Palworld Is Cooked

[@DrTurtles-]

If Nintendo wins, won't this mean that all creature collectors are in danger?

[@andreaquadrati]

Only if you blatantly steal from them, since the indie market is full of those but none are getting axed.

[@JohnyX8881]

In theory. I guess they will care only about successful ones. They themselves can't make Pokemon game that does not look like school-project so they will rather sue others who do it better. Image if Blizzard (and I hate Blizzard) sued everyone who makes hack&slash RPG based on Diablo. Nintendo is absolutely mentally ill when it comes to threating their fanbase and protecting their intelectual property.

[@Missingno_Miner]

No??? You can't own an entire genre, you can't patent an entire genre.

[@atticusbulan3508]

@@Missingno_MinerI’ve read that one of the patents Nintendo is likely suing on is patent 20230191255. After trying to read through the whole thing, it just seems like legalese for “throw thing at enemy in open-world to do something to said enemy“. The problem is that that’s not really a pokemon-specific mechanic, so the fear is that Nintendo could (in theory) sue other games for a somewhat-similar mechanic

[@morphstarchangeling8024]

@@Missingno_Miner They basically did with the 2024 patent which is something about catching monsters and having them fight for you.

[@madcaker]

I don't like Palworld but I hate Nintendo even more I hope Pocketpair wins this case just to potentially knock some sense into Nintendo's legal team for once

[@TheOswards306]

Or the shareholders so they can realized how terrible the companies board & legal team is being & have them both refreshed

[@pabloherranz1795]

As a Nintendo fan, I completely agree. Knock em cold palworld!

[@Socioromanticism]

That's probably wishful thinking. I highly doubt Nintendo would wait this long for a case they can't win. They either waited to make sure their case was jam-up tight...OR they waited for Pocketpair to make more money so Nintendo could sue for more. But in either instance, they'd have a case. *_My_* issue is patent law giving Nintendo a patent on mechanics at all and to the legal system not understanding what this does to the gaming industry.

[@ThatOneOf3StrongholdPlayers]

@@SocioromanticismI doubt it. Palworld, like it or not. Has enough differences and the models have enough differences to litteraly be not applicable in court. Plus it’s likely they have a dev recording of how they went about this. And it’s likely they prepared a defense of their own. One that might knock Nintendo off their high ground for once. Especially since they knew the risks.

[@raphezar2049]

@@ThatOneOf3StrongholdPlayers The designs and models you are talking about falls under copyright, not patent. We don't know for sure which one pissed Nintendo, but quite frankly almost everyone here talks out of their asses without having no real knowledge of the field

[@shadowdump2902]

Nintendo needs to lose this case at all costs. Because the precedent this would set will simply plunge us further into dystopia.

[@themysticdarkrai]

I mean they have a few legs to stand on, they're blatantly copying a few mons, fun or not, stealin is bad

[@shadowdump2902]

@@themysticdarkrai The issue is everything they have is crafted in such a way as to be 'legally distinct' purposefully, even to the point that they made certain of it with legal advice. So regardless of ethical or moral implications, this is nintendo possibly moving the goalposts for what is legal or not, which only serves to put a tighter stranglehold on artistic freedom. Like it or not, knockoffs need to be allowed to exist under certain limits, the more we tighten the grip on those limits, the more originality suffers.

[@ThatOneOf3StrongholdPlayers]

@@themysticdarkraioh. You mean copied a generic idea then? Dude. Nintendo has pretty much made every style of Pokémon at this point. Ofc some are gonna look similar. Hell, probably accidentally made some not even knowing it resembled a Pokémon tbh. Even IF some are parodies. Those have a right to existance. The ORIGINAL CONCEPTS, which are similar to existing ones pose no harm.

[@themysticdarkrai]

@@ThatOneOf3StrongholdPlayers nah I don't mean a generic idea, the people who rag on the game for having a sheep like monster are wild, I'm talking straight up grass Cinderace, Lucario if they leaned into the Egyptian theme, that kinda thing, they have some fire designs, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth that some claim they stole nothing

[@ThatOneOf3StrongholdPlayers]

@@themysticdarkrai I’ve said it once. Nintendo maaaayyy have a slight edge there, but know what? Anthropomorphic animals have been around for a while. It’s unlikely that there’s ground to stand on in that department. As they could easily claim that they, while yes, WERE inspired by some design aspects from Pokémon, it is undeniable that the style Pokémon uses, while it is unique, isn’t entirely original to the company. If that were the case there would be… MANY lawsuits. They could easily just bring up the argument that They Saw that the design choice worked and went with something slightly similar so as to emulate the feeling, but not blatantly steal it.

[@Nanashi20]

if lawsuits about patents like how catching pokemon works being the reason, then regardless of win or loss, they should be mocked for the absolute pettiness nintendo is bringing up.

[@Victor-056]

Also, that should open the doors for other people and companies to launch legal lawsuits _against_ Nintendo, since they are willing to play this kind of filthy game.

[@metalclawsteelheart]

I think the funniest part by far is that palworld never stole pokemon's gameplay loop. In fact, the "pokemon style gameplay" is AN ENTIRE GENRE CALLED "MONSTER TAMER" thankfully, considering how bold and brash pocketpair has been so far, I doubt they're gonna buckle under nintendo. ESPECIALLY considering pocketpair is in the right.

[@mitchclover258]

Nintendo doesn't have to win the lawsuit to "win" all they have to do is crush their competition under the weight of legal feels and pressure.

[@metalclawsteelheart]

@@mitchclover258 which isn't gonna happen because pocketpair is partnered with Microsoft via game pass, and is on good terms with sony

[@lilchris9cmb]

I hate the fact that fans can't express their love and creativity without Nintendo coming to their house, and that we can't have any game remotely close to Nintendo games because of their lawyers being on a power trip. I genuinely hope PocketPair wins this case, just because I hate how rutheless Nintendo is.

[@TylerYoshi]

You can express love and creativity without stealing models and supporting crypto nonsense.

[@Brandogamer293]

@@TylerYoshiPalworld is not stealing models

[@1980woodpixie]

@@TylerYoshi Palworld doesn`t steal models. That`s just a a rumor, and the person who started it was proven to by lying.

[@xathridtech727]

Palworld is closer to ark than Pokemon. It just has a Japanese filter over it

[@rawmaw]

Nintendo won't win because they're right, they'll win because they have more money.

[@Ratharaine]

But also because they are right.... like holy shit palworld is fucking rediculous with how much it steals, but tbf it still has a ton that is unique, even among the small stollen bits, the stollen bits are just really bad.

[@Kirby-vd7hw]

@@Ratharaine source?

[@Davtwan]

Which, in turn, means they have more lawyers. The fact that you’re allowed to have quite a few more lawyers than whoever you’re suing just sounds so wrong.

[@Matt-qf6pd]

Welcome to when corporations write laws (look at lobbying)

[@mdnp-grid487]

@@Ratharaine remember, stealing means taking someone's property and making use of it as if it's yours. list 25 things palworld has stolen (exact same feature) from nintendo

[@bonquaviusdingle5720]

This just makes me glad I literally pirated every nintendo game I have

[@Arockettt]

Nintendo timbers have been shivered

[@markten2430]

nintendo ninjas would like to know your location

[@peckneck2439]

imagine not owning an external hdd and not having over 50gb worth of nintendo roms on it

[@budybas]

Wouldn't even have to if they ever re released them. Privacy isn't just justified, it's necessary for new generations to play older games. 100+ dollars for a second hand copy of Super Mario Galaxy 2 is dumb.

[@Socioromanticism]

​@@budybas Eh, never loved the implications here. We don't have to play every game that's ever existed. People say the only options is to buy the game or pirate it. No. You can just not play the game. We're not talking about food, water, or even all art/games. We don't have the right to play all games ever created. Companies don't have to make it available. And just because it's not accessible doesn't make it okay to pirate it. If people want to pirate games, then just do it. Nintendo will be fine. I'm not defending a corporation against _maybe_ tens of thousands of people who have a machine that can play pirated and emulated Switch games. Let's...just not hide piracy behind it being a "game preservation" thing. Most people don't pirate games for video game preservation. They pirate it because they don't want to pay $300 for a tablet and another $60-70 for one game. Occasionally, there's some ire behind pirates' intentions to not want to support a company, but I don't think there are more than 100 people who only pirate Nintendo games and buy all of the other ones legit.

[@webbergaming1873]

Big corporations tring not to take down amazing indie projects challange (Impossible)

[@Ruyeex]

As an example, Sega accepts fan-made games that even can lead they to work on Sega. But all companies have their limits, so don't expect to be snarky with your shenanigans.

[@GamingAllday-tm4lt]

​@@Ruyeex That is very true. Like, creators of palworld should've tried to find some limits of pokemon fangames before making pokemon but "pals" look slightly different.

[@raphezar2049]

@@GamingAllday-tm4lt Patent is the scope of this lawsuit, it has nothing to do with the Pal designs

[@DonPetexX]

​@raphezar2049 patent also includes gameplay loop, which palworld is completely different from all pokemon games.

[@Ruyeex]

@@GamingAllday-tm4lt There's some pals that are almost similar to the Pokémon ones. (Wonder if they got reworked)

[@Camphreneas]

If Nintendo wins this… *then it’s eventually time to do a mass boycotting event.*

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

The fact Nintendo was UNABLE to sue over monster designs should speak VOLUMES.

[@andreaquadrati]

@@DrCoeloCephalo Where does it say they were unable? Nowhere. Use your brain a bit. It is a blatant design rip-off, and that applies to many designs that span not only Pokemon. Patent infringement is far more secure to tackle than design, due to the nature of patents.

[@ProjectMemeverse]

​@@andreaquadrati palworld is still leagues better than pokeslop scarlet and violet. Game looks like rise of lyric devs made it.

[@andreaquadrati]

@@ProjectMemeverse you can stop the dickriding.

[@1980woodpixie]

​@@andreaquadrati "It is a blatant design rip-of" No, it`s not. Palworld doesn`t have 1 to 1 representations of Pokemon in it, without mods at least. Copyright doesn`t cover things that look similar to Pokemon - it only covers the Pokemon themselves. You can`t copyright an art style.

[@shellpoptheepicswordmaster755]

It it was designs they would have sued immediately. But no, they didn't Nintendo has to make stuff up to be able to use at all.

[@jasonsaalbach5786]

Biggest question is why a patent lawsuit? I mean that means that palworld has no copyrighted material but their saying the game mechanics are a in a patent violation and are owned by Nintendo. They need to clarify on what patent violation so far I'm not sure what they want I mean they don't own monster collecting. I don't know of any survival pokemon games or gunplay in a pokemon game. So far this sounds like the weakest stuff to use a lawsuit on. Also this might also create a legal president of making it look like Nintendo owns all Monster collecting mechanics so it's illegal for anyone but nintendo to have it if the monster collecting thing is the Patent law suit. I suppose maybe they could do the gliders but that's simple for them to be removed. Although on the flip side if they win it means their is a company still around that started the monster catching mechanic before then which is now able to sue Nintendo so it opens Nintendo to be sued.

[@imwithmilk8162]

Maybe they're targeting the botw aspects of palworld mainly?

[@DJ-fb9cf]

​@@imwithmilk8162 They'd have to go after Genshin 😂

[@HaughtyToast]

It may have more to do with how it's expressed like the pokeball example they gave in the video. You can't hold a mechanic to yourself but if it's coded or animated similarly they have ground to stand on. It's part of the product's identity which seems to be what they're trying to protect. But it also depends what branch is doing this. Japan doesn't really navigate copyright the same as other countries. From what I understand they tend to deal more with trademarks.

[@3DSCarnaje]

precedent* > president That aside, yeah, it really is confusing. I'm not gonna repost the whole thing here but I put a comment under one of the high comments (at least for me dunno if it's unique) so if you wanna read it that's where to look.

[@jasonsaalbach5786]

@@HaughtyToast Ok but ho do you trade mark a way to throw or trademark the ball thing because how the balls are made and how their animations go is pretty different. I would love to know why they haven't yet put down the patent numbers yet

[@gaming_bigfoot]

I'm reminded of The Simpsons: Road Rage drama when it comes to this

[@williamboyer4213]

I would argue that Palworld is technically not done for here. What Palworld uses for monster-catching mechanics is simple and is just a game system, and as one commenter has said, it is a genre. Nintendo can sue all they want, but morally speaking, they are in the wrong, and they will not win unless they rig it with their "hard-earned" money.

[@deputyrook6232]

if they win and Palworld goes down permanently, Nintendo can say goodbye to any potentially successful Pokemon games in the future (not that there'd be any anyway, given how the last few have been).

[@soupination]

I wish pokemon fans worked like that. But both of us know they’re too busy wondering how the pivate parts of some pokemon look to care

[@faeliyoure9105]

palworld will not go down permanently. They will just modify models, animations, and pay monetary damages and nothing else.

[@jish55]

Pokemon gets a few million new fans each year, so even if a chunk of fans stop supporting pokemon, that won't matter as nintendo will consistently keep getting new fans. That's why it's remained the most successful franchise in history.

[@lilchris9cmb]

Unfortunately that's not the case. They can say "new mainline pokemon game" despite it being a broken unfinished mess, it'll print money because it has the Pokemon logo. I wish Nintendo and the Pokemon Company would get bit in the ass when trying to sue someone, but their expensive lawyers probably only take cases they can win.

[@Ze_Carrot]

The last pokemon games had the second most copies sold they will just be growing its pokemon

[@peckneck2439]

Palworld has arguably cooler way to capture monsters than Pokemon... Pal sphere launcher(Basically a missile launcher that shoots pal spheres much further than you can throw them). There's something absolutely badass in capturing pals using this weapon while gliding on your galeclaw.

[@Victor-056]

Funnily enough, the only time such a Concept was explored, was in The Electric Tale of Pikachu... Which Gamefreak doesn't consider Canon because it was written and penned by an Hentai Artist. Add in how little known the Series is compared to pokemon, and it basically tells us that Gamefreak, Pokemon and Nintendo blatently disregarded the concept of "Rocket Launchable pokeballs".

[@Somethingsomethingyoutube]

Remember when Nintendo was the coolest and most amazing conpany ever, and every kid was enthralled with them. That was a long time ago.

[@jesusmen6308]

I mean not really. Every Kid is still enthralled with them,you’re just talking from the perspective of one of those Kids that eventually grew up.

[@blazie42069]

I think this might be some sort of patent for something really obscure tbh

[@Ploxtifs_OldAndDeadAccountXD]

Mama Mia! (Maybe if Nintendo started making good Pokémon games again, Palworld wouldn’t have to exist lol)

[@Benboyyay]

maybe if Nintendo gave Pokemon guns you mean lol

[@Ploxtifs_OldAndDeadAccountXD]

@@Benboyyay no, I mean the most recent Pokémon games that were released were so bad, that I thought the newest region was Tamriel or a significantly irradiated version of West Virginia.

[@virtualcolt]

You mean Gamefreak?

[@Benboyyay]

@@Ploxtifs_OldAndDeadAccountXD I was making a joke

[@Benboyyay]

@@virtualcolt also, true

[@serge263]

I'm on Pocketpair's side with this one. I hope they win. Otherwise Nintendo is using the scummy strategy in tying up money in legal fees.

[@BaofuTheCanonicalPersonaHater]

can't wait for the creators of Guitar Hero (or whatever was the first popular rhythm game) to sue every rhythm game ever because they all have really similar mechanics

[@marxxplaysgames]

Imagine Konami suing FNF over FNF being a DDR clone

[@homersimpsonfromfortnite]

yes its not

[@1gengabe]

the patents in question appear to be filed after palworld was launched, which a patent claim is that a company stole a patent, which if the patent existed after a game existed, that claim is false

[@andreaquadrati]

@@1gengabe false. It was RENEWED after the event. The patent about catching mechanics dates all the way to 2021.

[@Victor-056]

@@andreaquadrati False. No such Patent existed. Stop hiding behind your alt accounts, Nintentard lawyer.

[@QuantumNova]

@@Victor-056 The 'Parent' patent (aka catching creatures with a ball) was filed in 2021. 'Divisional' patents (updated versions) were filed in 2024. The 2021 date will be used in court. Just how the laws work. Sorry.

[@Victor-056]

@@QuantumNova Palworld was still considered "Created" as it was in early access in 2021. I remember _THAT_ craze, even though I was not able to play it at the time.

[@nalah2402]

They basically said they wouldn't do anything about it when people were hounding them about it when Palworld came out, so I'm hoping that can be counted against Nintendo

[@jesusmen6308]

Uhhh,nuh-huh. Their precise Wording moreso Implied that they couldn’t find anything wrong at the moment, but that they WILL keep on the look out for anything.

[@M0mazosMissy]

"This block button ain't enough i want him dead 💀"

[@Labyrinth6000]

Good luck Nintendo, you lost once, you’ll lose again! Pokémon is NOT an original concept and you don’t own the concept of capturing monsters!

[@thegamingender6933]

Pocketpair WILL win, seeing as nintendo has tried AND FAILED on taking down SEVERAL pokemon fangames through lawsuits.

[@1980woodpixie]

What ones?

[@silverwing5254]

Hate to burst your bubble, but every fangame they went after DID get taken down. They haven't failed on any of them. That's why Nintendo is so infamous.

[@1980woodpixie]

@@silverwing5254 Palworld isn`t a Pokemon fangame.

[@thegamingender6933]

​@@silverwing5254 Yes, but then again, if they do win, they'll still lose in the long run. Why? They're lighting a massive fire under themselves if palworld and pocketpair goes dark, due to how much of a threat they'll be to the industry, not to mention, I'm pretty sure they did NOT PATENT CREATURE COLLECTION GAMES.

[@ashleyroberts4403]

Love Nintendo massively and consistently burning their goodwill with fans, always fun to see

[@Faleko_Fares]

Yea Nintendo is literally the worst game company ever

[@deputyrook6232]

not the worst, Ubisoft is definitely worse, Sony 's up there as well, but Nintendo is definitely hostile when it comes to customer interactions

[@CoffeeRobin-cs1nf]

At least they got good games, but on the company side, yeah they are awful

[@Faleko_Fares]

@@deputyrook6232 Sony is just have some issues in management (concord) but I know they will fix it redeem themselves when the PlayStation showcase comes

[@deputyrook6232]

@@Faleko_Fares don't forget Helldivers 2 and the PS5 Pro

[@Faleko_Fares]

@@deputyrook6232 what’s wrong with helldivers 2 it’s an enjoyable game

[@razuepic]

Nintendo is OBSESSED with Palworld

[@cheeseboi588]

Me being a Pokemon fan and hoping Nintendo loses

[@gxalcremieshiny4229]

I hate the fact that Palworld had a shitton of hoops to cross to get here Nintendo let them have their W for MONTHS now, just to sue them for money AFTER they got millions Palworld shouldn't be sued, most evidence against them was fabricated (like the "straight up copied models" were all confirmed to be fake by a hater, for example) and ofcourse, the 2 franchises dont play alike AT ALL

[@jackparis2142]

you can patent game mechanics? no wonder most games feel so stale, cant take inspiration from anything nintendo i guess

[@yeedog6145]

Warner Brothers patented the nemesis system from the Shadow Of Morder series, and since Shadow Of War back in *2017* there has been a total of 0 games released with it since then. Literally all they accomplished was stagnating creativity.

[@3DSCarnaje]

Something something feels like Disney huh?

[@jt6356]

You can't patent game mechanics, if you could, for example, the only fighting game would be street fighter, the only shooter would be astrroids, the only platformer would be mario

[@nkyfong]

​@@jt6356, then what are the doing here?

[@andreaquadrati]

​@@jt6356Namco literally has a patent on loading screen minigames. You can patent videogame concepts. Every company does, because otherwise they cannot protect against rip offs.

[@imstupid8166]

there is one big issue, the other pokemon like games, specally digimon

[@Kratos7560]

If Nintendo can do this, then Ubisoft should have every right ,under this logic, to go after Nintendo for copying Assasins Creed's tower navigation mechanic into their game LoZ Breath of the Wild. It's only fair.

[@buggerofallhell1153]

Why now, Palworld has not been in the spotlight for a year.

[@VoxAstra-qk4jz]

Because palworld hasn't been in the spotlight for more than a year, like a predator waiting until their prey is isolated.

[@notoriousyolkhound4600]

Honestly im not even going to buy the switch 2 at this point, I realized theres so many games in a genre that are just as good if not better than most nintendo games with substantially better developers than them

[@xray96x72]

Nintendo Pls stop, You are making... You really are making me to hate you at this point because this is absurd

[@evereq8970]

Is Nintendo gonna sue all dog owners too?

[@EvolvingFetus]

Digimon should sue pokemon.

[@alexfoxfaunus455]

Isn't Digimon owned by the big anime company toei and their games are made by bandai funny enough Digimon games appear on the Nintendo switch awhile back

[@virtualcolt]

Gotta love how every single Pokemon fan in the comments is acting like a Pokemon hater after all the shit they threw at Palworld. I really dont get you guys XD. Ill rather stay in a fandom that makes me be accused of being a clopper before being on this shit any further. At this point, why do you people want more Pokemon games if you shit on them at the very first opportunity that comes out?

[@JohnyX8881]

I want more GOOD pokemon games. Sadly no such game was released by Nintendo for a while, which is why I rather play Pixelmon or Pokemmo.

[@crackedblack1410]

Well, then I don’t care about Pokémon anymore. If GameFreak and Nintendo can‘t make a good f*cking Pokémon game but they delete every single „fangame“ that’s objectively better than all their games combined, I don‘t want to support them any further. Besides, Gen 9 was bad either way🤷‍♂️

[@minikilla3568]

I’m glad I sold everything Nintendo related. I pirate all their games because of the very fact of them acting like Sith Lords sending out their lawyers like storm troopers. If anyone has seen how bad the Pokémon he’s shown on screen on the switch, most would immediately ask for a refund due to the huge fact it ran horribly!

[@maddoxreddish4352]

Tbh pocketpair should make a gofundme to help fight nintendo asuming they dont have enough money to cover costs

[@indiana47]

Patents if too broad can be thrown out, if Palword's mechanic is different enough they could win, or if the patent was made after Palword then it can be thrown out.

[@775jackdude]

If Nintendo wins, I'm putting Mario on my firing range!

[@JohnyX8881]

If Nintendo spent half as much on their games (especially in case of Pokemon) as they do on lawyers, they wouldn’t have to worry about other games surpassing theirs.

[@soulsolis3096]

The more Nintendo tries to stop their fans from having fun, the more I'll legit pirate everything they make and emulate as soon as I can.

[@whiverthewyverncat5872]

yeah... im not going to buy any new pokemon games if they keep up this behavior (i only play online emulators anyways)

[@rockowlgamer631]

Nintendo at this point is an alcoholic uncle, love/hate relationship where some days he'll talk about fun shit like when he went into the sewers and found a giant snapping turtle or when he went out in the woods and saw a cave that has a cool stone. There we enjoy his company as kids, wondering how we'll have our own adventures. .....And then there's his bad side when he's drunk (with power) and will belittle you for making your own stuff that mimicked his ideas/his creations. Tell your parents (or in this case lawyers) and have them ground you to the point you start to wonder why you bother visiting him. Then you look back on the good times, see 1st paragraph to repeat the cycle. I'm honestly tired of Japanese customs or just Nintendo shitting on fan made games or other monster tamer games that try to be "unique" (even though PocketPair CEO said that he just wants to make fun games.) Dammit Nintendo stop ruining the competition, you're becoming too full of yourself.

[@Rolling-nachos40]

There's leaks that nintendo plans to sue kart racer clones and smash clones after this is over

[@Anomalocringe]

palworld is really fucking bad, but i really hope Nintendo loses this lawsuit.

[@Candee_The_Reaper]

I got a pixel pals ad while watching this. What, are they going to take that down, too?

[@hamsi_bey4850]

I would classify Palworld as a parody because of the many things that are way too similar as you mentioned, if they didn't want their game to be associated with pokemon i feel like they would distance their "pokemon-like" mechanics and designs to make it seem more original.

[@lunarshield8944]

So people here forget that Microsoft has invested in PocketPair and Palworld and as a result this woll most likely turn into Nintendo VS Microsoft/Xbox and if that happens Nintendo will be forced to back down by just as zealous AMERICAN Lawyers. So really its a matter of how much is Microsoft willing to get involved and how long PocketPair can hold out in court. The reason that the Lawsuit was filled in the Tokyo Cour5 and not International Court is because both companies (Nintendo and PocketPair) are Japenese and the fact that an International court would almost certainly side with Pocketpair But if Nintendo wins this will cause a chain reaction of lawsuits that could see tons of indie developers who make games like fps or rts struck down by Activision or Sony or any other AAA company.

[@zikry4787]

One persons controversy is a clout chaser's gold

[@OhKayEl]

And they said Nintendo didn't own Pokémon...

[@mr.hooman4438]

well according to my calculations the amount of damages in usd that pal world (aka what pal world should have to pay in a fully just system) has caused Nintendo is between 0 and -25,000 dollars. In the worst case scenario pal world has not effected Nintendo earnings at all because I doubt that people are buying pal world INSTEAD of any pokemon games. in the best case pal world has caused Nintendo earnings to go up because not many people where talking about Pokémon that much until pal world came out. I would not be surprised of pal world remained people the fun they had in Pokémon games and ended up revisiting some of their games. but hey thats just a theory A FINANCE THEORY.

[@andreaquadrati]

This comment section in a nutshell : "Since I don't like these guys, no matter how right they are, they must lose". The law has no place for delusional ideas.

[@morphstarchangeling8024]

The law shouldn't allow you to patent the idea of throwing a ball to catch something either but we don't always get our way.

[@1980woodpixie]

Care to explain why Nintendo is "right"?

[@andreaquadrati]

@@1980woodpixie For the eyes of the law, they are the ones that got their patent infringed. Easy. There is no morality, ethics, or whining that holds. Don't like them? It's a you problem. The law doesn't give a spiced damn about whether or not the company is looked upon nicely or not.

[@1980woodpixie]

@@andreaquadrati Their patents aren`t valid, and it`s a wonder how they got accepted. They`re way too broad to be reasonable. If Pokemon wins this case, they can strike down pretty much anything that they don`t like. And i say that both companies have their issues - Pocketpair is full with AI filth, and Nintendo is very overprotective of their intellectual property, and has no clear set boundary of what they like and what they don`t.

[@andreaquadrati]

@@1980woodpixie if they got accepted, they are valid. End of story. TPC didn't bother to go against other games, indie or famous, in the monster catching genre. Because, guess what, they changed the formula and used their own methods. Or are corteous enough to get permission. Easy.

[@budybas]

See this is the exact reason we don't see any successful pocket monster like games. Gotta keep that multi billion dollar monster chugging along. Cause its not enough to be the BIGGEST multimedia franchise on the world. People wouldn't even care if Pokémon games haven't been in the shitter for 10 years.

[@ma1-t1f]

I just think maybe if they win the case they would let the game stay up as long as they change some aspects like for example the pals some of them are truly different than the Pokémon. Even the closest you can put to compare some it just doesn’t fit and some look to similar to a Pokémon or a couple of Pokémon that they need to change it if the game doesn’t want to be taken down

[@gp-1542]

I know it’s slim but god I hope they lose

[@TraceyTra-kv1xe]

Pallworlds dev team has talked about the love they have for AI art. Tons of the palls look identical to pokemon. Im just gonna say it ai is theft and if the ai art is proven Pallworlds is cooked and its justified.

[@ThatOneOf3StrongholdPlayers]

If Nintendo wins we might have to start amassing a silent amount of Monster tamer esq game projects, and more importantly, buy some time. Keep Nintendo occupied with other things.hit them with an endless flow of infinitely better games then Pokémon they may never recover from

[@jackhumphries1087]

And that’s why I’m a sega guy

[@FinalKey]

I hope pocket pair wins only because Nintendo is a tyrant. Also Pokemon being trash, deserve the loss and should do better. All these Years later all that money, and pokemon hasnt improved. Same system that has BoTW and Mario Odyssey.

[@ProjectMemeverse]

Real pokemon is on the same console as tears of the kingdom. Mario odyssey. Smash ultimate. Honestly if i were nintendo I'd be getting on gamefreak's ass about their shit

[@leechenlin6056]

Will be throwing Nintendo product away. They are a joke

[@nacun4740]

so if some kid makes a mod for i dont know gta or minecraft about pokemon , are the nintendo going hunt him down ?

[@beliar52]

i dont think nintendo gonna win this if they do all monster colecting games are in danger

[@CrimsoniteSP]

Let's be honest though, we all knew this was coming. It just blindsighted us because of how long it took them to even do something about it. I will say in fairness, I definitely gave Palworld less credit than I should have. Still never played it but from what I've heard and seen, it's less like Pokemon, more like Pixelmon in Minecraft. However, I certainly noticed some Pals did resemble Pokemon a lot, and I really thought it was going to be about copyright. I mean, they literally have a Pal that is just Cinderace but green. That's it.

[@finalrambobino]

Pirate Nintendo products

[@K.cakedied]

Pal world was in all aspects a (what if) clone of Pokemon and it is obvious. Stop trying to convince yourselves that it is not because that's the one and only thing I've ever heard Pal world fans claim since it was released, at every start of every video in the middle and the end always stating this lie which you have even stated three times in six minutes in your own video. Pal world may not have directly stolen 3d model designs but they are so close that just by looking at them you would think of the Pokemon themselves. Throwing poke balls is a staple of the Pokemon brand they copied which I am not against but to close to the original design. The stats screen for the Pals looks exactly the same as in Pokemon and many more instances. I would compare this situation to fast food places like McDonald, Wendy's and Burger King, they all sell burgers with different packaging but at the end of the day they are the EXACT SAME. DUPLICATES.

[@yeedog6145]

I've played palworld myself and sure their are some boring and "legally distinct" pals, but plenty in there are of original make. It's honestly more like Ark Evolved than any pokemon game that I've played. Anyhow I seriously don't get why people have such a massive hate boner for this game when there are real thieves out there that just copy stuff from big titles for a quick buck.

[@K.cakedied]

@@yeedog6145 I want to be clear, I do not hate Pal world. the concept was cool but the originality of the game was about 30%.

[@ellicavalcante7850]

As a game dev, as much as I hope the lawsuit won't harm the creative freedom for creators, I don't feel bad for pocketpair in the slightest. They knew EXACTLY what they were doing when they traced those pokémon designs, and wanted the identity of the game to be attached to pokémon as a franchise because that would attract a lot of attention. There are multilple things they could have changed (both design-wise and mechanic-wise) to take elements from pokemon and actually make it feel like its own thing. But they didn't. And honestly, it's a pattern with their games.

[@Nigolelel]

Violet is the worst Pokémon ever made, palworld at least tried

[@edouardgaming9813]

Nintendo are always the big guy just sniping for lawsuit at every opportunity they can and i hate nintendo because of that nintendo is the anti-freedom of screech they will try to arrest you has soon they see something close related to them while Sega is the total opposite if you want to do a fan game about sonic pfff go on make what you want we will not take action against you they even make a fan game official that how community friendly Sega is !!!

[@PickettFencer]

I dont know if PalWorld deserves it, but it sure does look like a souless piece of shit. Those character designs are so unoriginal, I cant play a game so creatively bankrupt. In the end, I still hope it survives this.

[@ProjectMemeverse]

When you talk about souless designs do you mean pokemon sv? Ok in all seriousness palworld is much better than anything pokemon has released so far.

[@PickettFencer]

@@ProjectMemeverse Theres alot to critique about S/V, but the character/creature design is not one of them. Gameplay for Palworld is objectively better, but the creature designs are so uncreative its actually nauseating. They are at their best, Sonic OC tier reworks of already existing Pokemon. Nothing distinctive, everything is a poorly made derivative of Pokemons creature design staples.

[@ProjectMemeverse]

@@PickettFencer the character designs have to be the worst in the series and the as for the creature designs have you seen how lazy and boing the future paradoxes look? Nuff said.

[@ZackdasBohne]

It’s debatable that Nintendo are acting like villains, but the company behind Palworld are also no heroes. There is bunch of scummy stuff they did in the past like abusing early access by never actually working on the game and abandoning the project with customers left hanging in the air.

[@cooleecoolee9504]

*INCORRECT BUZZER*

[@jesusmen6308]

​@@cooleecoolee9504 as far as I know it is True tho, They had this Breath of the Wild Clone they never actually finished if I remember right.

[@ghostleopard570]

I don't like Pokemon at all, have played my last Pokemon game which was Diamond, Pearl and Platinum... All the other generations made after is poorly designed Pokemon, weird mechanics with the Mega-evolve, Gigantamax forms and all those weird things... different typing to Pokemon in gen 1 Vulpix and Ninetales for example were always Fire-type... but with the Alolan typing they are now miraculously being Ice-types.... I really like Palworld. New design, new mechanics in battle, crafting is very big gaining materials made from Pals or made by Pals... the weaponry you can use as modify your Pals with extra features like gatling guns, missiles, Rocket Launchers, as riding on some of them to carry you through the air, land or swim through sea to discover different areas, habitats with different Pals...... you have more breeding mechanics in Palworld then in Pokemon... Pals don't have this weird evolution thing implied like in Pokemon which is a better thing, makes it simpler and more dynamic in my opinion.... every Pal has its traits in your base to do...

[@GamingAllday-tm4lt]

Seeing another video on Nintendo going to take down Palworld made me even happier. I don't care how many people are going to scream "nintendo bad bc palworld gonna die!!!" It's their company, and there are way too many similarities to just be ignored.

[@tyanajones8399]

Pokemon will cooked WATCH.

[@joshuamogle8819]

Pocketpair is getting what they deserve.

[@hilario7709]

Pocket pair lost all of my respect simply for upcoming game that seems to be uet another shameless clone, this time of hollow knight

[@_Scarface_]

who gives a shit lol Hollow Knight Silksong is never coming out lmao

[@TotallyCluelessGamer]

How is it a clone of Hollow Knight? Everything I see in the trailer is just standard metroidvania mechanics, with the added ability to possess enemies once you beat them. Since you're probably young I'll explain in a bit more depth below. Hollow Knight is simply a single game in a genre that existed for roughly 30 years before Hollow Knight came around, this Genre was coined as Metroidvania because it started with Metroid, but was also reliant on the Castlevania games to survive the 2000s and early 2010s. The only things Hollow Knight added to the genre was extra physics when you hit enemies(Based on Shovel Knight's pogo mechanics) and a Souls style death mechanic(a mechanic that is also older than Souls). The only specific similarity that isn't just "being in the same genre" between the game in question and Hollow Knight is the refusal to use slopes as walkable surfaces to save a bit on animation and the obfuscation of that fact using foreground noise(noise in the sense of objects placed there specifically to clutter the screen).

[@hilario7709]

@TotallyCluelessGamer cool so it's also grime? The one gimmick you could mention is from another popular indie metroidvania? And hollow knight by no means reinvented the wheel, but instead added onto it with an interesting and unique artstyle, design and concepts. You don't gotta be so condescending my guy, it just makes you look like an asshole. You're probably young, so being condescending means...

[@MrPablosek]

Patents in video games are some of the most stupid things that are allowed in the legal fields. Imagine if someone patented the main menu, or third person, or WASD controls. Incredibly stupid. Patents should NOT be a thing in video games, PERIOD.

[@Missingno_Miner]

While I agree that it's a very scummy practice that ultimately leads to reduced creativity, the things you're citing are way too generic to ever be patented.

[@MrPablosek]

@@Missingno_Miner They are generic now because they have not been patented and everyone was allowed to use them. Back in the day games had all kinds of different controls. There was no WASD standard for it. They used arrows, numpad or even something weird like UHJK. Some games didn't have a main menu, they just put you right into action as soon as they were launched (most common in arcade games). Consoles and arcade games had different controllers designed specifically for them too.

[@Missingno_Miner]

@@MrPablosek You cannot patent any control scheme, is what I'm saying. If someone made a game where the controls were QZMP, which has almost certainly never been done before because that's a terrible idea, they would not be able to patent that.

[@MrPablosek]

@@Missingno_Miner Tell that to Sony and Xbox. You cannot have a controller with the same layout of buttons for convenience's sake (and, consequently, the same controls in a game due to different controllers having different buttons), because it's been patented. This is the reason why the steam controller has been discontinued years ago.

[@Missingno_Miner]

@@MrPablosek Wow, it's almost like that's a false equivalence, because the patent is on the controller, a physical product, and not the control scheme.

[@S-cape-goat]

Palworld wil disappeared into the void. There is no chans Nintendo Will stop aslong as there is enny chance that thy can get something out of it

[@tyanajones8399]

It's won't

[@zecomrade82]

Thers no chans

[@Ze_Carrot]

This is the first time i saw palworld gameplay the game looks cheap af why were people glazing it so hard

[@jblockminermc5401]

Maybe you should try playing it to find out why ppl love it 🤷‍♂️

[@Missingno_Miner]

Any time an new monster collector game gets any kind of attention it gets pushed as a pokemon killer, which is a mixed blessing for obvious reasons. Palworld released at a time when it was(and still is, to a lesser extent, as demonstrated by the terrible takes in this very comment section) popular to hate on Pokemon for the sake of it. Resulting in the perfect environment for it to get circlejerked to an unprecedented degree until its five minutes of fame wore off. That the game's general creative bankruptcy includes numerous designs that toe the line of literally just being pokemon in a deliberate and transparent effort to encourage the comparison and get itself free advertisement as "Pokemon with guns" also contributed to this.

[@Ze_Carrot]

@@jblockminermc5401 idc how good it is it looks cheap and if i wanna play a good cheap looking game im gonna play pokemon

[@Ze_Carrot]

@@Missingno_Miner bro I don't think u had to write all this but mate thats like a good breakdown of things u should do this for money

[@jblockminermc5401]

⁠@@Ze_Carrot​​⁠sorry but Pokemon is cheap in both appearance and gameplay, not sure why kids such as yourself glaze it so hard. 🤭