ok i need to point something out. tortured existence and some cards allow you to actually combo off. is it a good combo? no i don't think so. at least not good enough for cedh. but it is there and it would be hilarious if you pull it off. you need a token doubler, ashnods and that pirate that leaves back a treasure when it dies.
@_z3i4 минут бұрын
Looks super sweet, probably also going to take a look at brewing it
@steveng6721Сағат бұрын
I havent played magic in years but this commander really might bring me back
@baz_wtfСағат бұрын
Definitely a commander that I'm looking at to build.
@ThisNameIsBannedСағат бұрын
Big creatures feel a bit unnecessary, all the good value creatures that are small turn into a 4/4 zombie, thats really nice for Pollywog Prodigy, Esper Sentinel and even the looters like Kitsa , you can just produce a bunch of 4/4 and win that way, which allows you to play a lot more stax creatures, which you can all turn into 4/4 zombies. So simply a package of good Esper creatures quite smoothly becomes great with this, could just slot into Raffine, or be the commander. Even in Tymna / Thrasios this guy might be really nice, as its so good with Survival of the Fittest (maybe even Greater Good, but thats a bit slow). Turning all your Seedborn Muse / Kinnan and friends into instant speed zombies is pretty nice. Seems like a REALLY amazing card to brew with, as it fits so nicely in many shells and has so much build around potential.
@ratdoto2148Сағат бұрын
Run zero big creatures and run Lurrus.
@ThisNameIsBannedСағат бұрын
@@ratdoto2148 Yea seems like a pretty nice plan to go "Esper Weenies" and simply out-value-stax the table.
@ratdoto2148Сағат бұрын
@@ThisNameIsBanned It's also a far more resilient strategy. Doesn't fold to graveyard hate.
@BuleGamer962 сағат бұрын
I saw it and I really like it. Look pretty nice either casual or cedh
@cedhtvСағат бұрын
I think it is good in both.
@MasterDecoy1W2 сағат бұрын
Sefris is cEDH now. Trust.
@nsaneg00n74Сағат бұрын
List? She’s my favorite
@Umbrinn662 сағат бұрын
FIRST 🎉
@Crack_A_Pack22 сағат бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/mqvZp5uniK14bcksi=UMc9s96cukLptWeV I upgraded slivers to Cedh
@alexthefloorwarmingwarrior5032 күн бұрын
No my main wincon for this deck is ofc a fire brand archer or othasr inst or sorc pinger. Then I play a spell hardly used called return to the past (gives all inst/sorc in the grave flash back) then I go into my mana geyser sithe song combo giving me usually atleast 30 to 40 red mana all while pinging my group of 5 for 1 drawing 4 cards per thing till I can go into a full burn phase. Ether killing them with the burn or my laboratory maniac combo cause I drew my entire deck
@BuleGamer964 күн бұрын
Love that deck techs like this one are back ♥️
@cedhtv2 күн бұрын
Then I will make some more!
@BuleGamer962 күн бұрын
@cedhtv I love to go back in time, check your all videos, even when powercreep and meta change, I always can check them for new or old ideas.
@sonofthg4 күн бұрын
I run a 60-card, 5-color Odin deck (& let's be real, this card is obviously inspired by Odin's Wild Hunt) and this is one of my primary win con cards in it. I mostly use sneak attack to get it into play, but also have Prismatic Bridge, Defense of the Heart and some ways to bring things back from the graveyard (which I would only do when I have a way to give this freaking thing HASTE OFC!!!!! WHY NO HASTE?!) Edit: I also can reliably foretell this into play for WWW on the low end, to (3)WWW on the higher end
@gavinpollard3674 күн бұрын
Gotta build a Breya deck right. Cards like Ashnod the uncaring, Ruthless Deathfang, Displacer Kitten, Enduring Tenacity, Conjurer’s Closet, and Bloodthirsty Conquerer are all key in the 99 to build a great deck with her.
@eric-seanjakoph80455 күн бұрын
We need a post ban update
@andrewfornes53205 күн бұрын
I have him in my The Balrog, Durin's Bane deck which synergizes well with both abilities that Kellogg has. He makes treasure which is great for casting The Balrog initially & he can steal creatures which helps me & I can also sacrifice them to permanently remove them as well as gain benefits.
@alexjackflash5 күн бұрын
Anyone else here wondering in 2025 if there’s going to be an update video on this one? Cause over time so many things came in the game that he said would make it CEDH viable. Vexing bauble the goat lol
@zbronstein39016 күн бұрын
I’ve always thought Remora was pretty fair, considering its power. Looking forward to your video on Rhystic Study!
@andrewfornes53208 күн бұрын
I built her similar to how Gix, Yawgmoth Praetor was built (cheap & evasive creatures as well as some stuff like Opposition Agent & Voidwalker.) Anyways, I exiled an opponent's Roaming Throne so I cast it & named Rogue as the type. It is pretty much "Lights Out" if you get that to stick because at that point with 3 opponents to attack you are eseentially timewalking them each combat because you end up with 6 untapped treasure tokens & drawn 6 of their cards. Needless to say, I went home and made room for my Roaming Throne that was in a binder.
@DrEvo19838 күн бұрын
Uhhhh mystic remora, mid to late game with counter spell back up is op there buddy
@itzmimz82388 күн бұрын
Turning ramp into card draw, card selection and a board state at once is too busted in casual
@explorer41618 күн бұрын
This was shit lol
@alexliang10408 күн бұрын
This makes me think about watching Pontus throwing away hands that lean all in on Fish
@cedhtv8 күн бұрын
And his winrate is quite good.
@juggernautstark18 күн бұрын
This is no question that esper sentinel is better than Remora. Rhystic study has been the best card in the format for a long time. This isn’t new Information.
@cedhtv8 күн бұрын
Yes we all know rhystic is the BOSS. But Before I looked at the data I thought remora was better then esper.
@juggernautstark18 күн бұрын
@@cedhtv sorry I didn’t finish my comment and it comes off very negative. It’s all love! Keep killing it!
@codykizer63599 күн бұрын
Ty this is another banger!
@emarmy009 күн бұрын
please do it post ban!! Thanks Mons!!
@cedhtv9 күн бұрын
I plan to. Currently the amount of data I have post ban is a bit small but it is growing.
@dannil98789 күн бұрын
Than not then
@cedhtv9 күн бұрын
Thanks. Fixed.
@rodrigocosta23659 күн бұрын
You need to pay for remora to keep it and easier to counter, while esper is both a creature and a artifact to tutor with Urza's saga or ranger captain of eos. Paying 3 mana sometimes to keep the fish while with esper you can hit people to draw cards with Tymna or reduce Ad naseaum value. Only my opinion.
@cedhtv9 күн бұрын
No I agree. I was thinking of saying that Esper and Tymna draws cards now and then. Like esper turn 1 into tymna turn 2 is good.
@rikudousennin12189 күн бұрын
You can't search for the esper sentinel with urza's saga Chapter 3 ability because it can only search for artifact with mana value 0 or 1 in its mana cost it doesn't count as colored mana symbol in its cost. And ad naus curve value doesn't change eather because both are 1 mana value cards.
@rodrigocosta23659 күн бұрын
@@rikudousennin1218 ty for the enlightened tutor
@satansamael6669 күн бұрын
So TLDR; Mystic should be considered like a soft Silence.
@cedhtv9 күн бұрын
YES! It really should. Someone wrote that casting silence in upkeep in respons to fish cummultiuve cost sounds like a good idea.
@9d7fish9 күн бұрын
I think the big difference hear is that esper not many people care about. It’s one spell you pay 1. For fish you need a land drop to continue, however I have a good amount of pods where players just stop playing the game until fish is gone which will never happen with esper. So hands down I think fish is better for those reasons most people won’t pay for remora as well to esper they can. I also like to think of it past turn one, if we look at this 4 turns in which one would you take a remora or esper and the answer is always remora. I also hardly see esper countered ever so that also shows the power level difference. I think you would have to see each match and determine if one won because of those specific draws to know truly know but I’m guessing remora.
@cedhtv9 күн бұрын
Isen't the fact that people stop playing the game a reason Fish is weaker. On the record I haven't seen that in the games I watched. People tend to cast spells and feed the fish while it is alive. But if it affects your pod to cast less spells then fish draws less and makes it weaker. But I will agree that lategame remora is better then esper.
@Auron39919 күн бұрын
@@cedhtv Depends on what your deck is trying to do. If you're playing the control game, a few free turns can be very important.
@egoish67629 күн бұрын
I'm in first few seconds of video, but i think people slam remora too early. It's better on the combo turn than the first turn.
@cedhtv9 күн бұрын
I agree. I think remora is better late game then eraly game ATM.
@AlexB-g3s9 күн бұрын
Seeing how high the win rate is for the one ring atm would you suggest playing it in Blue Farm without Minamo? Just curious based on your previous video on blue farm.
@9d7fish9 күн бұрын
I personally don’t play it anymore id rather have cephalopod or ortawara. It’s nice if you can get it but i hardly ever do so i prefer color fixing if not the other 2.
@cedhtv9 күн бұрын
Yes and no. Let me say this. I don't think tutoring for it turn 4 is a good idea. If you can play it turn 1 that it is awsome regardless. If your alredy mulliganing a lot, then I thin the one ring could be good. But I actully think it might be better to skip the one ring. The games when the one ring have been good from the gameplay videos, there has been synergy. There have been a few wins when people have unqinding clock and the one ring. Or seedborn muse and the one ring.
@TripsAhoy9 күн бұрын
❤❤❤
@stevenreidy1169 күн бұрын
Thought provoking work
@zweis9 күн бұрын
Stats like this are my favourite part of cEDH. I wonder though, how do stats in KZbin videos which are played for content differ from tournament games where players are competing for real prizes and are more willing to play less cards to play around Mystic/Esper change the win rates. I'd imagine Remora tends to be worse if you're playing fast decks like RogSi but mid-range and control likes like TnK or Tivit are happier sitting on Remora and just playing lands each turn.
@cedhtv9 күн бұрын
I would love to know that to but I can't really get tournament data like this. But I do have 2 tournament games in here actully, I watched a live stream from a tournament and added the stats in here.
@zweis9 күн бұрын
@cedhtv Yeah it's unfortunate tournament don't typically have video coverage. I appreciate the effort you put in though! It's a lot of work.
@guimartgon9 күн бұрын
Is there a statistic on how often the fish gets countered? Might be influencing the winrate difference if they're in the data from the moment they're cast regardless of it resolving or not
@cedhtv9 күн бұрын
Yes there is. Or kinda. I do write down how often people counterspell value plays. If a force of will is used I currently write down what it counterd, not what card but if it counterd a stax card, value card, combo card, tutor, bordwhipe etc. But I also have data on if the fish sat in play and drew a lot of cards or if it was just casted and drew no cards. So yes but not in a clean way that I can just answer here. But I do play to showcase the force of will part once I have looked into what the data is showing.
@guimartgon9 күн бұрын
@@cedhtv Awesome thanks for your hard work!
@yuanhaowu18309 күн бұрын
I think it would be helpful to separate the scenario where Esper Sentinel is tutored by Ranger-Captain of Eos from situations where it is not. The Ranger-Captain is a very strong card that significantly boosts the win rate. In this case, playing Esper Sentinel doesn't cost you a card from your hand; it's essentially a bonus provided by the Captain, and the winrate is actually Esper Sentinel + Ranger Captain vs Remora. On the other hand, Mystic Remora typically requires you to spend a card from your hand in most cases.
@cedhtv9 күн бұрын
I have that data. I do write down what cards ranger captain tutors for. I haven't looked at it yet but I do have it.
@rikudousennin12189 күн бұрын
Hello there. You have forgotten to say the biggest difference between esper sentinel and mystic remora in general that drawing a card from esper sentinel isn't optional and can ruin your win with thoracle consultation. Thats the reason i cut him off of a deck. It basically looses games. Also i like to have more blue cards in deck so i can pitch them to force of will. Anyway have a nice day. :)
@cedhtv9 күн бұрын
This is true. I have seen players in gameplay videos actully lose games to this.
@zweis9 күн бұрын
Hey! Heads up, you can sacrifice Esper Sentinel (Culling the Weak, Diabolic Tutor) in Brain Freeze lines to just not lose instead. Same thing as Kraum, it's literally impossible to lose to your own card unless you are intentionally trying to lose that way.
@rodrigocarrizo32137 күн бұрын
nah, not worth the cut imo.
@Radjammin9 күн бұрын
If I drop a Mystic Remora I am guaranteed to draw cards. Table just gives up. If I Try an early game Esper or Study, Table at least tries.
@rikudousennin12189 күн бұрын
@@Radjammin nothing is guaranteed. People just refuse to play noncreature spells until remora is gone. But its good to stax them like this.
@jaceg8109 күн бұрын
"there is no taxes on this thing" - cEDH TV, talking about Esper Sentinel and Rhystic study, taken out of context
@cedhtv9 күн бұрын
I meant cumultive upkeep tax that you the owner pays.
@jaceg8109 күн бұрын
@@cedhtv I know, but it does sound funny out of context
@okranad10 күн бұрын
cEDH has changed slightly in the last few years
@cedhtv10 күн бұрын
haha yeah. Well this video is old.
@colefortune572212 күн бұрын
Shield Mate
@eric-seanjakoph804513 күн бұрын
Can we get a post band update?
@GoldSabertooth14 күн бұрын
I have had a lot of success w this deck. I like it very much.
@ModAnonMTG14 күн бұрын
Hey I'm on TV! Very interesting research thanks for sharing!
@cedhtv14 күн бұрын
Your welcome. I think I have about 11 of your games in here. Keep up the the good work.
@hellNo11614 күн бұрын
Plagon feels like the remake of abdel Adrian candlekeep sage background commander deck. Abdel Adrian is still one of the best budget decks one can build if they want a powerful deck, but it requires an investment of 8 mana in total plus a flicker spell to do the thing. Plagon rewards you for playing some of the best creatures in azorius. It is a good card on its own and only. The floor is 3 mana for a card from the command zone. This sounds meh, but I have noticed that most cedh decks try to draw to their 10th to 15th card to find enough gas to win. So having a draw 1, 2 or even 3 brings you really close to the cars required to win.
@zweis14 күн бұрын
PRESTON TIME ✨✨
@SylveonSimp13 күн бұрын
Another settlement needs your help.
@schrottinator14 күн бұрын
There is something funny about a random castle wall being a familiar.
@cedhtv14 күн бұрын
YEAH old card!
@SylveonSimp14 күн бұрын
i dont see how having my decklist in my hand makes me win😬
@nCedric114 күн бұрын
With all due respect, that seems to be a skill issue
@SylveonSimp14 күн бұрын
@@nCedric1 But what do I do with my decklist? It' s just a piece of paper.
@nCedric114 күн бұрын
@SylveonSimp Thassa's Oracle is a piece of cardboard. There's tons of azorius blink etb sequences that win the game. I've won tons of casual games by accident, that's why my friends always focus me bc not even I know if I'm about to win. A highlighted memory of our group is me crying for about 15 mins with my Hama Pashar deck, only to literally combo in response to an Artherflux Reservoir activation + 2 counter spells on top. If your deck has a lot of activated and/or triggered abilities, winning is easy if you TRULY know your deck and you didn't just borrow your friend's Magda list hoping for people to forfeit after you declare you have 10 treasures without actually knowing the lines.
@SylveonSimp14 күн бұрын
@@nCedric1 In some tournaments I have to bring my decklist, but having it in my hand didn't do anything for me.
@TheMattmatic14 күн бұрын
@@SylveonSimp This conversation is a good example of what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
@TripsAhoy14 күн бұрын
I do love the spice in this deck! ❤❤❤
@LadleLoverDS14 күн бұрын
I’ve been hearing about this commander, looks like I’m gonna have to build it 🤌
@cedhtv14 күн бұрын
I can suprisingly draw a lot of cards. It dose lack more then 2 colors but card draw is still good.