv1.6 all the way! Amazing marker!

[@alexysortiz9683]

Any PE will do the job! Keep the 07!

[@rofairsmithing]

@Jason Gutierrez my main is an SL66 and backup is an Ego8. there’s zero reason not to use your Ego7 man, it’ll still keep up with any new marker. My 66 and 08 actually shoot almost as smooth as my old LV1 to be honest. People are amazed at how well a 13 and 15 year old marker shoot. The LV1 did have a smoother shot, but it wasn’t a massive difference.

[@alexysortiz9683]

@@rofairsmithing agreed!! Just beed a couple extra qev's!! And youre done

[@rofairsmithing]

@@alexysortiz9683 no need to add a 2nd QEV to an 07 now with the 10.3 cap. Add a Zick2 rammer kit and tune the marker properly and it’ll shoot amazing

[@weroliera]

Geo4 for me all day

[@addxgordophillips9941]

I'm crossed between the two screw it I'm going to have to get both the cs2 pro and Goe 4 I'm just going to get the geo 4 first order Ed the pink lady Goe 4

[@ajgallegos7432]

@@addxgordophillips9941 i got the geo 4. Did u end up getting the cs2 pro? Whats your opinion?

[@saulliang5880]

Ive watched this video about 10 times in the last 2 weeks and still can't decide which to keep. I love both?

[@justalpha9138]

I had a very similar issue recently, but with magazines fed markers. My advice is make a list of exactly what you're looking for on top of a list of what each gun you're looking into has and doesn't have. Then once you think you have the perfect choice, let everything go for two weeks, and then when two weeks go by and you still haven't changed your mind, get that gun. This is what I did for my First Strike T15 very recently.

[@kermitttt]

If you add some freaks inserts, proce diference will be smaller. They both great markers, but i just like how tm 4o looks. Its realy slick design, where cs2 looks just like it have to. basicly no design.

[@hptubez21]

These 2 markers might have been the pinnacle of paint ball gunz.

[@PaintballRuinedMyLife]

Pretty much!

[@syafire42]

What color wave is the tm40?

[@darrankaminski1247]

my question is accuracy, is accuracy in the shot quality topic or is it over looked for this episode?

[@PhoenixRising510]

I’m due for an upgrade I always like bob long but I’m replacing ego 08 what do think about the vcom vs planet eclipse

[@ConTheDon187]

I have an lv1 and a shocker rsx and they're both old markers at this point. I can't justify the cost of a CS2 or a TM40 but I would get a 160r/170r or a used amp for sure because IMO the amps are doing to be as good as the tm40 but for the shocker price. Really though it's gonna come down to feel and that's all individual preference so I try not to tell people to buy one or the other but to hold whatever guns they like the most and go from there. It's not like you really change much other than o rings parts wise unless you're unlucky or do something bad lol

[@jacobdole6851]

Brad is the best in the business of rating markers idc what anyone says

[@FlickFreaks]

I miss the old days when you could really upgrade your marker. It really showed your style & personality.

[@tennisjiujitsu]

Haven’t played since 2014. I used a Vanguard Demon. Loved that gun so much! It was a laser beam! That company was ahead of its time. Too bad they got greedy and went under. About to pull the trigger on the TM40. Seems like the Luxe shoots like a Demon. Correct me if I’m wrong. I’m completely out of the loop on things now. There’s so many options now that I’m a rich 30 year old. 😂

[@FloridaBikeVlogger]

oh damn. waiting on this one

[@keenanneal5933]

30k shot through my tm40 not including mech. Haven’t had a single issue as of now and I’ve switched between electro and mech plenty of times. The PE fanboys can’t deny the shot quality either.

[@Carteri-1]

How Popular is paintball over in America. does the sport still have a good sized community? been wanting to get into it in Australia just worried im going to get into a sport where there is no community. but im super passionate about pb

[@JB-es9un]

Depends on what state you’re in. It’s very popular in California, Texas, Florida, Carolinas, and Georgia. You can still find paintball fields in almost all states but it may be more spread out than the ones I listed. For me I’m in a small town in Texas and have 3 fields within 15-50 miles of my home. The community is filled with tons of people using groupons on the weekend for some weekend fun or first timers. The other group is either mag fed or speedballers which is a healthy mix of 50/50. So it really depends on where you’re at and research fields close by etc.

[@Carteri-1]

@@JB-es9un im looking for guns like the dye dsr or within that range of price like i dont want to buy something cheap and low end but not like the dye m3 etc. looking for something that i can play woodsball and speedball thats why i like the looks of the dye dsr but i believe they are all sold out

[@justalpha9138]

@@Carteri-1 Tippman Cronus or TMC and modify it as you go. That's what I did and mine is still fragging people even after 7 years.

[@justalpha9138]

And paintball is quite popular depending on where you are. For me I have literally over 40 fields I can go to within a two hour radius. XD

[@Carteri-1]

@@justalpha9138 where is that holy fuck

[@Debate_everything]

The cs2 is not but it’s just to simple. My X has been solid and in fact has been amazing, where my teammates are having issues with their pe guns. Now I suspect it’s because they do it maintain them IE re-lube and such which will be the biggest issue for any gun. My biggest turn off for the cs2 is the bulky rubber. The trigger frame on the luxe has a nice hourglass shape and it makes it feel ultralight in hand and swapping hands it’s like there is nothing on the way.

[@msher1438]

How is Dye M3?

[@benbertin4750]

Is the Dye m3+ not a competitor?

[@infamouspyro1953]

Very useful info. 👌

[@0331longrifle]

To be honest, since the rate of fire was limited to 10 balls a second in tourneys there’s no advantage to these expensive markers. Think about the 2000’s, we bought better guns and hoppers so we could run higher rates of fire. I bought an Angel IR3 because I could shoot it faster than my Bushmaster. Now that ROF is capped, really what’s the point?

[@benjaminkitchen7562]

SPOT ON REVIEW

[@orleansgac4088]

Just do not agree with the assessment. I think the Upgradablity category is the same as TM will make accent kits. And if we look at features we can harp on the TM40 eye wire but what about the CS board it’s like from what 2008? They both work well. But I think feature wise the TM wins that as well as value. Right now there are many people that will trade a tm for a cs.

[@rofairsmithing]

How is the CS2 board from 2008?

[@calebbrown2983]

Personally, the luxe really only feels good if you wrap your thumb over the top of the barrel

[@mk84boom]

Funny thing for me is the fact that I am a huge DYE fan. I currently own a DSR, along with a M3+, a DM 15, and a M2. I was interested in getting a used Luxe x with only 5000 shots on it for less than 900.00. Should I buy it or save my pennies for a CS2???

[@Shaynex36]

If you're a fan of dye guns then you'll probably lean more towards DLX over planet eclipse because of that shot quality. But if you do want to go planet eclipse you would want to look at the geo 4 over the cs2 because of the shot quality. A luxe X at 900 is over priced btw. Nice ones can be had for for 800-850 fairly regularly with those occasional good deals ones coming up at 750ish

[@joshklein317]

Whats the cheapest paintball gun?

[@venom9655]

Do you like the lv1.6 more than them

[@PaintballRuinedMyLife]

I don’t, I think I’d pick the CS2.

[@venom9655]

@@PaintballRuinedMyLife should I get a cs2 pro or a geo 4

[@mikephillips9232]

I got 7 pods and a 280 and used only 2500PSI (80/45) I should be able to get 13 pods and a 280 (15 total) off a full 4500, I never got close to that with any other modern marker

[@jabberwocky2505]

Air efficiency is a mute point anymore. We aren't in the 10 man days shooting 20 balls a second. Even the most gun heavy back player is maybe shooting 7-8 pods a point and that's not even that common.

[@JB-es9un]

It’s too early to tell how reliable the new TM40s will be in the long run while we know the CS2 is tried and true. I went with the TM40 because I wanted to give DLX a shot at their newest high end and see what it can do. Worse come to worse I can trade for a CS2 as the market will be wanting both of these guns for a while. Agree with everything in this video, great write up as always! Ultimately it comes down to personal preference. Both guns are going to be snappy, lay paint where you want it and get the job done. UPDATE: I had a minor leak with the TM40 after 1 pod and it turns out the Solenoid on this gun is very particular on how it needs to be set when locking it into the latch frame. Even if it looks good and locks it might not be in straight enough to ensure a proper seal. So if you end up with a popping leak near the solenoid I’d make sure it’s set on straight and the latch is as flush against the solenoid as it can be. I would not recommend this gun for beginner players.

[@luisgranados2545]

Not reliable mine has leaked since day one waste of $1500

[@luisgranados2545]

Tried calling LUXE but when you call for a tech phone calls get transfer to voicemail 2 days trying to reach them

[@JB-es9un]

@@luisgranados2545 Thats unfortunate. I’ve read from other sites that DLX are rushing these out the door as fast as they can. One guy had the same problem and was able to get it fixed by a Luxe tech. The issue was the seals and o-rings were not properly lubricated which caused a leak. I’d try disassemble the gun and grease everything real good.

[@luisgranados2545]

That was me 2 a Luxe Tech Lubed the ASA worked fine for the day went home lubed it up and the next week the issue was still there so that means the asa needs lubing every match never done that in my 12 years of playing I don’t think i actually ever lubed a ASA

[@luisgranados2545]

I was lucky that at the field a player was a Luxe tech and fixed it but to Lube the ASA after every match so it wont leak doesn’t seam reliable and the fact that LUXE hadn’t answered and blocked me from instagram because i called the gun trash pisses me off more

[@dand2440]

Luxe work 60% of the time, every time

[@stevolam182]

M3+ over all these guns though…yes, it’s ridiculously expensive and people despise the eye cup, but the bolt system is higher quality then both these guns.

[@SectorS7VEN]

I don’t get the hate for the eye pipe, I love it. It’s easier to clean the eye pipe than the eyes of either of those guns imo

[@jacobwilbert1018]

That was an enexpected outcome. 😂

[@fortke66]

I just can’t get over the shot of the CS2, it just feels meh to me. It’s not snappy, it’s not squishy, just a weird semi soft “pop.” I like the Geo 4 much more when going PE.

[@mannifessor]

I have both and I agree I love the geo 4 shot over my cs2 pro

[@derek6362-v6j]

1000%

[@unisonosc1617]

same, had an infamous cs2 and the shot sounded like hollow plastic and felt cheap. went back to cs1 right away

[@stny15]

I’m just getting into paintball could you help me

[@gotmilk6955]

Geo 3.5 gnag where yall atttttt

[@Hempfuelgroup]

Looks like MIB guns 😎

[@yakitoriPB]

At least having the 170r and luxe tm40 now the flaw in your point in the foregrip is the forward angle if the luxe keeps your hand tight up under the barrel. Unless you wrap your thumb around the back of the reg like a chode

[@viviksabnani4193]

Anyone still waiting for their tm40? How long does it take?

[@JB-es9un]

If you pre-ordered it completely depends on how many people are in front of you and how many each website or store gets in at a time. DLX sends a shipment to the guys and they send out based on purchase date usually. It could be this week or it could be next month. :shrug: they are out there for sale without waiting on eBay and stores if you shop around. I got mine from a store that had stock and got it in like 2 days.

[@viviksabnani4193]

@@JB-es9un thanks for the feed back! They told me it would take between 30-45 days☹️

[@JB-es9un]

@@viviksabnani4193 dang man, sorry to hear that. On the bright side when you do get it it’s going to be amazing! I love mine.

[@viviksabnani4193]

@@JB-es9un I’m using my empire syx 1.5 with a freak XL for now and acp tip. What’s your take on this marker?

[@JB-es9un]

@@viviksabnani4193 it’s a solid marker for mid classes. A lot of people on my field use empire since they have a lot of empire stuff at the shop. If you know your marker inside and out you can get shots on dudes with CS2s, Luxe’s, or Dyes. I go for super high end for the shot placement and balls per second,which differs based on barrel and paint on top of the engine and tip you’re using. I mean i get smoked all the time going against AMPs, empires, and occasionally the rental Tippmans. Main thing is practice with your marker and look up different settings on PB Nation for your marker to see what other peeps use. If you’re gonna play with settings, be sure to write down your current ones or get ready to be able to factory reset your marker if needed.

[@cerwinlopez]

top 5 comment lol. enjoy your vids man keep up the great work

[@ericfarias2156]

What does CS in CS2 stand for?

[@stevieflores2302]

CS stand for Club Sport

[@jamesboxold9671]

Hands down cs2 you forgot about rechargeable aa batteries and you can get after market eye covers

[@billynoresco6370]

Planet eclipse is the only answer. You can’t beat the reliability of their markers.

[@bimmerben7686]

Sounds like a PE bro.

[@BB-pg5kl]

Plenty of PE markers have issues. Known solenoid issues, frames breaking, new gamma pro bolt guides snapping, even the new 1.6 having LPR issues, etc.

[@rofairsmithing]

@@BB-pg5kl EVERY marker is going to have issues. Whether we are talking about cars, equipment, or paintball guns it’s impossible to manufacture thousands of units without a single fault or issue. You can minimize errors with strict quality control, tolerances, materials, etc etc, but you’re never going to flush out every issue. So if your paintball marker does have a problem then the next area for a company to shine is with their customer service. It wasn’t even mentioned in this video, but PE customer service has been the best in the business for almost two decades. DLX or even Dye can’t compete with PE in that category. So yes, there is a slight chance that your CS2 might have a flaw. But there’s a 99.5% chance that PE is going to take care of it, while there’s been several complaints about DLX’s customer service.

[@BB-pg5kl]

@@rofairsmithing it's others making dumb statements like PE is the only reliable markers out there (case in point the statement I responded to). That's BS, and PE markers also have their own fair share of reliability issues. Yes PE CS is great until your low shot count solenoid goes out just a month after the year mark. Then it's on you to fork over $170 for a new solenoid even though they knew the current solenoid was unreliable... BTW 5 of the markers I own are newer PEs. They are great markers. They are good everything, but the best nowhere in regards to specific categories about performance.

[@rofairsmithing]

@@BB-pg5kl they’re definitely not the only reliable marker out there, and every brand has a few lemons. I think PE is where they are because for the past 16 years they’ve consistently made reliable markers that perform well and they back them up with excellent customer service. Yes, DLX is making great markers which are reliable, but they have a history of poor reliability with previous markers and this reputation has been difficult to shake. Their customer service is also nowhere near the level of PE’s customer service.

[@aaronp9835]

I like the Luxe but the CS2 is just geometrical perfection

[@jasondowns5169]

I would not spend the money for either. For the money I prefer the Amp and the Geo 4 / Cs1 better.

[@icecoldrugby]

The Goe4

[@playerstitch]

Dye DSR with Flex Bolt kit bro🤣

[@realkingrey2732]

Shocker AMP

[@bryceh2007]

i own both the tm40 and infamous cs2 pro, and agree the cs2 pro is the better choice

[@saulliang5880]

Update in 2023? CS3 vs CS2Pro?

[@skinnyboy400]

Hk Saber ftw

[@JB-es9un]

Lol 😂

[@SORBETVM]

I think it's strange to give PE the point in 'build quality' and then in the very next category explain how the detent design is better on the TM40. The TM40 also all aluminium vs PE using composite parts that are known to bend. I'm shooting a CS2pro but TBH I would've definitely given 'build quality' to DLX. The gun comes apart with two latches, shit's futuristic.. Also rechargable batteries?!

[@jabberwocky2505]

Build quality has nothing to do with the type of materials or factors like detents. Build quality is more in reference to tolerances, and material quality such as type of aluminum. I own every gun under the sun and PE simple has the best and most consistent tolerances where I've had a lot of tolerance issues with SP/DLX unfortunately.

[@JB-es9un]

@@jabberwocky2505 can you detail out some tolerance issues you’ve had with DLX? I’m actually interested to hear what kind of stuff you’re talking about so I know not to do it with mine haha.

[@jabberwocky2505]

@@JB-es9un I've had faulty bolt parts that were milled incorrectly and had to be replaced because the gun simply couldn't function properly, I had problems with a regulator that had to be completely replaced. My most recent SP/DLX gun has been an AMP and I had bolt tolerance issues with that as well to where I had to send it in.

[@JB-es9un]

@@jabberwocky2505 dang, I’ll keep an eye out when I’m breaking mine in. Reminds me I need to register my warranty.

[@jabberwocky2505]

@@JB-es9un I imagine they've gotten better over the years and I got a pretty rare issue, but still an issue none the less. but they also had issues with the RSX literally ejecting the bolt out of the back because of their faulty latch system.

[@literbike99]

Luxe Made Accents kits that kinda evens that point out IMO

[@adamhamrick1491]

Yeah and with how short supply is right now it's a little unfair anyway. I'm sure both companies with have more custom parts available when materials are actually available

[@richardm68]

Grips on a pro about £30 ( UK ) Luxe Accent kit like £99 🤔 yeah nahhh

[@BB-pg5kl]

@@richardm68 being able to actually get a mech frame for the TM40 from multiple sites vs a long waitlist for the CS2 mech frame unless you want to pay a premium on the second hand market.

[@ElevatedTrading1123]

lol way to do a comparison with one being your favorite gun 😂

[@ITsupportian]

When you shoot them in the face... "Welcome to the Luxe experience!"

[@01surge24]

Can’t go wrong with Planet Eclipse….my opinion…CS2 all day…but it you don’t want to spend the money…buy a170R…bullet proof

[@bayarearacing408]

luxe prob have better support. i mean DLX still sales parts for my 10 year old luxe 1.0.. Now and days that matters!

[@rofairsmithing]

You also forgot to mention that PE’s customer service is superior to DLX.

[@ahmari4u]

I like how the video starts off with the 70's porn music. Lolzzzz....

[@kadafi_squats6507]

Not true on efficiency. The TM40 KILLS nearly every other gun out there. Most tests are showing 12-14 pods and a hopper on a 68/45. The CS2 doesn't come close.

[@HungMelow]

10 months later I think tm40 is way better value. lol

[@francobaggage]

Brad!!!

[@warpedspeed05]

Cs2 pro is different from the cs2

[@reignick1133]

Easy solution to the "problem" of the CS2 running AA batteries? Rechargeable lithium AA's and a charger.. they do exist and work surprisingly well. There no E-waste and the batteries themselves as well as the charger aren't expensive so you can have as many as you want for very little spent.

[@PaintballRuinedMyLife]

Fore sure I even tell people to do this.

[@staycompassionate3811]

Geo 4

[@planeteclipse]

CS3.

[@gtifury310]

Neither. 170R

[@Nachtelfafronese]

I cannot agrie. I love planet and Hade a view guns my one. But, we Had 3 lux ice and 1 oled i our supair team and they never Had Problems, guns we're shooting in any condition. And in Germany, reselling an luxe i better than Planet, you get a bit more money after years.

[@OtisAngeltech]

Theyre all rebranded shockers. No pizzaz any more

[@Spice215]

Lv 1.6>>>> anything else

[@tdotvy4579]

I got my tm40 for 1100 bucks brand new.

[@PaintballRuinedMyLife]

Killer deals right now!

[@tdotvy4579]

@@PaintballRuinedMyLife Black Friday man

[@patrickconners]

PE ponies unite!!! jk I don’t even play anymore or own a marker

[@DaBunnanaKing]

Easy the CS2 is the superior marker. Luxe’s never work.

[@luisgranados2545]

100% my first $1500 gun first Luxe waited since april so i can just hear it leak lol doesn’t even work and Luxe blocked me from IG because I called the gun trash instead of helping me out I called tech and they forward calls

[@WiscoAdventures]

incoming TM40 owners who know better but disagree xD

[@russiancommy]

Worst comparison I've seen, you keep repeating the same points.

[@austang8556]

USA/UK. I say Buy a USA gun and not the UK Planet Eclipse, support our workers and OUR country and not the UK...

[@justrtist6355]

Your such a planet eclipes fanboy 🤣🤣🤣

[@SLSAMG]

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