Paladin AOE Farming Build: A Complete Guide For Going Against The Stigma | Classic WoW

[@MaxRankFirestorm]

Speaking from experience, Holy Shield and Reckoning makes this build better than Conviction and Improved Ret Aura, also allows for you to get Standard Spell power gear for raid healing, and ignore the Defense stat after ~350 because you want to be crit to proc Redoubt and Reckoning. Remember, proc'ing Reckoning by getting crit is better than dealing a crit via Conviction because of Chance on Hit effects. While it would be nice to get improved Retribution Aura, it isn't as good as Holy Shield and the additional blocks from the block increase, enabling Sanc and Shield Spike to a higher extent. Furthermore, any time you are pulling more than 5 mobs, Holy Shield will proc guaranteed over the course of the encounter getting its full potential. This, in return causes you to block more gaining survivability and additional Sanc + Shield Spike damage (you have to block to get damage from them). At the end of the day, what would you rather have, Retribution aura do 10 additional damage every hit (going from 20 to 30 dmg)? Or Block more often and have blocks deal 135 (Holy Shield) + 35 (Sanc) + 25 (Thorium Spike) in return damage and take less damage overall. This seems like a no brainer.

[@BrokenSymetry]

Fully agree. Standard prot pala is plenty good at aoe grinding - there's no need to reinvent the wheel with the strange build suggested in this video.

[@onioncultistlordoftheonion8315]

Downranking is also a thing for keeping the insanely high block rank at the cost of Holy Shield's damage.

[@gabes.1882]

Who's here for HC lol

[@peeko_luxx2873]

Bro just lost my 32 prot pally because I tried to save a dwarf warrior that pulled too many worgen in duskwood.. 😂 He made it out alive though. That’s what it’s all about for a protection Palladin. Dying for someone else to survive. We go agane. 👍

[@MycketTuff]

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[@Mage653]

Perfect video bro, straight to the point, showing off all the gear, and giving ideas of where to grind. 10/10 would paladin again.

[@IShallCallHimTaders]

Thanks for having an inclusion of each item's location and drop rate. You earned an upvote.

[@davidd9707]

This is an amazing guide and exactly what I needed. I'm leveling my first paladin in classic and I'm excited to be able to aoe farm some day

[@clintgolub1751]

Played one years ago, but having an absolute blast taking my time 2 decades later just slowly immersing myself in the story and atmosphere ❤️

[@TylerGale]

I don't entirely agree with the build, but absolutely appreciate and understanding your reasoning (and I think you explained it really well). I think its a benefit that there are alternative perspectives and opinions on the talent builds, so thank you for sharing yours!

[@brunch1572]

1. Crest of Retribution is the best shield for this IMO, aside from Force Reactive Disk of course. 2. On official Classic WoW, the Deathbone set has its updated stats. Each piece has Stam, Def, and Mp5. 3. You can move around points a little and get 2 into Healing Light. This is more than enough for healing the easy mode dungeons and raids in Classic. 4. Some good instanced farming spots: DME Lashers (phase 2), BRD big circular room near entrance and Ring of Law (upper).

[@Sitania]

He didn't mention it, but dragon breath chilli scales 1:1 with spell power. So if you're in full T2, it does a crazy amount of damage

[@MycketTuff]

Consumables are for nerds

[@TehSiets]

Everyone and their mother still thinks paladins are super slow levelers and just autoattack. Meanwhile I just laugh to myself because I'm lucky enough to know about this build. Thanks for putting this all together in one spot. Fantastic comprehensive guide!

[@justinaska8306]

such a nice and informative guide, the best guide ive watched in ages actually. please make more videos

[@roythomason1921]

Too much gain on the music for your quiet voice.

[@scottstorck4676]

I was really interested in your talk, but it was to hard hearing it out over the music. I left after 8 minutes.

[@sheepicide6564]

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[@Just4KeigA]

If you are planning to farm in DM east which is super recommendable, dont get the Thermapluggs central core, since they are nature dmg immune, and this shield does nature dmg. Try to get the Crest of Retribution in Stratholme. Or finish the Quest from the Headpiece Drop of Balnazzar (Stratholme living) and get the Agent of Defender. Which gives you a higher Blockrate for full 10 seconds. its like an improved Redoubt. Only recommended if you have Blessing of Sanctuary ofc. Otherwise lovely guide ! Keep it up =)

[@OliverMichael7]

On tank pala always have a resto druid in your team for thorns, and go melee cleave setup with warrior rogue hunter/mage. Insane setuo with either and got cc in dungs or massive aoe. Max efficiency on bufs

[@RudigguerC]

I started playing recently and I have fallen in love with the Paladin and my goal is to do AOE Grinding Farming, I have a level 60 warlock, but I started to upload a Paladin to fulfill this mission, currently it is level 10, what talents should I place and in order to go up level only, up to those 2 talents of the shield and the AOE, can you help me?

[@prisonerofthehighway1059]

You can stack paladins for group farming as well. Improved Ret aura and Sanctity Aura stack with each other.

[@xerasferalos9784]

Yes it works amazing together

[@salamiman223]

does this work for anniversary classic? i know this vid is sorta old but i wanna swap to the aoe build so i can farm SM and further on but also continue questing/dungeons. just need to know if its still an optimal way to level before i commit.

[@HugoBolzer]

Very nice video - thank you very much, just one thing 20:05 Ironfoe - is a very nice weapon - but i think it is way too slow if you count on I rather would use "Blade of Necromancy" (1.5 attack speed) from the T0.5 boss Kormok in scholomance that should give you way more procs from "Seal of wisdom" and "Seal of Light"

[@pixelpatter01]

make the music louder please; we can still hear you.

[@HugoBolzer]

35:25 check out tailoring "cloack of fire" a easy farm and a very short cooldown (AoE dmg effect) - not "the best" item but for a good option for beginners

[@blech71]

Great work on this vid! Just found your channel; SUBBED! I love AOE builds. I have always built AOE centric pally tanks in retail but never in classic/vanilla. This gives me that itch! Definitely adding this to my end game farming arsenal for mats and chill money maker. Cheers!

[@1986radioful]

What kind of gear should I look for at lvl 41 when I can actually start aoe?

[@wilg.2594]

I had to re-watch this after I beat you on the roll for essence of pure flame. This is a fun way to farm and my holy/sanc raid heals build works OK enough so no respeccing needed.

[@connelly9191]

@Bhelockharyh Did you ever make an updated AOE gear guide for Phase 6 classic?

[@danielnator123456]

Kinda new way to play pala for me and loving it so far.

[@nickconstantinou4570]

Dude, can i tank dungeons with this spec? what changes can be made to make tanking viable as well as being able to AoE farm as effectively?

[@Hangover289]

Hey, nice Video! I have a questions. I saw in your video, that you are using a addon that you can manage your UI but still has this classic look. I am usind XPerl but i dont like this "new" style. What addon you have?

[@bhelockharyh2969]

IF you're talking about +/- the 40 mins mark I just right click the frames and unlock them, move them where I want and then lock them there. It's with the default UI so you don't even need an addon for that!

[@ilyavoronko8435]

Good guide! Ty for that! P.S. u forgot tell about Fiery Blaze enchant on weapon :)

[@roffe8751]

Hey man, I am sure u mentioned it in the video, but i cant find a timestamp for enchants. What do you think is better, lifestealing vs crusader? Just for survivability and life gain. I dont care about the other effects. I just want to be more sustainable.

[@dominiktamasovics207]

8:37 You can proc reckoning by sitting down.

[@Zaxstar007]

is there a levelibg order for this or is aoe farming not viable pre lv 40ish

[@bhelockharyh2969]

If you are leveling solo then I wouldn't recommend it at early levels, otherwise if you're with a buddy (lock or mage would be powerful) then start with Holy for the aoe damage/threat then work your way into Prot then Ret

[@letsplaybless1399]

You think T0.5 + Sageblade worth it? (On Fresh Crusade, BWL / AQ 40 is no Option yet) WIth 0.5 Should I be able to grind Timbermaw rep fine?

[@bhelockharyh2969]

It's not a bad place to start indeed, just don't forget that skullflame shield and demo forge breastplate are extremely good and easy to get (hopefully) early alongside an uther's str and/or force of will

[@letsplaybless1399]

@@bhelockharyh2969 Hey thanks. Is Skullflame that good? Because people complain about it to be a pure Meme as special past Classic (when BC hit) My Server has 0 Economy, so no BoEs. I am just curious what I should hunt for to be prepared for TBC and maybe Tanking MC/BWL/AQ/ZG. The Deathbone Set is prob. Faster to get, not sure if it is better than my T0.5 tho? Or should I mix both Sets up maybe? I got the Sageblade as well, I took it with me. But also a lot of other people complain about. I am kinda worried I dumped 2k Gold into nothing. (T0.5 Mats + Sageblade)

[@bhelockharyh2969]

@@letsplaybless1399 Skullflame isn't as good in BC in part because you can get a nice shield from questing that procs on block (and you'll have more block in BC) so yeah in this case probably not the best thing to go after and if BOEs are a prob then you can forget it. UBRS/BWL shield are nice too. SP items are very nice in TBC so your tier and sageblade isn't that bad to get started, but mageblade for example will be a rapid upgrade if you can roll on it; Quel Serar is also a decent one. AOE farming and tanking require different gear because raid bosses can crit/crush but not lvl 62 and below. So deathbone set is definitely something good to get for tanking. And the tier pieces can be good to swap in when you need more threat vs more mitigation. Your goal for TBC can be to get the AQ tier with a nice weapon (hopefully a fat SP wep) and the AQ shield, maybe the ZG ring set and block cloak, a styleen's (and more tank items from AQ if you can afford) and you'll be in business to level up in TBC. Obviously an End of Dreams, a Face of Death and Naxx gear is better but you will replace your gear eventually anyways therefore BWL/AQ are surely obtainable goals

[@letsplaybless1399]

@@bhelockharyh2969 Thanks for this quick headsup. I Will try my best, sadly there is legit no Raiding Guild on my Realm yet. Not sure if anyone gonna push to AQ40 within 8 (?) or so weeks. Also every Paladin on this Realm who just started seems to be an tank, might be an Issue. Lets hope it is not that bad when TBC Launches and its possible to find a Raidspot.

[@micha2009]

Itemization and Consumables - best guide i know for farming! . Maybe a Truesilver Breatsplate for that extra auto-healing. But don't gimp yourself with a talents build like that! Just go for a 20/31/0 jack-of-all trades build. So you can be a full effective healer in raids or dungeons (with healing gear), you can be a super effective dungeon tank - and still a pretty good tank in Raids (with tanking gear and blessing-of-kings-spam to maintain aggro). I like your guide! Well done. But that extra specialized talent build... you can't do anything else but farming with that! 17 points into the retribution tree, just for getting that enhanced retri-aura? Okay, it's a balls to the walls setup. But, i think, the downside for everydays flexible playing is too much. When realizing, that you get every farm spot capped - all mobs down, and you have to wait for respawn - it's even more weird. Just go for a good hybrid holy/prot setup! And have good fun in doing anything else, if you're tired of farming.

[@Absent_90]

This makes prot pally look soooo good lol. Can’t wait to get to 60 on DD to try it out

[@godwings101]

Scrolls do not stack with elixirs of the same stats....

[@scotty1436]

How early can we go this build? I'm 40 atm was thinking 41-42 might respec to this build so i can reach Blessing of Sanc, would it be good at questing? (aoe pulling mobs for quest) + dung spamming for xp?

[@bhelockharyh2969]

41-42 would be a good time to get into it as you get both Sanctuary and Consecration as you said. AS far as questing goes idk if it would be all that viable as I haven't tried it myself but for dungeon grinding it would be awesome as you would get into groups faster and you would have enough tools to tank properly.

[@scotty1436]

@@bhelockharyh2969 Alright i'll respec at 45 this way to Grind ZF/Mara and let you know how it goes in Questing aswel

[@TheGhostcc18]

Awesome! Great work! Thanks a lot!

[@molliegoodwin8170]

what level can you start faming dungs?

[@harry0able]

Hi, great guide with in-depth discussion on all aspects of Paladin AoE farming. Whilst this guide is a pure AoE build, I myself want to be able to heal raids and be able to AoE farm / tank dungeons. I have made a spec which I have posted below, and please tell me what you think. 20 in holy is standard, and gives you 90% of what you need to heal in raids as a paladin. It may not be cutting edge due to losing 5% crit chance, but will suffice for most paladin raiders. The prot side is more up for debate. My spec should be understood by the context that I intend to fill the improved conc aura position, and be the assigned Sanctuary/Salv buffer. I am also rolling human, and since I will only be dungeon tanking I only need 5% hit chance. Therefore I have only taken 2 points in precision, and put one point in Kings for flexibility should another paladin take the Sanctuary/Salv buffer spot. I have not taken improved devotion aura as I won't be using it in raids (I will be using conc aura as discussed), and will be using ret aura most of the time in dungeons. I believe Toughness is the better talent over improved devotion aura, as it equates to approximately 600 gained armour instead of the 175 armour from improved devotion aura. I have not taken anticipation, as again I don't feel I need to gain a very high defence rating for dungeon tanking. And finally I have chosen one-handed weapon specialisation over reckoning because I feel the TPS increase is more consistent. I consider this to be the most controversial choice, and I would happily hear counter arguments to make me reconsider. The link below is my intended spec: Legacy-WoW.com/vanilla-talents/paladin-talents/?tal=05503110500000052251330031051000000000000000

[@bhelockharyh2969]

Interesting build for sure! You did well to take Toughness over Imp Devotion Aura, unless you are in the tanks' party in raids, you lose some efficiency with the bonus as not all party members might fully benefit from the increased armor; so in most cases Toughness is better. Reckoning is also very niche, so unless you can somehow make it proc often or you're in PvP, it uses in PvE are very limited. Imp Concentration Aura is up to you, as long as you have Spiritual Focus and Conc Aura, you don't get any knockback while casting which puts you in a great situation to use Blessing of Sacrifice if needed. But it is good for other party members as it gives them a 50% chance not to lose knockback. My experience in raids is limited so idk exactly how crucial this is compared to putting 3 talent points somewhere else, but it is nice to have this extra utility along with Kings. Personally, I do not advise tanking with deep prot talents, as Holy Shield isn't all that great, it is a decent block chance with potential damage, and quite mana hungry. 1H weapons specialization is cool, but not mandatory to tank; you mainly want that for extra threat but if you have good communication with your party, mark your targets and have tanking consums/tools at your disposal, you should be fine without the 10% damage. An alternative to your build if you want (it is good as it is already) would be to spend your 21 points into the Protection tree as you already have the important talents to tank (Imp Righteous Fury, Blessing of Sanctuary, etc.) and put the 10 last points where you want (more into Toughness or to go deeper in the Holy tree) like in the build linked below. Divine Favor, Imp Blessing of Wisdom and Holy Power are fantastic for a healing spec so you would have the best of both worlds (or as much as possible at least). It is counter intuitive to not choose your last tanking ability but it isn't really worth it unless you already have experience and with it and the Protection tree. Last thing as it is a long answer (sorry!) you can also check out my video on the 3in1 build and modify it to fit your PvE needs, it might give you ideas on how to adapt it! Enjoy and feel free to contact me for further details/questions/etc! alternative build link: classicdb.ch/?talent#sVxuoxZVrkI0u 3in1 build: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2SuiZWZeM55bc0

[@harry0able]

@@bhelockharyh2969 thanks for the extensive reply! I checked out your 3 in 1 video. I suppose the reason I'm picking holy shield is because I think it will make dungeon runs much smoother, and makes me less reliant on the ability of the group. Holy shield itself gains 20% extra threat from the holy dmg proc and is on use. I also plan on using a shield spike, which will be more likely to trigger off the 30% increase block chance. And finally, I'm assuming that the holy shield ability will also trigger the Sanctuary blessing reflect dmg as well from blocks it induces, leading to more holy dmg TPS. I do see however that from a purely AoE perspective the mana intensity of holy shield is less preferable than just concentrate and ret aura, assuming threat can be maintained. My response to this is that I plan on a full 8/8 Judgement set (if I get lucky!) and so I should have a decent mana pool compared with purely strength / stam / defence orientated gear. Moreover I plan on using seal of wisdom. Whether wisdom is preferable over SoR holy dmg TPS is likely debatable, and I'm sure experience will tell over time when I actually get down to trying it out.

[@bhelockharyh2969]

@@harry0able Once you get your Tier 2 set, you're pretty much set (no pun intended) as it gives you all the stats you need. The spell power on it gives your spells more damage to increase your TPS. Your reasoning behind why you want to take Holy Shield makes sense, you'll just have to try it for yourself and see how it goes, I personally don't like it but it might work well for you. Whatever you end up choosing, communication and target marking is a must to ensure all goes well and people don't start blaming you for wipes just because you're 'an easy target'. That's the beauty of the Paladin, there's many different ways to play it, as long as you make sure to minimize your weaknesses, you'll do just fine.

[@72barnabas]

Could you tell me as for starting out building towards this build which tree to start in and which one second and last

[@bhelockharyh2969]

If you want to start this build as you level, I would start in the Ret tree and pick up Seal of Command, it is a fantastic talent for leveling along with Pursuit of Justice. Then I'd either go in the Prot tree to pick up Precision (3% hit) and then go Holy for Consecration or go directly in Holy for Consecration and then finally in Prot. This wasn't intended as a leveling build though but you can tweak it to your needs while leveling and respec at 60 to make it the AoE build presented in the video. Copying this build talent for talent might not be the best thing especially if you solo level. But in a group it won't be a problem, so let me know how it goes for you, I'd like to have your feedback!

[@WTFGamersTR]

i am just thinking i am level 45 paladin and i have not uppgraded retri aura yet then it is not better to take holy shield ? feels like you talking just 60 level paladin it will be very usefull if u answer thx

[@bhelockharyh2969]

Going for Holy Shield will be faster and you'll get a good boost sooner along with Reckoning that apparently can be triggered if you're on point with your timing (I didn't try myself yet). Me, I personally prefer going Ret for Benediction and Pursuit of Justice as I have mostly experienced the game with Ret. Hope it helps if not lmk!

[@ВладимирКопылов-м5к]

TOP video for farm in prot! thx

[@haffahorse1538]

I give this video 5 smiley faces

[@pascalwulz746]

Can you Aoe farm at lvl 20??? Or is it too difficult?

[@LeJulles]

Is it good for lvling and tanking as well? :) i can take the 3/3 Improved Righteous Fury. I am almost there to pick Blessing of Sanctuary. Until now i was lvling almost like that. It's boring and very slow but i can tank every instance very easily.

[@bhelockharyh2969]

To be honest if you go for a prot/tanking build then actually tanking dungeons will be your best bet. If you go out and solo level you might not get the most out of it as you don’t have other members covering your ‘blind spots’. If you want to do questing and you find yourself mostly solo, then probably a deep ret or ret/holy build might suit you better. But if you don’t mind the dungeons then I encourage you to tank as tanks are always in high demand and it is great practice for pre raid content at level 60

[@MycketTuff]

I'd put spirit higher, people underestimate how useful it is in a rotation with cast breaks and seal of wisdom up.

[@Pjakt]

what do you do at lvl 30 with talents? xd

[@waterface111]

what spec are you going to use to level up your paladin? I can't find a solution myself, since its not clear if sit reckoning will work or not..

[@bhelockharyh2969]

I'm pretty sure it will not work as I recall hearing that it didn't work in the Beta . Now if ever Reckoning works, you can go for a 1H/2H reckoning build depending on your preferences. I assume the worst (it will not work) and plan on going Retribution if I solo level. If I can get a duo leveling partner, which I really hope to, then I'll go with a hybrid build of Holy/Prot/Ret. Hope that it answers your question!

[@waterface111]

@@bhelockharyh2969 awesome, could you link the full ret build that you are going for? thanks!

[@bhelockharyh2969]

@@waterface111 Hey sorry for the late reply, but I'd probably go for something like this classicdb.ch/?talent#stxu0GZZVdxtbcqo or maybe this classicdb.ch/?talent#sxxkZxhZVdxtbcqo by going into Prot first then Holy. I still need to do some testing so it can be subject to change

[@Lanx31406]

I just hit lvl 35 in classic and about to respec. Should I hit consecrate then go into the prot tree? Or get my blessing?

[@uche876]

of course give consecration

[@bhelockharyh2969]

Yeah COnsecration is super good for tanking, if it's your goal and at level 35 you'll get your Sanctuary soon

[@lordyrich]

I'm 35. I want to heal in raids at 60 but is this worth respecing to now to level up faster? I'm current a ret/ holy auto attacker

[@bhelockharyh2969]

Ron lim actually a ret/holy build can be quite efficient to level. As long as you have SoC and Pursuit of Justice to begin with, then you can either keep going deeper in ret down to vengeance or go into holy down to Divine Favor. It is a good hybrid to allow you to dps and heal as needed

[@robertp457]

Go full Ret for leveling. I leveled from 40+ at Prot and it was terrible.

[@Puxomawi]

Watching someone buff up for 5 minutes straight and then use the Heart of the Scale just to un-equip it and lose the buff killed me a bit inside... then watching Blessing of protection for a pull and forgetting to reapply sanctuary... T_T

[@bhelockharyh2969]

Puxomawi hopefully you won’t need Stratholme Holy Water administered to your eyes 😬

[@carlpowell0]

Nice vid man. Do you know if your preraid bis is available in phase 1 of classic?

[@bhelockharyh2969]

Yes it should all be available in Phase 1 but, in my opinion, during that time I think it would be best to focus on more important things such as leveling alts/professions and building your preraid bis set for raiding, etc.

[@anatolio8689]

Thanks for grinding spots drop overview

[@flamerollerx01]

Need to turn your mic volume up and the music down.

[@xerasferalos9784]

i would recommend Crest of Retribution as farming shield

[@robertp457]

A fast weapon is better than just any weapon. I found a slow one hander was terrible for mana regen from judgement and seal of wisdom.

[@tritesy]

Love this guys videos but man the music is waaay too loud for his accent/quiet voice combo.

[@mojoturner5292]

Great video! You make the best Paladin videos. I think that if you made a raid buff "stacking video" that would be super helpful. Like you did at 39:10 that explains stacking of scroll and elixir. Just a thought. :)

[@bhelockharyh2969]

That's a good idea! I'll work on that in the upcoming videos :D

[@xerasferalos9784]

Thanks alot Alex, Very Cool Guide!

[@Xeqxz]

The music is a bit too loud compared to your voice. Other than that, nice video! Looking forward to trying this spec in Classic!

[@bhelockharyh2969]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@athene4tw]

@@bhelockharyh2969 really like that atmo undertone - can you share the artist / song pls? thx

[@bhelockharyh2969]

Drunken Macleod is there a specific timestamp for what you’d like to know? I used different pieces of music throughout the video

[@bhelockharyh2969]

@@jaimemagsaysay7503 It is the Argent Tournament music that plays during the night (which is different from the one during the day)

[@eqcicil]

This works so well! Thanks!

[@HWRogue]

armor over defense rating? Doesn't make sense to me.

[@rezeroedre7696]

Is it any viable to run this build from day1 as a hybrid sometimes prot sometimes holy depends on the grp comp? Thanks for the great content anyway :)

[@bhelockharyh2969]

Absolutely! Kargoz's duo leveling guide inspire me for this build. It's pretty much a build that I adapted but for duo leveling with a Warlock, you can go for a aeo grind god comp with all your aoe capabilities as a Paladin + Imp's Fire Shield and the Warlock AoE'ing with rain of Fire! But for a solo build, I guess it could work but I know more about the weapon progression with 2Handers so idk if it would be a good idea solo. But definitely try it if you can play with a class that can aoe easily. Link to Kargoz's video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpDVeaSnjtObZ5o

[@rezeroedre7696]

@@bhelockharyh2969 ty for the fast reply see you home :)

[@DazePhase]

I have a question. Is any of these items with damage reflect stack with spell power? And what do you think of AoE tanking with more strength to boost block value and damage.

[@bhelockharyh2969]

Dopster they do not get any bonus from spell power, at least to my knowledge. And it could be cool, the only thing would be not to overvalue strength over other stats, as you still want to run out of mana mid pull for example hehe many things are different from p servers so I want to test things before telling you or others if such alternatives are good or not

[@DazePhase]

​@@bhelockharyh2969 My first priorities are stamina and defense ofcourse. I want to be a off tank in raids but if is not viable, do you think a hybird build with spell power and healing (T2 set) is going to still be viable for healing in raids? Something like 26/25/0 Divine Favour/Blessing of Sanctuary.

[@bhelockharyh2969]

@@DazePhase Depending on your guild you might not have the chance to off tank as some guild do not think much of Paladins outside healers but if that's your case, you can totally go for a build with BoS, either 26/25/0 like you said or 30/21/0. If your guild has enough Paladins, having one of them with BoS can really benefit the raid that way

[@DazePhase]

@@bhelockharyh2969 I have my own guild so... will work. Thank you for the info. Make more videos, I subbed. :)

[@prisonerofthehighway1059]

Dopster - you have to check old wowhead comments marked 1.11-1.12 on an individual basis. Some items survived the spell power nerf. Thunderfury, Sulfuras and Skullflame Shield do scale with spell power. Blizzard nerfed some and spared others. The nerf was in 1.10 because AQ has a ton of SP gear. 5/5 Avengers, Thunderfury and Skullflame Shield make you an absolute beast lol. The last week before BC dropped my guild went into WSG with my pally in this setup. I just grabbed the flag and we sat in our base farming honor until they quit respawning. It was glorious lol.

[@flokizeira]

whats that blue shield?

[@bhelockharyh2969]

IF you're asking about the blue shield in the buffs, it is Greater Blessing of Sanctuary

[@wildhorse4]

is this stuff EVEN VIABLE anymore since its all based off of private servers?

[@GRIMHOOD99]

Original was based in some original vanilla builds. In terms of difference between private and classic is mainly AI of npcs number wise lot of privates had a lot of higher numbers on mobs to compensate for that.

[@robertp457]

@@GRIMHOOD99 That's not accurate Reckoning doesn't work in Classic like it did on most private servers.

[@6Churches]

The background music is a little too loud relative to your voice

[@6Churches]

I'm back re-watching the build, and the music is so distracting still (haha)

[@romanyakovlew8150]

What type of gear you can advice for 5 multibox paladins ? to farm stratholm undead ? sorry for bad english ))

[@bhelockharyh2969]

Lifestealing gears such as the Skullflake Shield, the Demon Forge Breastplate and the Wraith Scythe (that has a 1:1 spell power coefficient) could be very good. In the case of a multibox, having 1 paladin with the 8 piece bonus of the T1 set could be really strong as it would be healing the whole group periodically (although for that you need to raid so idk if it would be easily accessible for you). Hand of Edward the Odd could be fantastic to get those instant cast Holy Light and Holy Wrath as well. I've never multiboxed so idk if all your pallies should have the same gears or if a typical group of 1 prot, 1 holy and 3 Ret would be better.

[@romanyakovlew8150]

@@bhelockharyh2969 ty for your answer Demon Forged Breastplate is very good ( i have 1 tank and 4 ret main deal i need one shot big pull party of undead . but your advice it very good too you can stay in fight long time and use concecration . think i need try find all oae items and gear all paladins with it + gear on spell damage , dont know Holy Wrath get spel damage bonus or not

[@bhelockharyh2969]

@@romanyakovlew8150 TBH there isn't much that will survive 5 Holy Wrath and (possibly) 5 Consecrations, as long as your tank can survive the damage, you'll get good gold/hour even if you pace yourself to pull slower

[@naperock9]

Fantastic.

[@kiri4535]

Thank you for guide !

[@robertp457]

A couple of other things I want to mention about your video: 1) the word “gear” used to mean equipment is already pluralized. 2) Paladins are still good for healing and not that good for tanking or dps due to not having enough gear to support the two specs.

[@kevin23]

can you tank 5 mans with this spec?

[@Alexandros.Mograine]

you can tank 5 mans as prot paladin, in many cases even better than warriors.

[@resonantevol]

gave you a like, thanks for the nice walkthru

[@VictorAraujo17]

Probably the most complete guide of AoE farming with paladins. Great work! On TBC that farming is most efficient because Blizzard optimized the paladin tanks, it's a pity that paladins tanks during vanilla is not a great tank like warriors.

[@bhelockharyh2969]

Victor Araújo I knoooow! It is sad that I won’t be a MT until TBC, but if it is released, you bet I’ll be prot! :D

[@marczn]

​@@bhelockharyh2969 Have you actually been allowed to offtank raids on the classic private server you play on? If so, how did it work out? Thx in advance.

[@bhelockharyh2969]

I didn't get the chance personally, as I leveled too many characters :P But to get into raids as a Paladin offtank, boy oh boy, you'd need cooperative people and good connections as in this case, the raid has to adapt to you, which is not always easy with 39 other people. Although it can be done, I wouldn't advise it as you will most likely have a lot of resistance unfortunately.

[@marczn]

@@bhelockharyh2969 Yeah I can imagine.. *sadface* Appreciate the answer though.

[@QBertone]

I would really like to watch the guide, but the music is way too loud and distracts

[@xmlviking]

They changed the talent trees no longer viable in TBC

[@baldmonkk]

Why not use anticipation? + 10 to defense skill

[@bhelockharyh2969]

That's an alternative to going for Toughness but for me the armor is going to be much better as with 10% armor, you just get more and more with better gears

[@matthewkeating6970]

Great vid

[@TheDezedez]

Big fan of the HUD 😂

[@jiipo3]

Such an informative video. but the music just completely takes over at some points. It was waay to intense at certain parts, Especially at that high volume. Otherwise great video

[@faebsl8048]

does this work in classic wow?

[@bhelockharyh2969]

It more than likely can, but I'll try it once I have the gear to make an update video

[@carlpowell0]

To be honest, if you have to use consumables to farm... Well that seems a bit backwards

[@JWSoul]

Agreed

[@reckbombing8974]

No Ewards hand or Uther Trinker....

[@bhelockharyh2969]

I do talk about Uther's Strength @ 28:05, maybe you missed it. And for the Hand of Edward the Odd it is rare and extremely expensive, I've personally never seen it below 400g on the AH. Now if you already have it, you can definitely use it for this build, but buying it just for this purpose isn't what I'd suggest unless you really have lots of gold. Like I said, your weapon won't make or break the spec, use what you have at your disposal and upgrade it over time.

[@devilmikey00]

I think you are over valuing improved ret aura and especially at lower gear levels, which you will be for a long time in classic. Reckoning will proc constantly with shitty gear and reckoning can proc seal of light/wisdom or any on hit effect that might be on your gear. Not to mention by not going so deep into ret you can pick up 2% more parry and a bit more armor to help with the shit gear problem. Seems more useful than 3% crit, 8% movement buff and 10 reflect damage. Also chances are in crappy gear you won't be pulling giant scores of enemies to you so the reflect damage doesn't add up to much by the end of any given fight VS. reckoning procs doing a decent amount of damage and healing/restoring your mana. Your build seems perfect for when you have better gear and you're getting crit less often so reckoning isn't as reliable and you're pulling much larger groups where the reflect damage is going to add up quick. Just my two cents though, great video.

[@bhelockharyh2969]

Yeah I designed the build for its best version (with good gears) but then I thought about making it more accessible with a set of pre raid bis type gears. Reading your comment, I realized that the spec isn't exactly tailored for a player with lesser gears. Thanks for your feedback, you help making it better. I plan on releasing an update video where I'll go over some tweaks in the spec and such, cheers!

[@epicscoreCS2]

17 points in ret is pointless, imo gett reckoning the 10+ dmg from your aura is not worth it sens parry and block will not proc retribution arua as it only reflect damage on a damaging attack. Better of getting Eye for an eye if you rly have to spec into ret talents.. So if you have okey" gear or grinding lower leveled mobs..don't see a use for this spec at all..sorry to burst the bubble. No pun intended.

[@aaronm3416]

@42:20 no BoS😅

[@amiloes2]

35:11 nagelring 25% drop are you kidding me? its less than 10% imao

[@Barbaryotaku]

Music too loud

[@AutodidaktKrakiler]

Music too loud, other than that it was great!

[@brianshutka5148]

43:54 Bro finds a 300-500g drop on Hardcore servers while saying this area has shitty loot.

[@Mowsen]

Good Guide mate, AOE pally farming in Dire Maul is a really really good income! go for the lashers and u will get tons of gold!

[@bhelockharyh2969]

Very good point! I'll have to try it to see what's the potential!

[@valeriolucentini5436]

is it the best spot?

[@MihaZ]

Turns out you can proc reckoning by sitting. Just gotta time it well with spell batching

[@Avrelivs_Gold]

the major downside of this, it is for when you hit 60...

[@bmw_fantopdrives5501]

You can start as early as 41. I Just leveld a Paladin as ``aoe-spec`` from 41-60.

[@Victor-em8vw]

@@bmw_fantopdrives5501 And in which spots? I'm lvl 47 and I can't really make it work at all, I always die even pulling 6 mobs with 42/43 lvl

[@bmw_fantopdrives5501]

@@Victor-em8vw I Recommend a shield Spike. The Murlocs in Dustw. Marsh is a good starting Point, or some beasts in STV

[@Jvstm]

Imagine unironically saying that Redoubt is a bad talent.

[@sonnibetoni6009]

Another guide by a dude that has not played prot paladin in classic. So much misinformation, 1# redoubt and reckoning is proc's constantly when tankin more than 3 mobs at once. 2# crit chance over parry for aoe build are you insane?. 3# cast push back talents are useless because you wont be casting heals outside of BoP or bubble since u cant block/parry/dodge while casting. 4# holy shield is the best aoe talent paladin has after concecration when you slap a shield spike on your shield. 5# defence over hit%. 6# improved judgement is useless for aoe. 7# damage mitigation over stamina every time. 8# reflect dmg and + defence items over spell dmg always. 9# This guide is garbage.

[@bhelockharyh2969]

sonni betoni Another comment by a dude that doesn’t know how to interact with humans. #1 Redoubt has a decent proc rate in this situation, the more npc’s the better, I know, I said it. I’ll get back to reckoning later. #2 I tried both a had better success with crit overall; going for 2% parry instead is indeed an option, personal choice depending on the gears. #3 good point, I didn’t think about that, but if both cd’s are down and need to heal, it could be a problem. #4 I discussed Holy Shield, it costs a lot of mana and needs to be used every 10 secs. Vs many mobs, I prefer increased damage from ret aura as it is guaranteed damage vs everybody that hits you, not just vs the one attack that got blocked. #6 I guess you’re right, I prefer a lower cd on judgement for more utility depending on the seal used; but I get why you say that. #7 I get your point, but why would you pick reckoning then? More defense means you’re less likely to get hit/get crit, especially if mobs are lower level than you. With more defense, you make your 5 talent points less useful, you can’t have it both ways. #8 there is so much reflect damage items you can get, and you’ll need to compete with tanks to roll on most of them. Spell power is easier to come by, and the Tier 2 set gives nice set bonuses. I can’t think of any piece of armor (chest, pants, gloves, etc.) that have reflect damage and that are worth picking over your tier gears, but you might know some. #9 your feedback is always welcomed but you don’t have to act like a savage, we are all civilized here and can talk about issues/improvements in a friendly manner. It’s not because a playstyle is different than yours that it’s automatically bad. That being said, thanks for the feedback, I’ll test some of that stuff along with other things and might make an updated version.

[@sonnibetoni6009]

@@bhelockharyh2969 Reckoning+ seal of light+judgement of light give you immortality sustain that is why, and the last comment was intended as a grain of salt comic slogan like ''you are fired!''. No offense intended.

[@bhelockharyh2969]

sonni betoni true, but I’m curious about how you’d make it work, would you just cancel your auto attacks and wait for multiple stacks to unleash 4-5 auto attacks or just keep attacking and use reckoning as it procs?

[@sonnibetoni6009]

@@bhelockharyh2969 reckoning procs automaticly so attack cancel is not needed, and if you skip an attack just to gain an attack the number of attacks per minute stay the same. SoL has no internal cd or proc/min so the more attacks per second the better.

[@sonnibetoni6009]

@@bhelockharyh2969 Also attack cancel runs the risk of over stacking reckoning so its not a good idea.

[@i-vanya7332]

thx! this guide open how to lvlboosting very fast and easly with grinding mobs with this spec on pala ;) jokerdtv when play pala ;D

[@justinTime077]

I tried your build and it was a waste of my gold. Prot aoe without reckoning and holy shield is a bitch and sucks. Reckoning will get you more attacks to proc your seals, enchants, etc. Holy shield will cause more damage, burst aoe if you will, and keep your health steady. Here's my take, just a humble Paladin King. I like imp 1h for 8-10% to ALL damage, and you can ALWAYS use R1 Holy Shield for less mana, still great damage, and more defense = less bullshit. Imp ret aura just sucks ASS. 50% of nothing is NOTHING! 31 Prot 20 Holy is safe, powerful, and can still be functional aside from gold farming. Reckoning is NICE to have on the side, whether 1h or 2h. If forced into a single target situation, you can pull out the 2h and use reckbombs, but 1h/shield still does great dmg too due to your thorns. Case closed.

[@monksoup669]

Music is too damn loud can hardly hear you

[@Ineedpeace215]

I'm super awesome.

[@张明涛-o3r]

谁能给个中文翻译版本呀

[@Pablochette98]

great video +1