Space Engineers Experiments: Making A Ship With Hidden Thrusters By Testing Thruster Damage Range

Time to play around with thruster damage range so we can make future builds with hidden or internal thrusters. Thanks for the views!
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[@riebeckhearthian4948]

Everyone watching him compare ion in earths atmosphere:

[@PandemicPlayground]

LOL. Did a quick test in space for ION thrusters. Large Ion breaks 5 blocks ahead and the small one does 3 blocks ahead in space.

[@FizzDB]

Atmospheric damage range also varies with air density... you are rarely at 100% at a random surface spot, so the results here may not be correct either

[@smokecrash2147]

@@FizzDB but you probably will have to go to 100% air density when landing

[@adeep187]

Someone needs to make me a fucking Borg Cube asap.

[@trolly4233]

@@adeep187 I am working on one currently, will update you when done, it releases drones that it makes inside itself

[@ttvnotabot1199]

Thanks for the info now I can stop accidentally destroying my ships

[@jothamdaledejesus2708]

I've been making ships with hidden internal thurst for a year now. And in my opinion ships look aesthetically better without all the exposed thrusters. 😁

[@PeterBoddy]

You should try the Ion thrusters in space, as they will be more powerful. Though, I'm only near the halfway mark of the video.

[@PandemicPlayground]

They indeed do. 5 blocks in front for Large Ion and 3 for small Ion thruster.

[@PeterBoddy]

@@PandemicPlayground 1x1 (width & height) for the small, and 1x2 for the large?

[@anthonynewmaningressman]

Also on hydrogen, the tank was empty and would affect the small thruster on its burn, will test this when off work

[@Kunteki]

just a quick note, with the exception of ion thrusters and large grid atmospheric thrusters, you can get more thrust by using small thrusters for the same amount of blocks then large thrusters meaning you can make the module of thrusters a lot smaller when building internal thruster setups, though this generally come at a cost of a bit more weight and fuel/power cost

[@robertlaube574]

Making a borg cube, all internal thrusters.

[@CyrilNeko]

Painting blocks in checkboard may help a lot to count distances. Thank you for making this, very helpfull.

[@rebaav]

I've seen large grid thrusters enclosed using diagonal half blocks inside of what looks like the thruster plume but still leaving most of the brighter of the plume uncovered which i think worked because of the collision boundaries of the plume only reaching halfway into the blocks on the outside. Perhaps you could test that next?

[@PandemicPlayground]

I think I've seen something similar to what you are describing. Would be a fun test to see what objects work near or in front of the thruster fumes.

[@madcat789]

This was good, thank you.

[@proxy1359]

Out of the four large grid ship models I have made from scratch that are over 1k blocks, all of them have some internal thrusters. One model has no external thrusters, another has external forward, up, and down, and the other two only have exposed forward thrusters. (for the looks, and the extra thruster protection)

[@JeffreyBlakeney]

Large grid armour blocks can be damaged by the deformation of neighbouring armour blocks being broken. That is probably what happened with the corner blocks on your large hyrdrogen thruster test. Also, you can get this information from a handy mod called BuildInfo. It can show all sorts of information such as the damage area of thrusters as well as connectable faces, air tight faces and it can even tell you if grinding down a block will create two separate grids. The air leak finding function is fantastic as well. Haven't used all the features of this mod but here is the Steam Workshop page for it: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=514062285&searchtext=build+info

[@matthewgillespie1581]

Yeah. Build info tells you all this. Prob one of the best mods out there, and nearly every server uses it.

[@bennigek7196]

I mainly use it for finding airleaks. Sucks to look for them by hand.

[@knutzzl]

Nice idea. And with internal thrusters you can get into tight spaces without damaging them

[@PandemicPlayground]

Thanks.

[@Sinaduel]

Was working on something similar years ago, problems arise when you start trying to make it complete. You sacrifice vast quantities of interior space for thruster room, while at the same time making the whole ship body much much larger. The real problem is when you try to make it for a role, be it combat or mining, as the ship becomes extremely bulky very quickly, which adds mass, which requires thrust, so either you reach an underweight balancing act, or an oversized paperweight.

[@perah100]

another KZbinr did this test some time ago, he found that ions dose a lot more damage in space

[@MultiGamingNetwork03]

Splitsie

[@liquidgarfield8523]

Well yeah it produces alot more thrust in space

[@therealbahamut]

Fun fact: ion thrusters have a unique shape and a narrow enough plume that you can actually put them closer together if you offset the center of the thruster. You still have to be careful how your rotate them but it allows you to mess with the dimensions of your internal thrust cluster if you need a particular arrangement or just hate symmetry.

[@bloodkiss5631]

for all that are interested in usefull numbers: (may change abaout time) *At sea level* Large Grid: Ion Large = 1 Small = 1 Atmospheric Large = 3 Small = 1 1/2 Hydrogen Large = 6 Small = 2 Small Grid: Ion Large = 1 Small = 1 Atmospheric Large = 4 Small = 1 1/2 Hydrogen Large = 7 Small = 2 *In Space* Large Grid: Ion Large = 5 Small = 3 Atmospheric Large = 0 Small = 0 Hydrogen Large = 6 Small = 2 Small Grid: Ion Large = 4 Small = 1 1/2 Atmospheric Large = 0 Small = 0 Hydrogen Large = 5 Small = 2

[@twiddlerat9920]

Might integrate this concept into my fleet designs

[@charlobo4813]

Amazing video! I love ur style! Keep it up!

[@charlobo4813]

OMG I got the tiny heart!!!

[@drako7222]

That'll help protect the thrusters a lot thanks

[@Famusmatrix]

Thanks for the vid. I was going to say the same as of the other comments. I just ran the sim on the moon. Since ion can take more distance, I offer a rule of thumb, ion and atmo need the same distance, since atmo's are a block longer.

[@MultiGamingNetwork03]

"What is the damage distance for each thruster" I bookmarked Splitsies video on that. The following is from the video description of Splitsies video. Pandemic feel free to remove my comment if you disapprove of it. "Large Grid - Ion Large = 2 blocks, Small = 2 blocks Atmospheric Large = 5 blocks, Small = 2 blocks Hydrogen Large = 7 blocks, Small = 3 blocks Small Grid (Rounded up values): Ion Large = 3 blocks, Small = 2 blocks Atmospheric Large = 5 blocks, Small = 2 blocks Hydrogen Large = 9 blocks, Small = 3 blocks In Space: Large Grid - Ion Large = 5 blocks, Small = 4 blocks Hydrogen Large = 7 blocks, Small = 3 blocks Small Grid - Ion Large = 3 blocks, Small = 2 blocks Hydrogen Large = 5 blocks, Small = 3 blocks"

[@ulfricjenkins903]

its all about the wiff you know the wiffness of damage

[@RaulDiaz3d]

Love it!!!!

[@seemslegit6203]

My issue with hidden thrusters is that the light still leaks out through blocks

[@MrKaiyooo]

Add some spaced armour and it will look like intentional RGB

[@siiampisiika]

Well considering the fact that a small hydrogen thruster has roughly 100kN of thrust and the large one 500kN, you should just use 9 small ones on ships which also has the added benefit of only destroying 2 blocks infront of it.

[@mikewhitaker2880]

used to be that ion thrusters needed 4 blocks clearance for small thrusters and 6 blocks clearance for large.... grid size scaled appropriately....large thrusters also used to affect the full 2x3 area behind them for the full 6 block length...

[@sgt_retiredcharlie4102]

Did you ever design a ship around this idea? I'm thinking about a small grid transport with a decent amount of armament on it. I'm wondering how many small hydo thrusters it would take to be able to take off with one or two full large cargo containers. Great video though. Thanks for taking the time to make it. I know how long it takes to make and edit videos like this; I used to do YT myself. Shalom and keep Engineering!

[@PandemicPlayground]

Not really, mostly built it as a concept, but I might try it sooner or later

[@kipchickensout]

Very nice video, it kinda felt like it was a 10 minute video packed into 25 minutes, though

[@MakerJake101]

Last time I was this early- people just complained about Keen. Oh wait that’s *always*

[@adeep187]

your response is to come to a fresh video to complain about something thats not relevant to that video or comments.

[@QueueWithACapitalQ]

Ive always done 3x3 smalls on six sides facing inwards, ive looked at the thrust outputs and the 9 smalls thrust about as much as the 1 large but take up less space and dont shoot fire as far making them way more compact

[@suddenmuffin2571]

I'm curious about ions if 6 small ions equal 1 large

[@noixnoisette3873]

So, if you pressurize a room in the middle of your ship, can you use atmospheric thrusters in space ?

[@MurriciTerceiro]

Looks like a wonderful test to be made, the only problem being if you lose pressure you lose all your propulsion, until you can repressurize it.

[@caydenhester1310]

The ION test is invalid since it doesn't work well if at all in atmosphere

[@frankmartel5775]

You should do the test with blast door blocks as they do not deform and affect adjacent blocks

[@leandroatreides]

When building ships I always hide the thrusters or I leave only the flame part showing. I made a puddle jump like the one from Stargate Atlantis with Atmos and H2 thrusters all inside. I use it to go to space and search for ore and GSP them. Since the puddle jumper has retractable sides I put the H2 thrusters I need to exit Earth's atmosphere on them. So unless I'm going to space, I never need to open the retractable sides which is part of the original puddle jump from SG-A. And, once in space, I can close them again and search for my ores. With the sides closed it looks like a brick, lol, you can't even tell it has retractable sides or thrusters inside. As for thruster damage distance, I always take a look at this wiki page: www.spaceengineerswiki.com/Thruster

[@methodermis]

Try the BuildInfo mod to see 3d overlay of thruster damage zone

[@juleklO]

You’ve made an oopsie with the IONs. They don’t really make any thrust in the atmosphere due to the ions themselves colliding with the air. Therefore the ‘thrust beam’ couldn’t reach the blocks. You should retest the ions in a vacuum.

[@DaxterSnickers]

So when youre building a landing ship or drone the lift thruster should be at least 7 block of the landing pad. Also: I think and guess that the thrust of the inertial dampening is the strongest in therms of thrust power. I wonder if it extense the damage to blocks too.

[@CynewulfofWinland]

You should do non armor blocks to test with (like conveyor blocks) so they just delete instead of deform

[@themechatronicshobbyist3397]

This reminds my of the borg cube that i made, it had 9 large hydrogen thrusters on each side one the inside. I was scary fast

[@satorukuroshiro]

Should have tested the ion thrusters in space, their output is reduced significantly in atmosphere.

[@bubbacutright6910]

In the interest of complete unbiased to science theory this thesis should be tested in space as well.

[@mikeallenma78]

Very informative. Could've gone quicker if you would've just gone ahead and removed the blocks taking damage to see if the next one might.

[@HGUIGAMES]

If u you put tubes instead of the small box conveyor like, you may see reduction in weight.

[@uncleweirdbeard86]

I have always heard them called thruster boxes. I put as many in my ships as I can fit

[@karanveer580]

What about half blocks? And inverted slanted blocks?

[@Noah-vi8zb]

The hudrogen thruster burns like that all the way from it to the end. And in the middle of the corners you can have half blocks 15:57

[@Noah-vi8zb]

It was all the block damage that made blocks get destroyed where it won’t get destroyed buy a thruster flame

[@ttpechon2535]

One of my first builds was a modified fighter that you get on the red ship world, and alot of the versions had an ion thruster facing a reactor........

[@suddenmuffin2571]

Oh no....

[@GMEGUTTERMAN]

it needs 3 blocks of clear space. there you go 25 mins saved.

[@johnbastion747]

I prefer to have hydro thrusters internally while ion/atmos thrusters are outside.

[@KelbPanthera]

Probably should've tested the ions in space to see if there was a difference.

[@andre.ramos.1234]

the silver color looks amazing? where did you get that?

[@PandemicPlayground]

Should be from one of the dlc, bit can't remember which at this point

[@CMDROldDuck]

I'm thinking you could weaponize that large thruster by making it the nose of a missile that latches onto your enemy and then burns him up.

[@Charlottemoore]

It would just push away, you'd need to add a landing gear or more thrusters pushing towards in which case that's not a cheap missile so probably isn't worth it

[@therealbahamut]

A grinder works better for that particular style of attack and it requires at least one landing gear to hold on to the target.

[@kevinmoore4916]

Aye now your thinking like me a space Pirate ☠ mate send a will call it a breaching Missile lol

[@Charlottemoore]

@@kevinmoore4916 should add seats on the inside for boarding

[@tyty8484]

5:20 so it breaks a 3x3 small or 1x1 large block radius

[@crazydriver570]

The mod Buildinfo can show thruster thrust distance as well as many other very useful things. steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=514062285

[@morlanius]

Your data is off because a block will be damaged if a block next to it explodes. you need to add a single block at the various distances and see if the engine damages it.

[@jakubbaco]

go try ION truster in space ( power on planet is only 20% )

[@tricky_guy1]

the thruster flames are doing a cross over

[@isaacking8207]

And you used heavy armour ont the light armour to test the big grid thrusters

[@nelsonrush9927]

Wifffffff😂

[@thephoenixknight9087]

large hydrogren distance is 7 blocks. small is 2 blocks

[@cheesejuice_]

why havent you utilize / and \ ??

[@btCharlie_]

8:50 - are you sure you had enough power for both the large and small atmospheric thruster to be at full thrust? That fume line was awfully tiny... Also, ions have very limited thrust in atmosphere.... you know, on top of the fact it probably doesn't have enough power 😂

[@PandemicPlayground]

Yeah it had enough power. I added a bunch more batteries just now to make sure and it didn't break more blocks. Ion thrusters did in space though. 5 for Large thruster and 3 for small.

[@btCharlie_]

@@PandemicPlayground nice. Thx for following up!

[@jkirkwood2018]

i dont think you took into account the damage exploding blocks cause. try it again adding the blocks in a line toward the thrusters

[@isaacking8207]

I on thrusters are meant for space not on planets and he’s testing it on a planet so it might come out different when it’s in space

[@adeep187]

its about block damage... that doesn't change with gravity.

[@nickstonehenge]

Or just turn it Off for Performance

[@seanmcdonald5859]

Yes, SE has broken physics.

[@kevinmoore4916]

Oy mate you do know ion thrusters don't really work well in atmosphere right? Your test is wrong im afraid. Test them is space so you don't get yelled at by fans for missing this. Lol Nice ship by the way I think you have given me a few ideas as well.

[@TheH8redd]

Is it just me? but I hear IRON thrusters instead of ION... Unless I'm still sleeping... :/

[@elementalblaze79]

I hate to say this but your ion thruster test is invalid due too ion thrusters have less power in atmosphere! You should redo the ion thruster test in space!

[@ph11p3540]

Your test timing is way too short. Further away blocks can take over 5 and 10 minutes to manifest damage. This is why I follow the 4 (Small) and 8 block(large) rule of design and that included lightly damage blocks

[@kurmis999]

Why to make 100+ video abaut thruster damage? All this is long time ago fully tested

[@angelusmortis3256]

with updates things change... like oxygen for example never used to exist in the game now it does... imagine that a game developer making updates and changing a game...

[@toxic_gamer2014]

You dint test it in space.

[@truezulu]

Very interesting tests. Extremely annoying, completely unnecessarily slow presentation... Why the unnecessarily longwinded explanations?!? I lasted half the vid. Then I couldnt stand it anymore...

[@tackytrooper]

This is in my opinion the dumbest exploit in the game, and I judge people that make ships like this, hard.

[@ScratchAOE2777]

You must be really fun at parties.

[@draconisthewyvern3664]

@@ScratchAOE2777 to be fair that does go against physics but it would be a pain to try and program

[@tackytrooper]

@@draconisthewyvern3664 IMO the thruster damage model also needs some refinement, and should be conditional, so vectored thrust can be possible. Maybe someday a modder will do it, I doubt Keen will.

[@adeep187]

nobody gives a singular fuck about you "judging" them "hard"... lmfao