Pako haldan deck update for the 2020 cEDH metagame

[@CliffFTWidk]

Coral commando. My favorite cedh staple

[@rojo101290]

I love this kind of deck tech videos explaining how a deck works, how it wins and some more details that are not normally seen in a gameplay.

[@cedhtv]

Happy to hear. I like doing them. any commander you wish to see btw?

[@rojo101290]

@@cedhtv Well there is a lot of gameplay for the most powerful ones ,I was interested the most in madfarm but i saw you did a very similar decktech recently ,i didnt know how to win if something happened to my leonin . So I would like deck tech on things than can push for a competive deck, like Pako, I also like Kroxa discard, Xyris, diferent stax comanders. Is harder to find cEDH content on that, as most of the channels run very casual builds.

[@byoutifulmonster]

Thanks for the suggestions, im loving my pako deck.^^

[@cedhtv]

Thank you.

[@ElGatix123]

Do You think the divergent version of.pako is better than the modern life pako??? What are tour thoughts about ??

[@cedhtv]

Yes I think soo. 1 card 4 mana instant spoeed win. That is good. You only need 1 tutor and you got it.

[@ElGatix123]

@@cedhtv is The lack of creatures a problem? Or it's just meta dependant?

[@Angel-kk5bb]

Have you done the first sliver deck tech?

[@cedhtv]

I don't think I have done a deck tech on the first sliver actually. You want one?

[@Angel-kk5bb]

Yes please I have a cedh first sliver but It not preforming the way I want it to and was looking around for some help on it so if you would id be grateful

[@Angel-kk5bb]

I can make the deck list if it would help

[@JerryKain-cp2jy]

What happens if pako exiles your thassa or leveler

[@cedhtv]

You cry! I actually have a game where that happend. But later I exiled a jace (the plainswalker labman jace) and then I used my leveler to win. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nX7XdqKsfZl_hZY Here is a link to that game. Really cool!

[@nonlinear3084]

And what's your opinion on Omen Machine, as a failsafe card?

[@monowhite7989]

You cut Farseek but Left Rampant Growth? Why?

[@cedhtv]

I also cut rampant growth.

[@jellenaujoks6966]

What would happen if your opponent forces you to draw a card between the Leveler and Thassa trigger when Divergent resolves? Would your win-con turn into the reason you lost?

[@mdlbelc]

hey mons, what do you think about jeska's Will in the deck?

[@ecerverof]

Your gameplay videos are fantastic and your deck videos are beyond amazing. Keep up the great work!

[@cedhtv]

Thank you. Doing my best to bring the best. But making videos is really fun.

[@troua2001]

I ran into this scenario where pako exiled leveler. Is there a way to get exiled creatures back?

[@cedhtv]

Yes but I don't play them. You go for the underworld breach combi instead and beatdown with pako.

[@aaronhill5915]

Burgeoning puts the land into play from your hand, but Haldan allows you to play them from exile. Because you don't "play" the land, it's a trigger from Burgeoning, I don't think this works?

[@cedhtv]

Correct that is also what I said in the video. Because of this in the mate late game you can use haldans ability to play lands from exile and then keep the land in your hand for Burgeoning.

[@RebellSon]

How about not playing Pako Haldan? c:

[@cedhtv]

Well I thought you needed more Pako in your life :?

[@Funder1Nk]

Mons. I have replaced Pyroclasm with cinderclasm. What do you think about cinderclasm?

[@cedhtv]

Not a big fan. 3 mana to deal 2 damage. It is instantspeed and that is good. But the main reason why I still have these 2 bordwhipes in my deck is becuase of cycling. Otherwhise I don't think I would play them.

[@argonnas2]

Kozileks return is a better option

[@cedhtv]

pretty much and I don't know if I would play that one either.

[@mdlbelc]

here, back in the room, i have 2 questions: -why you dont use scroll rack, Sensei's divining top or sylvan library to prevent exile onr of your combo pieces and to search the combo fast. -in the case of agravated assault, i use bear umbra to infinite attack and pako protection, opinion? thanks, mons, i follow this deck from the budget version and i said, its very fun

[@cedhtv]

1: I don't like those cards. Personaly. I think I have sylvan library in the deck tho that card I like. But you go minus a card with the other two. And I don't think they value beck what I lose casting and using them. 2: Nothing wrong with that. In a slower meta that is fine. but right now I am even thorn about the sword of feast. But I can see some good stuff with the bear umbra. Glad you like the deck. I think this is going to get stronger over time even.

[@mrTjstephens1]

Braden from the cEDH cast has found that Paco at times wins games people are not prepared for a big puppy attacking them!

[@cedhtv]

well if game goes long it get really big. Never really happens to me. Either some one combos off or I combo off before I get to that.

[@koreyg8552]

@@cedhtv agreed, most people will remove him ASAP, especially with creature removal becoming more prominent with agent and hullbreacher being a thing

[@adamesparza6748]

YESSSSS THANK YOU FOR THIS VIDEO! I’m excited to see this one

[@cedhtv]

Your welcome. I have some plans on doing this for other decks to eventually but this is really close to my heart.

[@adamesparza6748]

@@cedhtv I have to say my one my first few commander decks was Pako and Haldan, and I really wanted to get into cedh. So I wanted to make Pako and Haldan competitive and then I found your channel. Amazing content and I definitely plan to work my way into a cedh Pako and Haldan

[@cZmEphiT]

What if you exile one of your combo creatures with Pako? 🤔

[@cedhtv]

Then beatdown baby. Yea that is sad and it has happend. The game it happend I actually stole an opponents lab jace and hardcasted leveler and WON! So ...

[@bipidyboo1274]

Hey Mons, what's your take on Thrassios/Rograkh PolyTyrant? :)

[@cedhtv]

it looks exciting. I am not so sold on it yet. But it should be able to do something cool.

[@nonlinear3084]

How do you play against counterspell decks? It's looking like the new meta for my play group

[@cedhtv]

Are they really grindy? Are they trying to controll the game with counterspells and card draw? In that case you need to tweek and change this deck a bit and make it better vs grindy decks. But it is possible. This version is more tweked VS fast combo decks.

[@drackoex]

If only the typing allowed partnering with other cards. While haldan is the engine, a super troll sakashima would be brilliant I feel the meta needs more stax to be honest so tempo decks will see love again I have been aggressively using extract and thought scour as removal to deal with players tutors and sole win con. Sometimes it even forces a scoop! Its always funny to see someone's face when they vamp tutor etc a card on top and you scour it away

[@davidiswhat]

Why Mass Polymorph but not Synthetic Destiny?

[@cedhtv]

Because I had forgotten about that card actually. Thank you. I looked at it a long time ago and said ... casual and forgot about it I guess. Polystrats wasen't that big back then.

[@runeserpent1449]

hm, i wonder how coral commander will fit into the 2020 metagame. attacking an opponent for 3 damage a turn is nice for triggering tymna and lowering their hp for their ad naus plan, but i wonder how justified a 3 mana 3/2 can be, the low creature count in decks should give it a bump.

[@batboibob4910]

Coral Commando?!

[@briantjokroadiguno4566]

Why did u cut farseek and left rampath growth there? ._.

[@cedhtv]

Humm I missed it. I thought I removed it actually. Fixed.

[@jbs6614]

My casual doggie hehe. I’m slowly building it into a cedh deck.

[@cedhtv]

I think it is a good starting deck. It preforms really well at a budget actually.

[@fgaillard32]

Bear Umbra and Aqueous Form are my suggestions for you.

[@ygaudreault]

Especialy bear umbra, cheaper the sword of feast an famine for the main effect of untaping and provides protection.

[@colezampell1010]

I think super doggo is such a refreshing and cool deck. Only a mad scientist like Mons could brew such a silly yet strong deck!

[@cedhtv]

hehe thank you cole.

[@Damian-pv9to]

Do you think ad nauseam needs a ban? , I mean, the 90% of the cedh metagame is turbo adnaus .-.

[@cedhtv]

No. I think it is fine. I think it will diversify eventually. people wanna play something different.

[@MasterDecoy1W]

It depends on whether the meta can adapt. If Sphere of Resistance/Arcane Laboratory effects become prevalent enough, or decks become efficient at spreading damage, it may fall out of favor.

[@tomriddle6261]

Wait so haldan and burgeoning work together?!!!!!

[@cedhtv]

No not like that. Normally burgening stop working as you don't have lands in hand because of land drops right. However with pako you exile lands that you play with haldan. So now you don't use your landrops for the lands you have in hand. This is where burgening helps out even in the later game state.

[@tomriddle6261]

Thank you so much for the explanation, love your channel btw

[@argonnas2]

How bout trying that morph land? Gives you another creature to poly

[@cedhtv]

I have thought about it actually. Not convinced yet. The cool think about dwarven mine is that you can fetch it.

[@diegonavarrete4208]

I love your deck

[@cedhtv]

Thank you Diego.

[@tristownsproductions7472]

Man I finally did the brain freeze combo in my deck but I forgot to stax a elixir of immortality before I passed turn so I ended up losing. So sad 😢.

[@cedhtv]

Tris ... you finally did it. and you did it wrong :P hahaha. I remeber how much we talked about it. You: It is going to be great Me: It is going to be great. You: It is going to be awsome. me. I can't w8 to see it. ... You: ops.

[@lovelandfrogman2136]

Mons, War Room is such a bad card it turns my stomach; I’m very surprised to see you include this in any deck

[@cedhtv]

What so bad about it? 4 mana to draw a card. I don't see a problem for decks like Urza, Godo and Yisan playing it. I think it is even auto included for those decks. And I never found that it hurts pako and haldans color fixing.

[@lovelandfrogman2136]

@@cedhtv I just think it’s way too slow, and at any point having to pay 4 mana and life on top of it to draw 1 card is a real feels bad moment at any point in the game

[@cedhtv]

@@lovelandfrogman2136 Having 4 mana untapped and take your turn and doing nothing with that mana feels even worse :P. If Urza is dead this is good land. Actually, even if Urza is alive he might use this land. He just replaces it with a normal island. It enters untapped so I don't see how much it will actually affect him in speed.

[@lovelandfrogman2136]

@@cedhtv great point of view, I’ll have to lean to your side of the fence now and have to agree with you on that! 🤙🏻

[@soulcedh804]

Dog? But no hullbreacher :(

[@cedhtv]

Can't have creatures in the deck. We can only play leveler and thassa for this deck to work.

[@soulcedh804]

@@cedhtv true

[@MasterDecoy1W]

Mons: I've added aggravated assault Me: I'll go into the comments to recommend SoFaF, which often is forgotten in cEDH Mons: I'll retain priority, and add SoFaF to the list Me: my suggestion fizzles...

[@cedhtv]

hahahahaha.

[@KamLuWon]

burgeoning put lands from hand, not from exile

[@cedhtv]

Correct but haldan can play from exile.

[@filipicavalcante]

Exploration works better with haldan

[@MasterDecoy1W]

He's saying you use Haldan to provide your normal land drop, holding the lands you draw in hand to put down with burgeoning.