The Flood (Could) Devour the 40k Galaxy - HaloHammer Part 3

[@pancreasnowork9939]

If the Flood can’t win in 40K, then why do I like Halo more?

[@SolarMonolith206]

Turning point Halo

[@ulty1472]

Thats what im saying

[@jonathanathor117]

The Sci fi setting I fanboy for is transformers but halo is definitely a close 2nd. It's a tie between halo and star trek. the 13 original primes are better than most of primarchs and primus is better than the god emperor.

[@justsomeguyontheinternet7134]

Could u maybe try a reverse like what if warhammer space marine we're in 40k instead of Spartans Or what if the tyarnids were in halo

[@skeletalobserver406]

Yes. Grave mind could make you shoot ROPE lol

[@Volvith]

The Flood: "I am 12 steps ahead of you." Humanity: "Dude, i don't even know where i'm going." The Flood: >assimilates an entire planet< The Flood: _"Goddamnit you're right. ... Why doesn't anyone around here know anything useful?!"_

[@VoicedNat]

Humans: We're are walking backwards anyway

[@kieranwhite9130]

Like a drunk toddler with a loaded hand gun

[@manofstone5974]

after infecting more and more imperials, the flood hivemind gets dumber and dumber

[@midgetydeath]

Flood: "Okay...this isn't pushing our heirs to advance. What the fuck is wrong? What do I do? Who do I make suffer for this fuck up in my plans and my inheritors?" Everyone in the galaxy: "The Eldar did it!"

[@Iluvantir]

Fair point, but misses the mark. Yes, the Flood gets no direct knowledge of the tech from "The Dark Age" of Humanity, however it does get human intelligence, the same intelligence that once created such Dark Age tech... the more humans, especially if it managed to land on Mars and go chomp chomp on everything and everyone one there, means that it could then just... you know, do the SANE thing and read the instruction books. Backwards Engineer the whole shebang. Use its now innate human intelligence to re-do and re-understand all that humanity had formally created. That... is terrifying. "Oh but things went wrong for humanity due to their supreme level of tech"... outdone by the presence of a Time-Space-Wibbly-Wobbly Gravemind/Keymind FUBARing the Warp... good lord, the Flood would likely work out how to pacify the Warp itself. "It feeds on emotions... cool. Vulcan-Mode Activated..." Warp goes still as a lake around the area the Grave/Keymind is in. This is a fundamentally different power from a uniquely different story-universe, and whenever someone does a cross-over between two fundamentally different universes like this, ALL that is true from BOTH universes is EQUALLY true in the "Cross-Over" one. Ergo: you have a literal god being, offspring of creatures that used galaxies as marbles, stepping in to... warhammer 40k baby-toddler playground. No contest. And I'm not even a fan of Halo nor WH40K. I'm a Tolkien fanboy, and I can see this as being a shitstorm for any and all in Warhammer.

[@CyrodiilCome]

The flood take over a forgeworld and quickly learned that no one on the planet knows how their technology works.

[@DoctorM42]

Humanity's willful ignorance would be its greatest weapon.

[@red244]

And I'm not sure they could even infect a tech priest of any high station, they're more machine than flesh by that point.

[@RiffSilverthe1andonly]

Directed by Robert B. Wade

[@wa_________ge3254]

But they can still work it which is more immediately important

[@red244]

@@DoctorM42 I can imagine Flood spending hours covering bolters and tanks in oil because they learned from humanity that is what you need to do to make them work.

[@deepfreeze1001]

Minor correction on that part about Captain Keyes: He was constantly repeating his military identification number because of his neural implant. The number was stored on the implant and was the only thing that Keyes could remember clearly every time the Gravemind tried to wipe his brain of useless information, which is why the Gravemind gets so frustrated every time he repeats the number.

[@Furydragonstormer]

Gravemind: Tell me how to pilot this ship, and where Earth is. I know you have it somewhere in that brain! Keyes: Keyes Jacob, Captain, Service number: 01928-19912-JK Gravemind: That's not it! Keyes: Keyes Jacob, Captain, Service number: 01928-19912-JK Gravemind: *Incoherent rage* Just keep this on loop for however long it took for the gravemind to finally get fed up with Keyes

[@goryanadazaghal1206]

@@Furydragonstormer I will say, thats some fucking willpower

[@TheGhostbuster1989]

@@Furydragonstormer Just shows how much of a badass Keyes was to keep a gravemind from knowing the location of Earth.

[@mythicknz8203]

@@Furydragonstormer only for chief to finally end keyes pain and kill him preventing gravemind from ever getting the knowledge

[@idkwmytuni]

No, its code of conduct. When youre captured youre supposed to give only your name, rank and identification. From his perspective he was captured, thats why he said he wouldnt give them the location of earth

[@zero-arc3810]

Remember everyone, the Gravemind is forklift certified. Can the Tyranids say the same?

[@Th3_Sp4Ce_M0nK3y]

Well no, because that would require a certified institution to give the proper paperwork, or something, I dunno It has the knowledge to become forklift certified easily though

[@zero-arc3810]

@@Th3_Sp4Ce_M0nK3y Whose to say it doesn’t have the paperwork? We don’t know what it does for fun. It definitely has subsumed everyone necessary to give the certification, and it definitely has access to a printer.

[@carlzerris6566]

Hey we have seen what forklift certification means in earth defense force. Barga baby!

[@zazzyboy8592]

@@zero-arc3810this is not your certification… but you are welcomed to it

[@zero-arc3810]

@@zazzyboy8592 lmao

[@chipsdubbo4861]

You see, the canonical reason airborne spores didn't infect anyone in the games is because everyone you fought alongside (Arbiter, Johnson, yours truly) was simply too based to take the floodpill in such a way.

[@Crunchymunchys]

Also you can be immune to the spore based infection but it requires a certain genetic make up. Which John117, Johnson and the Arbiter all have for obvious plot reasons

[@fountainchristain]

@@Crunchymunchys well Johnson actually is explained it is because he was in the Spartan 1 program which screwed up his genetic makeup so bad the flood couldn't infection him.

[@martinnavarrete5279]

@@fountainchristain yeah that was retconed, today the cannonical reason is that yes spartan 1 project mess up his nervous system but he wasn't ignore by the flood, and he just managed to scape the flood before being infected trough injuries, of course that is because he is much stronger than the averrage marine, and the flood in the initial outbreak in installation 04 were weakend by the 100000 years waiting

[@Akbar_and_Shaa]

@@Crunchymunchys master chief isnt immune

[@toxicalyss]

Tyranids will just evolved into it consuming it as part of their genetic makeup.

[@jk844100]

In regards to the “Gravemind has perfect memory of the Forerunner-Flood war” thing. It’s because once a Gravemind is established; due to “neural physics” (I’ve love me some Science-Magic) the Gravemind gains access to the full knowledge of everything previous Grave/keyminds learned all the way back to the time it was a Precursor. Which essentially means there’s only ever been 1 Gravemind.

[@gallifreyandefense]

It is a higher dimensional being wearing a meat suit

[@JaebongBak]

​@@tgst1181intents and purposes

[@KonRoge11]

@@tgst1181Intents and purposes. I don’t hate you, I want to help. Have a nice day.

[@mythicknz8203]

@@tgst1181 reminds me of that question of that boat that was taken apart and replaced piece by piece over time and even if it is built the same is it the same ship

[@_aWiseMan]

​@@gallifreyandefenseit is a dead higher dimensional being wearing a meat suit

[@Oracios]

What if a Gravemind was formed from the minds of Orks... how would it talk? According to the Gravemind we meet in the Halo games, it speaks poetically because it has devoured the minds of billions of artists and poets of many different species. Or at least it has the inherited memories of the Flood having done so. So imagine for a moment if you will... a Gravemind with the thoughts and speech patterns of Orks! "WEZ BRUDDAZ, BRUNG DA DAKKAZ TUH DEM GITS" "DIZ CURCUL TING IZ REAAAAL BIG DAKKA, WEZ GOT'A KRUMP IT" (I'm aware of how a Gravemind's knowledge and memory really works btw, this is just an idea for the absurdity of a Gravemind talking like an Ork)

[@rokkfel4999]

That would be amazing…..landing on a Tyranids world would terrify to see that type of gravemind

[@arandomguardsmen]

@@rokkfel4999 if the flood landed with tyrannies or came into contact they would both combine with each other and not fight hive minds tend to combine with each other not fight each other

[@shikniwho7215]

@@rokkfel4999 that if Gravemind didn't got eaten by Tyranids first.

[@rokkfel4999]

@@shikniwho7215 just depend who eats who first

[@shikniwho7215]

@@rokkfel4999 or make it even worst by combine with each other and created a whole new mess.

[@wayfarerzen]

Once the flood reaches critical ass, the clapping of their cheeks can infect spacetime itself

[@USERR642]

You did not just say that.

[@Silversword42]

I think he just did

[@ProtocolAbyss]

This comment gives me the burning rage of 1000 suns

[@concept5631]

​@@ProtocolAbyss Almost the same amount of energy required to reach critical ass.

[@ProtocolAbyss]

@@concept5631 cease.

[@wrath2501]

Few points here. 1. The Flood retreated shortly after the Forerunners attacked ancient humans. The humans were loosing the war till the Flood retreated. Then they were winning against the Forerunners. The humans lost because the ancient prophets betrayed them. 2. The humans tried to warn the Forerunners about the Flood. But the Forerunners had their heads so far up their asses they just ignored humans transmissions not even bothering to hear what they were saying. 3. The Flood does not infect AI's. It can reprogram them just by speaking to them. That's how smart it is. 4. The Domain exists on a universal level not just a galactic one. It is where the Precursors minds go when their body dies. But they do need a new body eventually or their mind dissolves into the domain. 5. Humans did not JUST infect their animals with the precursor powder. They were studying it and animal testing showed the subjects to have increased intelligence and affection for humans. This is because the Precursors liked humans just before they were wiped out and their minds dissolved into the domain. Pet trials began decades later. 6. The powder was how the Precursors fought enemies. It would be dropped on a planet and the DNA in the powder would allow the Precursors to re evolve. While their enemies forgot about them or died out. But because the Forerunners shot down that ship on a dead planet, the powder had nothing to re evolve. So the precursors minds dissolved in the domain. 7. The last surviving Precursor was called the outcast. He was so insane to the Precursors that he was locked up in a cage without a key at the center of an artificial planet. Ancient humans discovered him and talked with him for five minutes. Then they shut down all communication and the ones who talked to him committed suicide. When the Precursor minds began to reconnect to human pets the outcast took over them all to create the Flood. He could do this because the minds were dissolved in the domain and they had lost their sense of self. So the Flood is not exactly THE Precursors, it is ONE precursor.

[@scourge1635]

I’m here to correct some if not all of this to allow you to grasp a better understanding :) 1. The Flood retreated to get the jump on the Forerunners for easier assimilation, false hope. And by the time the flood retreated the humans had died off because the Forerunners killed them due to them believing humans were taking their territory. They lost because the Forerunners killed them all, the Prophets were the humans allies. But yes, the Forerunners where able to break through due to the San’shayuum ultimately giving in. 2. The humans did warn them, it did go through, they knew about it. But when the flood retreated the forerunner believed there to be a cure and became so hell bent on finding it 3. No…The flood INFECTS AIs look at Cortana 4. The Domain is on a universal level yes, but the precursors DID NOT “DISSOLVE” into the domain, nor did their consciousness go there, the Domain is a info pool at this self aware, not a graveyard. 5. The Humans in fact DID feed their animals with the power because when they DID test it, they found it was fine and had beneficial properties. 6. THEY TURN INTO DUST TO HIDE FROM THE FORERUNNERS NOT TO KILL THINGS 7. The last surviving Precursor was called the “Primordial” Timeless one” “The Captive” and he transferred his consciousness into the Gravemind. The Flood is the COLLECTIVE dust of all the precursors that decided to dust themselves for later regeneration. And although the humans DID kill them selves, it was because the stories the Primordial told. The stories where so horrific they kill them selves after talking to the Precursor.

[@scottwerner279]

Now I don’t know what to believe

[@crossfire4691]

Sooooo which is correct

[@covelatedspire42]

@@crossfire4691The ladder for the most part. The Forerunner Saga is a Halo book trilogy that explains the events of the Human-Forerunner-Flood war. Highly recommend the read, they’re some of my favorite set of books.

[@BlueFury55]

Humanity lost most of their key systems to the Forerunners almost immediately, humanity only managed to hold out in a old Precursor fortress world until the San'shyuum betrayed them

[@TheDakkaman]

Flood Spore: *Lands on Catachan* Entire rest of the infinite multiverse: *Waiting in horrified awe at the outcome of this most pivotal coin-toss*

[@patches3555]

If the flood wins the entire galaxy is so overwhelmingly fucked it would be funny if it wasn't so horrifying

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@patches3555 Gork And Mork: Now is the time Ghazkhull! It’s time… for The Eternal Jiha- ughhhh… I mean krumpin to begin now! (They say, as Gork and Mork directly fights against The Flood.)

[@kabob0077]

Oh dear...

[@hekmatyar4476]

no way in hell the flood is winning even the fucking tyranids landed there and noped outta there

[@patches3555]

@@hekmatyar4476 i mean If the flood gobbles up an eldar they get that knowledge It'll make it a lot easier for them to start consuming the place

[@xJohnnyBloodx]

if Tyranids are bugs, the flood is a fungus. And cordeceps have taught me how that goes.

[@nigredoooalgown6245]

Bugs have a nervous system, the nids do not, not in the traditional sense anyway, also the nids make their own parasites.

[@byproductofcheese]

Yeah they fucked

[@voidwalkerbruh7426]

Ohhhhh

[@midgetydeath]

The Flood aren't bugs, though. They're what the Flood wishes it could be and even has freaking Space Magic.

[@____Carnage____]

@@midgetydeathThe Flood is what the Flood wishes it could be?

[@maddestlad3868]

On the subject of Star Roads, you cannot convince me that the Precursors didn't play some version of Mario Kart on them. They made rainbow road a real thing, at least a few of them must've thought it would be fun to race around on them

[@fanatic9926]

YES!

[@Xpwnxage]

Maybe the Precursors live in some of us and one of the devs on Mario Kart 64 created that map subconsciously.

[@CoolWaluigi]

I can see their huge tentacled masses just sitting hunched in a tiny ass cart with the rainbow road theme playing

[@martinnavarrete5279]

Basically those 2 infection forms in the curse halo ce mod driving a mini-warthog

[@maddestlad3868]

@@martinnavarrete5279 absolutely

[@personthing88]

Lets be real The Orks would randomly believe a colour makes them immune/super effective against the flood and pull out the victory

[@nobleman9393]

In The Infinite and The Divine, Orikan notices that Orks want to board the ship, but Necron Ships have no Atmosphere, so he asks Trazyn if the Orks have lungs and Trazyn says Yes, but it doesn't matter.

[@lennardchurch8483]

That's nonsensical, the Orks beliefs are still dependent on basic logic filtered through their low intelligence. They don't, and can't just decide to believe something absurd. And the Precursors of Halo's lore would ensure that the Flood were Alpha Pariah, which would negate the Orks psychic power in close proximity, negating the biggest advantage the Orks have over most other factions.

[@PrinceOfDolAlmroth]

@@lennardchurch8483 The orcs unironically drive vehicles with the control schemes PAINTED ON THEM. They believe absurd shit all the time. Thing is, the only thing that would ever be close to stopping the flood in this case would be Krorks, but they don't exist anymore. I doubt the C'tan would even be able to scratch the flood if they reached critical mass, even if they were at their war in heaven strength.

[@elmine7707]

Flood is green, an everybody knows what dat means

[@FarremShamist]

@@lennardchurch8483 They'd probably have their pain boyz make a cure for it, and because ork logic dictates, they'd probably have one. Though the problem is that it might not be TOO distributable.

[@howdigethere7843]

You think the flood can harness the power of orkish belief if they obsorb the minds of enough Orks?

[@martinnavarrete5279]

I think the flood being able in their terms to literally comunicate with the universe would understand that law by its own, and using it if a gravemind is form

[@crossovanon3401]

Oh God, The absolute horrors that would be made

[@ulty1472]

Oh no

[@jonathanathor117]

@@crossovanon3401 orange make you invincible because red plus yellow equals orange. Orange= Red + Yellow therefore invincible.

[@hermeister3870]

Given that the gravemind doesnt need a physical medium to persist and comes back at the next flood outbreak and also they can fuck with neural physics....yeah...actually probable

[@MrBigmick5]

A flood spore shows up, Trazyn puts it in stasis. It's the only one, he wants it.

[@rhyderleming5851]

Nuh uh, he’s gonna put it in an animal to see what it does, if somehow it manages to leave, galaxy dies

[@seekingabsolution1907]

"This spore looks like it could destroy a species, better keep it in stasis so I can keep collecting artifacts from species"

[@arijitbardhan4793]

No use studying it, as the forerunners themselves were not unable to find a cure for it, Even though they studied it for sooo long even in Hyperbolic time chambers.

[@def3ndr887]

@@arijitbardhan4793 Necrons will study it, take a nap for a few hundred millennia, study it again rinse and repeat.

[@inconspicuouscupofblood7730]

"Hm? Oh that, my space herpies, yes, trivial grab it was"

[@zahylon5993]

One thing to not underestimate is how fast can the Flood snowball into a Gravemind. In CE the proto-gravemind was made with only the crew of a covenant cruiser and the Pillar of Autum's surviving officials. And by that point the flood already knew how to use both Covenant and UNSC weapons. By late game they had pushed the Covenant fleet into the deffensive as they were struggling to eradicate the flood outbreak amongst their warships. Imperium, Tau, Craftworlds, Votann, Exodites, Orks...landing around them when they don't know how the flood work is only going to give the Flood an upper hand. Worst case scenario is they come in contact with Dark Eldar because these fools are going to try snorking Flood spores for fun and cause all of Comorragh to get devoured, with Flood now launching attacks to every race at once. This leads to a potentially fun endgame scenario, where even Chaos realizes the entire galaxy will be wiped out if they don't counter the flood, so everyone drops the war agasinst other factions with every faction focusing on dealing with the flood.

[@Never_heart]

Imagine if the Dark Eldar took some Flood forms back as slaves or for torture... the Flood with full access to the Wedway would be an unstoppable doom for all of 40k

[@zahylon5993]

@@Never_heart : 100% they are taking back floods to use them as toys. They won't realize the danger of the spores. So they will just give the flood a pretty good raider fleet and access to the Webway. Dark Eldar x Flood is the worst scenario, the Flood will immediatly gain intel on the best riding places and spread super fast across the galaxy.

[@Never_heart]

@@zahylon5993 Then they find an Orc world to farm for infinite biomass and everything drowns. Once again the Flood will devour a galaxy of flesh and minds and bones

[@thewerdna]

Honestly the only real hope would be do the Necrons recognize the flood threat early enough and deal with it. Since as the people on the Forerunner tech level, they could deal with the flood in the early to mid stages.

[@BlueFury55]

@@thewerdna not in there current state, would have to be WiH Necrons

[@Shyraton12]

I think the irony of this situation is that a fulll scale flood invasion could result in the daemon's of chaos being forced to become the *good guys* in order to stamp it out before it the grave/key mind becomes powerful enough to threaten them in their own domain. I could at leaast see tzeentch taking one look at this brewing shit storm and going "Hell no"

[@casematecardinal]

I think it would be interesting to hear a conversation between the two similar to how the emperor would speak to the chaos gods but of course tzeentch being absolutely terrified of the God that can exist in realspace

[@thriffty3730]

not the "good guys" just the lesser of two evils in my opinion

[@OGXenos]

You're forgetting that demons do not give any biomass and simply reform in the warp when killed. So the Flood are fighting a losing battle where they can't replenish their numbers and can't permakill any of their enemy.

[@alexanderballa6152]

@@thriffty3730 witch is fucking something when evil hell demons are lesser evils

[@Neteruk]

demons are biological, so the warp would also be infected.

[@maddogbasil]

I'm sitting here waiting to absolutely lose my mind as a 40k supremacist

[@KaiserAfini]

But are you allowed to lose your mind, does your mind belong to you ? No, says the lord inquisitor, it belongs to the Emperor No, says the tech priest, it belongs to the Omnissiah No, says the space marine, it belongs to the battle brother who ate it I too was faced with that oppression, but I choose different, I chose.....The Greater Good !

[@seekingabsolution1907]

@@KaiserAfini your comparison between the Tau and Ayn Rand is as disgusting as it is refreshing to not have them be inaccurately described as communist.

[@alterego9082]

@@seekingabsolution1907 Ayn Rand is as far from Tau mentality as it gets, the only ones further away are imperial zealots

[@shocknm7746]

@@seekingabsolution1907 yeah the sweat gobos would be more accurate

[@meager992]

I'm sitting here waiting to watch you absolutely lose your mind as a 40k supremacist

[@jacobdarling1524]

I'm convinced that throwing the Nids at the Flood would just end up giving the Flood a bunch of terrifying new combat forms to come back at you with.

[@spaceangelmewtwo9074]

I'm not even convinced that the Flood and the Nids would even fight each other, at least not after first contact. Their goals basically align, so one might simply willingly be assimilated by the other. Most likely the Tyranid hivemind in this case since the Flood are just far more persuasive. This would grant this new Flood/Tyranid hybrid faction the best of both worlds in terms of abilities.

[@aloafoftoast7160]

Oh Christ almighty that’s horrifying to think of… oh could you imagine a flood Genestealer cult? That’d be horrifying

[@commandoepsilon4664]

I think any scenario that could result from that would be bad. Flood morphed Nids, Bad. Tyranids with flood spores and flood assimilation abilities, also bad. Flood and Nids actively working together to consume all life and flawlessly integrating both hives strengths into one super Tyrana-flood hive, really bad. Should probably just make sure they never encounter each other...

[@sentane8031]

until the nids develop some stupid ass plot armour immunity like with the fuck off amount of poisons and viruses (and viral poisons) that have been thrown at them.

[@martinnavarrete5279]

​@@sentane8031i mean that would not make sense since the flood are able to infect any form of life by analizing its DNA to mutate in order to infect it

[@jackstefan8639]

Time for the gravemind to make a monument to all the emperor’s sins.

[@KommandoLando]

TWO CORPSES IN ONE GRAVE

[@jackstefan8639]

@@KommandoLando YES JOIN MY TIMELESS CHORUS AND SING VICTORY EVERLASTING.

[@squishyhunter1744]

Gravemind to Rowboat Girlyman: CHILD OF MY ENEMY, WHY HAVE YOU COME? I OFFER NO FORGIVENESS FOR FATHER'S SINS, PASSED TO HIS SONS.

[@vinniesmith4343]

@@squishyhunter1744 damn that's great

[@HailNeatoBurrito]

NOW THE GATE HAS BEEN UNLATCHED HEADSTONES PUSHED ASIDE CORPSES SHIFT AND OFFER ROOM A FATE YOU MUST ABIDE

[@jahredharrison4069]

The Flood really shows off how the Tyranids _could_ be a significantly greater threat in the 40k universe, except instead of acting like a real superintelligent hive mind like the Flood that can talk to people and utilize technology they're more like a cat with 1000000000TB of battle strategy just kinda plugged into the back. They know how to iterate on their form in a million different ways and outflank you until forever but they're never gonna figure out how to work a microwave.

[@darkbladenexas]

It's not that they can't use tech, they just have no reason to, why cart metal weapons around when you can literally grow them from biomass, why talk to your food when you can just eat it and learn everything it knows.

[@_hector__]

Why learn how to use nuclear bombs or ships when they ARE the bombs and ships

[@rey6708]

@@darkbladenexas reason? if they learned how to use tech they would have won already but they are unable to do so.

[@darkbladenexas]

@Rey their biology fills the role instead. Armour? Carapace as hard as steel. guns? They launch flesh eating projectiles, acid ect. Space travel? They have bioforms drifting through space. They don't NEED tech.

[@Слышьты-ф4ю]

​@@darkbladenexas kinda, if they realised how to do elements transformation, they'd be able to slowly eat the planets whole instead of only atmosphere and oceans

[@gabrielavila4833]

The scariest part of the flood is the fact that they had the intelligence to pull away and let the human forerunner war take place only to return in a few millennia after the war has taken its toll and the Forerunners started its disarmament program

[@Kdubz_Auto_HVAC]

To be fair it was because they were getting their ass beat

[@BLOrtega]

@@Kdubz_Auto_HVAC Not really, the Flood were completely stomping humanity to the point that they were forced to start running towards Forerunner controlled space. Then once the Forerunner-Human war went into full-swing they just bailed and then pulled a 180 to prank the Forerunners

[@theonewhouploadsnothing1704]

@@BLOrtega I mean supposedly the past humans actually found a proper way to combat the flood but the forerunners then attacked the humans. In spite of being blindsided by the forerunners, (they love that tactic huh? I wonder how they defend against it?) the humans took the new strategy to the grave with them.

[@BLOrtega]

@@theonewhouploadsnothing1704 They did indeed, but it was at the cost of sending 1/3 genetically fucked humans to screw with the Flood. The Humans were doing a good job -- but not enough for it to be actually relevant. The only good way to combat the Flood in the interstellar stage is to start blowing up planets and stars

[@slimehound1934]

@@theonewhouploadsnothing1704 the humans didn’t find a way to combat the flood, this was a myth that the Forerunners thought was true. The Forerunners scanned human remains to find this “cure” and found nothing, but were still convinced there was a cure. I think they were also annoyed that humans wouldn’t share the nonexistent cure, which further perpetuated their view that humans were knobs. They were knobs, but so were the Forerunners.

[@ValentineElCarbona]

Flood when it see the Tyranids: "I like ya, and I want'cha. Now we can do this the easy way, or we can do this the hard way, the choice is yours".

[@Ripa-Moramee]

Jesus christ the boondocks was such a great show

[@DakotaCoughlin]

Hard way it is

[@RyanEX2000]

Meanwhile...The Nids "Hmm...perhaps a bit of salad on the side to help the digestion."

[@w4vypl4yzz35]

⁠to be fair a gravemind is a primordial being in a higher dimensional plane. When a gravemind is born it inherits all knowledge of every gravemind that exsited as it is one being. Not to mention it was the last precursor, a primordial being that existed before all life and has space magic. We won’t get into the insane things it could do if it wanted to. It absolutely demolished the forunners who had tech and bioweapons no ones ever seen. It even corrupted. Forunner AI and gained its knowledge. It could go either way it depends on how and where the first flood spore would land.

[@azikhan1707]

​@@RyanEX2000flood space-time powers go. Now you're trapped let me get that ass

[@Never_heart]

Orcs would ensure the Floods victory, especially once a Gravemind appears. A Gravemind would quickly realize that they could farm Orc spores for infinite biomass, assuming a Gravemind has the time to appear. And for those not familiar with Halo the UNSC protocol for a Spartan getting infected is the super nuke the planet because of the immense combat skill and knowledge they have. If a Space Marine gets infected they would have to due the same

[@DoctorM42]

Except when WAAAGH! energy goes into supercharge whack shit happens to reality. In Ocnatius war one one planet there were so many Orks their WAAAGH! overwhelmed Tyranids, Okr mycelium started infesting Tyranid spawning pools and they started spawning Squigs instead of Gaunts... Remember than Orks are currently as weak as they are because they don't have sufficient challenge. As their enemies get more dangerous, Orks get more dangerous themselves, eventually reaching Krork levels of overpowerness with gravitic hypertech, genius-level generals and reality itself bending to the will of WAAAAGH!.

[@Never_heart]

@@DoctorM42 way to know all realities are going to be destroyed. The Flood becomes to Ork like from the weird ork reality shenanigans and begins channeling Wwwwaaaaaaggggghhhhhhh!!!!!! power

[@nyalan8385]

Due to the sheer scale of 40k I think a gravemind could appear in like, a week lol

[@DoctorM42]

@@Never_heart Orks are Old Ones biological superweapon and their DNA defies anlysis. Tyranids absorbed Orks and couldn't bioengineer anything better and Biovoers out of it, because even Norn Queens couldn't comprehend how Ork genetics works.

[@Nick-st4hb]

@@nyalan8385 in Halo wars 2 they spawned a proto gravemind in less than a week, considering how stupidly overpopulated the imperium is, the gravemind would pop up in a day easy

[@HenriqueLSilva]

Moral of the story: the flood are kinda like the slivers in magic the gathering: relatively easy to wipe out at first, but the moment they get it going, you loose.

[@orrorsaness5942]

Indeed. The only beings who actually pose a threat to flood domination if the flood get it going is the Orks, and even then, that’s only because they have Gork and Mork on their side. Gork and Mork are in a whole different league from Chaos, being the most powerful gods in the 40K setting.

[@robo-suport_czrobofactory3116]

@@orrorsaness5942 yes Gork and Mork are the most powerful beings in the warp but thats because there are so many MANY orks believing in Gork and Mork, and because Gork and Mork are too busy beating the shit out of each other... yeah not much of a help against anything not even the flood, and as the hive mind would slowly or quickly wipe out the orks then Gork and Mork would loose power until they would be no more as all other chaos gods would, as every god would... to my knowledge at least still pretty new to 40k and know even less about the flood then i do about 40k, feel free to correct me i guess.

[@Gabdube]

Flood cells are canonically near-indestructible though. At a cellular level, which is the actual "true" form of the Flood anyway, they're impervious to vacuum, ionizing radiation, and any/all chemical reactions. Oh, and apparently they don't suffer from entropy, so even _the passage of time_ doesn't affect them. The only effective way to actually destroy Flood cells is _supposedly_ to burn them with plasma-level heat (like, glassing the planet's crust); _but_ even that hasn't actually been confirmed to truly work AFAIK.

[@johnanderson3559]

@@Gabdube tyranids vs flood is gonna be interesting

[@Gabdube]

@@johnanderson3559 not really. Tyranids can't compete unfortunately; they can't easily evolve thermal weapons because biomechanical stuff tends to not tolerate plasma temperatures very well, and their biology is physically bound by mundane physics (albeat fantasy physics). Flood cells ignore most of mundane physics, aside from basically the equivalent of chucking them into a neutron star. They're *technically* biomass, but they are transdimensional (a bit like warp demons), so Tyranids certainly can't digest them. Maybe psykers would work; so that's probably their only offensive option then. And the Tyranid's ability to harness their foe's abilities requires them to first consume the DNA of the relevant creatures... which can't be done with Flood. If Flood touches you, you _become_ Flood too (unless the gravemind wants to actively spare you for whatever reason). Because the way Flood works is their individual cells convert any remotely-biological cells into deciding that they too have always been Flood cells all along. If it has genes and it touches Flood, it becomes Flood. This is not even a chemical process, it's described as a metaphysical change in the nature of the victim cells' physical existence. And it even works on dead cells; no life required. So, while Tyranids can certainly break apart complex Flood forms into their constituent cells... they still can't effectively deal with the spores and individual cells.

[@johnsmith-ol7mf]

Flood Vs Tyranids would be the most interesting face off imo just for the fact the psychic cross contamination of Hive minds would make for an insane battle of each one fighting for control of the others biomass on a completely different realm of existence.

[@martinnavarrete5279]

The thing is that we dont know how neither of the work properly, both adathp extremly fast, how fast specifically, the forerunners gave up on trying to use chemical weapons againste flood, and tyranids are known to create inmunity to imperial toxins in matter of days

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Tyranids stomp this matchup hard. The Flood face a logistical nightmare under the most optimistic conditions. The Tyranids have absolute control over the Flood's deployments, and can rock paper scissors their morph order once they learn what's going on. Tyanids can also combat the generation of the Flood biosphere on the molecular level in a way only maybe the Orkz could match. All of this is before mentioning that the Tyranids can produce infestation-proof morphs. The Flood already struggle infesting Hunters since they are decentralized masses of independent creatures. Already, the Flood are going to struggle infesting a, say, Biovore, which is explicitly two organisms working in tandem, much of their ammo is itself live ammunition that may fight being fired out of a non-tyranid lifeform. The Tyranids can start producing more morphs with decentralized nervous systems, nervous systems incompatible with flood infestation, or, scrap that idea and just make morphs that explode into acid or fire when the morph experiences sufficient spinal or cerebral trauma. The Flood, AT BEST, are stuck relying on pure strain morphs, which comes directly out of the biomass they need to form Gravemind structures and nodes. Their transport chain of biomass to processing points breaks down entirely, and the Flood have to use morphs to manually transport uninfestable biomass after battles, while the Tyranids are perfectly free to reduce the Flood to acidic soup to take home as they please. Tyranids are just better suited to this kind of warfare, Flood NEED to leverage bodies and salvaged technology to win fights, the Tyranids not only provide niether, but can actively disrupt the Flood on logistical levels.

[@MercurySTR]

@A Prinny On Break if the flood reach keymind phase of evolution nothing but the emperor or chaos would stand a chance at that stage flood can infect AI and machines so necrons would be taken aswell

[@spiffygonzales5160]

Flood wins EASILY

[@benjyyx]

Flood wins without a doubt. Whatever nids fanboys say, flood can't be stopped anymore after a certain point of evolution.

[@elifernandez331]

I’m laughing at the race that was beginning to explore space and just got their server unplugged

[@VeeTOHFan]

Imagine buying a new multiplayer game all of your friends are playing, and then suddenly every server shuts down permanently

[@SpaceBattleshipYamato-ps2jc]

They really got Looney Toons-d like that huh?

[@ryancronwell6368]

The Tau are actually one of the better suited factions to take on an early flood infection, since most of their weapons are designed to fight orks they could more easily destroy the biomass that the flood needs and infects.

[@spiffyscorp3519]

I think the necrons would do better

[@darkbladenexas]

@@spiffyscorp3519 Which is exactly why tyranids avoid tomb worlds. No biomass to gain, and necron weaponry destroys the biomass they already have, so even if the nids win, they only suffer losses

[@MellennialCome-up]

@@spiffyscorp3519the flood has the A.I plagued logic aka space magic fuckery to control A.i and machine organism 😅

[@generizze6243]

​@@darkbladenexasbut the flood can also infects machines lol

[@orionriftclan2727]

@@generizze6243 ahhh the good old logic plauge, which fun fact can infect organics, so not even the choas gods and the emperor himself are safe from the Eldritch abomination that is the Flood

[@alexmalburg1421]

You know the Imperium's fundamental lack of understanding of their own technology might actually be an asset in the scenario.

[@Ichthyodactyl]

Either that... or... The flood just joins the church of the Omnissiah because that's how everyone thinks machines work.

[@UGNAvalon]

@Alex Malburg Considering how the Gravemind could figure out how to upgrade Covenant technology _(heck, even humans could, despite being centuries behind)_ despite their _Own_ limited understanding of their technology, I wouldn’t bet on it….

[@j.f.fisher5318]

Once you have enough perspectives on what's going on in a black box, figuring out the contents should be easy for that level of superintelligence.

[@delta2372]

Or you know the imperium just being incompetent in general and every institution within the imperium from the adept mechanics to the administratum don't give two shots about the empire they are a part of and activity work against it's interest and weaken it would be a better asset. Actually just apply the incompetent part to all 40k factions l, seriously how the hell has the imperium, eldar and tau even survived this long without plot armor so thick that it puts star wars to shame.

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@delta2372 The awnser according to 40K lore, is that the faction of Chaos is torturing the galaxy, keeping the galaxy alive for their own amusement.

[@boomerack6074]

And don’t forget, once the Flood gets to a critical mass, they can start warping reality to spontaneously generate biomass. That plus their knowledge of Precursor tech, the Gravemind in Halo 3 canonically upgrading High Charity’s Slipspace drive to get it to the Ark, the Flood can make the tech of the species they assimilate better.

[@Vaprous]

Yeah this is probably the most important thing to note: the true horror of the Flood isn't that they are an nigh unstoppable tide of biological contagion that tries to devour all life in the galaxy, its that, once they've reached the keymind stage, they are capable of *choosing* not to be. Because the flood, fundamentally, aren't mindless monsters. They are a race of intelligent beings on a roaring rampage of revenge against all creation for the betrayal they suffered at the hands of their creations. They are capable of making truces, alliances, and being a technological, even potentially civil, species.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

Except Ork tech which the Flood are too smart to use properly

[@boomerack6074]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 or so smart they can warp reality to make them work. At least at Keymind stage.

[@zahylon5993]

@@aprinnyonbreak1290 : Imagine, the Keymind, with a 9000 IQ, holding an ork gun and wondering why when held by an ork, it can fire, but when he holds it, is a piece of scrap.

[@aprinnyonbreak1290]

@@zahylon5993 Gravemind probing its minds for answers "Ork. Why does your... gun, not work?" "Well... akkurdin' ta 'dis 'ere part uv da manuwel... 'cuz yer a git" "I'm a... git?" "Yup, makes sense akshully, I'm ashamed I didn't fink uv it" "That... makes no sense." "Zog, ya must be pretty stoopid den, ya git" "The minds of trillions are at my disposal, my intelligence is not a factor" "Da minds of trillions of gits, it sounds like. Why are you arguin' wif me if I'm part uv ya anewayz?" "Uh..." With that, the Gravemind threw up a mass of green biomass, and had some nearby combat forms blast it with plasma until it was no more. It then realized with horror that it had been commanding some spikes be formed on its spacecraft, and several combat forms were painting eachother red

[@BelligerentPenguin]

I imagine if the Flood did come to 40k, the Necrons would be the LAST holdout of the galaxy. The laughter of the thirsting gods would be stifled as their mirth turns to choking. The Emperor's light would fade. The Tyranids' shadow on the warp would be overtaken by greater darkness. The Eldar would finally die. The orks would have fun, but eventually succumb to a war of attrition. The life would be snuffed out of the galaxy and then the eye of the Gravemind would fall to the beings of living metal. One last raging against the dying of the light, but unless a Phaeron or Cryptek did what Master Chief did, it would be hopeless. And even if they did rebuild/activate the Halo rings, even then it might be too late. Would be a hell of a story, though.

[@orionriftclan2727]

The thing is, the Necrons wouldn't be safe from infection, while it might be slower, the Flood could infect mechanical beings, now if the flood had taken over the rest of the galaxy it's already over for the Necrons as the flood could just decide that killing them outright is better than infecting

[@concept5631]

Making a/The Chaos Gods choke to death is one of the most terrifying things I've ever heard of in fiction.

[@EE-dj7et]

Honestly, I think the necrons wouldn't even wait for the Imperium to fall completely, once they see that it's a losing battle, they're going to activete their funny supernova weapons and wipe out the galaxy on an "If I can't have it, noone can" basis

[@lanewaldrop3367]

Reminder that Necrons have a device that can turn off the galaxy. Additionally they need organics to be alive, as much as they hate them so they would definitely use it before the last of the organics die.

[@kiala2764]

flood get stomped out

[@physical_insanity]

Important to note is that the Flood isn't limited to just one Gravemind and Keymind. As their mass increases, so does the number of Graveminds and Keyminds, each of which can act independently but are still operate in tandem. The worst thing about it is that the Flood's intelligence and computing power increases exponentially, to levels that are likely unfathomable to human comprehension. It's kind of impressive, though, because at the point that Mendicant Bias switched sides, he'd been interrogating multiple different Keyminds and Graveminds, all while still directing the Forerunner war effort and controlling key systems, so if the Flood can hijack something as stupidly powerful as Mendicant Bias, then nothing is out of their reach once they reach critical mass.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

Except Offensive Bias. They remained free of the logic plague till the end of the war.

[@lawrencebenz1313]

@@seekingabsolution1907 He never spoke to the Flood, he knew what happened to Mendicant and stuck solely to combat command and organizing what was left of the Ecumene.

[@Vegito_Fanpage]

​@@seekingabsolution1907 His strategy to prevent it's infection was to literally make it impossible for itself to interact with the flood in any capacity, and limit it's functions to just the organisation of Forerunner fleets and the protection of the remaining survivors of the Ecumene.

[@theShantai]

Not true, there is always 1 Gravemind

[@orionriftclan2727]

@@theShantai well, there is only one flood, but there can be many graveminds and keyminds which are basically the speakers and hubs for the flood

[@C.D.G.1]

I would love to see a fanfic on the flood invading the 40k universe. It would both entertaining and depressing. A true warhammer story.

[@thehermitman822]

Sounds good as a final solution by the Old Gods.

[@connormcgehee9349]

As a base let's say they have a planet: near the orks the flood eats everything. Near daemon stuff or necrons at such a low level they get blasted to death. Near tyranids the flood eats everything. Near humans or Eldar the flood fucks off to find orks or tyranids then everything else

[@benjyyx]

@@connormcgehee9349 Why would they go mess with the nids and orks and not humans/eldar? Humans and eldar are 1000x easier for the flood to exterminate than nids or orks lmao

[@connormcgehee9349]

@@benjyyx it's not about the fact that it's easier for them to kill. It's about the fact that orks and nids both would be amazing sources of biomass. The tau daemons and necrons don't give much at all and for every space marine or Eldar they take they get about 1 orks worth of biomass. They would want to grow first.

[@benjyyx]

@@connormcgehee9349 But they would also have more difficulties against nids and orks. The flood is not known to be strong from the get-go. It grows. I believe the flood would rather start with the easier factions.

[@PitterPatter20]

I wonder how Nurgle would take The Flood arriving in 40k without him making it. I wonder if he would try to hijack it, or create his own version, or maybe even try to eliminate it as a rival.

[@orrorsaness5942]

Temporary Alliance, and then warn the Imperium against it, as the flood laughs as the flood believes that the imperium would react to Nurgle just like precursors (I mean Forerunners) reacted to Ancient Humanity!

[@sancturillore]

@@orrorsaness5942 just like the Forerunners* reacted to Ancient Humanity

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@sancturillore Thanks 😊! I edited it! Thank you for helping me.

[@casematecardinal]

Considering he has a very similar outlook to the precursors he might join the flood and seeing as his presence is so mind bending he may become a prominent presence within the hivemind.

[@Vindicator_SD]

I feel like he would see it as a "suprise, to be sure, but a welcome one" where despite the fact he didn't create it, he still sees it as a wonderful new plague and try to ally with it or meld with it. Something that brings up is can an advanced flood infection infect a chaos god? Do they both have similar goals that align enough for both to work together or even fuse somehow? Both love death, spreading infection, and the notion of combining everything into one living yet not living perfect form.

[@Xilbert]

They wouldn't win because 5 space marines with plot armour would somehow manage to destroy like the whole flood.

[@lennardchurch8483]

The Imperium would celebrate their "total defeat" of the Flood, then the celebration would be interrupted when most of Holy Terra's population and the defensive fleets spontaneously turn into Flood, along with significant portions of most or all of their other fleets, due to the Imperium's inability to fully purge ships of Flood contamination, and the Flood's willingness to wait in people's blood for generations if needed to emerge on an unstoppable scale. Then the Star Roads would show up and obliterate all resistance.

[@Xilbert]

@@lennardchurch8483 Nah I'm still relying on the 4 plot armoured blood angels or ultramarines.

[@lennardchurch8483]

@@Xilbert Their heroic conclusion would still end with them transforming, and infecting whatever ship they're traveling on. Space Marine armor is low-tech compared to the Forerunners' armor, and it wasn't able to stop the Flood. The Forerunners themselves were the power equivalent of being an entire race of Primarchs, so a handful of Space Marines isn't accomplishing what they couldn't.

[@Xilbert]

@@lennardchurch8483 I said plot armour not power armour I know the flood would beat them if they were actually fighting.

[@nobleman9393]

1 Spartan managed to do it, Why wouldn't 5 Astartes be able to do the same.

[@ilosada2933]

I know that this sounds like a joke, but do you know what fictional universe can stand up against not only Warhammer 40K but Halo and any other Sci-fi universe I know of? The Kirby universe, I’m not joking, Kirby lore is one of the biggest rabbit holes I have ever entered in. In one of the games they present us a Massive Megacorporation that aggressively turns every fleshy being in a planet into robots and that has conquered multiple worlds of the galaxy and in the extended lore it is implied that they had explored Kirby’s version of the warp. (And spoilers: it is later revealed that they have repaired literally a planet-sized sentient space station that grants you wishes and has a cat face for whatever reason). Basically Tyrannids x Necrons, a deadly combo. Normally in any other franchise this would have been portrayed as a world-ending threat that takes multiple editions to lower the stakes (kinda like Clans Invasion or the Horus Heresy), yet everyone in Dreamland treats it as a mild inconvenience and everything is resolved on that single game by Kirby wackoing around in a Mech. And that is just the surface, then there’s Dark matter the “main villains” of the setting, which is quite literally Chaos x Old Ones considering that it is implied that their leader created the universe, and a mirror-dimension that creates dark copies of every living being in the universe (a Dark Imperium, a Dark Eldar, a Dark Dark Eldar and so on) and Sly cooper but as a mouse (You’ll soon notice that Kirby has humongous power creeps from game to game). I don’t know why out of any Sci-fi setting ever Kirby was the one to have the nuttiest lore out of all, but I’m all for it.

[@steelrexer1062]

You’re all laughing at the pink ball boy until he goes to Terra and swallows the Emperor to gain his power

[@evandropaschoalini5940]

@@steelrexer1062 nah Bro Kirby Just punches the planet and its gone, he dosent need the emperor

[@marcusaaronliaogo9158]

Kirby after consuming all ctan and chaos gods:

[@martinnavarrete5279]

Kirbi is peak lovecraftian horror

[@firetarrasque4667]

The best way to demonstrate how powerful the Kirby universe is would probably be to talk about the Ancients - The mysterious species responsible for creating the aforementioned clockwork stars. The Ancient were fucking cracked - Spaceships that cut through the Kirby equivalent of the Warp like it was nothing, banishing criminals outside of spacetime, producing an unknown amount of reality-warping clockwork stars, whatever the fuck the Master Crown was - It's hard to say for sure because Kirby doesn't exactly put as much focus on them as Halo did, but the Ancients were *wild.*

[@Furydragonstormer]

I can just imagine a group of guardsmen fighting the Flood, and the one asks their resident psyker to use some abilities to help them, only to hear them screaming at some unknown voice in their head, before being inevitably all consumed

[@countblackula5798]

bro thats just a completely normal 40k psyker scenario

[@Chaoslordx13]

That would also cause it to be a beacon for daemons to come flooding through... every single time this happens

[@Absolutemooreon]

The flood don't have access to the shadow in the warp also the last thing the flood would want to do is mess with the warp because daemons taking a world would mean they lose all that biomass

[@Illitha]

@@Absolutemooreon would demons count as biomass?

[@Absolutemooreon]

@@Illitha no, daemons are basically just made of warp energy. The most you could do to a daemon would be destroying it's body temporarily, you can't even kill them unless you have a weapon like the emperor's flaming sword

[@StoneSixOnes]

You casually mentioned the flood look kinda like Nurgle plague and it made me think Nurgle and the flood might just be outright compatible allies. Grandpa Nurgle might just adopt the new spore babies and be so proud when they grow up so smart. He possibly could gain power in the warp from the flood too tbh

[@orrorsaness5942]

True dis! Nurgle would become the most powerful chaos god, and win the Great Game! Nurgle then gets pompous and arrogant and then The Flood and Nurgle then goes against Gork and Mork, ast they both join the game of God Orky Crumpin with The Emperor of Mankind.

[@connormcgehee9349]

Ehh. Nurgle would happily be assimilated into the gravemind so yeah

[@guilliman1990]

Nah nurgle would out grow them an submit them to his will. If he can turn tyranids. Than flood have literally zero chance

[@CrazyDutchguys]

@@connormcgehee9349 The flood needs biomass, Nurgle and demons arent physical in the traditional sense so I actually doubt the Flood can infect deamons and especially a chaos god

[@connormcgehee9349]

@@CrazyDutchguys they can still be hit by the logic plague which should be especially effective in the warp due to funky time. Or the flood could even try and eat the souls of the daemons and gods to get more warp strength

[@kfire68]

I am glad you put the "This is not your grave, but you are welcome in it." part in there. For some odd reason, that part has stuck with me as a high point of my Halo playthroughs.

[@brandonfranketti1681]

You forgot one thing about the flood. The gravemind is able to improve upon technology. In halo 2 the Gravemind did a precise slip space jump using amber clad. The UNSC never used precise jumps. Instead their jumps would be billions of miles from their specific target. The gravemind when it infected the ship gave it the ability to do precise jumps. And teleported the ship in the heart of high charity. With this in mind imagine the flood getting access to imperium technology but with the horror that unlike the imperium they can use these weapons to their full potential. Flood gg easy.

[@christopherjones5700]

i wonder if the flood organic bio-mass integrates with the ship itself? like does the old technology get maintained or does it just deteriorate like a zombie until it eventually becomes useless, in amber clad looked pretty beat up in the games.

[@ThefifthBishopofGord]

@@christopherjones5700I would assume the reason it looked so beat up is that upgrading the ship likely need the removal and replacement and manufacturing of parts. So the flood took out unnecessarily parts or parts that were going to be changed they made new parts from those. And due to the fact flood limbs never seem to be really precise or able to lift something while holding it. I just thought since it wasn’t already possible something was remove and replaced and something was likely made by the Flood to make it possible. So unless the problem only was the coding of something somethings were likely torn out.

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@ThefifthBishopofGord Oof 😥

[@Voldrim359]

I think they would have trouble to manage to use travel through the Warp, the humans need a psyker to guide them through there and gellar shield to protect the crew. Anyway, if a psyker die, the body lose all of their power, so it's no gain for the flood

[@perrycarters3113]

@@Voldrim359 And herein is the most horrible part about the Flood: Infestation doesn't kill you. Definitively. In Halo: The Flood, Private Wallace Jenkins is infected by an injured infection pod, causing his brain to fail to shut down and making him conscious of everything, even able to occasionally act against the Protomind's directives, but always with inherent violence, even when he doesn't want to. Under Flood infection, your conscious mind is shut down, but your brain and body are still alive; the Flood simply reshapes it into something more to their liking, interrupting your brain's ability to send signals and having the infection host serve as the source of muscle control instead. The Flood infect a psyker, the psyker doesn't die, the Grave/Keymind notices the psyker's... energy? Ability? The specific nomenclature escapes me, and since they inherit all of the psyker's knowledge, they now know how to use that energy. A few dozen psyker's later and they have a pretty substantial understanding of how it works. Then they start chomping down on Eldar and Chaos and the like and their understanding grows even further. Pretty soon, the Flood's understanding of the Warp and psykers in general far eclipses that of any singular race, as they alone are aware of all the facets each race uses. And then you give this power to the Grave/Keymind itself, with its already immense abilities, and the rest of the 40K universe is in some pretty serious trouble.

[@gabrielnasc6322]

i wanna see the flood trying to eat a nurgle greater demon

[@oscarandreas1431]

Flood spor: ohh look a small snack (eats nurgling) 3 Days later Doctor: yeah looks like you ngot all hte diseases in the world including some new ones only found in YOU

[@evandropaschoalini5940]

Can the flood even get sick?

[@gabrielnasc6322]

Good question I think it is a matter of power scales cause i don't know If they can infect tyranids cause of the microorganism they have that can eat bacterias and the acidic blood and all the other shit

[@Never_heart]

It wouldn't need to, just offer it the one infection Nurgle has never made, one that can infect gods, because the Flood is that, metaphysical cancer that hates. The last act of revenge of betrayed and murdered gods who mastered the sciences of life and the mind

[@nyalan8385]

@@Never_heart very true, the flood is everything nurgle wants. Really the flood kind of curb stomps the gods. Khorne? Flood victims don't die. Slanesh? There is absolutely no pleasure in any way related to anything flood. Tzeench? More hive mind = less individuals bickering with eachother.

[@DigitalApex]

"We made an Eldritch race that is capable of consuming all biodiverse life in the galaxy that lead to creating massive superweapons that kill literally anything with a brain stem and a brain in order to defeat them resulting in a phyrric victory, oopsie whoopsie."

[@TheVoidIsCold]

Either that or you kill them before they ever become a problem. With the flood, it seems to either be destruction before they get access to a Gravemind or total anhihalation with no in between

[@Jin-1337]

Well they didn't made it specifically but helped enhance the creation

[@DigitalApex]

@@Jin-1337 Oh, I know. I hate 343's retcons, but the brief blurb I wrote seemed funnier to me.

[@olddirtymongrrel]

The creepiest thing is the Precursors are just playing a zombie apocalypse scenario as the Flood just to experience the horror and terror they bring to all existence.

[@concept5631]

Precursors need to go to therapy.

[@t.y2974]

@@concept5631 they have some real issues these days

[@concept5631]

@@t.y2974 Had issues for the last billion years.

[@hcolider2817]

@@concept5631 therapists need to go to therapy

[@concept5631]

@@hcolider2817 Da

[@JaimeBlackwater-io6vl]

Worst thing is its not just another flood. Another zombie. It's like if a zombie bit a locksmith and then the locksmith turns and every zombie on the planet now knows how to open locked doors. Every zombie knows the places people would instinctively flee to and instead of wandering would just flock directly from place to place. Ugh.

[@thewayfarer8849]

The fact that it both converses entirely in poetry, and drops this at a tense moment purely to terrify an AI of all things I found completely different causes for chills about The Flood. Of all the assimilation type of enemies, they are by far the most threatening. Please do a video on SPARTAN II's; because they need some love and I think you'll probably use them to dunk on factions in an original way

[@Never_heart]

The poetry is my favorite detail. Normally giving a voice to such an eldritch intelligence takes away from the fear. By using such a complex poetry system for it's casual conversation drives home just how incomprehensibly beyond it is from us. What humans take hours, to days to years to formulate it produces in casual conversation, even when filled with anger it pulls this off

[@jordanclark4635]

I’ve always found everything about Halo’s lore to be incredibly well done, regarding hive minds, alien religious hegemony’s, militarism, even child soldiers, a lot is done exceptionally well in universe to show the darkness and link it all together and I think it does very well

[@crusader5256]

I think Spartans II's as they are are not powerful enough to compete in 40K, but they may be upgraded by 40K level technology, especially considering their intelligence and technological skill.

[@squashiejoshie200000]

@@jordanclark4635 It does very well right up until it reaches the Flood, which is mostly the fault of Greg Bear who doesn't understand how logic or technology works. The Logic Plague especially is nowhere near the threat it appears to be. For one thing, it doesn't work if you just ignore the voice, or have a core tenet to your ideology that keeps you from betrayal. He tried to write it in the same way the WH40k chaos corruption works, except he didn't understand how that works. The big problem is chaos corruption is magic where the Logic Plague is technology. Mendicant changes sides because of pure logic. Essentially The Forerunners see the Precursors as gods, gods outrank regular people, therefore Mendicant should follow the orders of a Precursor over those of a Forerunner. The Primordial is a Precursor, mendicant should follow the orders of a Precursor over the Forerunners, therefore Mendicant should follow the orders of the Primordial and change sides. It doesn't work if the Forerunners just tell Mendicant not to talk to the Flood. It also doesn't work if they programmed Mendicant Bias to be unable to betray them. Compare that to Chaos corruption where knowing the names of the chaos gods and seeing their symbols subtly changes your mind. Where a nick from a fragment of a chaotic statue can cause a demon to manifest inside of you. The more you know about chaos, the more it knows about you, and the more you are changed to suit it. It's why Inquisitors are often so similar to the chaotic cultists they hunt down, and why so many change sides such as Inquisitor Malden in Duty Calls, who tried to use an artifact to create psykers for use against chaos. Sounds noble except his using psykers against chaos had him launch an attack on an inquisitorial base, create psykers and send them to attempt to assassinate prominent Imperial heroes (Caiphas Cain), and cause the loss of an entire convent of Adeptus Sororitas to a swarm of Tyranids, all while thinking he was doing everything to help defeat chaos. Chaotic corruption is everything that the Halo lorewriters wanted the Logic Plague to be, except they didn't really know what they were doing...

[@dark7element]

"of all the assimilation type of enemies they are by far the most threatening." The X-Parasites from Metroid: *"Ahem"*

[@KingCARROT19]

I love how quickly the flood can go from "Hey box sized popcorn!" To "Y̵͇͌́̍͋̓͋͛͝ô̴͚͎̖̬̗͈̜͍̻͐̅͐͝û̷̝̻̞̬̟͓̲͈̈́̍͒̉̓͆͆̄̓̾̚͝ ̷̹̫͚̦͔̹̭̞̤̈́͒̂̀̏̄̿̒͒́͌̃̀͝c̴̤͇͓̳͈͔͔̈́̿̿͠͝ą̸̛͚̪̱͈̩͈̈̃̽̇̾̓̍̒͘̕͘n̸̡̨̦͍̼̥̉͌͑̄͐͆̀̑͠n̷̨̯͙͒̓̋̊͑̀͠õ̴̻̅t̵̗̎̔͊̍̃̃ ̷͇͉̰̔̃̔̃̀̅̂̄̓̋̓͛s̵̯̫͖̼̫̫̳̀̓͐̐ͅt̷͉̦̝͓̣͎͎̲͍͍̅͒̈͗̂̎͂͂̋̊̃̆̕͝ǫ̶̖̥̱͇̖͍̹̣̱̠̻̘͔̎͊͝p̵̮̦̏ ̴̠̪̯̓̍̾ẗ̸̡̥̙͓̯̗̳̘̭̘͉͆̒̐́͂̂͗h̶̛̼̯͔̣̔͛̾̏͌e̸̺͉͙͔̳̠̱̮̮̹̅̈́̄̋̔̂̀̏͐̽̉̄͊͜͠ ̴̨̰̭̭̬̗̈́͌̌̀̓̍͝ͅg̶̨̧̨̺̻̖̰̤̼̞̲̯͆̋̈́͑r̵̦̒͆́̑̓͌́̚͜e̷̢̛̫͍̳̘͕̪̹͇͒͑̄̃͂̚͜ͅa̵̢̬̭̺̮͉̠͇̙͕̅̽ͅt̶̻̺̪̖̼̄̀͋̆̆͆͂̔̃̿͌͘͠ ̷͈͕̹̗̬͉͙̜̲̱̠̪̦͔͗̊͆̈́̅̚f̵̧̛̯̣̣̫͎͈̥̘̑͗̋͌͊̑é̶̹̰̓̐̀͑͘͘͠͝͠ā̷̤̤̤́̔̏͂̅̈̿̊̕͠͠s̶̨̧̢͓̠̮̺̩͎̘̯̰͚̅̍͌̉͊̈́̄̂̿͘͝t̶̥̃̃̈́̔́̈̑̑͘"

[@No-tr9mn]

"Y̵͇͌́̍͋̓͋͛͝ô̴͚͎̖̬̗͈̜͍̻͐̅͐͝û̷̝̻̞̬̟͓̲͈̈́̍͒̉̓͆͆̄̓̾̚͝ ̷̹̫͚̦͔̹̭̞̤̈́͒̂̀̏̄̿̒͒́͌̃̀͝c̴̤͇͓̳͈͔͔̈́̿̿͠͝ą̸̛͚̪̱͈̩͈̈̃̽̇̾̓̍̒͘̕͘n̸̡̨̦͍̼̥̉͌͑̄͐͆̀̑͠n̷̨̯͙͒̓̋̊͑̀͠õ̴̻̅t̵̗̎̔͊̍̃̃ ̷͇͉̰̔̃̔̃̀̅̂̄̓̋̓͛s̵̯̫͖̼̫̫̳̀̓͐̐ͅt̷͉̦̝͓̣͎͎̲͍͍̅͒̈͗̂̎͂͂̋̊̃̆̕͝ǫ̶̖̥̱͇̖͍̹̣̱̠̻̘͔̎͊͝p̵̮̦̏ ̴̠̪̯̓̍̾ẗ̸̡̥̙͓̯̗̳̘̭̘͉͆̒̐́͂̂͗h̶̛̼̯͔̣̔͛̾̏͌e̸̺͉͙͔̳̠̱̮̮̹̅̈́̄̋̔̂̀̏͐̽̉̄͊͜͠ ̴̨̰̭̭̬̗̈́͌̌̀̓̍͝ͅg̶̨̧̨̺̻̖̰̤̼̞̲̯͆̋̈́͑r̵̦̒͆́̑̓͌́̚͜e̷̢̛̫͍̳̘͕̪̹͇͒͑̄̃͂̚͜ͅa̵̢̬̭̺̮͉̠͇̙͕̅̽ͅt̶̻̺̪̖̼̄̀͋̆̆͆͂̔̃̿͌͘͠ ̷͈͕̹̗̬͉͙̜̲̱̠̪̦͔͗̊͆̈́̅̚f̵̧̛̯̣̣̫͎͈̥̘̑͗̋͌͊̑é̶̹̰̓̐̀͑͘͘͠͝͠ā̷̤̤̤́̔̏͂̅̈̿̊̕͠͠s̶̨̧̢͓̠̮̺̩͎̘̯̰͚̅̍͌̉͊̈́̄̂̿͘͝t̶̥̃̃̈́̔́̈̑̑͘"

[@Middleseed]

Wtf is this font?

[@No-tr9mn]

@@Middleseed Zalgo

[@jacobferrera1777]

​@@No-tr9mn it hurts to look at

[@user-uc4vg4rg9e]

Yes

[@crewmate3443]

Actually something you missed out on if you're wondering why the previous gravemind had knowledge of the forerunner and flood war it's because every new gravemind will have all the experiences and memories of the previous gravemind so therefore they can probably make forerunner ships and weapons in 40k

[@mcgunboat8339]

This. Everyone here is talking about Flood vs Nids, and if one can out-adapt the other, but in reality it’s much more likely that once the Flood have taken over forgeworlds and any major industrial center, they would start teching up as well. They would likely start mass-producing ships, weapons, vehicles, and all manner of stuff. They would also likely start making new forgeworlds, tooled to make better, more efficient tech. The real big-brain play the Flood would probably do would be to start making Flood-aligned AI, with the logic plague prebuilt into their minds. The Flood could then start mass-producing stuff like sentinels of all makes and models by the trillions, along with all manner of autonomous weaponry, to be commanded by the flood-born AI. The AI can be in a range of power levels, from relatively dumb to Bias-class. The Flood could just spam self-replicators and fleets of trillions of automatons. They don’t have to fight the Nid’s numbers with their own flesh, they could fight the Nids with exterminatus bombs and a wall of infinite steel. Hell, once the Flood learns about the scale of the Nid threat, they could even start building Halos of their own. Halo’s don’t have to fire omnidirectionally, so they do have a use other than “Kill everything around me”. I doubt the Graveminds would be pleased about that, because of their own biases, but if it calculates that it’s the most optimal solution, it would go for it.

[@MarioTheLiopleurodon]

Yup. When they conquered High Charity, they upgraded its engines to travel to the Ark.

[@g.williams2047]

Even then the Gravemind cannot use Precursor tech without becoming a keymind. Really you have a limited amount of time before the snowball effect makes the flood unstoppable without any sort of superweapon.

[@coops3600]

7:00 I'm pretty sure the precursors weren't going to genocide the forerunner. They just had deemed them unworthy of inheriting the mantle, doesn't mean they were going to kill them.

[@ihaveachihuahau]

We don’t know if they would, that’s the reasoning the forerunners give. That they believed the precursors would wipe them out after it, so it was “self defense”. It’s basically forerunner propaganda.

[@cannonball117]

Personally I think the Flood offer an overall improvement in living quality for the average Imperial

[@martinnavarrete5279]

At least their minds dont live in ignorace now, hahaha

[@Domenion]

I imagine that Nurgle would be one of, if not, the last remaining chaos god should the Flood take over. I can see him encouraging their spread early on but after a point he will probably fear the flood because of how fast they spread.

[@cuttlefish6839]

Yeah from halo wars 2 it took the flood less than a day to almost form a new gravemind.

[@nicho.7400]

@@cuttlefish6839 yikers

[@FatalFist]

The warp would change all the rules, there’s no way the flood could even reach a god

[@Jiji_guy]

@@FatalFist Yes, the flood can't kill any god on their own but they can kill those who believe in said gods and once the followers and worshippers die out their god is going bye bye

[@dragonfell5078]

​@@FatalFist Not in the warp, no. A god's followers? Not much power you're gonna get from dead followers.

[@arpandey698]

Flood start out "weak" but can become strong enough to steamroll all of 40k if left unchecked. It all depends on how far the infection is allowed to spread until a major faction notices.

[@DoctorM42]

Lots of powers in 40k are VERY vigilant, paranoid and trigger-happy with world-killing WMDs. Covenent only glassed Flood infestation once it's out of control. Imperium, Chaos, Necrons and Eldar would blow up planets and star systems once they realize what they're fighting against.

[@rynemcgriffin1752]

Tbf that’s a lot of parasite races similar to the Flood. It’s a similar circumstance if the Necromorphs were in the same scenario (except I think it would be worse as they could put the entire biomass of one planet into a smaller Keymind-like being….just imagine that for a second)

[@thebigenchilada678]

@@rynemcgriffin1752 well if the necromorphs were in 40k every single race would’ve been wiped out well before the timeline even reached 20k, the necromorphs are older than the galaxy and the biomasses aren’t only the combined genetic slop of human hosts who’re infected but also that of entire intelligent species that were absorbed after building markers themselves. Markers which would be present in every sentient species home planet. The reason the series is called dead space is because, there’s nothing out there anymore, just humanity and the necromorphs.

[@rynemcgriffin1752]

@@thebigenchilada678 But say if the Necromorphs got there during the current 40k universe still makes the Necromorphs scary to me. If we’re looking them from the more practical level, we have something beyond the scope of potentially even the Chaos Gods or the Tyrannids that can combine the best traits of the Reapers from Mass Effect and the Flood.

[@Hello-lf1xs]

@@thebigenchilada678 I mean, the whole markers thing isn’t all that different from Chaos - it can be contained - and Brethren Moons might not like a cyclonic torpedo

[@pyrosauria7444]

If you were to expand on this series some more, I’d love to see how the Necromorphs would do in 40k given how they act in much of a similar way to the Flood.

[@friendlysnoworb6091]

inquisitor nukes planet, game over.

[@petermitchell2560]

Marker signal: *lands on a undesignated planet* The necron tombworld that’s now woken up, from the marker’s impact : oh no. Anyway.

[@erikweltz8187]

Much like the Flood, a Necromorph successful infection in 40K depends entirely on their starting location

[@NuclearBunker25]

Well, the ultimate form of the necs is the Brother Moon. So just exterminatus the Brother Moon.

[@techpriest6962]

@@petermitchell2560 When anyone opens on Tomb... What strange architecture... **Pillar Men Theme Starts**

[@陳潔明-w6y]

It's almost funny the Flood, at its most powerful state, was a combination of the Tyranids, the Orks, and the C'tans... An all-consuming macro-organism spread via Spores that is also a corrupted reincarnation of the gods of the material cosmos... Hell, a few passages from Silentium can be mistaken as a description for the War in Heaven: >The Flood changes everything. Not just flesh. *Space itself is infected* ," the Ur-Didact continues. >"That's the power the Precursors once had ... isn't it? *They shaped and moved galaxies* ! They created us! How did we ever manage to defeat them?" >“More alarming, we cannot open slipspace portals; three of our ships have ‘echoed’ from attempted transits and *show powerful causality mutations* . Some clearly were caught between our continuum and incomplete , inefficient universes. Status of their crews and ancillas is unknown, but communication has ceased. >"I have watched nine star systems sliced to dust and glowing rubble by star roads- and they used to trace such pretty curves between our worlds." >But what I see in the abyssal night around the greater Ark is enough to freeze me through and through. Somehow, the old artifacts have been transported in such amazing density that *the galaxy beyond is barely visible* , as if viewed through a weave of shadowy bars.

[@martinnavarrete5279]

Was is even more funnyr for me is that the first form (probably) the flood took was a seemly innert dust

[@DoctorM42]

Shame it would never reach it's most powerful state in 40k, since at least three factions have powerful precogs constantly scrying future for galaxy-destroying threats and dispatching response fleets to destroy them.

[@dozergames2395]

@@DoctorM42 i guess it could happen if we went with a tyrinid like situation where they have already came over with many ships and a ton of biomass. Question would be where from tho

[@DoctorM42]

@@dozergames2395 Tyranids weren't that big of a threat that Kairos, Eldrad or Hyperion could detect them in the future as Galaxy-enders that need to be dealt NOW. Flood are.

[@陳潔明-w6y]

@@DoctorM42 Eldrad may be great a prediction. However, the issue here is that not even his people care about his words; otherwise, a few Craft Worlds would've survived... You have to account for the power that a political entity possesses, because the entities would be the one that face the threat. And all existing factions in 40K are all to disorganized among their own ranks to even do any meaningful defence...

[@zachnorton1007]

I always felt, especially after reading all the books, that the Flood were the most OP "space zombie" species. After all the only way to actually "defeat" them is to suicide everything, even then it only goes dormant and will wait millions of years if not more simply until new sentient life evolves. Would love to see a versus video of the Flood and Borg. Thought Trekkies we're bad when arguing about Star Wars, they are so much worse if anyone thinks anything can beat the Borg or Q.

[@zachnorton1007]

@tgst 1 Yeah the Outcast had a serious grudge against everyone and we don't even know how he got imprisoned. I can understand his rage boner against the Forerunners for thinking they knew better about the Mantle of Responsibility, but what did humans do and what did he say that caused them to shut down all communications and kill themselves? The Precursors had chosen humanity, why did the Outcast forsake them? The Grave and Key minds clearly still have some memories from their pre-Flood days. Why didn't they end up, not teaming up, but leaving humans alone and only target the Forerunners? It was all about revenge, right? And even at that, one of the biggest questions I have is, why/how were the Forerunners so arrogant and egotistical that they never even listened to what humans had to say? If it was just for war there really isn't an example, in universe or real history, where factions are shy about declaring war. Humans were trying to warn them about the Flood and the world's they had destroyed were already infected. They weren't invading, they were retreating and seeking refuge.

[@pj3750]

​@tgst 1 they literally have the potential to reincarnate when they run out of food

[@Слышьты-ф4ю]

Orion's arm. The moment they get FTL, they become unstoppable. Imagine democratic Borgs, who, before slowly reaching size of 1000 light years, made computers so powerful they can trick Tzeench.

[@JakeBaldwin1]

@@zachnorton1007 If the Forerunner high command knew that mankind was going to replace them then may have assumed that humanity was going to take the mantel of responsibility by force, or it was their chance to get rid of us. Also the flood may not actually have wanted to wipeout humanity initially, just use some humans to get a head start on the Forerunners.

[@zachnorton1007]

@@JakeBaldwin1 Fair enough point on why the Flood started with humanity especially after their genetic tinkering with it and pets was the catalyst and it was smack dab in the middle of human space on numerous worlds, but my only problem with that leads me to my problem with your theory as to why the Forerunners were hostile. The humans, at the time of first contact with the Forerunners, were fleeing the almost completely assimilated human space of the galaxy. The Flood was hellbent on not just wiping out the Forerunners but any and all biomass. And I know it is a little contradictory because the lore states that over the eons the library of Precursor memories and individual minds had been corrupted but it also has the key and graveminds clearly remember as well as the Outcast itself. As for the Forerunners vs Humans, I could be wrong but I thought that the Forerunners were unaware of the Precursors' judgement of the Mantle at the time of first contact with the humans. It wasn't until long after that, that they learned they were not the "chosen". Again I could be wrong about that, I am going based off of memory right now, not looking it up. I will and if I am wrong I will reply in a follow up.

[@terrykrugii5652]

What scares me the most is the idea of the flood getting their hands on a Psyker. That. That makes EVERYTHING SOOOO MUCH WORSE

[@electroeel148]

Psykers are just back alley magicians compared to the Neural Physics the Precursors were capable of, where it is literal "I think Blue is Purple, therefor it is." The Precursors don't need to tap into Mind Hell and risk having their soul eaten and their body taken over just to throw a base level fire bolt, they can fling an entire solar system much in the way a guy plays pool at the bar

[@rhyderleming5851]

Imagine the flood form takes a look a bit too deep into the warp and the gravemind decides to immediately place all psykers away from any warp influence.

[@kiala2764]

it wouldnt work with flood, they were never truly attached to the warp it will simply kill them off

[@capadociaash8003]

@@kiala2764they will be infecting things that are connected to the warp. With that connection it doesn’t matter if they weren’t originally connected.

[@xmaple1x]

Everyone : Finally the flood is gone! We wipe them out! All the sacrifices we made is worth it! Trazyn : *Whistling away while finishing his collection of the Flood*

[@kabob0077]

Trazyn better hope he doesn't pull a 2401 Penitent Tangent...

[@physical_insanity]

That Trazynnigger, hitting that yoinky sploinky yet, again.

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@kabob0077 Indeed!

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@kabob0077 Honestly, I wanna see the flood in 40K, cause the big bad trope is overdone these days. In 40K, the flood will allow anyone to ally with anyone even the flood. I want the No Antagonist trope to be put in 40K, where there is no big bad. Just carnage and the laughter of thirsting gods.

[@lysander3262]

You just know he would collect Halo Monitors like little familiars.

[@waltuhgaming6523]

Can't wait for the next video in the halohammer series, "the UNSC could exist in the 40k galaxy for an unspecified period of time"

[@thebigenchilada678]

They’d get absorbed into the imperium and used for their relatively genius levels of tactical know-how, concepts like maintaining distance with superior firepower, not rushing into combat with a shovel, strategies like that.

[@dozergames2395]

@@thebigenchilada678 they'd be considered tactical geniuses That or heretical Both possibly

[@NexusGaming857]

The moment anyone in the Imperium recognizes UNSC Earth as Ancient Terra, you bet your ass the Imperium would be interested. If not outright absorbed, then definitely turned into a protectorate of sorts. Being turned into a protectorate would definitely be 'best case scenario'.

[@HolyknightVader999]

@@dozergames2395 Aside from the AI, most of UNSC tech falls within the Imperium's standards. Mostly their guns.

[@dozergames2395]

@@HolyknightVader999 i know I'm mostly joking. The imperium is inefficient not retarded

[@Jaeger_Bishop]

I love how this guy just completely owns his fanboyness (if it wasn't a word before, it is now) and wares it proudly as the badge of honor and cringe that it is. Bravo.

[@CBRN-115]

This is why I like watching his videos. His commentary is funny and witty

[@UGNAvalon]

@Flare Most 40k lore videos nowadays are just presenting the same old lore in fun packages. If Halo can be sustained in a similar way (ie with witty commentary), then so be it; more new viewers join the Halo community.

[@UGNAvalon]

@Flare You say that as if 40k fans weren't equally tired of price-gouging, content bans, and ultramarine/primaris Gary Stues that have been dominating the 40k-verse in recent years. :P In fact, with the number of fans refusing to give GW any more money as protest (& therefore focusing just on the old lore), I'd say 40k is just as dead a franchise as Halo; it just has more lore in its archives to keep its fans entertained thru sheer momentum/inertia alone. :P

[@gael.7593]

@Flare What the fuck do you mean unnecessary? Unnecessary to what?

[@UGNAvalon]

​@Flare "You are entitled to your false opinion." "Everything i say is a fact because you have zero evidence." - Geez, tell me you're blindly biased without telling me you're blindly biased. 🙄 Besides, i never denied that Halo was a dead franchise, just that ppl could still enjoy the lore in spite of that. Just like how dozens of channels are still making LOTR lore videos despite the source literature being "dead" for literal decades, and interest only coming to the general populace with the release of the Peter Jackson films. 😛 And i already gave you plenty of reasons why ppl are abandoning the 40k IP (or at least, the tabletop aspect of it): price-gouging, banning independent content creation, killing TTS, giving Ultramarines & Primaris & Caul excessive spotlight & plot armor, etc. That doesn't discount the older lore, just means that ppl are abandoning "modern" 40k. 😛 But I'm glad that you mentioned Darktide & Space Marine 2; those are worthy contributors to the 40k franchise, and reviving fans' faith in the IP (if not their faith in the corporation in charge of that IP). In my pessimism, I'd forgotten that those existed, and thought that there were no new positive contributions to the franchise.

[@timesweeper9778]

I've played Halo since I was able to hold a controller, I'm talking the OG Xbox controller too. I've fought and defeated The Flood and Silenced Truth. Never in my wildest nightmares did I ever imagine that the word "Floodussy" would penetrate my ear drums. Yet here we are

[@souldarktemplar]

Intriguing.

[@swamproman2007]

Nor was I expecting "Precussy".

[@ismeal231]

This is a similar set of situations I see if the 40k universe had an outbreak of necromorphs. Unless you wipe them out really early, they become an absolute nightmare to deal with.

[@mongoliandeathworm2994]

Trazyn has a marker in his Vault and throws it in the Webaway for lulz

[@cheese_man5105]

I mean the Marker was specifically designed to cull species before they could become true spacefaring civilization by luring them in with a potential energy source, and in the 40k where everyone is already spacefaring that’s not really gonna work.

[@DaSquareful]

Brother Moons are incredibly powerful against civilizations with their psychic attacks and gene modifying but they dont have a lot of defence against a spacefaring military. Once a brother moon loses enough biomass it collapses. The spread of the markers it sends out would be a big threat to worlds along the edges of the galaxy as it evolves and undermines the local lifeforms

[@KT-pv3kl]

Another nightmare in a galaxy of nightmares is a comparatively minor issue.

[@comradestarbucks2726]

It’s all fun and games until the moon made of corpses joins in.

[@Potemking]

My rebuttal to the flood victory. They consume everything but the necrons. Then they go “Skill issue” and hit the funny button that makes every star that isn’t within their radius go supernova.

[@whosthere8658]

They can infect artificial minds as well. Look at halo 2 gravemind cutscene. Not even the necrons are safe from the floods assimilation.

[@Eithunna]

The flayed ones are up for debate. They will get mad if you take their flesh pelt.

[@truck-kunsenpai1739]

Yeah but then they would just shoot them so it evens out

[@Potemking]

@@whosthere8658 That’s not what I was saying. My point was. If the necrons clearly saw the flood giving the rest of the galaxy a new one, they’d do it before it got to them. And if they were truly worried the flood would take them too, they’d probably blow up their own stars. I’d argue they’d release the C’tan shards to have them help fight, if not bring their gods back to full size.

[@martinnavarrete5279]

@@Eithunna maybe the graveminf wil convince them with giving them infinite flesh to "eat" :D (since almost every thing would eat just drops in the ground to be repurpose by the flood

[@mediocrestreams3284]

I always imagined the necromorphs would be devastating in 40k. All the death that occurs, it only takes one war to happen on a planet with a marker and you could have a brethren moon in a week

[@JohnDoe-sw1rs]

I miss dead space

[@michaelj.caboose372]

While that's true, 40k also has numerous ways to kill planet sized objects so it's not too huge of an issue

[@NexusGaming857]

@@michaelj.caboose372 While also true, being in the presence of a brethren moon is dangerous for your mental health.

[@VunderGuy]

A moon that can't dodge all the various ways 40K factions have to blow it to smithereens.

[@NexusGaming857]

@@am-ranth8955 No, don't downplay the brethren moon's ability to literally fuck with your mind. I will not have someone who clearly has no clue about what a brethren moon can do, downplay the abilities of one. It's not about 'PTSD', you mongoloid. It's about the brethren moons ability to make you insane with its very presence. if someone like Isaac Clark, who is able to resist the signal coming from the Marker, can have his shit cooked by a brethren moon, then the average Guardsman isn't the only one who has to worry about being driven mad. Not even those precious space marines are safe. They'd be driven to madness, complete and utter madness. They will implode on themselves, delete themselves, or start violently attacking others. This isn't even taking into account the Marker bringing forth necromorphs.

[@swordkingx4874]

24:50 why did you give me the mental image of the gravemind just chucking flood forms across space at ships just passing by lightyears away from it's planet.

[@alexryll9237]

When I was a kid I thought the Flood was named that way because it was just an endless tide of zombies. It was only later I realized that it was named after the biblical Flood. The one that wipes the universe clean as a punishment and resets everything back to 0

[@ryanparker4996]

Did you miss the part where its called "Halo" and the main character has a biblical reference for a name

[@johngellare3507]

@@ryanparker4996 His name and designation is a bible quote lol John 1:17 " For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ"

[@Slender_Man_186]

@@johngellare3507 also, the planet the Forerunner found the Flood on in Bungie’s lore was named G6-17, a reference to Genesis 6:17 where god warns Noah about the biblical flood.

[@johngellare3507]

@@Slender_Man_186 There are a lot of religious references in Halo, now that I think about it. The Ark, The Covenant, John-117, The Flood, the Halo installations, the entire plot of 2 and 3 being basically ripped from the book of Daniels and so forth

[@KaptifLaDistillerie]

@@ryanparker4996 he probably also missed the "religious" choir in the main theme 😂

[@fetusdeletus1179]

Give Sly Marbo power armor and watch the flood lose in like 5 days

[@veritycloud1236]

in the new codex he is only 50 points this is another reason why gw is stupid

[@sockylogic2014]

Give Sly Marbo a bathing suit cus he would turn the Flood into his personal beach.

[@veritycloud1236]

@@sockylogic2014 true

[@HexaDecimus]

Just give him a boat

[@seekingabsolution1907]

I think power armor would break whatever strange rules that allow him to beat his enemies.

[@NordicTobz]

Damn, the precursers sounds like they have the survivability of Nagash mixed with a cockroach with power armor

[@martinnavarrete5279]

I mean in the new book was confirmed that even without a physical body their consciusness still linger in reality with full awareness even being able to influence reality

[@orionriftclan2727]

It's more like they are literally gods, old ones eat your heart out, choas gods be jealous

[@thewerdna]

I do think there is a non-zero possibility that in the "flood win" scenario the Necroms pull a forerunners, but instead of Halo rings they slap every single button on the "supernova any star" machine.

[@comradekenobi6908]

Who says Necrons can't just make a Halo ring type weapon lol? Their tamer WiH weapon was the fooken CELESTIAL ORRERY. Probably the most powerful weapon in Warhammer rn

[@isuckatusernames4297]

@@comradekenobi6908 their cockyness and how generally speaking they almost never make new things

[@comradekenobi6908]

@I suck at usernames bro a necron lord Trazyn, literally teleported and put an entire planet into statistics because it has a statue if him His nemesis Orikan, casually uses time travel to mess with him They aren't even the most powerful Necton Lords around mind you Also what so you mean they can't invent new things? They didn't do it because THEY DIDNT NEED TO I mean when even TYRANIDS avoid your tomb worlds, why bother creating superweapons? Most of them are now just chilling in their empires because no faction really poses an existential threat to them

[@isuckatusernames4297]

@@comradekenobi6908 from most books I've read, alot of them are too pridefull to actually ask for help and even then in every case I've read, they act like making new things is impossible and like they're stuck with an ever dwindling supply of arms and men. besodes, I've yet to see any video or read about anyone mentioning the existence of necron forge world. so as far as I know they have an almost inexistent production capacity. I mean hell, in the duology twice dead king, entire tomb worlds are taken over by the flayer virus and a simple imperial crisade is capable of putting an entire dynasty on the run from imperial. so I'd say it's eitheir because the writers are being lazy with necron supply and logistics or people tend to generally high ball their faction very hard

[@Micmag-]

@@comradekenobi6908 while the necrons can make forrunner like tech they absolutely CANNOT make precursor like tech celestial is childs play to precursors because they were comparable to HP lovecraft beings that are so powerful that simply looking at them would made you go insane unless they allowed you to bare witness there image and you may be asking yourself saying "why did they die against the forerunners" they allowed it because they wanted to recreate themselves into a new form and the reason they aren't in the halo universe anymore is because they just became flood while others just straight up left the entire halo universe all together.

[@thewayfarer8849]

God the writing in Halo is/was so good. The Flood (the name alone, subtle and clever without being pretentious), Spartan II's in Mjolnir armor, the ship names and fact that you have humanity go "fuck em" using every bit of ingenuity is so awesome.

[@poundsofslothcigars]

28:05 I never stopped to look at the sheer number of golden eagles this man has all over his body. Shame he wasnt able to preserve them from extinction...

[@philosophicalninjagenericl3793]

No matter how many times I hear the flood described, I learn a little bit more new stuff each time.

[@The_Dreaming_Hunter]

I feel like since the flood are a virus like parasite Nurgle would become op chaos god

[@martinnavarrete5279]

Not a virus specefically, in several media they are shown more like a fungal organismt, they are compose of supercell that are eucariont, but instead of being pasive like a real fungus they act violently and fast, i feel like it would be more like tyranids, they would be able to be infected by nurgle's plagues but it would work only with specific methods and not in a big scale

[@Bilskirnir3124]

I've heard that idea before, but with the cycle of life and death broken and there being no no infections as all becomes one in the flood I think Nurgle wanes quickly.

[@Never_heart]

Not really, it's a metaphysical cancer, if anything Nurgle falls first because a Gravemind just offers a Greater Unclean One, the one single infection Nurgle has never made, one that infects gods, just follow the will of the Flood and even the gods will rot and putrify. Because the Gravemind spreads like Nurgle, schemes like Tzeench and manipulates like Slaanesh

[@comradestarbucks2726]

Possibly, but since the flood are much more into hatred than despair Khorne would probably be getting in on it too. You know, as much as any chaos god can when they aren’t actually being worshipped.

[@nyalan8385]

@@comradestarbucks2726 nah I think khorne gets shut down by the flood. Flood victims don't die, they just get assimilated, and that's where khorne gets the fast majority of his power from, the act of killing

[@pippin606]

Paraphrase from Rtas 'Vadum "One spore is all it takes."

[@comradekenobi6908]

Unless Trazyn "collects" said spore

[@comradekenobi6908]

@BraedynDaAce they clearly lack the skills to bring down the flood

[@heftymagic4814]

@@comradekenobi6908 the covenant actually had tech and tactics that gave them an advantage against the flood but it ultimately didnt matter since the gravemind is so unimaginably vast by every standard

[@heftymagic4814]

@@comradekenobi6908 the spores arent gonna be what necrons should worry about, housing a spore would even be a death sentence since the gravemind would exist within that spore

[@comradekenobi6908]

@@heftymagic4814 HAHAHA lol if you know Necron lordTrazyn he housed way more powerful beings than gravemind. Saying this as a fan of Halo

[@moga-hunter2410]

The worst part of gurran laggan is indeed the fact there isn’t even more of it

[@WaltuhDaWhite]

Its surprising how the 40k fandom doesn't believe that gurren laggan exists and thinks it's just anime propaganda just like how the tau believes that titans are just imperium propaganda ironic isn't it?

[@CoffeeMaus]

Nah, it ended exactly where it should have. You can't escalate from God machines having a punch off on a galaxy.

[@moga-hunter2410]

@@CoffeeMaus Multiverse sized mecha...

[@moga-hunter2410]

@@WaltuhDaWhite really?

[@MrMcp1995]

The biggest fundamental difference between the Flood and the Tyranids is that the Nids adapt to overcome their enemies' strengths, the Flood steals those strengths and turns them against them. For example, say the Flood and the Nids went up against an Imperial armored regiment with a lot of tanks. The Nids would create a more heavily armored bioform with a big gun to go toe to toe with Imperial tanks. The Flood would develop an armor penetrating pure form to breach the tank, infect the crew, and turn it against its former comrades. Losing a tank is bad. Having that tank suddenly turn around and start shooting at you is worse.

[@PhthaloGreenskin]

Here's a thing, the most likely scenario is the flood lose but not to who you'd think. The eldar, the seers will see a vision of what would happen should the flood get out of control. They’ll webway to the planet and then deploy the fireheart. The fireheart is a relic from the eldae empire recovered by the dark eldar in valedor and now iynaden can replicate. The fireheart collapses the core of a planet and the eldar also have weapons that can ignite the atmosphere. So in reality the eldar would be the savoirs of the galaxy because they're the only faction who can respond quick enough to stop the flood before it gets out of hand.

[@Madbird95]

Oo interesting!

[@revanruler6404]

Also can't some necrons literally time travel? Necrons or eldar could find the flood early on and beat it

[@isaaclong8209]

What if the Keymind was so intelligent that it could mind-break or corrupt the Eldar who see it in their vision? Not saying it could do that, but not saying it can't, considering it can mees with space time. Just a funny idea.

[@fluoroantimonictippedcruis1537]

@@isaaclong8209 Future sight in wh40k uses the warp, not the material universe, thus it's explictly not dependent on 'space-time' or whatever things can mess with it. The fact it uses the warp is partially why this plan is a dodgy one, because they have every chance of missing it or predicting wrong. The warp is not precise place.

[@tergartcunninghan2013]

@@isaaclong8209implying that they get that far. And I promise you that if the Eldar catch a whiff of them, the flood aren’t getting as far as a continent on a single planet. The Necrons would probably be even worse. They wouldn’t even kill off the Flood due to a sense of urgency, more so just a Destroyer Cult catching them up in their agenda. That, or the Silent King casually going out of his way to wipe them out with the flick of a wrist. The ORKS? Oh good lord would the Flood have a miserable time with them. In that Ork intelligence does. It exist. If the Flood assimilate too many of them, they will effectively be subtracting intelligence, as absolutely idiotic as that sounds. That, and the Orks just might notice a boi lookin’ funny n’ stuv, then crump the lad on the spot. The thing about Warhammer is this; every faction is alive due to having ungodly forces. The Flood in this light could not even begin to establish a foothold.

[@DivideByBob]

Do you think a Grave Mind would be able or even try to “Breed” the orks?

[@jnev5572]

Spore Broken

[@randumderf9777]

I am going to krump myself

[@Nick-st4hb]

Definitely yes, the gravemind will pretend to have a fight waiting for the orks to become stronger and spawn more, once they can't do it anymore or just get what it needs the gravemind will wipe them out

[@ColonelMetus]

Orks aren't submissive or breedable

[@TheRedKing247]

@@ColonelMetus They are if you convince them they are.

[@williammell845]

I like how similar yet different the Flood and the Tyrranids are. I really think each is hamstrung by the universe it is in. Tyrranid are undoubtedly better fighters than Flood combat forms and it seems like they grow in threat level faster and can evolve so quickly that I don't think the UNSC and Covenant could stand against them like they do against the flood. Not to mention the chaos of genestealer cults thrown into the works. With the much smaller scale inhabited planets in Halo and fewer forms of enemies for the Tyrranids to face, I think the Halo universe would fair worse against them than they are against the Flood. The Flood on the other hand may or may not have psychic abilities depending on how you want to interpret some of what they can do, but their ability to utilize the tech and knowledge of bodies they absorb mean that 1 of the main weaknesses of the Tyrranid's can be negated as the Flood begin to utilize warp and webway travel. I think 1 gravemind in the 40k universe will actually be able to spread out of control, hitting a million planets at once, starting a war on so many fronts that it ensures the flood will never be completely exterminated. I don't think 40k's superweapons can stop them as I think their machine spirits, and even the necrons will fall prey to the Flood's unique tech corruption.

[@squashiejoshie200000]

If you put either into the universe of the other, you need to use the magic/technology comparison. You can literally replace the Halo specific terms in the definition of Neural Physics with Warhammer terms and get a definition for psychic capability: Neural physics/Psychic capability was a Precursor/Old One concept and science/capability which posited that the Mantle/Realm of Souls encompassed the entire universe, including living beings, energy and matter. The principles of neural physics/psychic capability also postulated that the entire universe was living, but in a way that was beyond the comprehension of biological organisms. Blurring the line between philosophy and science, neural physics/psychic capability was not a mere belief to the Precursors/Old Ones as transsentient entities. They were able to harness its principles as a transcendent form of technology/psychic capability, used to create solid structures or travel the stars.

[@hoseja]

>utilize warp Yeaaahhhh, about that...

[@williammell845]

@@hoseja utilize warp travel.

[@aaronfinch8413]

It's really nice seeing someone as passionate about halo as you. It's refreshing to see given the uncertainty the community is going through these days. Hope to see more Halo in the future! Good shit!

[@robkemp598]

It's a Flood universe and we're all just living in it. I do really want to see you cover other Sci fi factions that could survive or thrive in Warhammer. The Shadows from Babylon 5, The Ancients from Stargate, the empire from the foundation series....etc

[@andrewwilliam7890]

or The Combine from Half-Life

[@robkemp598]

@Andrew William ooooh that's another good one 👍

[@freakkyser]

I feel like if tyranids and flood encountered eachother, they would enter a cycle of consuming eachother and getting stronger to the point where there's just a perfect hybrid of both

[@brockwilkie6022]

agreed, a VERY scary result that I have been wondering.

[@brockwilkie6022]

@Humuhumunukunukuapua'a Agreed fo rhte most part, we just don't know enough about the Hive Mind in Comparison to Graveminds to be sure. However, I would say that if an all out war occurs you can bet whatever comes out will be truly terrible.

[@necfreon6259]

@@brockwilkie6022 the grave mind is a hell of a lot more intelligent and actually gets more knowledge the longer your in the fight although it’s safe to say the tyrinid hive mind is more psionicly powerfull then a gravemind but as far as I’m aware I haven’t seen mention of it mindfucking another person on its own cause other people tried to tap into the hive mind for various reasons but it has like an inbuilt security system for psionic intrusions which the gravemind doesn’t really have to deal with cause it can’t psionicly invade people

[@スフィアマスター]

@@necfreon6259 I think tyranid are more adept at creating bioform while flood have to actually use tech steal from other species Tyranid can just grow a new bioship wholly from an infested planet. We do see that in one of Forgeworld book. If the flood get tyranid ability to just independently create everything from just their biomass and Raw material then it will be A LOT harder to contain them.

[@necfreon6259]

@@スフィアマスター fair enough although I suppose the tyranids also has one thing over the flood is the fact that the species as a whole gets literally stronger if they consume a particularly high tier organic people like a primark or a kroak I mean could you imagine just the local grunts with kroak like strength and endurance

[@Recoil1808]

One more very important thing to note about the Flood is, FTL. The Flood absorb the knowledge of entire species and the moment a gravemind (nevermind a keymind) forms, the Flood not only have a pathway to learning about the tech of the 40k universe, they instantly now understand every philosophical concept, every technological diagram, every lie, every deception, every tactic every strategy and every creative maneuver of the species they had consumed before even setting foot in the 40k universe. It's like starting up a game of Stellaris but your tech tree is already complete.

[@Mobysimo]

I get the feeling that in scenario 3, the Gravemind would try to take over Terra, simply to taunt the Emperor as he finally dies. I can just picture the Emperor, finally slowly dying after who knows how long trapped on that throne, as the great capital of his beloved humanity is consumed by an unstoppable swarm, fleshy tentacles spread out all over his throne room and the Gravemind’s voice echoes through the room, telling him exactly what he is now “You are FOOD, nothing more”

[@canadianbigmac3501]

Isn’t the emp a perpetual

[@Xer405]

​@@canadianbigmac3501 Yes which means he would eventually return but I doubt he'd do much with most of humanity gone.

[@PrinceOfDolAlmroth]

@@canadianbigmac3501 I don't think that would save him, especially if he is capable of being infected.

[@VoicedNat]

If Big E truly dies, Terra explodes and destroys the solar system with it. He would either reappear somewhere because he is a perpetual or he simply becomes a great warp entity because warp entities existed before chaos and lived in the sea of souls despite not being worshipped.

[@orionriftclan2727]

@@canadianbigmac3501 my thing is, they can just give him the logic plauge and he just becomes a part of the Hivemind without them infecting his physical form Or in some cases they can just infect him and let him not truely die, so he just becomes a part of the flood but is still living but can't do anything, or basically nothing changes for him

[@milesgray1635]

I feel like the Flood would either be Nurgle's best friend or worst enemy. Either way, Nurgle is gonna get a few spores and make his own patented version for the Death Guard to use

[@orrorsaness5942]

I think Malal would have a love-hate realtionship with the Flood!

[@theravenkingsix2835]

Underrated comment

[@achair7265]

No Nurgle along with other Gods would treat much like the Tyranids but more drastic. It's fun and games till the spores start speaking poetry. "Your Prophets have promised you freedom from a doomed existence, but you will find no salvation on this Ring. Those who built this place knew what they wrought. Do not mistake their intent, or all will perish as they did before." - Said on Gravemind.

[@ryanparker4996]

The flood does not submit to anyone, not even Nurgle is safe

[@parkwaydrivern5089]

I mean I’d argue we have a few more Halo Hammer videos out there…What if the humanity from Halo and the Imperuim were to meet? Or if you were to make the Flood a playable faction on the table top…what rules would you give it? C’mon Pancreas you’re sleeping on a gold mine!

[@LiamDillen]

I think they'll have most of the same rules as tyranids an maybe nurgle but they have a map wide passive for every enemy unit that dies they have a reanimation protocol chance of getting a disposable chump combat form for the flood

[@trolltyrant8344]

@@LiamDillen I think necromorfs from dead space would fuck up 40k with the shear amount of bodys in 40k brah those hive citys are packed

[@LiamDillen]

@@trolltyrant8344 well you gotta remember that you can only create necromorphs with markers an to get a Infestation going there needs to be hundreds all across the hive but the imperium is advanced enough to realize that the markers are bad news an destroy any they come across

[@trolltyrant8344]

@@LiamDillen while that may be those markers are powerful enough to drive almost anyone insane even space marines if they are around it long enough all it needs to do is spread the blueprints to enough peaple throughout the galaxy Also chances the first target is the t’ao the benifits for there race may make them look away or mabie the first would send it to a eldar or some outher group Heck send that to the orks they may help build the dang things for a war Also keep in mind the shear amount of peaple suffering in 40k the desperation will probably make one of the worlds build it

[@LiamDillen]

@@trolltyrant8344 you know what fair enough an with millions of worlds the brother moons gonna thrive

[@eldermaxxon7954]

As a man who’s first game was halo 2 and who’s favorite game series ever is halo this brings me great joy that you did this series.

[@brn_4456]

I really like the Notion from the Librarian that the *stars* looked off. Like the Flood is corrupting the Universe in a fundamentally wrong way, really a great little piece of scifi horror for me

[@mackensieswanholm4996]

if a flood spore could wipe out all of the Warhammer universe really depends on what instinctual biological knowledge the spore starts with like with the forerunner pets the spore could just be preprogrammed to spread like the common cold and only after a critical mass it explodes outwards in the full infection phase basically warhammer vs plague inc until it turns to warhammer vs world war z

[@hekmatyar4476]

yes I agree with that but also no I'm sure you've done lots of research on the flood but once you get into tyranid stuff it'll make you doubt

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@hekmatyar4476 Not to mention, there are already zombies in 40K thanks to Nurgle.

[@mackensieswanholm4996]

@Hekmatyar I haven't seen anything from the Tyranid that I would say makes them able to handle the flood any better than any other faction in warhammer They do not have any magical properties like chaos that makes them unable to be turned They take weeks to adapt and need a growing pit to convert biomatter as well to change biomatter into new effective versions The nids we see are bigger and stronger than the flood we see in the halo games, but as soon as the flood takes down just one they now are just as big and just as strong as

[@johnanderson3559]

@@mackensieswanholm4996 and the nids will eat the converted one, dissect it on an atomic level and then use flood against them.

[@draconomega]

If the necrons wipes out their old tech it's an easy W. Doesn't matter the amount of mass they have. Even if they had time to asimilate some of the galaxy's technology (on the 41k century) they can't even beging to reach a shadow of the lowest they were able to do. For example, when the war against the old ones ended they decided to purge some of their weapons for being to strong, the strongest weapon the have right now is a map that shows ALL of the galaxy with no time delay and when touching a star it just explodes, causing a supernova.

[@Arctic7985]

This was actually a really cool series, since I really like crossover discussions like this. Great job

[@demo0831]

Honestly as a halo fan this brings me nothing but joy. Itd be really fun to see more videos in this spirit from you with things perhaps outside of halo. Kind of like the would they survive 40k? but entire factions instead of select characters.

[@orrorsaness5942]

The Covenant would go against The Eldar and the Necrons and the Imperium. The Covenant will defeat the imperium and the imperium loses 10 percent of their territory. The Eldar United with the Imperium as the Interex makes their move The Eye of Terror gets annexed into the Imperium, as they use halo tech against chaos. Chaos would be strengthened, as Nurgle Temporarily Allie’s with the flood The Human federation in Halo will eventually join the imperium. What do you think of this?

[@demo0831]

​@@orrorsaness5942Thats not bad at all, not exactly what my comment was about but i like your ideas

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@demo0831 cool 😎

[@benjamminholmes]

Thanks!

[@RandomBeefTaste]

If you wanna add further fuel to the thought fire, since the flood retains the memories of past iterations of itself, could the flood in 40k, once developed enough, try to use 40k tech to re-engineer Forerunner and Precursor tech? if even proto-gravemind level flood from the very minor outbreak in CE start repairing covenant and UNSC vessels for flight, who's to say what Keyminds could do

[@ripwolfe]

A scenario for consideration: Trazyn collects a few million uninfected subjects for storage and the Necrons build their own version of the Halos, wiping out the Flood's food supply, i.e, every living thing. They then re-seed the planets of their liking to restart organic life for their later bodily transition, hole up again for 65 million years, and start over.

[@redenginner]

The issue is that 65 million more years of sleep would likely cause the crons to go extinct. Entire tomb worlds already have died from random hardware failures and a large part of the necrons with intact minds post transference are effectively brain damaged shells run on automation protocols.

[@FullmetalOrk]

@@redenginner they'd be fine.

[@nobleman9393]

Many Necrons don't really care about returning to organic form and they would be more than happy kill everything.

[@comradekenobi6908]

Trazyn would have a field day collecting flood

[@connormcgehee9349]

Not unless the flood have less then 1 planet at the time this goes on. The flood otherwise just start infecting necrons. Keyminds are funny

[@kekero540]

The flood are like the Orks, Tyrranids, and old ones all wrapped together.

[@GeneGear]

The issue with Flood vs. Tyrranids is that it doesn't matter which side wins. What would happen is that one side or the other would incorporate the biological/mental abilities of the other, and the new resulting species would be a horror of unbelievable proportions that would damn the galaxy as it ate literally everything in its path and spawned warp-capable infected asteroids to slam into...everywhere, really. Even other Tyrranid fleets would be nothing more than food for the slaughter, as to the Tyrranid hivemind the new creatures would just be another competing Hive Fleet, not a hyper-intelligent swarm-mind hellbent on eating the universe.

[@TheVoidIsCold]

@@GeneGear The thing is that the Flood Hivemind is backed by thousands of years of knowledge from all previous iterations and is also on the level of a God upon reaching Keymind stage. So if the Flood got assimilated instead (which I consider unlikely because of the points I just made) all of that would presumably go to waste. Hundred of thousands of years of accumulated knowledge vanishing from the flood, losing the ability to bend reality itself and the Logiplague would result in the Tyranids that assimilated the Flood to be not that much better tha when they started other than even more sheer numbers, because while the Flood are powerful because of their sheer infectivity, able to infect basically anything with a nervous system (including the Tyranids Im pretty sure) thats only early for them, because they also have the advantage of all the minds ever infected accumulated into a super inteligence, reality bending powers, logic plague, use of stolen technology, etc, while Tyranids wouldnt have access to that

[@johnp1366]

I Would have to agree. If the Foreunners, a highly advanced race, couldn't handle the flood, what could the 40k eclesiastic Society do against it.....

[@seekingabsolution1907]

The growth of the floods knowledge may be slowed by the relative ignorance of most of the human population, on the other hand, biomass is more important to the flood than individual victims intelligence.

[@IngeniousNinja]

@@seekingabsolution1907 Yeah, specific knowledge isnt worth jack compared to a billion billion minds. 40k tech (barring some Necron stuff) isn't at all beyond even a several-systems wide Gravemind working it out from scratch ish

[@w4vypl4yzz35]

@@seekingabsolution1907once a gravemind is born it will get all memories and knowledge of a past gravemind meaning it would have knowledge of it when it was a precursor, basically a primordial being that exsisted before anything.

[@digishade7583]

You know the funniest thought I just had was the flood infecting the biomass the Tyranids gather before they can transfer it to their hive ships just imagine a gravemind or keymind rising from the biological sludge just as it’s about to be transferred 28:19 actually the warp storm wouldn’t happen because if the emperor actually dies then the entirety of Holy terra self destructs

[@KillerOrca]

"Its free real estate"

[@deagantio2545]

Imagine an uncontrolled Flood outbreak reaching Terra and securing the planet. Instead of the Gravemind torturing Cortana, imagine the Gravemind tormenting The Emperor in the chorus of a trillion assimilated human voices that had once belonged to his guardsmen, space marines, slaves - hell, maybe some *primarchs* thrown in (Angron is absolutely stupid enough to rush into a 'hive' city to appease his blood-daddy.) All relentlessly blaming him for his failures. Truly, a monument to his sins. I think the Flood's torment and subsequent logic plague-ing of Emps would make it seem like the Didact got off lucky. And let's assume that he's a perpetual and is finally able to die - if he comes back, he does so with all of that damage and all of those memories. Batshit crazy Emperor-gone-Didact suddenly and inadvertently working towards the Flood's overall plans, further destabilizing what remains of a cohesive galaxy.

[@SirEggo2412]

The entire planet would go boom if that happened

[@destroyer68175]

Your assuming he'd break from an attack, one he would KNOW was an ATTACK on him. And that a psuedo-god could be tortured like cortana (someone that couldnt fight back at ALL) could be tortured. Also your assuming that the chaos gods dont do this shit all the time except they yknow DO. Torturing people is slaneesh's entire THING. Ddo you think the godd/ess of rape and torture ISNT using warp fuckery to blast the thoughts of all the people that fell to chaos directly at the emperor? Edit: Basically, your comment about how terrible the flood would be to the emperor is literally just tuesday.

[@capitalistball2924]

@@destroyer68175 Exactly. The Emperor has already gone through ten thousand years of pure mindfuck torture that would cause a man to literally crumble to dust if they were to go through what he went through for a fraction of a second.

[@hekmatyar4476]

he already has gone through mind fuck and is half dead so I don't know what the flood could do to him

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@hekmatyar4476 that hasn’t already been done to him by chaos.

[@immagoingbacktobed1742]

My only problem with the final scenario is the glossing over of demons. Only for one reason: Unless Flood are immune disease (which they may be) Nurgle may be a problem with all the disease he pumps out.

[@UnleadedCube]

The flood are canonically immune to any disease.

[@thomasallen9974]

@@UnleadedCube and the reason is because the base flood cells are actually extremely advanced supercells that are highly adaptive and can evolve very quickly.

[@UnleadedCube]

@@thomasallen9974 Yup

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@UnleadedCube Plot twist, The Imperium portals all of HALO into the warp to weaken chaos, and to take the eye of terror. The Imperium annexes the Eye of Terror (It’s not closed to strengthen loyalist psychers) and chaos grows stronger thanks to The Flood!

[@UnleadedCube]

@@orrorsaness5942 2nd plot twist. Ships and fleets leaving the warp suddenly start showing up completely infected with the flood. The Imperium realizes they fucked up and can no longer use the warp for FTL, the logic plague suddenly has psychers helping the flood show up on populated worlds. Before completely consuming the galaxy its found out the chaos gods were infected and were unable to stop the flood. The flood once it gets key-minds is able to use neural physics and is incurable and immune to all disease. Congrats! You made the flood win in a year or 2 instead of centuries.

[@zerospeed1498]

Once the flood hits gravemind they have all the memories of the previous graveminds( let that sink in) along side neural physics letting them infect space it's self, full power would be no joke

[@orionriftclan2727]

Which is pretty easy considering that Hiveworlds could have billions of people minimum, and it only took a day for the flood to make a very very large protogravemind after containment was breached in Halo Wars 2

[@w4vypl4yzz35]

Not to mention if they managed to take forge worlds they could build themselvs forerunner tech because they have the knowledge to do so, even flood born- AI, possibly sentinels and other technology to be controlled by the flood born AI as well

[@g.williams2047]

I don’t believe the Gravemind can access neural physics aside from limited teleportation. Once it becomes a Keymind though that’s when the ball gets rolling.

[@Shadethewolfy]

They actually did explain. They tried to warn the Forerunners of the Flood and told them, explicitly, why they were glassing Forerunner worlds and urged them to do the same if any of them showed signs of the infection. The Forerunners ignored them, thinking that they were just making up stories.