Palace Papers 12: The Queen Loses Her Effervescent Queen Mother

[@lauramason5667]

A boyfriend of mine once said “Give a widow enough money and she’ll live forever.” That was true of his grandmother and of the Queen Mother. ❤

[@Jess_Connell]

Wow! Interesting to consider... my husband's great aunt was quite well off and lived to 94. I'll have to ponder this. Thanks for sharing!

[@avagrego3195]

And should you marry he will feel that of you

[@rebeccachambers419]

I see why the British public doesn’t want to pay for all of this lavish life style.

[@megansovik5629]

Very interesting to go through this history again. Well done Jess

[@Jess_Connell]

Glad you're also enjoying it!

[@dianemcgill9965]

Thanks Jess. This was fascinating today. I never thought about the Queen Mother being a widow and no job at such a young age. Amazing. Thanks Jess.

[@VeronicaAnderson-t2b]

Greetings from Atlanta 🎉 Thanks for another reading. People forget that the Queen Mum and Meghan celebrate the same birthday August 4th.

[@Jess_Connell]

I did not know that. Thank you!

[@LadyCat183]

don't pick on the Leo's😂😂

[@VeronicaAnderson-t2b]

@LadyCat183 No I say this because Leo personalities are charismatic and there are people that are truly drawn to them. A lot of our personable celebrities and entertainers are Leo. I have 4 in my family. Rest assured they will be fine and abundantly blessed. I just believe we should just let them live in their essence.

[@LadyCat183]

@@VeronicaAnderson-t2b and the Princess Royal isca Leo

[@azramandzuka7756]

Happy New Year Jess! Thank you for another great episode! Elizabeth, The Queen Mother was England's granny. Yet she was regal, dignified, and truly royal. She held to the traditions of her time, thus was reluctant to change. Additionally, she was strong yet sweet and really stuck it to Hitler during the war! He called her the most dangerous woman in Europe! 👍 I bet she just loved that! When the Queen Mother died I felt like it was the end of an era for England. BTW Jess, I love your lipstick - it's very flattering on you! See you at the next episode 😊

[@Jess_Connell]

Thank you!! 😊 I’ve never been a lipstick person. It is fun to play with it on this channel. Happy new year!

[@Jess_Connell]

And yes, definitely the end of an era- not just the empire but the level of dignity, respect for nation, and more… a lot was lost with that generation.

[@Kathleen-zn9oe]

I always thought The Queen Mother and Margaret were similar in that they were both quite selfish women. The Queen had her Father’s lovely reserved manner. The fluffy hat and smiley face hid her true self. Awful to Phillip and overstepped her position once she was no longer Queen. Poor Berty loved her so much but I don’t think she reciprocated his love. She was though a real bonus to Charles and was helpful during his young years

[@Jess_Connell]

It's always sad to hear about wives who didn't love their husbands. Strange to me. Heartbreaking for their poor husbands.

[@cliftafrizzell4687]

I believe the queen mother actually said she didn't feel in love with Bertie until after Elizabeth was born.

[@Taryngracia]

Great episode, Jess! Love this series. My dad passed this past year at 100 … WWII vet (as well as Cold War, Korean, and Viet Nam). Yes, the greatest generation! I watched your Hard75…and am going to try it. You look great!

[@Jess_Connell]

Thank you! Glad you’re also enjoying the book. And wow I’m so sorry for your loss.

[@Taryngracia]

@ thank you! You are right about losing our WWII vets/memories.., I interviewed my dad extensively! Good to retain this knowledge! 💕

[@carolynchapman7733]

Jess I’m in LA near Altadena Fires I have no internet im at a friends using their internet for the moment Can’t wait to catch up when life settles down

[@Jess_Connell]

@@carolynchapman7733 oh dear. Take care. You all are on our minds. Let us know how it shakes out for you.

[@elizabethannegrey6285]

Glamis castle pronounced Glahms. Elizabeth R Elizabeth Regina - the reigning monarch. Strictly speaking the Dowager Queen Elizabeth was not entitled to use the style. She was a force to be reckoned with, and definitely dwelt in the era of deference. Exceptionally fond of furs, hats and ruffles, the Queen Mother was also a great fan of horse racing. She must have been a formidable mother in law, and was known to disapprove of Philip.

[@Jess_Connell]

Fantastic. Yes I thought the R meant reigning, so it's surprising (and off-putting to me) that she would go on using it once her husband passed away. Strange even.

[@Cynthia-nm6tg]

She was never the reigning Monarch, her husband was The Monarch. Does this mean she should never have used the R ?

[@EllieD.Violet]

​​@@Jess_Connell 'regina' is simply the latin word for 'queen', just like 'rex' is the latin word for 'king' (if you'd like to doublecheck, just google it!) Ever read or watched Sophocles' 'Oedipus Rex' .... there you have the term in the title: 'King Oedipus'. 'Regina' as a latin term is pronounced 'Rae-ghee-naah'.... that's unfortunately the best I can come up with, so in advance apologies to all linguists!!! 😊 Anyone using the 'R' behind her or his name better be the actual queen or king, else she or his is an impostor. Best greetings from Bavaria 🇪🇺 (at times it's nice to find out that 5 years of Latin were not a complete waste of time, since Cesar's description of his wars and crusades literally bored me dead back then. In fairness, they also bored me dead in German or French 😂)

[@oonaghmarguerite6752]

When the Queen Mother died her account at Coutts was overdrafted by a reported £4 million +

[@Jess_Connell]

oh my word! The great woman could seriously spend money.

[@jillal-fuhaid1763]

I read some years ago, that when President Carter visited Buckingham Palace during an official visit he kissed the Queen Mother on the lips. She is reputed to have said later’ Thats the first time a man has kissed me on the mouth since the late King died’ I think she took it in her stride & smiled graciously. As a child in rural south west England we always kissed relations on the lips , wonder if President Carters family traditions were the same. The American South has a lot in common with south west of England.

[@Jess_Connell]

Oh how interesting! And now he’s gone too. Yes I’ve been surprised in recent years to learn more about the connections between certain Appalachian and southern regions, linguistically, with particular areas of rural England.

[@jillal-fuhaid1763]

Yes RIP President Carter a man who never wavered from his strong faith & followed in his Masters footsteps. I realized how close we are to the South after reading Dolly Partons autobiography. 😄

[@Jess_Connell]

@@jillal-fuhaid1763 Thomas Sowell has made many insightful connections for me with the language spoken by rural Appalachians, as well as post-emancipation black Americans who moved into poorer regions and were impacted by those same (perhaps southwest English?) speaking styles. I had never heard that before encountering his work.

[@Cynthia-nm6tg]

I read elsewhere that Carter denied the kiss.

[@oonaghmarguerite6752]

Prince William as the Prince of Wales has personal income from the Duchy of Cornwall.

[@Jess_Connell]

Yes that helps fill in that blank in my mind. Thank you!

[@LadyCat183]

It must be said that opinions vary on the Queen Mum. She was not all sugar and spice, however if she had her eye on an equerry then I doubt she also had her eye on Edward. According to letters stored at Glamis Castle, they were good friends until the Abdication. Also, the Londoners adored her, she stayed in London with her husband and could easily have moved to Windsor if she had chosen to do so. Only the King was expected to remain during the blitz. Yes, my grandparents lived through those days (although not in London). So,I speak as one who heard this from people alive at the time.

[@patricesimmons968]

Actually Andrew has a 75 yr lease. He has recently come into a large amount of money that he has used a portion of to do renovations on Royal Lodge. He has a penchant for undesirable friends, and most recently has benefited monetarily from a Chinese spy. What will he do next?

[@Jess_Connell]

Thanks for that correction on the length of the lease. Crazy. He’s just getting started. Yes I have heard this about his windfall from rotten friends. I imagine there will be more… 75 years is a long time. Personally, I am wondering if King Charles is taking on this battle, because William doesn’t want to have to, and I believe they all know that King Charles this time is shorter than any of us desire for him. I don’t know if I’m off on that, but that’s been my thinking as I’ve observed the situation, that it seems like Prince Charles is taking on the battle rather aggressively, and maybe he’s just getting the battle dealt with so William won’t have to deal with it once he’s king? Thoughts?

[@lynntrevino7276]

American Texas Girl here, been following the royals since I was about 10 or so, maybe even younger, but I will admit it I am not correct. Queen Camilla does use "Regina" when signing her name. When QEII died and they were signing papers the next day it was noted and in corresponds she has signed Camilla R as her husband is the reigning sovereign. Thus making her THE queen. When QEII father died, her mother was no longer THE queen and therefor should not have signed it as with R, especially having the same first name as daughter. Simply signed it as Queen Elizabeth. I loved the first 2 season of The Crown as I found it historically more accurate (more accurate not saying it was the cold hard truth/fact -- there were some things that I know for a fact that never happened) but i found the opening of scene very funny but very useful. At one point in history, there were 3 living Queens of the British Monarchy kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zne2eIOGd5hshpI. The Crown show could go on if it looked to the past. The History of the Royal Family intersecting with the world history would make for interesting tv without have to create storylines -- the storylines already exist. Ask an Historian. I also think would help spark interest into some into learning more about history and why certain things are done, why certain countries have resentments towards each other, why protocols exist, ect..... sorry that turned into a tangent.

[@Broadwayshowgirl]

Andrew's lease on Royal Lodge is actually 75 years. However, he has to maintain the upkeep, and it seems like he's not doing that very well

[@Jess_Connell]

Thank you for that correction. Wow. 🤯 I thought just 50 but he’s just getting started… 😬

[@elizabethannegrey6285]

23.45 Anne Morrow. Lindbergh’s wife?

[@Jess_Connell]

Anne Morrow Lindbergh, yes! Wow, I didn't make that connection.

[@MsBackstager]

Royally read.

[@ryvirkelley5047]

The queen mom was all sweet and sugary on the inside but hard as steel on the inside and usually got her way. 👑😂

[@ryvirkelley5047]

Lady C said Royal lodge had always been for the 2nd son until QM so he rightly has it and everyone should leave him alone (paraphrasing) 🤷‍♀️

[@Jess_Connell]

Very interesting; I hadn’t heard that before. So then would it go to… 😳 Harry??!

[@ryvirkelley5047]

@@Jess_Connell 🫢😬 I suppose... I can't even type that out! 🤢🫣Lady C knows her stuff though 😎💯😂

[@jv-ep2tc]

Merely gossip

[@ryvirkelley5047]

@@jv-ep2tc What's merely gossip? I'm sure what Lady C says can be backed u up and proven.

[@HarrietCraig323]

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[@hoboonwheels9289]

Wow entitled much to other peoples money!

[@ryvirkelley5047]

Lady C wrote a very thick, detailed book about the Queen mother with SO much history in it. I didn't get very far into it because of life. 😂 I trust Lady C to give the facts very fairly and with context. She actually knows them and is in the loop of what's really happening.

[@jv-ep2tc]

Lady C is a joke and important only in her own mind.

[@LadyCat183]

that book was pure gossip and speculation. There are much better books

[@ryvirkelley5047]

@LadyCat183 Why would I read a book by people who didn't even know her when I can read one from someone who knew everybody? Are you calling it that because it doesn't align with what you THINK it should be? (completely rhetorical) BTW, I'm not saying it's 💯 correct only I would trust her over others. You read what you want. I don't care.

[@jv-ep2tc]

you are misinformed about C's place in the loop. the title does not convey royal blood by the way [C is of Lebanese descent] and is the result of a brief marriage which was ended when the husband found out about C's sex change in 1970.

[@LadyCat183]

@@ryvirkelley5047 Believe me, Georgia does not know any of these people personally. The book I am refering to was written by William Shawcross who was given unlimited access to documents and to those who actually knew her. Your Jamacian wannabe would never be welcome in real royal circles.

[@oonaghmarguerite6752]

Prince Harry recieved roughly $10.5 million US on his recent 40th birthday this past September from the Queen Mother.

[@Jess_Connell]

Thank you for filling us in with these specifics!! 👍🏻🤩

[@cliftafrizzell4687]

You can bet Meggsie will spend that pretty quick.

[@oonaghmarguerite6752]

@Jess_Connell Happy to provide information when I have it, Jess. 😉👒

[@ozmaoz325]

The Queen Mother wasn't quite the national treasure as she was portrayed. I dont know of anyone who was particularly moved when she passed, she was known as a vulgar woman, overspending and a snob. The truth was that it was outwith her control where she lived during WW2, that was up to the PM, Parliament and the King. I know the East End of London was appalled at her visiting of the bomb sites, dressed vulgar like, in furs and diamonds. Not a particularly pleasant person.

[@MsBackstager]

Snow in Texas?

[@Jess_Connell]

Could be!! Possibly coming tomorrow!

[@Taryngracia]

@@Jess_Connellit used to snow when I lived in Ft Worth at age 8? Interesting ….

[@HarrietCraig323]

The constitutional arrangement seems to fall into 3 categories : -the republicans forever who hate the look and the inequality; -the monarchists forever; -those who don’t feel strongly either way but realize that the tourist dollars alone FAR exceed the cost of supporting the RF. This is being written 1-8-2025. Check back 1-8-2035 because I predict a big change. You heard it here first.

[@Jess_Connell]

What big change do you predict? And what do you think will be the impetus for that change?

[@jillal-fuhaid1763]

I disagree , the longer the younger ones I.e William. & Catherine are around & they & their children become part of the national fabric , the more the Brits will support them & appreciate their lives of service & encouragement, even more in hard times.

[@Jess_Connell]

@@jillal-fuhaid1763 It does seem that William and Catherine and their children stand a good chance of righting the ship. They seem very married to duty, and from what I can see, hold it in sober trust.

[@HarrietCraig323]

@ the government is letting thousands of dangerous criminals out of prison and locking regular people up for tweets. Crime in London is out of control-people running around with machetes. There’s no investigation of grooming (r*pe) gangs; no arrests for attacks on the police; no penalty for certain groups of people who seem to run the place with impunity. Immigration is out of control-this ultimately will be the turning point. Maybe not in 10 years, but exponentially arriving. The culture is changing-voluntarily. Once all of the traditional British values are gone, it won’t take long for the constitution-and the monarchy-to be sent to the bin. I think there’s a chance that it will even be physically overrun: the military has dwindled, and they’re more concerned about DEI and pronouns than in getting back to simply guarding the country. The best ways to avoid the inevitable is to stop the small boats, stop locking people up for speech (and build more prisons for actual criminals), and implement proportional representation. I could write a thesis on the NHS, the unions, and the working-from-home civil servants who get pay rises for nothing, but don’t get me started haha. This is a simplistic list off the top of my head, but London was once the greatest city in the world, and now it’s an unrecognizable hell hole that can never reclaim itself.

[@ryvirkelley5047]

You were right. It's the reigning queen who gets the R. Camilla is only a queen consort so she doesn't get the R and neither will Catherine.

[@Jess_Connell]

Thank you for that clarification. I see.

[@ryvirkelley5047]

@Jess_Connell 🙏🏻 I'm not too sure about why the QM had it. I get the feeling no one wanted to tell her no. 😂But Idk 🤷‍♀️

[@LadyCat183]

Nope, the wife of a reigning King can use the R. A simple google search will prove me right.

[@elizabethmadron1336]

The Queen Mum was a narcissist. She tried to tell Elizabeth R what to do. How to reign. Elizabeth came into her own after she died. Normal parents do not tell you how to do your job or run your marriage. The Queen Mum failed at this. I know this because I have several family members that are narcissists. The way the Queen Mum crossed boundaries reminded me of them. BTW,She was not the Monarch, her Daughter was. A narcissist mother does not trust her daughter to make her own decisions. Once she died, QEII was free of her interference.

[@ryvirkelley5047]

@elizabethmadron1336 Yeah, that checks out. I know it's said it was not good to cross her.