PAISTE PST 7 Versus GIANT BEAT AND 505 ** CYMBAL COMPARISON

Comparison of a brand-new 20" Paiste PST 7 LIGHT RIDE with a classic 20" 505 CRASH as well both a reissue and an original 20" GIANT BEAT MULTI.

[@Mike-oz5pp]

Thanks Terry! Finally someone that can appreciate this alloy & knows that alot of the B8 cymbals out there (that ive found) sound as good if not better than some of the more expensive ones. Ive combed thru music stores & pawn shops & have found some beauties myself Bonz. Best part is when u take 1 to the owner & ask about it, they see its a B8 & quickly say "Give Me Fifty Bucks & Its Yours", cause to them theres no big profit in it & they just want it gone; OK then?! Here's the trick; "Look for Thin or Reg weight B8's, the Thinner the Better & Crispier it Will Sound", I have found some Awesome cymbals by using this method & its true, not All but alot of them are keepers & will sound decent, for a heck of alot cheaper too, & we all know how expensive drum products & accessories can cost nowadays. Btw, B8's & B12's are usually louder & can cut thru the music better, give em a Rip, I'll be checkin out your vid's Terry.

[@bonzoleum]

Tank you very much for the nice words and the info!

[@neophyte2688]

Hi Terry, your channel is overall great, and your videos always informative, yes you ramble a bit but those who bear with you on that will get always something informative and usefull out of your videos, I just bought a PST7 ride, basically basaed on your comments about the series remarking their similarities to the (for me at least) "holy grail of cymbals" the 2002's of course. Just wanted to thank you for all I've learnt from you man, rock on!

[@bonzoleum]

Thank you, Felipe! I appreciate your support!

[@john6666steele]

IMHO as a proud own of 80's era 505's now, the PST7's won't hold up their quality as long as the 505's have...A few people on the drum forums I've been reading equate the 404's and the 505's to the Alpha's and PST models in their pricing level and grade them accordingly. Terry has gotten me interested in obtaining 505's and I couldn't be happier. I like them SO much more than the Giant Beats and the 2002's of today. The newer ones don't have the cut and volume that these 80's cymbals STILL have 30 plus years later

[@DrumsbiblebikeGodspeed]

Nice demo on all the cymbals ,,I like them all ,,They all sound great !!!! And I am a guy who likes thin buttery cymbals !

[@CoppsMusic]

I love this guy.. I cannot watch this without laughing.. Very nice way to do cymbal comparison.

[@christopherkennedy873]

Years later and I'm getting some pst 7s...( hope they're still as awesome sounding as in all the vids from years ago) 🤘💥🥁

[@johncollins5552]

My alpha heavy ride 20 has a big crash sound and strong bell, good rock ride from mid 90,s.

[@bub72ck]

I think the original GB is closest to the 505. All great sounding cymbals.

[@SanchezThrash]

Great cymbals, I've like to have them all!

[@Yellowjacket307]

To be honest i like the 505 it has a nice echo at the end and but the giant beat has an amazing bell sound but thats just me

[@CatabductionsAnoym]

Weird, the Giant beat re-issue sounds more like my 20 inch Zildian I family crash/ride than the others. Isn't that original Giant Beat what Nick Mason once used?

[@DrGray_Drummer]

You've peaked my interest in the 505 series. Yeah, it sounds great (very close to the GB, or 2002) Only thing, is the price tag might is a little inflated imo. The reissue GB, and WL are dam close

[@bonzoleum]

Here's an 18" MEDIUM: www.musicgoround.com/product/40090-S000053491/used-paiste-505-18-in-med-crash-cymbals-18

[@bonzoleum]

I'll tell you: the 505 MEDIUM Hi Hat model is the sweetest sounding B8 alloy hat around. They sound like a perfect pair of original GB hats (a good sounding pair-there were quite a few original GB dud pairs in my opinion). www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Paiste/14in-505-HIHAT-PAIR-Cymbal.gc

[@bonzoleum]

You can still find them pretty cheap. The Medium hats above are priced regular market price IMO, but truly are marvelous sounding hats: buttery and warm. 505s are essentially original Giant Beats with the 505 lathing. And 505 lathing is almost identical to the 2002 lathing, but with the secondary lathing that is evenly spaced versus the random pattern of the 2002s. The 505 HEAVY hats-while nice-don't have the magic of the MEDIUM however.. I put a link to an 18" MEDIUM too. I wouldn't go heavier than that. The 505 HEAVY CRASHES were quite heavy!

[@jimflys2]

The only Krut I have ever liked!

[@bonzoleum]

Me too!

[@jameswyatt6076]

Love the Pst7's, but that light ride bell is kinda whimpy.

[@drhappyyy]

Terry forgot to post the weights for these. Oh wait, I think we can get the weights on Paiste-wiki!

[@bonzoleum]

PST 7 Light Ride 2036g, 505 CRASH 1877g, and GB Multi 1830g.

[@jonneville5295]

I like this guy- he's funny!!!

[@MeTuLHeD]

Giant Beat (reissue) all day long for me. Just simply smoother sounding. The PST Series has a high pitched after ring which gives it a really brassy kind of ding-ey sound. Not a big fan of that ringing.

[@jonathanbormann5077]

I didn't hear it until I put my headphones on. We'll see what happens cause I just ordered one 2 days ago...the PST 7 after ring I mean.

[@triumphadelic]

That Krut sounded good! Original Giant is sweet , 505 not bad and PST7 tone and attack gave me feeling of Hammer horror Christopher Lee Dracula movies when Dracula makes his move... :[

[@bonzoleum]

Doh!!!

[@fatchoppers01]

I thought the vintage giant beat was gonna fly off your finger

[@jeremytooktashina2500]

I have a set of Krut light jazz hi hats, and a 14" crash...as if there is any difference between the crash and the hats. Been looking for a 20" Krut light ride or thin crash. Love your videos! Just lost why this one was so short? LOL Cheers from Canada :)

[@bonzoleum]

Jeremy Tooktashina Hi Jeremy! Thanks for the comments. Have you ever heard Beverly cymbals? They're similar to Kruts..

[@jeremytooktashina2500]

Nope I haven't but I'll check them out. They're nickel silver like the old KRUTs?

[@bonzoleum]

yes-the ones I've heard sound nice.

[@jeremytooktashina2500]

bonzoleum I could not find anything on youtube for Beverly cymbals. I would prefer a KRUT to go along with the other cymbals that I have.

[@raulmedina4405]

what do you opine about 505 20" heavy crash

[@frankenboston]

Yay !

[@enricos7327]

Hi ! Thanks for sharing your knowledge !!! Here is my question: I'm going to buy 20" pst7 light ride to use it as a crash and a 18" pst 7 crash . But I can't decide between the heavy and the medium crash. Basically I want a 18" light ride , so which one would you consider to be closer to that sound ?

[@bonzoleum]

I recommend both the the 20" LIGHT RIDE and the 18" THIN CRASH. I have both and they're terrific!

[@Mike-oz5pp]

If your buying a Light Ride, Id go with the Medium Crash for a more even sound & not the heavy my friend, a Heavy Crash may be a bit too dark since ur getting a Light Ride, just saying, good luck

[@Mike-oz5pp]

@@bonzoleum Hey Terry, just pointin this out. That guy was askin about a specific size crash cause hes getting an 18in Light Ride Not a 20in haha.Would a med crash be a better fit with a 18" light ride? Love ur vid's

[@cscamby0410]

Would you recommend the PST7 Ride and hi hats vs the 2002's? I'm honestly having trouble discerning the 2002's from the PST7's...especially with the full band...but I need a ride with a cutting bell and body (maybe PST7 Heavy or 2002 Power?) and I'm just looking for more versatile hats than my 13" Signature Heavy hats

[@aleksandarcurguz2428]

cscamby0410 i don't know if you have decided yet lol but the pst 7 is great series... I have a 16inch medium crash and a 18 inch heavy... they are great.. But for my music I will probably replace the 16 with either a 20inch giant beat or a pst7 light ride... Just make sure ( with any cymbals) that you use good stands.. Or they will sound like crap

[@brendan_allard]

How can you tell what decade a cymbal is from? (Like if it started with 7, 1977 or 1987)

[@bonzoleum]

Yes for Paiste. That does change once year 2000 comes around.

[@bonhamcymbal]

Would a modern 20" 2002 crash be the equilivent of the old 20 crash medium? Thank terry

[@bonzoleum]

Richard Mendell I'm not sure if that still holds. Paiste may have thinned them out over the past few years. On the Paiste Wiki people post weights of their cymbals. You can compare them there. I'd say it still probably holds that a modern 2002 20" CRASH is the same weight as a 1974 (for example)20" 2002 MEDIUM.

[@bonhamcymbal]

Ahh thanks man

[@bonzoleum]

I remembered I have a couple cymbals I can use as a comparision: I have a 22" 1971 2002 MEDIUM that is 75 grams lighter than a recent (3 year old) 22" 2002 22" CRASH model. The 1971 MEDIUM is 2405 grams, and the late-model 22" 2002 CRASH is 2480 grams.

[@antiago1983]

How do you see a PST7 light ride as a crash, pairing a 2002 24 Reverend? It sounds great, I'm keeping an eye on it.

[@bonzoleum]

I think it would be a great pairing. A Reverend is actually a thin cymbal compared to the 24" 2002 RIDE.

[@antiago1983]

Yes, it's light. For this is a marvelous big crash! And always for this I use only one crash. Thanks, I'll take a PST7 light ride soon.

[@kosycat1]

ahh niceee! on the giant beat =]

[@bonzoleum]

The Giant Beats are like butter!

[@kosycat1]

I gotta try one out,i have a Paiste 20 in 2002 i got from a buddy of mine. His dad played in a band in the mid 70's,so im pretty sure its vintage, its awesome,just cleaned it the other day and it looks brand new. I wanna figure out what year its from exactly

[@bonhamcymbal]

what about let go?

[@maxwellgordon9868]

Hey Terry I'm looking for a high end 20" ride, would you recommend the reissue giant beat?

[@bonzoleum]

It's on the thin side. I think 1820 grams is the averageish weight on them. Hoping they eventually offer both a 1910ish and 2000 gramish one. Try the 602 MEDIUM RIDE; it is an outstanding specimen.. The now offer MEDIUM and HEAVY models now as well.

[@maxwellgordon9868]

@@bonzoleum Hey Terry I took up your advice & I got lucky on eBay. Bought a pre serial paiste 602 medium ride! Absolutely stunning cymbal pretty certain it's a late 60s.

[@BHAKTIBROPHY]

I like the 505 and the Giant, based on this demo, and your style of drumming. Terry--is that a Ludwig piccolo snare? I told you I gave away my drum set five years after I became disabled. What do you think is the most decent snare for around $200? (The Ludwig piccolos are so expensive.) Are the Pearls any good? I'm just using it to get the strength back in my hands by doing rudiments, more that I can (for the most part) hold the stick again in my left hand. It's the best occupational therapy I've had in years for my hand! :)

[@bonzoleum]

Yes- it's a wood piccolo from a student set.

[@BHAKTIBROPHY]

It sounds beautiful!

[@IRLguy777]

Why even bother reissuing if they don't sound anything like the original Giant Beats. The reissue is much darker.

[@bonhamcymbal]

anything on ebay?

[@bonzoleum]

The fees on Ebay are astronomical. I'm figuring out a different selling method..

[@bonhamcymbal]

How about the 18 505 crash?? Any good?

[@bonzoleum]

Richard Mendell Yes-the finest. Get one if you can.

[@bonhamcymbal]

I ordered a medium 18

[@ThatCheapDrummer]

Hmmm....I was led to believe that the PST 7's have the 2002 alloy, but are less hammered...

[@bonzoleum]

That's right. They are B8 alloy and have less hammering than the 2002s.

[@ThatCheapDrummer]

Ok thanks for confirming that. Love the videos you're making!

[@ledzeppelinfan12344]

no bass 26 bass drum :(

[@stephenclarke1424]

Omg jus play dude, you talk waaaay to much