PALADIN in WOTLK Classic: YOU GOTTA TRY IT

[@Toyhouze]

Thanks for watching! Which class do you want me to make a video about next?

[@OminousCorridor]

Can't wait to see Feral, MM, and Rogue.

[@JayTheProduct]

warrior please :)

[@nauthes4696]

Hunter, keep me hyped to play my hunter

[@GewoonDaveyNL]

Mage please!

[@btingsbtings8290]

Shadow Priest.

[@Moonlakes]

well after playing on warmane for years, i can assure you that paladin is the most broken class in all of wotlk. all 3 specs are needed in every 10 and 25 man raid because of the buffs and cooldowns and all 3 specs are one of the best at what theyre doing.

[@vodvinn233]

*Fully agree with you*

[@DoodleNugget9]

Even retribution?

[@Moonlakes]

@@DoodleNugget9 yes.

[@DoodleNugget9]

@@Moonlakes awesome thanks

[@Fusions-xl3sh]

All classes in wrath was fun and the talent tree felt complete best xpac ever

[@Alpenmagier]

class design peeked in wotlk imo and has gotten downhill ever since

[@Fusions-xl3sh]

@@Alpenmagier classes feel like a downgrade compare to wrath

[@stevenpitera8978]

This is why everyone rolling paladin is funny. Dudes are legit shooting themselves in the foot changing their main when they haven't dealt with the DKs yet lol.

[@Alpenmagier]

@@stevenpitera8978 i dont even play pally :P

[@DARKSTAR13SPENCER]

@@Alpenmagier 100%. every class has melded into eachother making the game feel flat and meaningless

[@burtonisalive]

Been a pally from the beginning of Classic. I have enjoyed playing the evolution of this class since the “beginning” seeing as I missed it originally. Paladin has always been my class.

[@Typicalcaleb-y1h]

I’m leveling a pally in tbc for wrath classic :)

[@chase2968]

Doing the same. Been a painful process. What spec you leveling as?

[@Typicalcaleb-y1h]

@@chase2968 hey mate, right now I’m going as Ret as leveling, that’ll be my main spec I’m going with. But yes I agree it pretty painful lol

[@Kfo221]

That's what everyone is doing because how op pally is going to be. I hope wrath is going to be balanced

[@williambyrd6665]

@@Kfo221 There's always a few classes that are considered OP in every version. The most balanced of the first three is WOLK.

[@Vic-qp1gk]

@@chase2968 are you seal twisting? Makes lvling a bit easier

[@JRGomez81]

Back in the pre-patch for Wrath, when my guild did a Hyjal run, as a ret paladin I was able to get top damage and healing thanks to Light Judgements and all the NPCs attacking the boss...

[@bromandatheblur1086]

Dude this was an awesome video. Got me super hyped for Wrath

[@Connor1992wes]

no cast time on avengers shield was a big change

[@viralityac]

Yeah getting used to the 1 second cast again took a bit of time.

[@ccgamerlol]

salvation has a 2 min cd and lasts for 10 sec reducing 2% per sec plus whatever from talents, big nerf, justified too since a lot of classes gain threat reduction in their kit now, threat overall will be less of a problem especially in the later patches

[@illumstern8831]

It's fascinating to look at the Prot tree now that I'm older and... well, probably not wiser. But, more knowledgable, maybe. I remember looking at talents like Divinity, Divine Sacrifice, and Ardent Defender and going... "Wow, those look meh." Light, I was bad back then(I was pretty young, though...). How on earth did I go all the way to Halls of Reflection?

[@DiegoSenge]

Yeah. I used righteous fury as a ret because it said increases threat and i thought it has to be good right. Good times

[@DisemboweII]

When I played Vanilla WoW I had no concept of threat at all, but I wanted to play as a Warrior with a shield, so when I got the skill Taunt that said "Taunts the target to attack you", I thought it was a completely useless skill... why would I _want_ to be hit?! (I proceeded to play as Prot Warrior for the next ~15 years or so)

[@Carlos-in6ko]

I remember Prot paladins always topping the Dps in dungeons

[@svenpai3974]

Love them in Wotlk. Extremely fun to play

[@Karl_Drogo55]

sacred shield + sheath of light + art of war synergizes well for ret too

[@StormEarthFire]

I'm seriously considering maining paladin for wrath C. Ret for pvp and maybe prot for dungeons and maybe raids (idk if time will allow raids). Mained a healer originally so trying something fresh

[@smiIingman]

Ret for dungs and raids Prot for gold farming Palas are just so wonderfully versatile

[@andreaskvaloy]

All three paladin specs are pretty awesome in WOTLK, and with dual spec you can finally enjoy more than just one. :D

[@Naesala119]

Back when WotLK was about to come out, ret was insane! I could literally kill most allied players my level with one move. Crusader strike with seal of command. Just so insanely powerful!!!

[@erikstein1348]

Excellent video, i played a holy paladin all tbc. hit 2.2k in 2s with a hunter and lock, which took so much effort. I swapped ret wotlk and had plenty of friends who were ret or prot/ret hitting glad and rank 1. It's highly viable as you run faster than every class and you have justice to judge to slowing them at least 15% slower than you. Double ret was a 2k comp in 2s. its just an OP class and to me, meta.

[@lucasletieri8735]

Yes! The problem is that when you pop your wings, your adversaries get that kill switch on you, and they know you won't be able to use any meaningful defensive cooldowns. Ret is strong, but you need a lot of discipline when facing casters, specially mages and warlocks. I used to main warlock on a wotlk private server and I smirked whenever I saw a pally popping his wings

[@lucasletieri8735]

You guys become a death ball when you get your shadowmournes, tho. Then, it's overwhealming

[@BuzzzdLightyear]

Think this is gonna be my main alt class for Wrath. Pretty sure most people are gonna be jumping on the DK bandwagon but Ive been waiting to play this version of the paladin for a while.

[@renehickmann3003]

Most broken ability in wotlk was sacred shield ...

[@DavidVoxDem]

more than power word shield?

[@alperhalit7722]

true

[@kramer911]

thinking of making / boosting a pally. Is prot viable for lvling? or would it be slow?. I feel like playing holy as my main pvp spec but since that is not good for lvling, maybe prot lvling

[@zarakikon6352]

I wanna make a pally alt. But I'm unsure on the race and male/female. I'm hung up on the fighting animations mainly. Dranei or Dwarf.

[@bearj.4363]

I played ret from original vanilla to cataclysm I'm so excited for wotlk ret again.

[@ivankresna7129]

Where did you get the holy paladin tmog, its so cool

[@Toyhouze]

It's Conquerer's Aegis Battlegear. I think it looks cool too :)

[@ivankresna7129]

@@Toyhouze niceee thank youuu

[@goodknight6828]

Is seal twisting fixed in wrath?

[@andrewbonning6615]

I cant decide what to do with my paladin, Holy in Classic, Prot in TBC, thinking ret in WotLK? But i do want to raid and im unsure if rets will be swamped come this xpac.

[@golagiswatchingyou2966]

Will paladins be able to do more crazy goldfarming strategies in wrath?

[@honestfan420]

Really enjoying this series. Can’t wait for Shadow Priest!

[@Toyhouze]

Thank you! Glad to hear, Priest is coming up soon!

[@Adam-vp4oe]

All the crit in the talent tree makes me think crit is better than SP for them. Anyone know how much SP increases heals?

[@Silmarieni1]

I will play prot pally in WOTLK classic. However, ret leveliing was much faster than prot levelling in WOTLK. I assume this will be the same in WOTLK classic ?

[@Karl_Drogo55]

Yea while Ret doesn't have snare in pvp, judgement of justice is insanely strong and a good counter against many classes...factored in with pursuit of justice talent we can close the gap on targets in that sense

[@BrianKeeganMusic]

Holy Paladin coolest build imo

[@EviLcRatz]

Played as Holy for pve and hybrid holy-retri for pvp. Best healer in raids and pretty much never died in arena and battleground. Too broken. Loved it. Good times.

[@helaterdiebyacold3739]

I have a dwarf lvl10, is it still good compare the humans in wotlk or i must reroll race?

[@Toyhouze]

Depends if you want to PvP - Human is best for PvP by far. But for PvE Dwarf is good

[@helaterdiebyacold3739]

@@Toyhouze there is a dungeon/raid in wotlk when you really need the PVP trinket human racial?

[@ryanbruce3670]

@@helaterdiebyacold3739 no lol or how would horde do?

[@christhezane]

Protadins can solo pretty much all group content most other classes cannot. And, when well-geared, even if your healer dies you might still make it, depending on the fight. I don't remember if you mentioned Holy Wrath but Holy Wrath! Don't forget most mobs are undead and Holy Wrath and Exorcism only work, or work best, vs the Undead. Add these to your already broken consecration and Seal of Command and you can say paladins were in very good spot when it came to tanking large groups in Wrath. Did I mention Ardent Defender in its Wrath form is still considered one of the most overpowered ability in the history of WoW?

[@Irudium1]

WAIT, CAN U STILL PLAY HOLY PROTADIN JUST LIKE BACK IN THE DAYS IN PVP ?

[@andrehanisch1327]

is this footage from a private server? where did you test this all out?

[@Toyhouze]

yes private server

[@andrehanisch1327]

@@Toyhouze oh which one? I haven't found any that work or are easily accessible and reliable

[@Gijs9114]

sacred shield. is it, I do this on the tank - and then get +50% crit on him? or do i cast in on myself and i have +50% crit on anyone?

[@Toyhouze]

50% crit on the target that has sacred shield

[@Gijs9114]

@@Toyhouze thanks that clears it up for me.

[@johntitorii6676]

Great vids

[@hvdiv17]

Frost dk or bust in classic wrath nothing else.

[@thicks3351]

According to Toyhouze, every class is broken....

[@christopherkatsafaros6878]

When does wotlk classic come out?

[@Toyhouze]

No announcement yet

[@wmv8996]

Really enjoyed holy in wotlk. Loved the new aoe heal.

[@dvdjkaufmn]

I remember the 3.0 ret paladin. What nonsense that was, for a short time til 3.1 went live. 🤣

[@detrix9043]

I see much more prot paladins tanks now in tbc and seems like it'll be the same in wotlk, so i would like to ask the prot pallies of here, are you playing a prot paladin o ly because they're considered the best tanks in a few situations, or only because you like the class?

[@wmcarter6096]

3rd option for your poll: AoE farm

[@adornowasright7920]

I rerolled from a fury warr to a prot paladin when tbc started. I like the class but was aware of the other positive things like aoe farming and their potential to be the best tank in WOTLK. It took a bit to get used to their playstyle, I only played holy pala in WOTLK and had pretty much no idea how prot worked in TBC. Never looked back, it's been fun progressing through all the content these months

[@igortoniato]

Aoe farm, it's fun and the best option for tanking

[@ryanbruce3670]

Didn't get to play it enough before holy power ruined the class

[@MyViolador]

"champion of all that is holy" - *shows a Blood elf* Are you sure about that?

[@Toyhouze]

I was waiting for this comment lol. The blood elf is shaking his head!

[@Davidooof92]

Do a video about shamans in wotlk next, i bet people start playing them more in tbcc afterwards ^^ We need more shamans !

[@Toyhouze]

Shaman video is up on the channel! It's a good one imo!

[@warpathh]

Awesome video thank you!

[@Toyhouze]

Glad you liked it!

[@earttu]

Man, I really miss wrath protadin, right down to 969 tanking!

[@theperfectbeing]

Bring on the bacon! I think you really underplayed how strong Art of War is in pvp, it fundamentally changes every single 1vs1 match up because it prevents you from being counterspelled/kicked and allows the pally who now moves at boosted movement speed with buff to Pursuit of justice to keep pressure on spell casters. Another thing to note is that there is no holy resistance in the game, so divine storm, crusader and exorcism are barely every resisted and that you can glyph your turn evil spell to be instant cast ( along with holy wrath and avengers shield being instant cast now too)

[@klangkang6519]

Divine storm and Crusader strike deal physical damage unfortunately. Holy wrath only works on undead though

[@faustoutloud]

Where can I play this at is this Mobile or P.C

[@Toyhouze]

PC only

[@jackmg]

Your intro sounds like something from interdimensional cabke

[@tobbisdatrain8594]

Not to mention leveling as a tank is caaaaake

[@MrBrownsugar85]

crusader aura + judgment of justice was sooo much fun to use to harass players in the open world

[@MarkanthonyIson]

Best to worst race for protection paladin in alliance pls

[@desmontiq12]

Holy pally the god of wotlk

[@AKLumps907]

Pally players are players who couldn’t figure out how to play Shaman.

[@cassioxavier918]

Please make a Paladin AoE Wotlk guide?

[@Kfo221]

I hate so dummy OP pally gets. I really hope they get nerfed. And I'm a pally main.

[@John-lo4xz]

All these videos are gonna make it so there's an 2500% increase in paladins.

[@s.t.5993]

My only caveat is that they will be like the mages and warriors in classic

[@Fleato]

yeah but also, mages will still be the mages of wrath so

[@A3racada3ra]

With the big difference that as Paladin you can actually fill all three roles. So you are much more flexible to adapt to the respective server composition without rerolling.

[@Ulisses701]

I'm not a native English speaker. What do you mean with "broken"?

[@mccoolret]

He meant to say they are really strong

[@Infernoblade1010]

Prot tank holy king!!!

[@videos8159]

Paladins will be way too common in wotlk. I remember raiding 25 naxx with 17 palas back in the day. So if you want a raidspot and loot it might not be the best class

[@stevenpitera8978]

Gotta find a guild now, but man there are alot of really bad paladins. I had one raid in tbc recently replace me for one that was better geared. 10 minutes later begged me to come back. Turns out that paladin didn't have pallypower, couldn't use anything but holy light, etc. Paladin isn't a class you show up and expect it to play for you. Even in wrath, we get some goodies but there's still mechanical things you gotta do that aren't flashy but you gotta do them otherwise your raid or pvp notice pretty hard. Even in PvP, I see really bad rets or prots trying to do things that aren't good PvP moves. I'm legit excited to drive into wrath classic and pick apart the resist changes and other goodies that aren't in the private server coding.

[@ryanbruce3670]

17/25 were pally but pally won't get raid spot... uh... wot?

[@stevenpitera8978]

@@ryanbruce3670 I mean if you are one of those 17 sure. But I can see his point. If you don't have a good guild now, then don't expect to find one in wrath. And at most 2 of those 17 are holy and 1-2 are prot so that means it's a DPS problem.

[@videos8159]

I got a real stupid problem with paladin in wotlk. I think the plate sets look so bad. I know many like them but taste is different.

[@Kfo221]

You're the only one is wow history

[@videos8159]

@@Kfo221 i know. Everybody loves them

[@gabrielcarreno2773]

I know, right? A plate class using a dress?! Really horrible set. Warrior set looks great, at least.

[@robertwells3797]

They was always OP

[@OverworkedITGuy]

The fun thing about paladin in Wrath was that a 50/0/21 Holy Build focusing on Holy Shock and all the int/spellpower/hit/crit/haste proc talents (aka Shockadin) was one of the best single target dps specs in the game purely because of how many undead enemies there were in the expac combined with the fact that Exorcism always crit vs undead and demons. The fell off a little during Ulduar and the 1st half of ToGC but was still very competitive. For the 2nd half of ToGC, Baradin Hold and ICC (including the ICC dungeons) Shockadins were just walking nukes that blew everything up (and even gave you an extra person dumping high heals into the boss in addition to the crazy damage output on high priority adds for the Valithria fight in ICC).

[@BreakerBeat]

Nah, Shockadin was far from the best single target dps. In fact, Shockadin is famous mostly from TBC PvP by using the right trinkets, pop a bunch of CD and do insane burst for a second, then after that it has no damage. It was so strong in PvP because they could function as a healer, but at any point if an enemy got to half hp you could just finish them off wit the insane burst. Most people stopped playing it in wotlk because it wasn't good anymore. I guess it was somewhat more "viable" back in actual wotlk, because it was much more common to play with a lot of people who had no idea about how to play properly, how gearing worked etc. - essentially, shockadin wasn't really viable, but when optimized and compared to people who didn't optimize it might seem more viable. If classic has shown us anything, it is that gamers are different now and people will either theorycraft or look up a guide on gear and rotation online. Either way, shockadin will not be viable. But hey, if anyone think it's fun, go for it!

[@OverworkedITGuy]

@@BreakerBeat The the updates and additions to both talents and the Exorcism spell itself between TBC and Wrath changed a lot of things. The TBC Shockadin and the Wrath Shockadin were vastly different creatures. Wrath Shockadins (or perhaps a descriptor you would find more personally comfortable is "DPS Holy") had access to talents, glyphs and other buffs to offensive non-melee spells that flat out didn't exist in TBC. Between the new talents for haste/hit/spellpower, changes to existing talents that buffed the damage potential of both Holy shock and Exorcism, the Glyphs, The auto-crit mechanic vs Demons and undead (added in Wrath), and removal of the Demon/Undead only target restriction, etc etc etc. Now, the build only performed crazy well for PvE in Wrath (due to the perfect storm of mechanic changes and the content theme of the expac), but it did indeed perform well.

[@merk1201]

Performed well against bad players sure

[@OverworkedITGuy]

@@merk1201 you folks keep saying "against players" when I say PvE. Might want to look into that reading problem.

[@merk1201]

@@OverworkedITGuy Meaning bad dps in PvE. Anyone with a brain would realize what I meant. Shockadin will be last on the damage meter every time.

[@eurekadiaz3771]

Most annoying healer in PVP, tanky af for a healer, buffs n dispels, fast heals, heals friend to 100% hp real fast.

[@jake4den]

Tell us something we don't know lmoa this is old news

[@Alboblack]

When WOTLK on Classic?

[@Toyhouze]

No announcement yet

[@HealzHS]

You actually shouldve talk to paladin mains from wotlk Pservers. Theres people there playing more than 12 years in wotlk. As ret pala main myself this video is complete BS.

[@heldragonne]

In pvp , all class in wotlk are balanced. In pve , paladins are monster

[@tobiaspabst5524]

😂😂😂😂😂ele, holypal, destro and Arms warrior are beyond broken in pvp. You must be joking.

[@BatmanisBatman]

@@tobiaspabst5524 Don't forget deathknights

[@tualatindave3797]

Lol hyping a classic expansion that Blizz has not announced. Uh, ok.

[@jaytullo5486]

Why is every other word so segmented like you recorded them one at a time? So jumpy

[@ryanc6682]

Hey man the jump cuts in the audio are super abrasive and jarring. I understand your trying to cut down time in between words but I notice it so much now makes it hard to concentrate. Hopefully you take this as constructive criticism I would rather just have you talk smoother so it flows better. I don’t mind if the video is longer . Just a thought, love you

[@Toyhouze]

Hey man thank you for the feedback, I tried to make it less jarring for this next video, while still cutting out my breathing, umms, etc. Hope it is a better experience next time, and you're not alone, saw another comment mentioning it's abrasive. Thank you man, love you too.

[@ryanc6682]

@@Toyhouze you the man!! Appreciate you!!! Keep up the great vids!!

[@Trump2024Vance]

We get Frost DK tank and blood dps back. I won't play anything else.

[@ryanbruce3670]

Fr. Arp capped blood dps gonna be one of my main goals

[@chrisgolda]

And unholy IS also really nice. DK IS Just super nice.

[@nicksmith1665]

Booo DEAD GAME !

[@josifkathechis7310]

Mad cuz bad, lmao