Do or Don't: Slaves to Darkness

[@pancreasnowork9939]

You did it Archaon, you are the Warhammer: Age of Sigmar

[@voxman3464]

He didn't say that.

[@HyperNova0]

@@voxman3464He did, I was there.

[@alextruecustodian6174]

​​​@@voxman3464fun fact: He actually does in total war lmfao Archaon is the goat fr fr

[@JD-bk4zi]

@@HyperNova0 He did indeed, I was gay

[@TwistedAlphonso1]

Thanks for the video PancreasNetwork

[@imperialfist2304]

“I am no slave! I am a worthy champion of the Dark Gods and carve my destiny in the heart of mortals!” - Every Slave to Darkness ever

[@Flummoxed_Buffoon87]

"Sure, bub, I believe. Want a tissue for those cope tears, friend?" Every Order Player

[@MagicHjalti]

Fax

[@ouch2040]

Knowing chaos, they are most definitely literally doing that last part

[@howdoyoudo5949]

"Shut up, git!" Every Destruction player.

[@leonardogomez8812]

I'm pretty sure that even the nurglings are like that lol

[@D_Doyle]

If they are slaves to darkness, they should really invest in a lightbulb

[@haroldearlgray5629]

😅🤣🤣😂😅😭😅😭😅🤣🤣😅🤣🤣😂😄😂😀😃😂😄

[@malickmeziani_FreePalestine]

LMAO

[@jnev5572]

Cousin Bjorn is positively glowing after his boon

[@honkeykong4049]

They're slaves tho.. how can they invest in anything if they don't get paid?

[@Reznore587]

@@honkeykong4049steal it

[@drunkenskeleton299]

Archaon is everything that Abbadon likes to LARP as, even down to having the cooler sounding evil “A” name

[@Dragonage2ftw]

I’ve said this before. Archeon is the villain GW wishes Abaddon was.

[@helwrecht1637]

Yes but archaon is still a cry baby

[@Sen_1491]

​@@helwrecht1637they can be both Ares was a little bitch in real mythology

[@poggestfrog]

@@helwrecht1637 both have the personality of rocks but i don't see Abbadon riding on a three headed giant dragon with a miniature larger than some babies

[@Fazbear-po5mm]

@@helwrecht1637it can also be added that currently even from the arks of omen it’s known that Abbadon struggles keeping his forces as chaos undivided without falling back to one god. Not including how restless be’lakor is and now Vashtor Archeon however just casually has better charisma stats to keep his forces ALWAYS in line, even being able to have Norscans on his side (be’lakor is an exception tho cause no matter the universe be’lakor knows he’s out for #1), And I mean… chaos space marines do have beast men too, but slaves to darkness get access to the rats, and that’s all that matters yes yes

[@giacomoromano8842]

I like how the Age of Chaos starts because Chaos, united, win the big fight but, lost momentum and focus, it start infighting immediately, allowing for all the other factions to survive despite their inferior numbers. Fyreslayers, Sylvaneth, Kharadron, Lumineth, Orks and goblins... they all pulled it off because Chaos lost unity, even leaving itself vulnerable for Sigmar glorious counterattack. Indeed, Sigmar and the Azyrite factions risk to give Chaos a new, shiny giant target to unite against and fight as one.

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

I always find it funny when people talk about the Age of Chaos or Horus Heresy and what not they say chaos lost because they “lost focus” and arguably yes the mortal followers did but I argue why would chaos want to win? Why would the Chaos Gods want what they view as the most hilarious game ever invented to end? Frankly in my opinion it’s all planned. It may screw the gods over in the end but it makes sense to me.

[@jonathanwatson4484]

​@@Prophetofthe8thLegionthe game never ends, the mortal realms is just the DLC expansion to them

[@giacomoromano8842]

@@Prophetofthe8thLegion in my opinion, that is more 40k. The emperor completely misunderstood the Chaos Gods and his actions simply allowed them to have a galaxy wide play field of suffering and raw negative emotions on masse to feed upon, something better than whatever Horus would have obtained had he won. In Aos instead, Sigmar is a damn big threat. He knows what he is doing, his solution to removing corruption is not "nuke it" and the widespread and controllable form of magic and holy power allow the free people of aos to thrive and repel chaos whenever it presents itself. Hell, the elven gods trapped Slaanesh, that's no "joke" in the big game, that was a full on panic attack for everyone, Chaos Gods included!

[@RetroRadianceLight]

@@Prophetofthe8thLegion Age of Sigmar does give us an explanation on why they would want to win. There are plenty of other universes out there. If this one ends, they can just move on to the other one.They've also ended one universe already with Fantasy so what's one more destroyed.

[@berilsevvalbekret772]

​​​@@RetroRadianceLightthey are like much more douchbag daedric princes with less universe dimensions on their back and call , stupider though.

[@BossEvasion]

Karl Franz to a random chaos warrior that has a single noble trait: You’re cool, welcome to the Stormcast! *Bonks with Ghal Maraz.*

[@lucaballarati9694]

It would be entertaining seeing an ex chaos warrior suddenly feeling empathy and going "How dare you infect me with morals"

[@leonelimalevu7302]

Even in the most depraved and evil of warriors, Sigmar still sees a potential champion of his.

[@jonathanwatson4484]

There was a worshiper of nurgle well more like slave to nurgle since he was a noble knight, were the storm cast seen he was a good man, so they charge his soul with lighting about let say 500000000000 bolts till nurgle corruption was literally burned away, he is now the head of a storm cast army

[@KrimzonFlygon1]

Chaos Warrior: What is that? Sigmar: The Hammer of Redemption. DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE?! (bonk) Sigmar: All is forgiven! :)

[@isaiahsmith6016]

@@KrimzonFlygon1 Thanks Rolf. I mean Sigmar.

[@Never_heart]

I really do respect AoS for making all of the factions feel powerful without them feeling arbitrarily not winning. In 40k there are multiple factions that are not winning solely due to infighting. In AoS every faction feels like it should be in this stalement with the other factions because they all are powerful but not too much more than any other faction

[@giacomoromano8842]

Yeah, the expansions of the realms and the war of everyone with everyone in constant wars and infighting really sells this situation of stalemate, even if big events do play out.

[@sovietunion7643]

but i mean warhammer fantasy was already doing that. high elves felt super powerful but limited by their island isolation and infighting with dark elves. wood elves were powerful and in tune with weird forest beasts but were so dogmatic that they really got the ire of most other factions around them and kept to themselves. the lizardmen fared great against chaos but struggled against more conventional militaries. even chaos itself always was infighting between the chaos gods, especially if chaos was doing well, and was rarely completely unified until the end times. most factions felt as if they had potential but due to other factions threat and internal infighting could never really go as far to dominate the setting. AOS just kind of repeated that. now i think certain parts of AOS are cool but to me it seems a lot of this already existed in fantasy.

[@Never_heart]

@sovietunion7643 in a lot of ways ya, but it always felt that Chaos was never capable of truly winning in Fantasy. The Order tide in Fantasy was so stable and powerful that Chaos just couldn't break them. Between the Order factions, they were pretty even but Chaos was so weak. I think this vibe was why the End Times felt so forced, Chaos could only hold a few fortresses in the far north and south then suddenly they rule the world. In AoS, Chaos feels like it is a genuine threat to the Order factions without Chaos feeling like it should steam roll everyone. It's a weird balance the other Warhammer settings didn't quite hit

[@sovietunion7643]

@@Never_heart maybe, but personally i never liked chaos being too strong. they worked well through proxies, with chaos cults and the norsemen always a threat to the north. it allowed other bad guys to have their day in the limelight, such as nagash, or even others such as the tomb kings. chaos being weaker in my opinion was a good thing that allowed a feeling of other factions being a threat and allowing a more natural progression of different races. both in 40k and AOS chaos is the biggest threat, and so few other evil (or even chaotic neutral) factions get time to shine much.

[@jonathanwatson4484]

The only way to break the stalemate, is someone make a big move, even then in order to do that they have to focus all there energy on that move which would weaken them from outher moves, the only one who could make there move is maliketh since he is building his army and has a domain were chaos isn't cross but even then he has his mother politics and some invaders at his doorstep that the only thing to motivate him is when his domain suffer a massive invasion his mother can't handle it, only if his domain is truly in danger, then he would go "huh... oh....aaaaaagggggghhhhhh fine I do it myself, why am I the only one who hold the point." like I said the only way to break the stalemate is to make a big move which is a big gamble.

[@expanddongerydoo34]

One of my favorite part of S2D lore are the Greenskin Wars. Where Archaon, seeing orcs as the massive threat they are, told one of his most important generals to take an incomprehensibly large army to Ghur and kill every single orc. It went about as well as you'd expect, ending with literal mountains of corpses and the general's skull being used as decoration in Varanspire.

[@jonathanwatson4484]

I think I heard of it, i might be wrong but I heard it was the orks and the very land itself it was humorous

[@spagwag3079]

Wasn’t this also the event that caused some Orruks to “evolve” into Ironjawz? Turns out when you almost obliterate a highly adaptable species in a fight they’ll come back even stronger because of it

[@gwell2118]

@@spagwag3079 Kind off. It was quasi-retconned in the Orruk Warclans book that Ironjawz existed even as far back as the age of myth, however only in isolated areas as only under significant conflict d0 Orruks get big enough to become Ironjawz. So it wasn't until the Age of Chaos did they grow to big enough numbers to become a realm-spanning faction.

[@wsspook]

Related to retconning: A little sad you didn't mention that in Storm of Chaos, Chaos didn't make it past Kislev ... the first city. They were stopped dead and the world *should* have started healing.

[@crazyscotsman9327]

Seriously I hate how GW decided no we won't abide by the rules we created.

[@Rawnblade13]

Didn't Grimgor whoop Archaon's ass in the original Storm of Chaos as well?

[@crazyscotsman9327]

@@Rawnblade13 From what I recall Grimgor beat Archaon's ass by kicking him in the dick until he died.

[@DatBrasss]

​@@crazyscotsman9327he was headbutting him. The dick thing was Americans misunderstanding British slang.

[@crazyscotsman9327]

@@DatBrasss Ah unfortunate, cause that'd have been funny as shit. Grimgor knocking the Everchosen down and then kicking him in the nuts until the Everchosen died.

[@jewishdictionary1715]

For a faction called STD they have no right to rock this hard.

[@amwoodco3049]

Why not? They kill everything they touch and you love doing everything it takes to get to know them.

[@diamondmetal3062]

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: Chaos is at its best when it’s allowed to be goddamn metal!

[@farseeraradrel4808]

Funily enough, Slaves to Darkness worshiping the Great Horned Rat are a thing. If I remember correctly, the 2nd Edition StD Battletome speaks of Nurgle worshipers who end up thinking Nurgle is a giant rat and in turn, develop Rat-like mutations. Which I assume is a way for GW to say : "You can make Ratmen Chaos Warriors, just mark them as Nurgle and put Skaven bits on them".

[@pedrobrito6554]

ratconned

[@doggerthedog6744]

Slaves to rat

[@Dudenob123]

So they are skavenslaves alright.

[@simplyharkonnen]

Lmao STD Battletome Is that Nurgle or Slaanesh?

[@farseeraradrel4808]

@@simplyharkonnen That's Battletome Updog

[@carbodude5414]

Part of Archaon's biggest appeal for me, aside from his sick design, is that he's just as much of a threat to Chaos as the Order factions are. Just knowing that the Chaos Gods, who are invincible in 40k, are actually _scared_ of Archaon is pretty cathartic and they can't stop him because he never sold his soul for Daemon Princehood to them, showing that not only is it possible to become OP by staying as a Chaos Warrior (who all look really cool) but becoming a Daemon Prince is kind of a scam in the long run

[@ghoulred8352]

To me this reflects in total war 3 for I always find that chaos warriors are stronger then demon princes some times

[@generalgrizzly7914]

@@ghoulred8352 Yeah i pretty much only convert mortals to daemo prince for flavor or if they provide some meaningful buffs with the right army under them.

[@quantumfridge]

10:40

[@expanddongerydoo34]

I'm surprised you didn't mention the faction being divided because of the Archaon and Be'lakor power struggle.

[@АрвигБадмаев-и1э]

Agree! Thats like the most hot topic of the modern std lore

[@jaywingate187]

Honestly, bless AoS for having Be'lakor actually do stuff, making alliances, converting souls through the shadows.

[@rump438]

chaos....divided

[@warlerker]

@@rump438 (Vineboom) (Vineboom) (Vineboom) (OH HELLL NAOOOOooo) (Triple Vineboom) (Diesofcringe.)

[@ImperatorZor]

In western Europe during the dark ages (500-1000) people did not have last names. They might have patronymics (the son of Sven is Svenson) instead and kings often had suffixes (Charles the Fat) but many people just a given name. Around 900 this began to change, starting with the nobility and eventually moving down the social classes over the latter half of the middle ages. Some lower class names were formalized Patronymics (John has a son called Mark, Mark Johnson has a son named Robert who keeps Johnson and runs with his dad's patronymic, as do his Robert Johnson's descendants). Others are tied with their location they lived in (Alice of Cornwall becomes Alice Cornwall). And others are tied to profession. These were usually tied to families anyway so it's an easy jump to make. The most obvious of these are Carpenter, Smith, Weaver, Miller, etc. But there are others which have since fallen into obscurity. A Farrier for example is someone who makes horseshoes and tends to a horse's feet, a Cooper makes barrels and a Fuller is someone who stamps on cloth with their feet on cloth that is immersed in a tub of urine for a living.

[@elmine7707]

I don't know how this is related to the video at hand... But I read the entire thing an think it's pretty cool!

[@fuzzyhair321]

My family name came from we made rye on a hill

[@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD]

I met a girl with the last name "rape".

[@Dunmerdog]

@@MDMDMDMDMDMDMDMDMD me too, but only bc it was my dad’s name

[@chheinrich8486]

The Muslim World took even longer for that i think, for the turkish people it wasnt custom until the founding of the turkish Republic in the fucking 1920s

[@Julio_ap]

I wanted Ulfric to return with a Viking-themed faction for Age of Sigmar. Could have some white wolves to decorate the army. The story could be that he refused to back down along with Sigmar that he is very stubborn and wanted to keep fighting the chaos and now he doesn't like Sigmar because he thinks he's a coward and his followers don't like Sigmar either because they were the people that Sigmar left behind

[@giacomoromano8842]

I converted a slave to darkness army with that theme. They are not chaos aligned, but they followed the "White Wolf", a god of winter, straightforward approach, family and war, with a nick for the survival of the fittest that isn't though pushed to it's most radical limit. They have a snuggle kingdom of semi-nomadic tribes all confederated together and a huge hate-bone with chaos and a half grudge with the sigmarites (mainly on their overbearing authoritative nature). I used many Space Wolves bits and weapons to make weapons of ice, burly women and men with long beards and mustaches, all tattooed where they are exposed and a giant direwolf as a Demon Prince.

[@leonelimalevu7302]

It's funny you mentioned that, since I myself have been dreaming up an alternate ending to the Old World where MOST of the gods survived. And that because of their combined might, they nearly defeated chaos. But then that ugly necromancer (I forgot his name) did his thing, and the old world still blew up. With one group staying close to the remains of the old earth, thus allowing Sigmar to find them. And the others he couldn't find being presumed dead. But in truth, they escaped too, and have also presumed the other group has perished. So now Sigmar has got his own pantheon going on, while Ulric has got his own pantheon as well. His pantheon composed of some old gods like Myrmidion, Morr, Ursun, etc. And even some newly ascended beings such as miao ying, teclis ( in this alternate reality teclis and tyrrion got seperated), thorgrim, settra etc. Where would they be located? Why in the neighboring planetary system of course! How did they get there? Using one of the lizardmen's flying pyrramids, and opening a warp rift, they escaped ( now being the first people to use the warp to travel through space) into this new and uncharted system. How did they find it in the first place? They found some remaining artifacts about the Old Ones and the other worlds they visited, and thus found their golden ticket off the exploding Earth. Now I know this isn't sci fi, but this is the best thing I could come up with as of now. Feel free to correct me on anything.

[@riokollivier]

Ulric is unfortunately canonically dead thanks to a double whammy involving Teclis and later Archaon. However, if you pay close attention to some stories about Sigmar and the Stormcasts, you’ll realize that Sigmar is just straight up Ulric’s successor. White fire? Check. God of Winter? Check. Anti-Chaos? Super check. All that’s left is to get some proper wolf and ice stuff going on in the forces of Sigmar and bam, the succession is complete.

[@jonathanwatson4484]

​@@leonelimalevu7302this could work, it need some written and polish but it can work, it is describe in lore that the slave to darkness have conquer outher worlds, maybe the mortal realm is the first world were the old ones came from which is why chaos has taken an interest in it, still it could be a good reason instead of ghost vikings and fey knights

[@SnowLeopard784]

I'd settle for Bretonia, but instead of horses the knights have to settle for shopping carts pushed by peasants like they're on Jackass.

[@dolomaticus1180]

Nurgle is the perfect Cosmic Drug dealer : "Oh are you afflicted with something that is rotting you death? Come worship me and Uncle Nurgy has all to help you take the pain away and live *BUT I wont mention that it was me who hit you with that gut rot in the first place and only did it to push you into the deal *. Remember first hit is free and I care...in the worst way possible!"

[@voidwalkerbruh7426]

Yep

[@Xahnel]

Toxic love!

[@n.s.mcmahon6180]

I think they're a little more Powerwolf than Gloryhammer, but I guess it comes down to what tracks you pick. Also, I really miss evil villains who were just evil for evil's sake. I get that nuanced, believable, and morally gray characters were an evolution of writing that has become popular, but I think that pendulum is at risk of swinging too far.

[@PhilosophicallyAmerican]

I second this. In reality people are evil just because they're greedy and think hurting people is inconsequential.

[@Dunmerdog]

Theyre more Bloodbound than either

[@colbygordon6936]

My goofy ass using powerwolf for the Empire

[@samiamtheman7379]

The average Warrior of Chaos, meanwhile, "I am an evil bastard," and then burns down a hospital because he finds it funny. It hits me that Erebus is just an average Warrior of Chaos that somehow made it into 40k.

[@Hugme778]

And 40k ppayers hate him. Go figure

[@Rukdug]

Yes, but he also just somehow doesn't come off as cool as your average Warrior of Chaos.

[@alextruecustodian6174]

Tbf Erebus is all the evil and none of the cool stuff of the Warriors(except Daemon summoning) The Warriors of Chaos are evil, but not cowards

[@jarlathquinn2628]

@@Hugme778well the idea of Erebus is to be hated

[@Fazbear-po5mm]

Erebus is just a warrior of chaos larping not knowing why warriors of chaos are cool and just comes off as cringe

[@overlordmadness1548]

Sometimes the simplest things are the best. Just love the idea of “Why are you evil, because I can be”. I genuinely miss those types of villains/bad guys. So many evil forces nowadays have some kind of complex reason as to why they’re evil. I just want a evil force that just there to be evil. “Why did you set fire to the orphanage Jerry”!? “These s’more aren’t going to cook themselves Karen”.

[@phnexOice]

There’s definitely merit to having complex villains who aren’t pure evil and have some reasonable justification for being evil, but sometimes you just want a villain who destroys cities cus they think it’s awesome

[@kyleellis1825]

Meh, it feels like the order factions are just the "nuanced" version of evil and the chaos/bad factions just go all in on the evil.

[@Beriorn]

The Slaves To Darkness abbreviate into STD, which is extremely unfortunate even though the name itself dates back to 3rd edition Fantasy/1st edition 40k back in the late 80s. Also, Archaon can see into the future with that third eye he has on his helmet called the Ed of Sheeran or something. Having a thing on your forehead hat lets you see the future and avoid injury legally qualifies him as a JoJo reference.

[@amwoodco3049]

Pfffbt. Jojo's referencing him.

[@CrusadiaIX]

It’s fairly common among AoS fans to type it as S2D, largely because… yeah

[@freshboy3968]

Epiteph, huh...

[@Expeor7970]

To me the appeal of the WoC/StD is the fantasy of powergaming, in any other army your special character is likely to die a miserable death, even the space marines who are already super special from the get go can really only hope to become chapter masters of their own group. With these guys however your special character don't steal can go from a simple marauder with nothing to becoming the demi god that is a daemon prince. Maybe it's because of WoC rework in Total War but I now find them interesting as a faction.

[@Rukdug]

There's a reason that (as far as I can tell) the Path to Glory rules for making your own narrative initially started with Chaos forces. It just works to have your small raider warband eventually become a massive host through victories and quests in the name of the dark gods.

[@berndsauerstein1946]

Aah, that feeling when, as a child(and only as a child of course), you were too lazy to exchange the lancettes regularily and they friggin hurt like heck. Also, is it just me or were the needles sturdier some ten years ago?

[@exoblivione6086]

The callouses. I still have them.

[@xanmontes8715]

This is a joke that I'd need my pancreas to not work to understand, huh?

[@thorium883]

Having been diagnosed just a couple of years ago, I got to switch to sensors after a month of using lancettes, and boy am I grateful for not having to use those bastards regularly. That was a long month

[@lucaballarati9694]

Pancreasnowork once again shows himself to be a man of refined tastes. I would only contend that "Universe on fire would be a better contender for the Slaves to Darkness' theme song"

[@alextruecustodian6174]

Both based for em tbh

[@bobjones5674]

Good guys in warhammer: Noooo! I'm not actually evil, i do it because.... (Coping and mental gymnastics) The bad guys in warhammer: I'm evil because I think it's cool.

[@hoked2194]

More like: I'm evil because the alternative is dying terribly because Norsca sucks.

[@Krood-j7n]

Cringe

[@Hammers_Peace]

@@Krood-j7n Knife Ear cope

[@Krood-j7n]

@@Hammers_Peace knife ear?? I'm more of a lizard person who just kill chaos without morals or justification 🦎🦎🦎🦎

[@Hammers_Peace]

@@Krood-j7n I have a friend who plays lizardmen and it's very hard to get along, he is also a nid player lmfao

[@whitlocktherevanchist5236]

Your mention of the traitor primarchs turning because of the webway project mystery reminded me of an argument I had once. This guy was furious, unreasonably so, that anyone defend the emperor for not telling the primarchs why he went back to Terra. I was like, "dude, he gave horus the greatest honor anyone in the imperium had ever received by making him the warmaster. He trusted him to appreciate the honor for what it was, a recognition of horus' abilities and achievements! It is not the emperors fault that he had 9 kids who were such bitter CHILDREN that they couldn't handle daddy going back to the house and trusting them to run the business for a few years while he restored his sweet new ride.". For some reason, that point made him even more angry. I thought it was pretty clever

[@seekerofalice9787]

The worst part is that Horus pretty well did understand that and even states that he pretty well knows that the Emperor is working on something related to mastering the Warp. The reason he turns to Chaos is because he gets stabbed by the anti-Horus knife, then gets visions of 40K in the warp where the Loyalists are revered and he is nowhere to be seen. Even when he acknowledges that this vision is a load of BS to Magnus he still gives in to chaos for reasons. His turn is so weird because in the book, he clearly knows that he is being told bullshit, and seems pretty chill and logical about the whole thing, but when he wakes up he becomes a raging asshole for no reason and is willing to betray the imperium for no reason so far as I can tell. He gives reasons, but since he flat out rejected those reasons earlier the whole thing comes across as profoundly stupid.

[@engine4403]

Dont forget to mention almost all the cool rebellions that happen in 40k never do because of the whole "worst regime to ever exist" thing but its always chaos its always fucking chaos. Theres 3 ordos in the inquisition with them being against Chaos (Malleus), Xenos (Xenos) and Heresy (Hereticus). When was the last time you read about Ordo Hereticus dealing with box standard religious divergees and rebellions. When was the last time their military wing, The Sisters Of Battle, fought a box standard human heretics of non chaos variety? Fucking never.

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

We actually do hear about them quite a lot actually you probably don't remember them because they're mentioned in either the origin story of certain vehicles (the land raider redemeer) or in small snippets to make a sub-faction look good (pretty much all of the officio assassinorum assassins). basically they exist they're just footholds soo small it's useless bringing them up unless they're involved with a vehicle or imperial organization and if they are it always involve with the former getting stomped

[@seekerofalice9787]

I mean, not for nothing, but Heresy is kind of a nothing issue unless Chaos is involved. Most uprisings are handled by the local PDF or the Guard depending on how severe the threat is (The first Cain book is about an uprising about to start because of friendly relationships with the Tau, yeah it turns out there was a bigger conspiracy at hand, but on the surface it was an ordinary potential rebellion.) I imagine the same is true with Heretical cults. Most of the time, the local ecclesiarchy finds out about the issue and the planetary governor sends in the PDF, or the cult still praises the Emperor so they let it slide so long as it isn't disruptive. If Chaos pops up though, yeah, the Ordos are going to be looking into even a hint of that, because it can escalate out of control very quickly where someone believing in the idea of the Star Child vs standard Dogma isn't really going to warrant wasting an inquisitors time. They deal with the big problems, not the small fry.

[@kaisercommodus4977]

Ah yes, Chaos. The answer to the age-old question "how can i transport the most skulls on my body". a creature of taste naturally just raises them from the dead so that they transport themselves, but what can you expect from people that see chaos spawns as a promotion

[@GorillerViller]

I just want the celestant prime to walk up to archaon and ask "hey man remember when an ork ended your entire crusade by headbutting you before he kicked you in the nuts?"

[@EgoEroTergum]

The mini-rant in the middle about the tribulations of the genetic lottery and how the new kids don't love the PAIN like they used to was amazing. It's things like these that make the pain of life not only bearable but hillarious. 😁

[@shooey-mcmoss]

I have a cyst near my talamus and my neck veins are shit from the very birth of mine You know what? Two of those migrains would make you want go giving birth yourself, so I kinda understand Maestro

[@amusician644]

About that bit with 40k chaos inviting themselves over that picture of chaos rising perfectly fits this. Literal story is about chaos inviting themselves over after the bugs got squashed and the magpies weakened.

[@Greebulous]

You can tell Pancreas got bodied by a CSM player one time and hasn't let go of that experience since

[@MiguelSanchezDelVillar]

Im going to say it, Zargothrax is a more succesfull chaos wizard than Magnus will ever be, i dont see any undead unicorns among the Thousand Sons

[@sev1120]

Zargothrax is also capable of independent time travel, can summon legions of demons with ease, and doesn't wallow in self pity.

[@gs4011]

A gloryhammer reference in the video and comments? Today is a good day indeed.

[@lucaballarati9694]

Zargothrax wins as a supervillain because he has no fear, no scruples, and no restraint. Magnus wishes he had the balls to destroy the entire galaxy just to get back at his nemesis

[@MiguelSanchezDelVillar]

​@@lucaballarati9694true, Zargothrax never quits, he always tries harder, just ask his nuclear clone, he made Dundee go kaboom

[@Dudenob123]

He still gets beaten by a drunk guy with an axe. HOOTSFORCE unite.

[@hangebza6625]

In WFB I really liked the background for Kurgan and Hung being basicly chaos Huns/Tartars/Mongolians. Too bad they never saw unique models despite being the most numerous cultures following chaos. Seeing hordes of hellish horsemem going Attila on the Empire would have been awesome.

[@giacomoromano8842]

So Pancreas, any chance for a Cities of Sigmar Do or Don't? I know they are very recent in terms of faction and that they were, more than anything, just created to glue and smash together all the leftovers from warhammer fantasy, but i believe they are truly coming in as their own in terms of lore. Also, a new battletome is arriving in a matter of months and it promises massive changes.

[@expanddongerydoo34]

I think he should wait until battletome and model refresh release before making that video.

[@samiamtheman7379]

I can tell one of the Tabletop downsides would be the more outdated models that got ported from Old World, even the pictures on the website showing the old square bases (dunno if they ship like that though). Hell, one of the models is literally just Karl Franz, but with a round base instead of a square one.

[@giacomoromano8842]

@@samiamtheman7379 also the fact that the army translated horribly from second to third edition. It was an army based on hordes of troops with varying quality and that relied on multiple +1 stacks on all their stats to be functional. Third edition literally capped both of those things, 3/5 of the tome units are literally unusable.

[@Vernon013]

Every single one of these videos is gold. Can't wait for the next one.

[@TheDeathwing5]

Technically if you wanted vikings in AoS, you can write a viking tribe for your Chaos faction.

[@jomar_sl]

Or, if you don't need them to be human, Ogor Mawtribes.

[@ce4879]

And Fyreslayers if you want Norse Fire Titan worshippers for your Vikings with dragons that aren’t just your ship figure heads.

[@shaggy5percent]

As a fellow t1 diabetic, your jokes make me laugh every time.

[@thehermitthetower1126]

I really dig this channel. Top tier work Mr.Pancreas.

[@crazyscotsman9327]

Blood for the blood god! Wait wrong army.

[@CarbonMage]

Well, you're a quarter right 😜

[@GameAnGrog]

The chorus of The Unicorn Invasion of Dundee by GloryHammer would be perfect for the Slaves to Darkness if not for the name of the song.

[@matthewyeldig4608]

24:38 I felt this on a personal level... The struggle was, is, and will likely be, too real!

[@thatfrog05]

The first step of pancreasnowork’s chaos journey

[@generalsmite7167]

I just thought about it and literally the only chaos primarchs who did not turn traitor because of daddy issues was Alpharius and Fulgrim. And Fulgrim still has daddy issues

[@ninnoofthelastunicorn]

What kills me about chaos is how inflexible they've become in their evil. I know that sounds like an odd complaint but I'm still one of those people who like to remind others how there's positives to each chaos gods and cry and cry and cry

[@elmine7707]

I like to think that the positives are just the vestiges of whatever nobility the follower originally had, only being tacked onto the god due to coping and seething

[@alextruecustodian6174]

I mean it is canon that many cultures worship the chaos gods unknowingly, ya just need to get a little creative with them Slaves to Darkness Army concept: A Order of Knights that worship the four Great Ones: Khrox, lord of Honour Courage and Battle, Slarh, Goddess of emotions, Norg master of life & death and Tzeer God of Cunning and Hope They protect the citizens and their empire, prioritizing kindness and loyalty. Admirable traits in any faction even though they indirectly feed Evil Gods, empower them and grant them a foothold in their realm. Gives an air of tragedy to otherwise 100% heroic faction that is pretty unique imo AoS is extremely flexible with homebrewing "your dudes" honestly

[@geeljire9247]

I used to think like you, but then i like the edge sometimes.

[@Prattical]

Damn though. Master Chief with daddy issues is scary

[@fairyqueentitania5080]

Finally a premiere when i have the day off 🎉

[@alanwake5239]

Additional tabletop downside, the chaos knights kit is push fit and also covered in spikes. This means it's painful to assemble and also broken up into bizarrely shaped, easily breakable pieces. Just go look at the sprue it's a mess

[@sssuperslayer25]

I love hearing you talk about fantasy and aos, especially armies. Once the new cities of sigmar updates come out could you do a video on them?

[@khorneflakes2175]

The intro was nostalgic my man do you remember these days when all we personally had from Primarchs was like two phrases written as remembrances buried in a codex ? IS the BG music age of mythology ? As far as the comparison between chaos worshipers' motivations between 40k and fantasy it's quite reductive, i mean Archaon became Archaon because of... daddy issues... you know... meanwhile Khârn "AM I NOT CHAOTIC ENOUGH FOR YOU".

[@Gitsy18]

Love your videos Pancreas! Keep up the good work, you've a great voice for narration. Thanks to this video specifically, it got me to convert to a Slaves to Darkness army for AoS. No regrets!

[@taOGrimace]

Slaves to darkness implies that there is an Interns to darkness.

[@x0lopossum]

6:20 LMAO 🤣 you kilt the Chaos Space Marines

[@newmemphisminis]

Evil for the sake of evil is always so much more fun. Plus it allows the heroes to go full chaotic good and kill, maim and electrocute the baddies with no moral ambiguity.

[@PoolNoodleGundam]

I play Slaves to Darkness because I enjoy playing as the good guys

[@milanmarkovic2721]

Don't firget that you can have your Chaos Lord be a evil bug muscle woman and have people simp for her.

[@scaryraptor5168]

WE! ARE THE MASTERS OF THE GALAXY! We’re the lords of space Dundee! The destroyers of reality, on a quest for all eternity!!!! What a shoutout, LOVE IT HERE

[@millburray6676]

Their line revamp is what singlehandedly got me into AoS

[@riokollivier]

Pancreas, AoS has its own version of Norsca, a frozen wasteland filled with barbarian tribes fighting each other to prove themselves, but Sigmar owns it. Hamilcar Bear-Eater comes from there.

[@meinraddreizacker5845]

Next “Do Or Don’t” should be either Dark Elves from WHFB or Vampire Counts/Coast

[@Gnomkiller2000]

You deserve the like for the whole vid but the last couple of seconds just made it worth it so much more

[@discountplaguedoctor88]

Great outro there, 10/10!

[@gabba-hey]

Warriors of Chaos/Slaves to Darkness do a good job of making Chaos feel like a cosmic evil. They were actively invading the Old World after having defeated countless others and went right back to doing it until the Age of Sigmar threw another speedbump in their way. Chaos space marines still motivated by their loss 10,000 years ago feels slow and takes away from the terrible power of the Dark Gods. Thousand Sons and Emperor's Children are still fun because so many of them have fully discarded their attachment to humanity and their past to bring ruin to the galaxy.

[@timothy2c]

I grew up in the frozen tundra of northern Canada and lost all the feeling to the tips of my fingers due to frostbite. Therefore I’m also immune to plastic spiky bits, but I’m not exactly going to become a hand model anytime soon.

[@dapperdarlingdm5723]

DUDE! Gloryhammer f**King rules! Going to be my boss music for my d&d campaign. Also, you are a funny guy. You package the lore in an interesting and engaging fashion. Look forward to your content in the future

[@cynicgamer12]

I know full well the pain of assembling chaos models lacerating my fingers. I’ve just come to accept it and pray to Nurgle the scabs form quickly.

[@DJTM]

Hearing Pancreas talk about finger sticks reminded me of an Irish guy who said his favorite day of the week was when his mom took his needles to the hospital for sharpening.

[@thechazz3230]

"Over in 40k at least one writer said chaos winning isn't a matter of if but when." That sounds like the words of a certain Daddyissues-Bowden downplaying anyone whos not his butt buddy Abaddon again.

[@jhonnoilcringeincarnato8593]

You do know it's the same thing for fantasy right? Ever heard of storm of chaos?

[@reservedcheese]

One more thing for your hurt rant. As an astartes abbadon probably has a cgm reader and pump built in. Also paint drukhari. They’re fiddly elves and spikey enough to show when your fingers heal from the lancet strikes

[@matthewyeldig4608]

"Perhaps the winner of this setting might just be the greenist of them all." Wutta drem dat iz...

[@drpretzel2086]

The new chaos knights putting those together makes me want to sell my soul to whatever dark powers will assemble them for me. Slaves to darkness you are a snuggle with a struggle

[@WaifuDaki]

Slaves to Darkness is also a sick Bolt Thrower album

[@bardssinisterstories2607]

If I ever get into AOS these guys are definitely for me, I like Vikings and Chaos is my favorite thing about Warhammer so these guys are right up my alley

[@JackzTheIcompetant]

Skaven are doofenshmirtz, slaves to darkness are Ivan the terrible

[@chickenborn7697]

I have a wonderful Slaves to Darkness army. They are themed as Knights in shining armor. (I removed most the spiky bits and sanded the helmets into nice, smooth versions. Painted with shining metals and royal blue colors. These are the older models.) With a horrifying secret of course! They are still Slaves to Darkness after all. For this reason, I actually much prefer the older versions of Chaos Warriors. Much easier to build into a uniform Legion of sorts.

[@ChaseDaOrk3767]

I'd like to see what your models look like. Also I've had an idea for a faction for my own setting concept, basically it's an Empire that had been corrupted by demonic lovecraftian horrors for a very long time, because of this this "Dark Empire" has become fully corrupted by evil and now seeks to bring doom and ruin to the entire world in the name of their dark Lord(s). They're basically what you get if the Alliance from World of Warcraft had been corrupted by the Chaos Gods from Warhammer and they are on a dark Crusade to rid the whole of heretics, unbelievers, &and everyone else who opposes them and their dark masters

[@shooey-mcmoss]

which secret? Simping for Slaani and chasing that unattinable phantom of perfection? wait why does that sound like idealogy of Empress of Light-

[@evanvalenta1898]

>Chaos Marines suck You tell 'em Sonny Jim >Elf simpery This one's goin' into the Book of Grudges

[@SaltySam34]

When’s the Tyrion video? You actually like the elves so I’d like to hear your opinion on his lore and stuff. He seems like a badass to me but everyone says he’s a shitter and idk why.

[@brainfreezzzze6900]

Thanks for that banger of the song!

[@onyx9935]

Can you make a do or don’t on tempestus scions? They’re one of my favorite groups in the game because they’re basically warhammer ODSTs

[@Johnaii_Steck]

PancreasNoWork is a based Gloryhammer enjoyer as well? This channel keeps getting better I'm glad I stuck around.

[@calumgibson8974]

Honestly, this was a VERY good explanation as to what it's like to use this faction. I am new to warhammer AOS and I am certainly looking at collecting the slaves to darkness. This video has definitely helped make my decision :)

[@gervasiomartins9148]

Loving this. I'm brand new to both 40k and your channel and, even with your bias, I think I'm gravitating to chaos. I am watching other channels, but yours is the most fun, and I would love if you did more chaos faction videos. Keep up the good and fun work. Boobs for the boob god!

[@pdthepowerdragon5412]

The virgin Perterabo vs The Chad Archaon

[@lukeamparo6586]

Is Cathay in Age of Sigmar? Would’ve wanted to see more of them.

[@mattvoll9094]

Sadly i don't think they are there is some asian inspired vampire warband though

[@gudboah4688]

We might see them as a supplement to cities of Sigmar once they come out in TOW.

[@hoshi314]

nope for now, might be revived as "not Cathay in name" in the future but for now the giant rats had a hand in their destruction

[@dx3217]

not as of the moment maybe in the future. Albeit Cathay did manage to escape via boats due to the ongoing overrun of orcs in the main land and japan or nippon in fantasy... AND THEN THE WORLD EXPLODED so um... wait and hope the dragon emperor pulled magic out of the void to save everyone?

[@cthulhubecausewhynot1182]

They were barely in Fantasy.

[@the_bubble1036]

Lmao the old school diabetic rant was 10/10 good stuff mr pancreas 👍🏼 thank you for the chuckles as always

[@t_hetty1758]

Now I want a great horned rat slaves of darkness faction. Just giant knights in rat themed armor.

[@chrisroberts7000]

PancreasNoWork: "I'm with Khorne..." Let him never forget the moment he sided with the Blood God.

[@SwordlordRoy]

They also happen to be one of the few armies in AoS who were able to fill the Cavalry-Heavy Bretonian Gap for the longest time.

[@ravendelacour1917]

"Blood for the Blood God!" *pricks finger with lancet*

[@toheekang174]

In WH40K: 1:NOOOOO THE EMPEROR HAVE BETRAYED US 2:SCREW IT, LET GIVE OUR SOUL TO THE DARK GODS In WHF/AOS: 1:Hey, I think the Dark Gods find it goofy when we burn down the children hospital 2:Yes

[@MyMomSaysImKeen]

I always dig the bg music in your video.

[@thecuriousanthropologist]

You win an Internet for the Gloryhammer reference. You are indeed a man of taste.

[@dank_smirk2ndchannel200]

5:58 Look at the 40K Chaos Space Marines. If you ask them why they turned on the Imperium, you’ll get all sorts of long-winded answers about honour and glory and treachery that boil down to daddy issues a good 90% of the time. The Horus Heresy, the epic saga of how 9 of the Primarchs turned against the Emperor, boils down to daddy issues. And I gotta be honest, that's a pretty lame reason to turn to the forces of hell. Meanwhile, the chad Red Corsairs: "I don't care who the Administratum sends, I'm not paying my taxes!"

[@DulleKruss]

Fuck yeah, this is exactly the video I’ve been waiting for 😍

[@matthewmiller257]

Poor Horned Rat wanting to be part of the Gods of Chaos club but even Nurgle thinks he smell-stink too bad to join.

[@thegamersconclave8709]

It seems that Evil is very subjective in Age of Sigmar. As in, I'm now going to subject you to my EVIL!!!

[@AdmiralxAvocado]

Archaon would turn Abbadon into chunky salsa in a 1v1

[@isuckatusernames4297]

holy shit, I did not expect a gloryhammer reference. that's pretty neat of you.

[@UGNAvalon]

“Chaos Warriors probably don’t know what the ladies like.” Slaanesh worshippers: _Angry hissing noises_

[@nick0875]

6:00 This is why I prefer the Chaos Space Marines who are from Successor Chapters that turned to Chaos instead of the Traitor Legions. The reason genetically engineered super soldiers are setting planets ablaze for the Dark Gods shouldn't boil down to Daddy Issues, once again the Horus Heresy books ruin everything.

[@trashynecromancer1155]

I had the prick and pen for like 4 years after i was diagnosed (got diagnosed really REALLY late). It's not nearly as long as you suffered, but I know the pain brother.