Panini now sends you THESE NEW PACKS instead of your REDEMPTIONS...?! 🤨

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Packman

Packman

9 ай бұрын

I am opening 10 Redemptions Sparkle Packs of 2022-23 Panini Prizm NBA Basketball for our next collectible sports trading card pack unboxing/product review! These new packs are given out by Panini Customer Service in exchange for unfulfilled low-mid tier $10-15 redemptions from 2010-2019. Each pack currently resells in the $50-60 range. Expect 3 exclusive Sparkle parallels per pack (2 Red Sparkles and 1 numbered Sparkle parallel per pack). These packs come with chances at pulling Prizm rookie cards of the top players from the 2022 NBA Draft Class, exclusive SSP Sparkle parallels (Blue /144, Gold /24, Green /8) featuring the NBA's top rookies/stars/HOFers, rookies of Paolo Banchero, Jalen Williams, Bennedict Mathurin, Chet Holmgren, Jabari Smith Jr., Keegan Murray, & Jaden Ivey, and more! You can get these for yourself from Panini Customer Service and online retailers/sellers. Good luck if you try one for yourself!
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@PackmanCards
@PackmanCards 9 ай бұрын
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@the3goodlemons
@the3goodlemons 9 ай бұрын
Quit FEEDING THE beast that is PANINI.. None of the cards today are worth what they charge.. PERIOD..
@howtofromatoz7954
@howtofromatoz7954 9 ай бұрын
I’ve learned so much about the hobby. I use to collect when I was a kid. My dad use to take me to LCS for a few packs and sometime I would get lucky and get a box of Proset lol. I wanted to get into ripping boxes on zzz YT for fun. What equipment do you need? Would you do a behind the scenes footage? It would be greatly appreciated. @PackmanCards
@darkmatter69420
@darkmatter69420 9 ай бұрын
All these collectors need to grow some balls and sue panini for scamming customers. You could have a redemption that they still have, but they'll send you this instead of digging through their own mess for it. They've even got plenty of high dollar cards being backdoored. So an employee could steal my redemption, and all I get is a random pack with no guaranteed value? It's complete BS. They need to be sued beyond belief. Edit: guess I should specify class action lawsuit, since so many people think I'm talking about Individuals suing over their $10 redemptions... which is just ridiculous, and would never gain traction. But thousands of people as a collective? Now we're cooking with gas.
@TherosSoultaker
@TherosSoultaker 9 ай бұрын
THIS!!!! RIGHT HERE!!! LOOK EVERYONE! There is a fellow collector who understands the situation and knows the correct action to take. Pull your heads out of the sand and stand up for yourselves!!!
@toualee1430
@toualee1430 9 ай бұрын
Panini could give a f about its consumers.
@TherosSoultaker
@TherosSoultaker 9 ай бұрын
@@toualee1430 which is exactly why they should be put out of business.
@darkmatter69420
@darkmatter69420 9 ай бұрын
@TherosSoultaker it's just so weird to me that no lawfirm has jumped on this mountain yet. They're breaking contracts yearly that they make with the customer on purchase. If I purchased a redemption, and I submitted my redemption years ago. It should be held to the standards that panini held at that time. If I pull a redemption now, sure, white sparkle pack, who cares. But if I had a kobe auto waiting for 10 years. I expect whatever the protocol was 10 years ago to be what they use for my card! They're literally lying to people in a gambling space. While casino's are scum and use everything to their favor. They never cheat you directly, because it puts them at risk of being sued into oblivion for falsifying odds. Panini actively falsified odds on a gambling product and promotes it to kids! They're huge pieces of shit. Worst company to ever hit the card scene.
@JP-rg1yj
@JP-rg1yj 9 ай бұрын
Idk if it's actually what's going on, but he's saying they're giving these in exchange for $10-15 redemptions. Seems like a fair enough trade
@Pete-zq3dc
@Pete-zq3dc 9 ай бұрын
You bought searched packs that's why they were all /199. You can use your fingernail and feel the numbering on the back of the pack with no need to open it. Don't buy these on the secondary market unless you are happy with /199. Panini was dumb enough to make is easy for people
@BengalBuckeye
@BengalBuckeye 9 ай бұрын
Ya that's an extremely rookie mistake by Panini. That's like selling single packs that have RPA chances without any chance of a filler.
@ryanj7956
@ryanj7956 9 ай бұрын
100%, came here to say the same. I think they could also put a piece of paper on top of the pack and shade with a pencil to see the outline of the numbering. Terrible decision by panini to put the numbered card on the outside.
@joemcglone7267
@joemcglone7267 9 ай бұрын
You are correct sir!
@WhosWatchingWhat
@WhosWatchingWhat 5 ай бұрын
😂😂 the fact you think you can actually use your fingernail and “feel” the number when you have no feeling in your fingernails lmao
@jimhalpert4959
@jimhalpert4959 3 ай бұрын
You can absolutely feel with your fingernails. There is a layer of dermis under them that relays nerve signals to the brain. Maybe you have dead nerve endings. lol@@WhosWatchingWhat
@JeremyGraczyk
@JeremyGraczyk 9 ай бұрын
Same thing happened to me, 5 packs only 1 red rookie (Ochai). Pretty convinced whoever distributed these knew where the rookie packs were, and the rest were sold to us plebs
@user-dv6dg5gu6d
@user-dv6dg5gu6d 9 ай бұрын
How does Panini not have a class action against them
@OleLockAndKey
@OleLockAndKey 9 ай бұрын
Because we're the same cowards that allowed our government to shut down our country for the flu 2.0
@yongwilson929
@yongwilson929 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for taking one for the team bro! Mahalo for the effort and yes, someone got to those packs…unreal! No rookies????
@JromBunders
@JromBunders 9 ай бұрын
Panini needs to get sued this is literally such BS imagine how many people have waited for redemptions worth WAY more than these bogus packs worth probably less than 20 bucks this is just disappointing
@jaywilliams5473
@jaywilliams5473 9 ай бұрын
Ouch. It's almost like these packs were ripped then resealed with the worst cards possible.
@jc.cards8
@jc.cards8 9 ай бұрын
Pretty sure they were
@Snickerszn
@Snickerszn 9 ай бұрын
I would love to see the foil they are packed in. I have got resealed packs like these.
@porkchopexpress6890
@porkchopexpress6890 9 ай бұрын
Damn that was tough to see lol 😂 Only cards I liked were Tim Duncan, Vince Carter, Dominique Wilkins and Patrick Ewing. I’ll take that Tim Duncan tho lol 😂
@stevef7782
@stevef7782 9 ай бұрын
Brutal. Thanks for the vid
@anthonylong5870
@anthonylong5870 9 ай бұрын
These packs made me want to punch my own face for watching them be opened LOL
@KryptaKnight777
@KryptaKnight777 9 ай бұрын
I like that Jovic sparkle!! 💥
@OPTexas
@OPTexas 9 ай бұрын
Email them about some replacements been pending since 2020 . This was their response. Due to the pandemic, we are experiencing a backlog in fulfilling requests. Please bear with us as we are actively working on getting your tickets processed as soon as possible. As soon as there are updates, we will reach out to you immediately. 😂
@BengalBuckeye
@BengalBuckeye 9 ай бұрын
OMG 😂
@ssj-gr1co14
@ssj-gr1co14 9 ай бұрын
Mail?
@stevenpajk4554
@stevenpajk4554 9 ай бұрын
Seriously THE WORST customer service ever! They don’t care. Enjoy being out of a job soon! Kharma is a b*****!!
@OPTexas
@OPTexas 9 ай бұрын
@@BengalBuckeye yeah 😂 3 Years later , Funny how many products they can pump in the same time frame tho. Not sure how they get backlogged.
@love4allsports
@love4allsports 9 ай бұрын
Is it just me or did you see writhing in the Dominique Wilkins when he had it upside down
@JoeGutters-wl3nt
@JoeGutters-wl3nt 6 ай бұрын
Love these
@atx0025
@atx0025 9 ай бұрын
I felt like I had come up with my panini redemptions. Traded in 4 lower cards(Chase college rpa, trevon walker /99 from select, etienne /199 from black, quay walker neon orange /30) for a Fields NT booklet. I felt great until the season started 😂
@PackmanCards
@PackmanCards 9 ай бұрын
Still a big W trade!
@ac1dblack
@ac1dblack 9 ай бұрын
I guess if I had to choose between not ever receiving anything or getting one of these packs, I'd take the pack. They seem rough, though, so maybe I'd just sell it.
@midmadden70
@midmadden70 9 ай бұрын
would u buy a box with redemptions in it going forward when this is what will happen tho?
@ac1dblack
@ac1dblack 9 ай бұрын
@@midmadden70 It wouldn't make me more likely to buy them, that's for sure.
@PackmanCards
@PackmanCards 9 ай бұрын
Yea I definitely think selling is the way to go imo
@Dave-gn4qd
@Dave-gn4qd 9 ай бұрын
The NFL white sparkles have been fire on other breaks
@howtofromatoz7954
@howtofromatoz7954 9 ай бұрын
@PackmanCards I’ve learned so much about the hobby from your videos. I use to collect when I was a kid. My dad use to take me to LCS for a few packs and sometime I would get lucky and get a box of Proset lol. I wanted to get into ripping boxes on zzz YT for fun. What equipment do you need? Would you do a behind the scene video?
@crayonman3985
@crayonman3985 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for that review on Allen and ginter I bought 3 boxes bc I forgot how fun that product was and got a perfectly centered Nadal auto black frame /25
@PackmanCards
@PackmanCards 9 ай бұрын
Insane hit! Congrats!!!
@robglobal1
@robglobal1 9 ай бұрын
I'm waiting on redemntions over a year now but all it shows is an option to redeem for points? The cards are low numbered bol and rui autos and a cracked ice hayes contenders auto...I'd rather have the cards than these packs but what do you think?
@retailripperz
@retailripperz 9 ай бұрын
Have 2 lower end redemptions been waiting on since December. Those were rough.
@O.TownMagic
@O.TownMagic 9 ай бұрын
Those look resealable they open so easy and clean
@partiger123
@partiger123 9 ай бұрын
I just pulled a 1on1 tty washtion lucky from a other set how much do you think its worth
@andrewl6136
@andrewl6136 9 ай бұрын
you say in the bgining on the first pack that the blue card felt thick... what if green or gold feel a bit thicker and there is a way to tell?
@pokeman6543
@pokeman6543 9 ай бұрын
The numbered card is on the back you could feel the number dimples easy to find out.
@PackmanCards
@PackmanCards 9 ай бұрын
Yea I wish they put the numbered card in the middle or put a filler of some sort
@RawGradeFlip
@RawGradeFlip 9 ай бұрын
I wonder if you could feel the serial number on the back? At least feel if it is 3 digits for a blue or less for the others and search that way. Might be wary in purchasing off eBay.
@BengalBuckeye
@BengalBuckeye 9 ай бұрын
Ya for sure. It would take some slow and steady attempts but has to be possible.
@jeffreythomas7466
@jeffreythomas7466 9 ай бұрын
very possible, these were def searched @@BengalBuckeye
@Saltmydishbartender
@Saltmydishbartender 9 ай бұрын
Multicolor Sparkle Pack Odds: 1 # Color Per Pack 144(Blue)+24(Gold)+8(Green)= 176 176x300(Cards in base set) =52,800 81.8% Chance of a Blue 13.6% Chance of a Gold 4.5% Chance of a Green If the Red Sparkles were numbered, they would be /352 Or They are numbered /350 and 600 packs have 2 color (1.1%)
@litercola1077
@litercola1077 9 ай бұрын
Woooo!!!! a new packman video!!!
@ScottyMania313
@ScottyMania313 9 ай бұрын
Man, that was a rough one, but I like the Dominique Wilkins color match. Them Panini packs from National were pretty bad too. Man oh man. Still fun to watch you on commentary.
@boyenjoy883
@boyenjoy883 9 ай бұрын
Cool packs 🎉
@leonardhollerbach9806
@leonardhollerbach9806 9 ай бұрын
I’ve been waiting for my Ja Morant 2020-21 penmanship auto for a year and a half now… I WANTS IT STILL!!!!!
@rodennis418
@rodennis418 9 ай бұрын
That was almost as rough as Monopoly boxes
@claytonjayne4713
@claytonjayne4713 9 ай бұрын
Those packs can be cherry picked. It’s actually pretty easy. I’m surprised you haven’t figured it out. 🤪
@metaversedomo
@metaversedomo 9 ай бұрын
Soooooo glad Panini is on the way out the door! This is horrendous
@xForbin99
@xForbin99 9 ай бұрын
The start of Panini Redemptiongate
@TheHapaOne
@TheHapaOne 9 ай бұрын
I'm waiting to see how many they send for my Rookie Auto Draymond...I'm hoping it's not just 1 pack since that card is worth a bit more than $15
@iane2353
@iane2353 9 ай бұрын
Pulled a Gold to /24 Jabari Smith Jr, Paolo Banchero Red in the same pack, and a Stephen Curry Gold out of /24 in another pack.
@sgc1999
@sgc1999 9 ай бұрын
pretty sweet!!!
@eastgate_6759
@eastgate_6759 9 ай бұрын
Nice video. Rough overall with a few wins. Better than a meh redemption
@snerdterguson
@snerdterguson 9 ай бұрын
The problem, is that many redemptions are meh now, but would have been of decent value back when you SHOULD have received your cards. 100% there are people who could have sold their card for a few hundred back in 2020 that now is worth $15 or less. Half of making money off of cards is in timely selling, and if you have to wait years for a card, you miss your window. This happened to me. I had a redemption that was selling for $85-$125 back in 2020 that today is maybe a $30 card. Moral.of the story: F Panini, stop giving them any money.
@abramjones2586
@abramjones2586 9 ай бұрын
I am going to buy a hobby box of basketball cards!!! But can you please tell me which on I should buy?!?
@koltonohnstad8849
@koltonohnstad8849 6 ай бұрын
Is this similar for NFL redemptions? I’m getting a replacement sent to me and it just says the Type is pack and the Program is 2022 NFL Prizm (Qty-1)
@user-vz6es9ty5q
@user-vz6es9ty5q 9 ай бұрын
I need those 3 Warriors cards!!
@AdamP-mg4ou
@AdamP-mg4ou 9 ай бұрын
The Blue's are giving me the Blues. Thanks Panini!
@lalilulelo
@lalilulelo 9 ай бұрын
Well...at least Daniel Theis is a FIBA World champ.
@Darbobski
@Darbobski 9 ай бұрын
Thank goodness all my redemtions came back fulfilled.
@82mprosen
@82mprosen 9 ай бұрын
I've never seen anyone make up the cost of the sparkle packs. I think they have to be like 95% misses
@Mikey_J_75
@Mikey_J_75 6 ай бұрын
Throw these in the pile with the Wal-Mart MJ Holdings mystery boxes 😂😂
@kingufos
@kingufos 9 ай бұрын
so crap you got him back to back lol
@AjayDoesntMiss
@AjayDoesntMiss 9 ай бұрын
these look good
@ATR_cardsandbreaks
@ATR_cardsandbreaks 9 ай бұрын
Are you selling that Dalen Terry? Lol
@theronquishow5837
@theronquishow5837 9 ай бұрын
Back to back Daniel Theis blue is just criminal
@day1savage
@day1savage 9 ай бұрын
🎉🎉🎉🎉 tuff round
@iknewitbeforeyoudid
@iknewitbeforeyoudid 9 ай бұрын
This is a huge dub.. a yuuuuuuge dub
@taylorbates5669
@taylorbates5669 9 ай бұрын
So panini just cheaped out even more? It costs them almost nothing to print a card. But to get the autograph for the redemption costs money. It’s time to stop buying panini until they actually appreciate their customers.
@jeffreythomas7466
@jeffreythomas7466 9 ай бұрын
right, they just made up some bullshit and said here and oh...yeah they say only redemptions that are "10-15$" value for these ,right? But then they turn around and will value your 75$ redemption as a 15$ one....panini is playing everyone, glad their bout to be gone. kick rocks panini.
@joemarsh2050
@joemarsh2050 9 ай бұрын
Hitman was buying these at the national and was doing pack wars
@tcgcollect_hh
@tcgcollect_hh 9 ай бұрын
Broo is the wendell moore for sale?😁
@naththoau
@naththoau 9 ай бұрын
For the last couple years I have not received return in redemption as most have converted to 150 points instead of fulfill it and send it back to me, that is crap from Panini! Very unfair to many collector too!
@jeffdegrande2620
@jeffdegrande2620 9 ай бұрын
Cool cards
@constipatedinsincity4424
@constipatedinsincity4424 9 ай бұрын
Good luck 🤞
@SparkyD313
@SparkyD313 9 ай бұрын
So the Jaden Ivey redemption I just bought is worthless?? Or still redeemable? It expires in March 2025
@RazzleDazzle23
@RazzleDazzle23 9 ай бұрын
Well, Theis at least owns a gold medal now
@michaelengland6534
@michaelengland6534 9 ай бұрын
I got 2 auto redemption from 2012 Crown Royale. I late dec 2022 I got one1 sparkle pack. In jan 2023 I got a 2nd pack. No autos and 10 yrs late.
@allisterhall
@allisterhall 9 ай бұрын
Good video but the packs rather have the redemption it's worth more cause if u take a chance and miss its over!!!!
@206tomycity5
@206tomycity5 9 ай бұрын
The math isn’t mathing there lol
@iknewitbeforeyoudid
@iknewitbeforeyoudid 9 ай бұрын
I think leaf flash makes the best cards.. always centered.. perfect condition... you'd think the higher end cards would have those qualities but nooooooo
@willcallahan8984
@willcallahan8984 9 ай бұрын
Great video , panini strikes again
@RussellCardShop
@RussellCardShop 9 ай бұрын
I like the sparkles, but I don’t think it’s worth a lot of the redemptions they’re exchanging them for
@gordonkohegyi2589
@gordonkohegyi2589 9 ай бұрын
Wow bro I can’t believe all blues
@andrewl6136
@andrewl6136 9 ай бұрын
so nice we got theis twice
@jettsburgh
@jettsburgh 9 ай бұрын
Joe Ingles 🗣️🗣️🗣️
@michaelj2285
@michaelj2285 9 ай бұрын
I see a class action lawsuit about to break out. Using the pandemic at this time is no excuse. I had a panini service rep tell me over the phone athlete's are not signing. I've been waiting on Julio rodriguez to /25 and they said.. he's not signing
@davidmarion3119
@davidmarion3119 9 ай бұрын
I feel like your packs were searched through and resealed brother I got got fine white Sparkle packs I bought five from one guy and they were all tampered with and I could never find them again on eBay
@davidmarion3119
@davidmarion3119 9 ай бұрын
I agree I would sue them for all redemptions that never come this is getting to be ridiculous with them
@andrewmatthews2645
@andrewmatthews2645 9 ай бұрын
Rookies are 1 in 6, its crazy we've opened 6 and only got one rookie?
@andrewmatthews2645
@andrewmatthews2645 9 ай бұрын
3 rookies in 10 packs! You beat the odd!! Math baby!!
@PapaLu08
@PapaLu08 9 ай бұрын
This is how a company takes your valuable cards and gives you a pack of nothingness. Sounds like something our government would do.
@rileymeinke8419
@rileymeinke8419 9 ай бұрын
Nah because the people would actually react, I stopped buying cards years ago but the people that do still spend 1k on sparkle cardboard that’s damaged and off centered and don’t do anything lmao it’s a joke tbh glad I don’t buy boxes anymore
@christophervalentin1486
@christophervalentin1486 9 ай бұрын
People crap on leaf, but when it comes to redemptions they make sure they are fulfilled. Just ask CeeDee lamb
@dougfredericks4733
@dougfredericks4733 9 ай бұрын
😮 go big 😎 hi for HRM NS Canada 🍁
@Skippysportscards
@Skippysportscards 9 ай бұрын
How can i buy that ant??
@mitchelrichard7698
@mitchelrichard7698 9 ай бұрын
Is the Ingram on your arena club?
@setho9642
@setho9642 9 ай бұрын
Not the worst thing ever, because you are still getting short prints... But, the math doesn't add up. Between all the blues that you got, and who knows the value of the redemptions that were given up. Very easy to feel slighted, opening these.
@presidentsuper2k896
@presidentsuper2k896 9 ай бұрын
I pulled an /8 Chris Paul
@natescards7
@natescards7 9 ай бұрын
day 55 of asking packman for a whole collection video
@zacharywalters8139
@zacharywalters8139 9 ай бұрын
51/49....more like 65/35
@AndrzLP
@AndrzLP 9 ай бұрын
World Champion Theis
@howievision
@howievision 9 ай бұрын
Brutal. At least they look good. 🤷🏻‍♂️
@LazzerRuz
@LazzerRuz 9 ай бұрын
Good luck
@jasonchampagne3520
@jasonchampagne3520 9 ай бұрын
I have a Derek Henry out of 5 redemption I have been waiting for since April, they better not send me those packs.
@deanmiller2134
@deanmiller2134 9 ай бұрын
Feels like a big L--trading autographs for non-autographs
@Steph4DaWin30
@Steph4DaWin30 9 ай бұрын
Panini Vet Sparkle packs 😅
@konadog8696
@konadog8696 9 ай бұрын
When is the Jalen giveaway
@joemcglone7267
@joemcglone7267 9 ай бұрын
Definitely searched. Never buy these on secondary
@natelizzle4731
@natelizzle4731 4 ай бұрын
Just for testing, I took my two packs and laid a piece of notebook paper on the back foil and lightly shaded it to see if I could tell... You 💯 percent can !!! I traced a /199 and an /8 clear as day. Have pics with a warning on my Facebook. Wish I could add it here. Sadly there will always be scumbags in every hobby/profession. I imagine this is exactly what the seller did to packman which is fkn dispicable
@natelizzle4731
@natelizzle4731 4 ай бұрын
I opened both, pulled a RC jovik to /8 and an ant man (non rook) to /199
@mikeyesperito-lopez8293
@mikeyesperito-lopez8293 4 ай бұрын
Can you just tell me how to use the panini points?
@urmailman
@urmailman 9 ай бұрын
Red Curry was best pull 🤷‍♂️🫠
@josephedwards3579
@josephedwards3579 8 ай бұрын
they sold off the good stuff to their buddies on one of the first run!!
@perdue22
@perdue22 9 ай бұрын
do we know why they wouldn't have the card... isn't that the point of Redemption cards.. for them to send it to u
@hunterbell2066
@hunterbell2066 9 ай бұрын
Lame packs but that Trip and Baneski looking nice back there. Fellow Grizz fan here as well. You think we can stay afloat in the west before 12 gets back?
@PackmanCards
@PackmanCards 9 ай бұрын
I think & hope so! Hoping bane and jjj can get off to a hot start with the additional looks & then keep it up when we got the full squad
@patrickbaklava7297
@patrickbaklava7297 9 ай бұрын
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@PauPauPauPauPauPau
@PauPauPauPauPauPau 9 ай бұрын
u just need to feel the beveled number of each pack...
@ilikemyowncomments9065
@ilikemyowncomments9065 9 ай бұрын
What's the thoughts? Ripping for rookies? Of course, it's a massive risk. The only people that make money are the resellers...and the 3,664 ppl that pulled bangers...(btw, that's madeup math) Edit: it's Friday, too typsy to type...bar much?
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