Painting Clouds and Skies in Motion with David Dunlop

Painting Clouds and Skies in Motion with David Dunlop (105 minutes). In this program, David demonstrates how to paint a luminous sky in motion against a subtle background. David discusses the structure and design of the painting, using several personal photos as a template, and draws different possible compositions for his painting, discussing each step with you. He paints the very subtle gradations of color in a glowing sky and discusses the delicate touches and palette necessary to create this cloudscape, demonstrating many painting techniques for shaping, toning and creating texture and motion in a painting of clouds and sky. Using techniques of the old masters as well as contemporary methods, David Dunlop brings you a wealth of information, demonstrations, encouragement, tips, and insights in this 105 minute program.
Chapters:
Introduction: Begins at 0:00 minutes
Composition and Diagram: Begins at 02:35 minutes
Palette: Begins at 08:37
Oil Painting: Begins at 10:08 minutes
Join David for his live online Landscape Painting Workshops and More Painting programs: www.daviddunlop.com
SimmonsArt and David Dunlop © 2015 Remastered 2023

[@bobgoodnoe4583]

What a wonderful painter, instructor, technician, personality, attitude, and imagination. Wonderful video, sir. My hat is off. 👍👏👌

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

HI, bobgoodnoe4583! It is wonderful to hear from you - thank you for watching and for writing to us. We are so happy that you enjoyed the video! Good luck with your painting. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@vandannadale2689]

I live for more David Dunlop videos/instruction and they’re watched more than twice! If all my teachers had been like you, I’d be a PhD. THANK You! ✌🏼

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear vandannadale2689 - What wonderful comments - thank you so much! We are so happy to hear from you and to know that our programs are meaningful to you! That is very meaningful to us! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@lilliann3705]

This was extremely helpful! I never thought there was any emphasis on brush technique when I was studying art. It took many years and experimentation on my part to get good results. This video is worth a semester of classes. Thank you so much!

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Thank you, Lilliann3705 - We loved your comments. Thank you so much for watching and for writing to us. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@jackiegarroutte8970]

Beautiful painting! Thank you for the lesson...i hope to see more❤

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

HI, Jackie! Thank you for your lovely comments! We love hearing from you. We are going to be posting more programs and we hope that you enjoy them. Good luck with your painting. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@jackiegarroutte8970]

@@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt looking forward to it😍

[@aphroditesupperclub8603]

You are one of the BEST I've seen!

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear aphroditesupperclub8603 - Thank you so much for watching and for writing to us - we appreciate it! Good luck with your painting. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@breann1586]

You have such incredible knowledge and teaching ability. I wish art was taught the way you do it; I love all the scientific/psychological explanations you include. It's like left brain and right brain combined. :)

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear breann1586 - Thank you so much for your very kind comments - we are really happy that you enjoyed it! These are fascinating issues for life and painting. Thank you for watching and for writing to us - we appreciate it! Good luck with your painting. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@breann1586]

@@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt You're welcome! I look forward to watching the rest of your videos and applying what I learn. 🙂

[@danthomas6587]

Love this guy. Both his knowledge and his sense of humor.

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Hi, Dan - I am happy that you enjoyed it! Thank you very much for watching and for writing to us! It means so much to us to hear from you. All the best, David and Connie

[@TeamVEDEL]

This is a really high-quality instructional video, offers solid design ideas, painting methods, and so much more... Thank you.

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Thank you, TeamVEDEL - Thank you for such positive comments - It means so much to hear from you! We are really happy that you watched the program and then wrote to us. Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@shazart1111]

Oh the joy and beauty of flow, and you executed both exquisitely, Beautifully resulting in a fabulous piece of work, 👏bravo David, thank you 🖌️🎨

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear Shazart1111- Thank you for watching and for writing to us. It means so much to us to know that you enjoyed the program, Good luck with your painting. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@128cherylmarie]

I love how you show to step back from the painting and look at your work and review and recalculate the perspective. This is so important how you demonstrate this 🌅

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

HI, cherylmarie- Thank you for watching and for writing. You are so right that it is important to gain some distance from your paintings.These are fascinating issues for painting. Good luck with your painting. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@jeannecarstensen6710]

David, that painting is absolutely gorgeous. Throughly enjoyed watching and learning you paint this amazing moving clouds landscape. Thank you. ❤

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Thank you again, Jeanne! We are delighted you enjoyed it and loved hearing from you. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@sonsoftheedelweiss72]

You are a blessing sir.

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Thank you so much so your lovely comment, sonsoftheedelweiss! Thank you for watching! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@studiosoixante]

Such a great lesson from a very talented painter. Thank you so much.

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear studiosoixante - Thank you so much - we are really happy that you watched it and enjoyed it! We have loved creating these programs and it is very meaningful that you took the time to write to us! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@paintingsofwaves_mikewoning]

This guy is a genius: funny, well bespoken, knows his paintings and wow, does he know paint theory (as well as painting itself). This is a great mix between entertainment and learning. Actually did a painting this weekend based on his teachings. LOVE IT!

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear paintigofwavesakamike_6251 - That is a very long name! Thank you so much for your really kind comments! From Connie - David is just naturally funny and charming - so glad that comes through! And he is able to speak and explain his process while trying to paint - not an easy thing to do! We love creating these programs and it means so much to hear from you - so thank you! Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@paintingsofwaves_mikewoning]

@@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt I have no idea why youtube put that name all together... have tried to bring it back to my handle 'paintingsofwaves' but to no avail. Anyway, I recently did what David told us to do: LET THE PAINT TALK. So I did, and invented my own dunescape based off a visit and a reference. Turned out pretty nicely, if you ask me! Thanks!

[@thorlalangley1189]

Thank you, I'm learning so much from you, I can't wait to have a go at this.

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

HI, thorlalangley! We love hearing from you - thank you! We hope that you enjoy your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@stevedavison2807]

A great teacher and a great painter 👌

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Hi, steve davison - We are happy that you enjoyed it! Thank you very much for watching and for writing to us! It means so much to us to hear from you. All the best, Connie and David

[@gernblanston5018]

You know you napped in that chair once or twice. Yes? love your work. Thanks

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear gernblanston5018 - That is funny! I hope that you didn't think that I napped during the program - I really try not to! We love creating these programs and it means so much to hear from you - so thank you! Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@kiritsi100]

Another great demo and painting David! Love your comment about painting being fun to do. I'm a painter and composer/musician and I always need to remind myself why I create art. Because it's fun to do. Sure I make money at times but that's not the real reason to do it. The great musician Chick Corea made the same quote and they're words to live by. Look forward to your next creation!

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear kiritsi100 - Thank you for watching and for writing to us. We appreciate it! Good luck with your painting. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@curley6531]

fantastic!!! you inspire

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear curley6531 - Thank you so much for watching and for so your lovely comment! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@walterfahmy4907]

Excellent tutorial. THANK YOU.

[@hopatcongjoe]

I wish I saw you 10 years ago when I started playing with oil paint. Now I’m gona go back to my old abandoned canvases to give them new life.

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

HI, hopatconjoe - Thank you for watching our program and for writing to us. We are really happy that you enjoyed it! I harvest many old paintings and paint over them - it can add a wonderful dimension. Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@hopatcongjoe]

@@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt Thank you! I am really enjoying your videos and my wife signed me up for your Dec. Tuesday’s class! I will use Nov. for sketching, watercolors, looking back over old photos that I painted and go back and tweak the painting. I also have some colorful abstracts I need to figure out how to pull viewers in better.

[@Jeannine754]

You had me before the chair, but that cemented it! I’ve got the same one, including all the evidence of long use, in my studio. Joking aside, I’m subscribed and saved that video for another watch or three. Warmest thanks!

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear jfeilner112 - Please - more jokes! We love that! We love creating these programs and it means so much to hear from you - so thank you! Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@constance9789]

I look forward to seeing you next time. Thank you again for a very informative lecture and painting experience.

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Thank you, Constance! We are so happy that you watched the program and wrote to us! We appreciate hearing from you. Good luck with your painting. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@lordlollops1]

David you are a joy to watch and listen to, your painting and voice is inspiring, insightful and soothing - Many thanks

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Thank you lordlollops1! We appreciate your watching our program and your very kind comments! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@brendahicks4701]

Wonderful instruction once again thank you so much. Love the finished painting so much❤️🙏🏻

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Hi, Brenda - I am happy that you enjoyed it! Thank you and all the best, David and Connie

[@leonormartinez6378]

Loved your instruction and painting. Learned so much. Thank you! Subscribed and look forward to watching more of your videos.

[@bartcharlow9807]

Fabulous as always, David!

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Hello again, Bart! Thank you for such positive comments We are really happy that you watched the program and then wrote to us. It means so much to hear from you! Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@bartcharlow9807]

I've been trying to get one of our local art societies to bring you out to the SF Bay Area.@@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear@@bartcharlow9807 - Thank you for your wonderful support! I m always happy to speak about Workshops and talks. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@melodykennedy2651]

This takes my painting to a whole new level,,, at least in my head. I have learned so much especially in the preparation of a intended design. This is all so new and exciting and I will continue to watch and learn and I Thank you.

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Wonderful! Thank you so much - we are delighted you enjoyed it. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@virginiavredeveld7956]

I call this "painting in the third person". It's wonderful and so are you. Thanks so much.

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Thank you ,virginiavredeveld7956, for your wonderful comment! We love hearing from you and are happy that you watched our program! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@tomjohnson9976]

Bravo…..as always David.

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

HI, tomjohnson9976 -- We really appreciate that you took the time to watch our program and then to write to us - it is very meaningful! We are really happy that you enjoyed it! Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@dektold76]

Excellent lesson on the emotional psyche and our visual relation to the motor skills and the creation of the illusion. Thank You, David. Patrick

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear dektold76 - Thank you so much for your very kind comments - we are really happy that you enjoyed it! These are fascinating issues for life and painting. Thank you for watching and for writing to us - we appreciate it! Good luck with your painting. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@melanisticmandalorian]

This is really good.

[@jenniferr-m5899]

Thank you, David! Super lesson!!!❤

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear Jenniferr-m5899 - So happy you enjoyed it! Thank you for watching and for writing to us. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@stefanstern3542]

Absolutely thrilling lesson, Mr. Dunlop!

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear Stefanstern3542 - That is such a lovely comment and we appreciate it so much. We love to hear form you - thank you! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@pierrebouchard4289]

Painting because it's fun , and, therapeutic ... Thanks for posting ... See you in the next one ...

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear pierrebouchard4289 - Thank you for watching and for writing to us. We loved hearing from you. Good luck with your painting - and fun! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@judithgoulden972]

Well, that was such a valuable insight into the philosophy of painting. How beautiful, the strokes and the colours....mesmerizing. thank you for imparting so much of your knowledge.

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

HI, judithgoulden972 - Thank you so much - we are really happy that you enjoyed it! Thank you for watching and for writing to us - we appreciate it! Good luck with your painting. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@pamelaabbott3274]

Absolutely love your videos. Saw you for the first time on our local PBS station in southern Oregon.

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear pamelaabbott3274 - We are really happy that you enjoyed it! We really do love creating these programs - and our Emmy award winning PBS series Landscapes Through Time - and we love hearing from you! Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@elation0x]

So many interesting points, thanks!

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear Voltaire805 - We really appreciate that you took the time to watch our [program and then to write to us - it is very meaningful! We are really happy that you enjoyed it! Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@Alleynep]

What a great lesson. I learned a lot.

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Thank you, Alleynep - we are so happy that you enjoyed it. Thank you so much for letting us know - it means so much. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@taosfamily]

Thank you..🙏🎨

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Thank you too for watching and for writing! great to hear from you. kind regards, David and Connie

[@melanisticmandalorian]

You are really well read.

[@nickrodis6862]

Thank you

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear @nickrodis6862- Thank you so much for watching and for writing to us! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@sarahboyd3959]

Wow.

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear sarahboyd3959 - Thank you so much - we are really happy that you enjoyed it! Thank you for watching our program and for writing to us. Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@lcclark1307]

Ahhhh so beautiful! Thank you! Your painting is so inspiring & fun. Amazing good recall of so many the masters of paintng & psychology of seeing. Is there any way acrylics can stay open soo long to blend and give luster 1/2 as good as the oils?

[@melodykennedy2651]

I have watched this a number of times and learn something each time. I would appreciate more information on the laminated aluminium that you are painting on. I have never seen this used before and would like to try it but cannot find the product without more detail from you. Thank you.

[@BJones-yw4dd]

As I recall, these aluminum artist panels are marketed under the brand name Dibond -- and David was the first artist I ever saw to use them, so I had to look it up. ;.D

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Hi! Thank you so much; we are delighted you enjoyed it. Here is additional information from our Supply is on our website: www.daviddunlop.com. Kind regards, David and Connie Supports, Canvases and Other Surfaces. David paints and has painted on a variety of surfaces. a. He recently has been painting on enameled aluminum composite panels: white, silver and gold. They are made and marketed as Dibond, CompBond, and AlumaBond and the suppliers will vary depending on where you live. You can also check with local sign painting companies. You can call Laminators Inc. to request materials as well. (www.laminatorsinc.com/) b. David also paints on and has painted on quadruple primed Belgian linen (Artfix L84U), portrait canvas (linen) pads, and smooth canvas pads. c. David also paints on acrylic varnished watercolor paper - the smoother the surface the better. He varnishes the watercolor paper, clayboards, gesso boards and inexpensive canvas pads, stretched canvases or other panels with Golden’s Polymer Gloss Varnish. The watercolor paper he uses is a 140 lb. hot press and Bristol Plate paper.

[@RickMcgill-hu1po]

David, can you discuss what type of aluminum and how to prepare the surface?

[@renzo6490]

You are doing with paint what a musician does when he improvises. He knows the music, the notes, the way music works...so well, that he can trust his inner self to create. I'm not there yet.

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

HI, renzo6490 - Hello again! Thank you so much for your very kind comments - we are really happy that you enjoyed it! These are fascinating issues for life and painting. Thank you for watching and for writing to us - we appreciate it! Good luck with your painting. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@adelinalienrexhaj5014]

Just wonderful. Do you recomend the brushed alu, or with a white background? Just mezmerised of all - and where you gathered up all this information. Amazing! 🙏

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear adelinalienrexhaj5014 - I use many different surfaces, and I enjoy quadruple primed Belgian linen, gold leaf, the silver and gold brushed aluminum, copper, white baked on enamel aluminum composite - and many other surfaces - depending upon the paintings and what I am thinking about. Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@StephenMarkTurner]

Thanks as always. So much accomplished in an hour. Interesting how a lot of the original loose treeline was retained as the painting progressed. Was that Max in some of the episodes of 'Landscapes Through Time'?

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

HI, StephenMarkTurner - Thank you AGAIN for watching and for writing to us. We appreciate your comments. Yes, that was Max in some of the episodes - he is a wonderful talented painter! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@rajanikanteti1484]

What a great painting! You are an amazing artist! I just loved your style of painting.Learned a lot. I’m just a beginner oil painter. I would love to learn from you. I like to paint clouds. Do you teach on line? Thank you so much! Rajani

[@bryancoombesart]

Amazing demo David. Can you suggest a place to order these large 2,4,6 inch brushes?

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Thank you, bryancoombesart - much - we are really happy that you enjoyed it! I find these watercolor wash crushes at any art supply store and the chip brushes at a hardware store. Good luck with your painting! We would love it if you would subscribe - and if you have, sorry to have asked but we can't tell. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@dulcieogilvie5786]

Just love the information laced with humour!! Now…….where to find aluminium sheets in the U.K.????

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

HI, dulcieogilviw5786 - Thank you again for your comment. If you just google "Dibond" or Compbond" in UK, you will find many companies that sell it, and hopefully one near you. Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@pamelaharrison4843]

If you were painting on canvas would you go in with the oil straight away or would you need to use an oil/turps mix?

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear pamelaharrison4843 - Thank you for watching our program and for writing to us. I am using linseed oil, I do not use solvents for painting medium. I sometimes clean my brushes with Soysolv. Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@terrymellway8464]

I watched this video with great interest and I have a couple of questions. 1. Why do you paint on aluminum with no gesso does the paint tend to lift off over time and how long does this take to dry? 2. Do you ever use Liquin?

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

HI, terrymeeway8464 - Thank you for your question. I have found that the oil paint binds to the metal surface without the need for gesso or other layer in between the metal and the paint. In my experience it has not delaminated or lifted off over time. I place my paintings outside in the sun to help them dry, and it all depends up the thickness of the paint and how much oil I use. I only use linseed or walnut oil and I do not used other binders and thinners. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@weizergeezer]

How do you fix the aluminum to your easel? I expected it to come loose when the blue tape was removed.

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

HI, weizergeezer - I use tape that is rolled in a circle to affix the aluminum to the board. I then remove it later. Thank you very much for watching and for writing to us! It means so much to us to hear from you. Good luck with your painting. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@MaryDuprie]

You talk about the substrate, i'm confused, do you prime it? Raw?

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Hello, MarieDuprie - Thank you for watching our program and for writing! With this painting I simply painted directly on the the aluminum. I did not prime it or put any other barrier between the surface of the aluminum panel and the painting. I use the bare aluminum and also white enameled and gold and silver surfaces. Good luck with your painting! All the best, David and Connie

[@user-ie3ve9fd7u]

What type of oil are you using to dip your brushes in?

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

HI, user-ie3ve9fd7u - Thank you for watching our program and for writing to us. I am using linseed oil, I do not use solvents for painting medium. I sometimes clean my brushes with Soysolv. Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@rolisonpaint3]

How did you prepare your aluminum panel?

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear rolisonpaint3 - Thank you for watching and for writing. I paint directly on the aluminum panel without any additional preparation. Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@roslynwilton2443]

Does the oil paint not peal off the surface when it dries?

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear roslynwilton2443 - Thank you for watching and for writing. No, I have found that the oil paint does not peel off the surface when it dries. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@eveking6356]

What oil are you using here?

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

HI, eveking6356 - Thank you for writing and watching. I use a combination of many different brands, including Old Holland, Charvin Extra Fine, and Sennelier. Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@alienj3414]

Hello! To me looks like wool clothes pattern in some areas; as you were saying. Try with classical music. I think the brushes are too sharp. Try with the roll of paper under your jittering arm next time😁

[@lisengel2498]

Can anybody help with information about the alumenon surface? 🎵🍂🍁🎶

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear lisengel2498 - This is painted on a composite sheet aluminium, like Dibond, OmegaBond or Compbond, comprising two 0.3 mm thick aluminium cover layers and a polyethylene or mineral core. You can buy this at some art stores now, as well as local sign companies. Good luck with your painting! Thank you for writing. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@ronaldshepard1739]

What kind of aluminum panel?

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear @ronaldshepard1739 - Thank you for your question. This is painted on a composite sheet aluminium, like Dibond, comprising two 0.3 mm thick aluminium cover layers and a polyethylene or mineral core. Good luck with your painting! Thank you for writing. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@renzo6490]

I was able to count your moving fingers ! FIVE.... right ???

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear Renzo6490 - That is very funny - thank you for watching and for writing. We are really happy that you enjoyed it! (There are 6, I think.) Good luck with your painting! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@RJD1308]

Why are all the trees leaning downhill?

[@parsleypowersmith5692]

Explain about aluminium please

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Dear parsleypowersmith5692 - Thank you for your question. I paint on many different surfaces, from quadruple primed Belgian linen, paper, copper, single sheet aluminum, a composite sheet aluminium, like Dibond, comprising two 0.3 mm thick aluminium cover layers and a polyethylene or mineral core, and sometimes I paint over older paintings on all of these surfaces. It really depends upon my painting, and different surfaces give different effects. Some are harder surfaces and you can make different types of marks with your paint brushes, squeegees , paper towels, and other tools. I always experiment and learn from all of these paintings. Good luck with your painting! Thank you for writing. Kind regards, David and Connie

[@douglasacosta4989]

Erstaunlich, dass diese Technik & Malerei so gut ankommt...... Die Breit Pinsel & Wischer Technik wird ausgezeichnet beherrscht und dennoch geflt mir diese Malerei nicht. Dennoch Danke, sehr interessant...

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Thank you so much for watching the program and for writing to us. It is so fascinating that we all have such different responses to paintings. Kind regards, David and Connie From Google Translate - Vielen Dank, dass Sie sich die Sendung angesehen und uns geschrieben haben. Es ist so faszinierend, dass wir alle so unterschiedlich auf Gemälde reagieren. Herzliche Grüße, David und Connie

[@momehdaoui8946]

8 is lucky number not 9 .respect china

[@DavidDunlopSimmonsArt]

Thank you! Kind regards, David and Connie

[@clartonpaula6556]

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