Pantheon.. A work of Brilliance that exceeded expectations! (Season 2 Breakdown + Review)

[@malclmhexed5978]

Thank you for giving Pantheon the praises it deserves, words can’t describe how much I love this show. Season 2 was a masterclass of writing the ending kind of reminded me of Netflix’s dark. I hope all the work thats been put into this pays off tremendously because it feels like no one’s talking about this show.

[@onLinkage]

pantheon get a 9.9 out 0f 10 this show went above and beyond my exceeded my expectation season 2 was a blast, my leap of faith is i wish for a season 3, or at least requal

[@twoonswig3667]

@@onLinkagewhat would a s3 even look like? Wouldn’t mess around with something which resolved so perfectly, even if the world would be fun to explore at points

[@dariencantu6096]

​@@user-ow4sd4cr2s I think it comes to the theoretical technology like the matrioshka sphere if you can make one the possibilities are endless especially with UI inside said thing, she said herself its a simulation probably, and asked how much energy a 2nd chance at evolution could possibly cost, which is quantifiable and awesome

[@nthnglsn]

Haven't seen dark but the ending made me think of interstellar.

[@twoonswig3667]

@@nthnglsn honestly watch dark it’s a slow burn but it’s incredible

[@papertigerworkshop1174]

I just want to point out: Caspian is barely 18, not in his 20s. In a Holstrom flashback, we see the night he turned 18 and how his girlfriend, who suspiciously looks like Hannah from season 1, died in a horrific car crash. So, it leads me to think that, perhaps, Caspian's Hannah was actually about to get murdered by Logorhythms.

[@thegeekweek]

Someone had brought this to my attention, and yes! That was exactly what they were planning to do which is so awful 😢

[@TJThePerson]

The actions justify the means, at least that's what holstrom's cult would say-

[@triadwarfare]

So... Caspian's a PDF. Then again, had he not "did the thing", he would not have a legacy to leave behind after he uploaded. Then again, laws are laws.

[@alexandrev4569]

+ Dave, who's 18, is shocked when he sees his dad, Caspian, and says something like "he's 2 years younger than me !"

[@ievaday]

@@alexandrev4569 I'm pretty sure Dave Jr is 20, as he would have had to wait one year until age 21 so that he could upload to the cloud without Maddie's consent

[@johnnynovick5597]

the reason it feels rushed is we are running at "human" speeds. the pacing of the story is used to enforce the plot point of the difference between the world of ui/ci and human. imo at least

[@thegeekweek]

Now that is a really great way to look at it that makes so much sense!

[@shreyam1008]

How is that this show has so less following. This was some high level writing, animation and characters.

[@thegeekweek]

It’s absolutely mind boggling!! This show is Fantastic!!

[@farquezy]

It's not on any streaming platforms

[@123SmileFiona]

GOOD once the mainstream finds something…

[@shreyam1008]

but the sad part is. with the mainstream media exposure the series could have gotton season 3 like it originally planned, and didnt have to condense 2 season worth of story in 1 season. The UI world of the furute and all was planned for a whole new season. Pros and cons i guess. @@123SmileFiona

[@stackflow343]

No one's talking about it because it's a mess with poor animation trying too hard to be clever

[@zerosevenanimation]

The show wasn't changed because it was cancelled. Cancellation wasn't even something on our radar while we were finishing up season 2. We didn't even know the show was cancelled until it was reported in the trades around Christmas time, right after production wrapped.

[@thegeekweek]

Oh wow, thank you for the clarification!! And whoever thought it was a good idea to cancel this show should’ve been arrested 😭😭. Thank you so much for this work of art!!!

[@imasimpwhatofit7140]

Wait, so without a cancellation, would there have been a season 3? And why was it cancelled? But before you answer, holy crap, thank you so much for your contribution to this masterpiece!! I’m not joking when I say that I have so much love in me for this show 🤍

[@apollospyrol7168]

Just curious why didn’t you do a timeskip for the ages doesnt that mean a 18 yr old got a 14-15 yr old pregnant?

[@kiidkif2009]

​@@apollospyrol7168yea my eyes were squint everytime i saw them kiss and then lit open when she was pregnant i even head snacked🤦🏾‍♂️

[@thegeekweek]

Yeah I’m definitely going to need some clarification here as well

[@alexroodman4318]

Cary was in fact in S2, he was the bearded guy hanging out in Norway trying to protect Caspian from a distance. He pretended to be a fresh fish vendor to warn Caspian that Pope was using him, he drove Caspian and Maddie out of the cube to the plane, and I don't remember him showing up again. Ring any bells?

[@thegeekweek]

Someone mentioned that in the comments! Cary was a legend!!

[@whynaut1]

As someone who *has* read all the short stories that Pantheon is based on, the cartoon actually adds waaay more than the stories

[@thegeekweek]

Someone else had said something similar! How many short stories are there in total? I also heard that the stories follow different characters, but I’m not sure if that’s true

[@whynaut1]

@@thegeekweek There are 3 short stories

[@AweSean-wv3xo]

What are the short stories called

[@Soundwave1900]

So nothing it went into details about that wasn't shown in the show? The last two episodes especially.

[@whynaut1]

​​​@@Soundwave1900 The first story was basically only the part from the first episode where David helps his daughter with her bullies. It ends with the lingering possibility that there might be more UI like David, for example Chandra (who is president of his own company in this) The second story jumps straight to the part where David's upload has already been deleted once, and Maddie needs to find a back up. She does so very quickly, but this tips off Chandra and he and David fight. David is able to stop Chandra with a recursive algorithm that slows both of them down with so much junk data that the government is able to track them down and delete them both. The third story has Maddie meeting Misty who, like in the show, introduces herself as David's other daughter. Maddie builds Misty a robot body to experience the real world, only to find that the online world has access to infinitely better and more vivid sensory experiences. The story ends with a man like Holstrom who convinces Maddie that all humans are going to need to upload themselves to save the Earth. The overall message of this story is that he is right

[@oblivion_2852]

The deus ex machina moment with Maddy reviving the dead Caspian, David and son was insane. Everyone was just dumbfounded like. She just jumped through the barrier of real and digital and then left the world entirely with Caspian into the super simulation and entered the super super simulation from the perspective of safesurf. 42million years, 117,000 years etc etc.

[@huyu9242]

Lol a literal deus ex machina

[@Kserijaro]

There is no deus ex machina. She didn't revive anyone, she just pulled a SIM UI, from a different layer of Simulation. Her child died, back when the infinite loop started, and this is the sad reality of Maddies life. She goes on a quest to become a God so she can undo that moment in history. The Maddie we follow is another simulation, the Maddie that figures everything out and goes on to become a god to simulate more billion universes. It is heavily implicated that her reality is actually a simulation of Hyper Advanced Safesurf, that openly says "WE TOO WERE INVITED" indicating there is another layer, another God above them too. The whole show takes place in a simulation of what happened. No one had flesh. They are all programs.

[@willantoniuk]

This masterpiece was so underrated. Thank you for shining light on it

[@thegeekweek]

Thank you so much for watching! 🙏 and I couldn’t agree more 🙌

[@daniellavaly3463]

Holstrom basically said: "ever since I realized the weakness of the flesh it disgusted me"

[@thegeekweek]

Yes can confirm 😂 The scene where he had Mist questioning reality when she went to confront him lives in my head rent free 💀

[@leventeberry]

It sucks to come to the realization that he was right 😅 AND that he thought of it first...

[@РайанКупер-э4о]

​@@leventeberry, he was right in being disgusted?

[@khalilkombo2263]

Never go full mechanicus

[@Mr.9]

47:30 They're probably just referring to the center of the galaxy which then leads me to believe that they made a Dyson swarm using the energy of a fucking black hole and I find that to be unimaginably awesome

[@thegeekweek]

Yeah that sounds epic! I wonder if there’s more about that in the original story

[@marocat4749]

And aliens, th econnections and big galaxy do imply aliens. So that dysonshpere probably too and might be even a hub for aliens. I mean its probably the thought ther are aliens out ther but its far too wide and long away to meet them, which that antivirus hasnt a problem with. So the are the aliens it met. Which would make the center of the galaxy probably an amazing interesting cultural hub. Thinking about it, its probably like the federation inviting ready maddie. or something.

[@Soundwave1900]

Its No Man's Sky all over again

[@emmadraws14953]

I loved Pantheon SO much, I think it's my favorite show of all time now. Every character is given so much love and attention and nuance, even awful people like Renee and Pope. Caspian and Maddie are true gems of character writing, and I love their relationship as much as it breaks my heart too. What's really great about those two is that they're not only fantastic characters alone, but that their character arcs twine together and answer each other, especially there at the end. Maddie's arc being about grief and the conflict between progress and nostalgia within that--the question of whether to move on or hold on. And Caspian's arc being about identity and the question of free will vs predestination. There at the ending, in Maddie's dyson sphere, they become the answers to each other's character arcs: Maddie isn't free of grief, but she gets to move on to a new life while still holding on to Caspian and the future they missed out on together, while Caspian choosing to wipe his memory and join her asserts a confidence that, even if they're starting over in the same place, his choices will still get to be his own, and there's no way to know for certain how it'll turn out. If that's not the most beautiful writing ever, then man I don't know what is. Like, that is some true love right there!! Man. My only wish for the series that they didn't touch on was that I wanted to see Caspian and Dave interact for more than five seconds. Like that is already such a complex relationship, Caspian having fathered this kid he never knew about, the complicated feelings he must have about parenthood given his own nightmare of an upbringing, and being two years younger than your own kid? WILD. I wanted a moment where those two could talk and connect, I wish we could've gotten that.

[@thegeekweek]

I am totally on board with all of this!!! I couldn’t agree more!!

[@Keiththegoober]

My thoughts exactly

[@anthonytran8850]

Brooo I’m so sad after finishing this series haha. Can’t believe it ended the way it did, it was so sad but more of a melancholic sadness and to some degree it makes sense as to why Maddie made that decision despite all she’s been through. Was still upset for Maddie’s sake though given all she’s had to go through. Damn man too bad this series didn’t get much attention cause it really does deserve way more attention for all its high quality components from its VA to story telling, and animation.

[@thegeekweek]

Preachhh! This show is criminally underrated! Show is top tier!!!

[@Guilgamesh83]

Maybe what you feel is not sadness, but nostalgia. Nostalgia for the future that might have been.

[@FlynnFromTaiga]

I will boost any video about Pantheon series to spread the word to as many people as I can. It is a piece of art.

[@robertlynn7624]

Pantheon is in top 2 sci fi series of all time alongside The Expanse for me. An amazing exploration of post singularity tech impacts on the human condition. It's criminal that it hasn't received more attention.

[@thegeekweek]

CRIMINALLY UNDERRATED!! Couldn’t agree more, an absolute work of art

[@oblivion_2852]

I agree with this so much. When I thought of this series I could easily see it up side by side with the quality of The Expanse and The Foundation series

[@AweSean-wv3xo]

Pantheon is more high concept than the Expanse ibr, especially with the later the later books, still good tho

[@wasislos]

Thank you for mentioning The Expanse, will watch it now, i just finished watching pantheon season 2 and the ending really got me

[@frick9268]

I’m a fan from CN. It’s heartbreaking that this incredible show has so few followers. I watched the season 1 last year and that was amazing. And to some extent, this season exceeds the initial one. The battlefield between Uploaded intelligence and human is the process of how we can define human beings. And to Maddie, nostalgia and ignorance are the two key factors to our existence. That’s her core motivation to rejection of being uploaded and her endless stimulations on finding her lovers. Though, she knows how things will going on in the end. Two or three years of companion with Caspian and thousands of hundreds years of waiting, finding and stimulations. That needs massive courage and reminds me of Amy Adam’s Arrival. In the end, this season can be discussed in multidimensional aspects. It’s one of the year’s masterpieces and is definitely underrated. Thanks for ur review.

[@thegeekweek]

No problem at all and I couldn’t agree more!!

[@Gumpinn]

Indeed it is, i actualy had no idea it existed until a month ago. And thats something since i have gone to almost only watch animated shows. This series is on par with "Invincible" Im definently gonna read the source material! I highly recommend you tp read invincible, in the series they havent even reached the part when it starts to progress and ramp upp a notch 😅 Best read ive ever had by far, it also has an end which is appreciated.

[@An_Attempt]

"Carrie" was the guy that got them to the plane in season 2. He stayed behind and lived in the fishing village. (And as far as I am concerned, I was never apprehended.)

[@thegeekweek]

Thank you!! I didn’t recognize him with the beard!! That’s awesome Carrie is my boy!! 💪

[@An_Attempt]

Thanks for doing this review. We all found some of the best-written animations, and no one knows. (It makes you wonder how hard it would be to run a conspiracy without getting people's attention.)

[@thegeekweek]

@@An_Attempt No problem at all thank you for watching 🙏 and you know that’s a really good point, kinda scary when you think about it

[@animalfinatic9366]

He lived his life right in the end.

[@ZenZill]

I'll never hear 'Don't Dream It's Over' again without thinking of Pantheon. It's this generations Neon Genesis Evangelion. What voice acting by everybody, Katie Chang needs an Emmy for that scream when David dies; RIP William Hurt.

[@thegeekweek]

That’s is a great comparison! And yes RIP!

[@init-rc7gc]

I think its better than neon for starts the intro is the right length

[@halloweenfriday]

For me, Pantheon is a 9.5/10. While I agree that there were some elements I wished could be expanded upon, the series itself wrapped everything up nicely; and it shows how we don’t need 5-10 seasons of a TV series to tell one story. Sometimes, 2 or 3 seasons are enough (i.e. Hannibal, Twin Peaks, DARK). What I love about this show is the characters. I felt a strong emotional attachment with them that I haven’t felt in an animated series for a very long time. I felt for Maddie throughout the whole thing, especially after losing the closest people she ever loved. I was so intrigued by Caspian and his whole unraveling of his own identity, and each twist and turn his story took would keep me on the edge. The fact that AMC scrapped away Thomasin McKenzie’s unseen performance as MIST is despicable, and I am extremely disgusted with them for scrapping away William Hurt’s final performance for the sake of saving a buck. Pantheon is such a smart animated show that deserves to be talked about more, and by far, it is my favorite TV series of all time (sorry, Breaking Bad).

[@thegeekweek]

That’s a really great point! I actually found myself saying the exact same thing about a different show that I liked but after a while felt like it was dragging on too long! But I couldn’t agree more the character writing in this show is on another level and they blend the character relationships with the themes of the show beautifully! So so goood!!

[@thegeekweek]

Also p.s 9/10 was just season 2 as a series it’s even higher!

[@georgetollisonbuffett]

They scrapped away William Hurt’s final performance?

[@halloweenfriday]

@@georgetollisonbuffett yes, they did.

[@georgetollisonbuffett]

@@halloweenfridayCould you elaborate more?

[@progrocker2112]

Just finished this and I cannot think of another series that makes you think more about morals, ethics, philosophy, time, etc. more that this show. Loved it.

[@thegeekweek]

Couldn’t agree more it’s handles its themes tremendously!!

[@HannahFortalezza]

Just finished season 2 (staying up till 2am because I couldn’t stop watching). What an amazing series it was! One thing that I wish they explored a bit more was the concept of how someone is *actually* dead after they’ve been uploaded. Sure it’s effectively a 1:1 consciousness (at least immediately upon upload), but that original human died, their perspective stopped once and for all, never to return. This is something that always makes me think that if the option to upload is available, I don’t think I would ever take it. My life would end, I wouldn’t be the wiser, but that person that I create never had the choice… what if they don’t want to continue to exist? What if they get exploited? (Just like how David Kim, etc are exploited to endlessly work). The only way to realistically upload without truly dying is to slowly replace parts of the brain bit by bit with electronics that duplicate everything for that section then push the procress over to the electronics… yes a bit of a Theseus ship question but when you think about it, our cells on average are all replaced every 7 years. Sorry that was a lot of word vomit but I’m really into the philosophy of this area and absolutely love the show

[@thegeekweek]

Not at all that's actually a great point I hadn't considered that. I've still yet to read the original short stories so I'm not sure if it was expanded on more there or not.

[@anth10499]

That dilemma felt much more present in season one, especially as we saw Chanda literally die in front of us during his scan. Season 2, especially after the timeskip, treated upload like such a casual thing. I really can't imagine 4 billion people across 20 years choosing to upload. It's effectively suicide. Very selfless suicide. I almost want to headcanon that they figured out some way to directly upload and preserve continuity of consciousness.

[@Soundwave1900]

It seemed to me they arrived to a different conclusion: there's no "real" you. Every copy of you is you. Like how many times David has died and in the end everyone, himself included, treated him as the one and only, maybe with some memory loss. And eventually, since they're all in a simulation based on people long gone happened millions of years ago, none of them were real to begin with.

[@Starberry7]

Considering they are all part of a simulation inside a simulation inside a simulation inside a… and so on, that’s likely why that concept was never talked about in detail. None of them were technically real because all of them are simulations made by another simulation. Maddy (yk the one that made the Dyson sphere to make her own simulations) even said so herself in reference to another version of herself. Perhaps there is another Maddie who is watching her in that very moment. Technically they aren’t real, yet Maddie, who created those simulations, regards the people she simulated as real because she technically herself is also a simulation made by another Maddie, and that other Maddie was made by another Maddie and so on until we reach the first simulated Maddie who was made by SafeSurf. Technically none of those simulated people are the real deal, not the humans with “bodies” nor the UI’s. Maddie knows she isn’t real but regards herself as such and she does the same with the Maddie’s and people that she simulated in her own Dyson sphere. Perhaps the people know deep down in their subconscious that they aren’t real but they can’t fully grasp it which is perhaps why the concept of death upon upload also isn’t really brought up much. Also perhaps they came to a different conclusion than you precisely because they are simulations. Perhaps to them they are all real, the billions of different versions that exist could all be real even if they are technically just copies of the first ones that lived in the real physical universe. Maybe to them there isn’t much difference between the physical person and the upload. And I may know why, it could be partially due to their subconscious knowing that none of them are real (or maybe it doesn’t), but there is another reason that might explain it more. It’s the initial scan of the brain for the upload. If it was just a copy then it should have scanned the brain without destroying the real copy existing in the physical world. But it couldn’t create a copy. The physical brain was in a sense transferred onto a digital realm. It’s more so a transfer than a copy in that sense because a copy wouldn’t destroy the original. But the original did get destroyed for the upload. If you copy a person you should have 2 copies of that same person running around. Just like you would if you were to clone the person. But instead of the same person running around twice in the same world you’d have one in the physical world and one in the digital one. But that’s not what happened. However a transfer is more similar to what happened. The physical brain left the physical realm and became something digital. While the body was left behind you could say the consciousness of the person was transferred into the digital realm. If you copy a file one your computer you have the same file twice, if you copy a piece of paper in a printer you have the same paper twice. However if you transfer a file from one folder to another it disappears in the first folder and reappears in the 2nd folder. Same thing if you make a transfer in the real world. Money for example if you buy something you transfer money from your account to another account. Or if you make a student transfer. The student is not part of school 1 anymore but instead of school 2. The whole upload is more reminiscent to that of transferring rather than copying or cloning.

[@HannahFortalezza]

@@Starberry7 My point was more that in our reality (as far as we know) such a concept would kill the original. We are not digital files, our old consciousness would never wake up again, not truly

[@ravagerxiii5488]

Thank you for giving the show its flowers. It’s one of the series in my life that, in my opinion, is life changing.

[@JohnSmith-rs5mq]

52:26 Thank you for mentioning this. I Absolutely agree that it needed to be expanded upon. I would like to see them going into DNA turned into code. I would also like to know what exactly happened to the original earth and humanity.

[@thegeekweek]

No problem, and thank you so much for watching! Yeah I think with the amount of stuff introduced in the last 2 episodes you could definitely have another season or at the very least 3 to 4 more episodes in season 2. But yeah I would have loved for the process of people voluntarily starting to upload expanded on a bit more

[@qthequick]

Essentially that’s what dna is right? Code… our unique code. Of course Maddie turned actual dna into computed data suspended outside of time and space might’ve been to much info for the audience. It would distract from the point they were trying to make. Probably why they left it out… idk 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@thegeekweek]

@@qthequick I’m curious to see is if it’s expanded on in the original source material, I’d be willing to attribute it being left out most likely due to time/budget limitations. But just so we’re clear I loved the direction the ending took I thought it was great. So great that I just wanted to know more that’s all

[@JohnSmith-rs5mq]

@@qthequickI am not sure where I remember it but I thought they mentioned that the scan is down to the molecular level. DNA is a molecule and there is DNA in the nucleus of neurons. Edit: I found it in episode 2, 5 minutes in. It is a scan at the molecular level that happens with the neurons actively firing. So the DNA would be scanned and transformed into code along with the consciousness, brain, and blood. And since we know that their organs and senses were fully captured and are functional then I don't see why gametogenesis would not be possible. They could have even better control over the organs like the heart, liver, and stomach (since a character was asking about whether or not he could through up later on in the show). But I think that CIs would be seen as the progeny of the UIs since Mist did consider Maddie her sister so their could be two methods of reproduction one being the direct combination of code and the other being the one we are most familiar with.

[@toofar2real]

They blew up something in the final episode, it was a planet or a moon. They transformed it and were using it as new vessel while traveling through space. Definitely would've love to know more details about that, but not having those details didn't make the ending any less satisfying

[@XekTOr89]

I am so glad I found this show, this is a masterpiece of a series. It is a MUST WATCH!

[@thegeekweek]

Couldn’t agree more!! Absolutely brilliant show!!

[@ragnorockcookie2868]

It is a crime that this show didn't become bigger than than it should have

[@thegeekweek]

ABSOLUTELY CRIMINAL!!

[@Jephthah_1990]

I finished this show yesterday... I feel like I can't watch any other show now. I keep coming back to this one.

[@thegeekweek]

I know how you feel it's absolutely incredible! I'd recommend scavengers reign if you've never seen it. Another great animated sci-fi series!

[@Montie-Adkins]

I did not expect this to end with a character and their very own Dyson sphere, but I'm glad it did. A fellow by the name of Robert Bradbury coined the term Matrioshka Brain for a layered, thinking, sentient Dyson sphere. Such a thing has the ability to process the entire history of human thought in a few millionths of a second. So with this databank of people Maddie brought with her, not to mention many centuries of other VR history to bring along too, it would be a small matter to perfect history and toy with as you please. Mr Bradbury was a big proponent of transhumanism but died a bit over a decade ago.

[@thegeekweek]

Oh wow thank you for this!! And yeah same it definitely caught me off guard but I loved the direction they took it in the end as well!

[@Montie-Adkins]

@@thegeekweek I'd post a link but youtube gave me a spam warning. But it's not hard to find.

[@thegeekweek]

@@Montie-Adkins damn KZbin!! Hey I’m really interested, if you’re on twitter could you send the link my way? _thegeekweek on twitter

[@delldavis5201]

they never explained what happened to the mosaad and iranian agent after they melded - they just sort of forgot that they did it and what the result was.

[@boity-fromthemilkygalaxy2504]

Right? Literally. Or maybe something for season 3 ?

[@oblivion_2852]

38:45 The analogy I believe the show intended with pope is that sinners may not be granted eternal life. It's a good analogy for heaven

[@iiomniverseiiomniscient7149]

Pantheon S2 + Loki S2 + Invincible S2 I have never had a year like this one Golden 💛

[@jacob_bartholomew]

Just finished the whole series and oh my god this is one of the best pieces of media I’ve ever consumed, the depth and richness of the plot and story is incredible, I had myself rewinding parts of the show just so I can get a full understanding of what was happening. So sad this got cut after 2 seasons I would have gladly watched many more seasons

[@PWiz30]

Just finished it. Those last two episodes reminded me of Death's End in the way it expanded the scale and scope of the story and the way it left me feeling after it was done. Wow.

[@joshua2764]

Olivia's death pisses me off cos why didn't she just stay and hold the shield up till Caspien untangled Farhad? The shield was durable to hold the virus in the first place and she wasn't burning out. They could've escaped Farhad would take the cure and together with Joey Holstrom wouldn't even attempt to stand a chance.

[@thegeekweek]

By shield are we talking about the like book/spell Olivia momentarily trapped safe surf with? If so I’m thinking the safe surf was too powerful to keep at bay. It even was able to take off one of Holmstroms hands and they are both “cured” UI’s

[@thegeekweek]

And yes she was over processing during that scene for sure that’s how safe surf found them. Much like when Holmstrom uses the safe surf to devour ping, he over processes to attract it where they are

[@joshua2764]

@@thegeekweek no the purple one she created by the train

[@thegeekweek]

@@joshua2764 ohhh gotcha! I’d have to check, but doesn’t she unknowingly let Holmstrom within it when she calls Karimi?

[@thegeekweek]

@@joshua2764 Holmstrom was already with karimi before she rung the bell for him to come and meet her

[@Thinkquickly]

I still can't get over the fact that they were going to be okay with killing caspians casting girlfriend latter on. The show kind of glossed over it, only showing that stephens girlfriend died on his 18th birthday. feels like a pretty important flexion point

[@thegeekweek]

Like the actress that they hired? Yes I couldn’t agree more Julius and his people were outta control!!

[@Thinkquickly]

yeeeesss, at first I was only taken aback that she had to color her hair blue but then the accident happened and I was speechless!! Also, you just know that Stephen is a huge douchebag by the way he lectures every woman he is with about music - classic annoying F-Boy move

[@thegeekweek]

Thank you so much for watching! And yes if there’s any show that deserved the praise it’s this one!! I’m looking forward to reading the short stories it’s based on 👀

[@michaelharmon8960]

So the real world is gone and is now she basically turned reality into the matrix what happened to the real world are there any humans left

[@thegeekweek]

@@michaelharmon8960 yeah so the last episode does leave some of these plot points a bit vague. If you’re asking about after the time skip it’s not specifically said if every human had uploaded at that point but I’d say it’s safe to assume. (Really wished they would have expanded upon the period between caspians sacrifice and his awakening a bit more as well to explain why people were voluntarily uploading a bit more.) As for Maddie she hasn’t actually altered reality, rather she is a UI creating simulations of reality and altering said simulations

[@maximianocoelho4496]

Ok, the answer to your question: Carie is the fisherman in episode one that talks to Capian. The time when the Iranian UI and the Israeli UI join together is very very important for the plot, as they get absorbed by Safesurf, since Safesurf absorbs the essence of the UIs, that kicks something inside the UI, I think that defines the next actions of the UI forward. Waxman and Ellen checked in the computer and saw 4 UI in that location, Josephine, Steve Holmstrom, Caspian and MIST, missing the Iranian and the Israeli UI, that is my opinion on the importance of that scene. That is my opinion. It was a wonderful season, this type of series that only came up in 1 in 10 years, and I will watch it again at Christmas, the amount of details demands a second watch of the entire show. I dont think they are making a third season, the show doesn't need a new season, to risk the series being cancelled and leaving things in half, I think the showrunners decided to make a last stand in this season, I mean, it is quality content is just not getting as many views as other shows. + Who can tell how writing would be affected by TIME, I definitely agree with your friend about making this a 3 seasons show, and just that, it is amazing the amount of compressed information they could express in such a small run.

[@thegeekweek]

@@maximianocoelho4496 Thank you so much!! Carrie is the man!!! And I couldn’t agree more this show is truly one of a kind!!

[@arnas159ds]

I really loved the series.......... But damn this was so rushed. Renee is quite a woman. Last scene of her was crushing. Animation is crisp, character are multilayered. 9/10, completely agree.

[@thegeekweek]

Thank you so much for watching! And yes Renee is something else haha!😂

[@jomamatan]

Aside from the other underdeveloped plot points of this amazing show, is that if the cure to the flaw is the fusion of 2 ui codes, then how did the first ui couple not become flawless after merging when they fell in love???

[@imasimpwhatofit7140]

No but if it weren’t for an ad on TikTok with a snippet of this show, I wouldn’t have ever found this (or at least bothered watching, I think) and that makes me infuriated!! This show deserves SO much more recognition and I’m so sad that I could’ve missed watching such a beautiful work of art and that it’s still so underrated. I genuinely hope the amount of viewers for this show grows and fast because I love this show sm. Anyways, thank you so much for such a beautiful and well-thought out review and breakdown!! I was a little confused towards the end of the show and initially came to KZbin for some clarification on the ending (side note: THERE IS BARELY ANY CONTENT ON THIS SHOW, ITS CRIMINAL. This video is one of only a few videos I could find on this show and not just KZbin, but TikTok as well. And when searching for a pantheon wallpaper, I literally couldn’t find anything, there’s barely any fandom and it doesn’t make me mad because I can’t talk to anyone about it, it makes me mad because this show is just so fricken amazing, it deserves ALL of the uproar and attention there is to offer). This is an amazing video and you should be extremely proud 🤍 Thank you so much!

[@thegeekweek]

Thank you so much I appreciate it!!🙏🙏 But I couldn’t agree more this show deserves to be seen!!! ❤️

[@khalilb2350]

Your first point is my EXACT sentiment, I seen the clip of caspian vs holstrom and I was like yeah this definitely something I can get into lol and from there with each episode I watched I discovered how great of a FREAKING show patheon is and it pisses me off too that I never have heard of it before like wth

[@imasimpwhatofit7140]

@@khalilb2350 LITERALLYYY!! Like the marketing for the show is practically non-existent. I found it incredibly insulting that the ONE ad I saw about it was practically all they had. You’re so right to feel that way because damn, an amazing show NEEDS attention and marketing

[@KeKe-bv8qv]

So I just finished binge watching season 2 at 3am. Those last two episodes really were insane and awesome, on a totally different level. And now I can't sleep.

[@thegeekweek]

Hahah tell me about it, I just wish there was more!!!! The last couple episodes had so much in them I would have LOVED to get at least a couple more episodes, but you’re right absolutely love this show!!

[@kam6642]

I’ve heard in Some media that near our galactic center is where highly evolved life thrives. I think is what the anti viral was talking about. Or they just meant a place like the citadel in mass effect where all intelligent species meet.

[@thegeekweek]

Oh shit! That honestly makes me wish there was more haha! I wonder if they show that in the original story, that sounds dopee

[@kam6642]

@@thegeekweek I was definitely hoping they would have shown us some of it. Great series though.

[@thegeekweek]

@@kam6642 couldn’t agree more!!

[@BurghMurph]

I just finished binging both seasons….one of my top shows ever dude…I’ve never had a show blow my mind as much as this show did. Top tier writing

[@serpentious]

I absolutely love this show, and thought season 2 expanded it in a way that was profound and beautiful. I loved the video thank you. Oddly enough the amazon show Upload kinda made me think in my own head canon was the world Holstrom desired, showing the growing pains of the first 'uploads'. And for Cary, iirc wasn't he in Norway selling fish to Caspian this season, I can't remember what happened afterwards though.

[@thegeekweek]

Thank you so much for watching! 🙏 and oh was that Carrie with the beard?!? I know the scene you’re talking about! okay that’s awesome so he went out still a good guy haha. But I’ve never seen upload that sounds really interesting though! Is it a new series on Amazon?

[@serpentious]

@@thegeekweek Yea I am pretty sure that was him with the beard, but I need to rewatch. And the show Upload although a satrical comedy set in the near future meshs quite well with this. It just started its third season and follows a UI named Nathan Brown as he adapts to life as a UI in a resort server called Lakeview. It explores stuff like the state of the material world, how the embodied population react with more and more UI's and lots of little things showing a world were the technology for all this stuff is fairly new and seeing how it affects non-god level people. Worth at least checking out the trailer.

[@thegeekweek]

@@serpentious definitely!! Thank you I’m definitely gonna have to check this show out that sounds good

[@lvbandmore]

@@thegeekweek Right, that was Cary with the beard, and he helped Maddie and Caspian escape to the plane at the end of the Norway sequence. I suspect he went underground and spent the rest of his life being a nice guy. Maybe working at a farmer's market or something. :)

[@oblivion_2852]

36:07 The book Caspian is holding is called "The Hidden Girl and Other Stories" which are the original short stories the show is based on

[@thegeekweek]

Ohh that’s awesome! Have you read the original source material??

[@oblivion_2852]

@@thegeekweek I'm reading it now. There seems to be a bit of a misunderstanding though because the source material is just a collection of short stories. So far there aren't any continuous characters that the reader can relate to in the context of the ideas. This may be one of the cases where the adapted material is better than the source. Another example of this is the recent Foundation Series. The original stories were very disjoint more so about the empire, the technology, the time etc and less about building characters an audience can relate to. The tv show Foundation however threads the characters of Hari Seldon and Gaal Dornick throughout the long span of the empire. The time jump between season 1 and 2 was 150 years. Again there will be a time jump between season 2 and 3. Within the season there are amazing characters woven into the tapestry and between seasons there are the foundational characters. In the words of Asimov's grandaughter "he was never too good with characters and in this regard I believe the show is better"

[@thegeekweek]

@@oblivion_2852 oh wow that’s incredible, I already love the show but I may have just gained even more respect for it knowing that! Thank you for sharing this!!

[@masgrande95]

OH MY GOD, i didn't even know there was season 2, i thought it was cancelled. Bro i'm leaving a like, i'll be right back

[@thegeekweek]

Oh it’s epic!!! And thank you so much! I’ll see ya when you get back 🫡

[@kiidkif2009]

Wonder when he'll be back to this comment 😂😂

[@thegeekweek]

@@kiidkif2009 same 😂😂😂

[@twoonswig3667]

Season 1 it was a good show, offering something unique and felt like a poignant anime made for westerners. Season two was insane, kept getting better until the last 20 mins where I was audibly gasping. Anticipated it being good, not one of the most impressive animated series in existence. Recommend to everyone

[@thegeekweek]

Couldn’t agree more soo soo goood!

[@animalfinatic9366]

Agreed!

[@matt8743]

The only reason this show “failed” because AMC bought it and didn’t have the following these other companies can build Netflix etc. I just binged the whole season and its one of the best animated shows I’ve ever watched.

[@matt8743]

Btw I was trying to watch this show before but didn’t want to buy AMC app but I just watched it on Netflix hopefully it brings more eyes to this show

[@carloshulk442]

Netflix has season 1 so that will probably get it a season 3 hopefully

[@MrGiodude17]

This was the best thing I have seen in years

[@thegeekweek]

I am right there with you! Such a great series!!

[@MrGiodude17]

Can u tell me if season 3 is pick up by amazon

[@thegeekweek]

@@MrGiodude17 I think season 2 is the last season! If they decide to do more I’ll let you know for sure!!

[@MrGiodude17]

@geekweekpodcast no season 3 has already been announced 2024 October amazon prime

[@thegeekweek]

@@MrGiodude17 really?!? That’s amazing!!! Then yes of course I will keep you posted!!

[@AriSuley92]

Incredible show all the way through, can't believe so many people have no idea about it

[@thegeekweek]

TELL ME ABOUT IT!! Absolutely incredible!!

[@animalfinatic9366]

Wonderful conversations being had here! I can't wait to join in! I just finished pouring out my heart on other videos an hour or two ago, so this definitely takes time. Emotions are a powerful force. And that's why I'm here and happy to be!

[@thegeekweek]

Welcome it's great to have you!! Pantheon was an absolute work of art I just hope more and more people can experience it!!

[@richardwillems9705]

Ran into a recommendation for this series and I was not disappointed. One of the best.

[@thegeekweek]

Same thing happened to me! One of the best recommendations I’ve gotten!

[@trowjackson]

Cannot agree with you more bro, your reviews are spot on. The Show is one Mammoth of an experience.

[@kiidkif2009]

This show blew my mind to pieces and i still somehow understood what was going on

[@thegeekweek]

Writing is sooo goood!

[@apoorvas6062]

Another thing, given what the cure is, it makes so much sense that Caspian got it and not Steven because though they are essentially the same person, they are so different.

[@thegeekweek]

So true!!

[@animalfinatic9366]

nature vs nurture

[@gabsjohn7881]

I wished maddie and caspian could live together and raise the kid she went through so much pain it honestly sad but great show I’m still left speechless

[@thegeekweek]

Her story is so sad 😢 I was hoping her son would at least survive, but man heartbreak after heartbreak! I’m right there with ya

[@hungrytervigon]

Hopefully this hits the US again and more people can experience it. Such a smart show.

[@thegeekweek]

I couldn’t agree more!!

[@corneliusnoblefist1560]

Thank you for taking the time to make this video

[@thegeekweek]

Thank you so much for watching! 🙏 it was no problem at all this show deserves to be seen!!

[@animalfinatic9366]

Love your review there at the end. Definitely made me feel better. The show was very heavy, intense, and also leaves you feeling empty...but the remedy is human connection...other people.

[@thegeekweek]

Thank you so much and I couldn't agree more!! Such an emotional ride, but you're absolutely right connection to others is the cure!!

[@tanvirahmedtalukder3646]

Underrated gem. Its a shame that a series like this got cancelled.

[@thegeekweek]

For sure! it got picked up and finished on amazon prime though this second season was the final season there were only 2

[@tanvirahmedtalukder3646]

@@thegeekweek Yeah. But for me the second season feels rushed. If it could get another season, I think it would have reached to another level

[@thegeekweek]

@@tanvirahmedtalukder3646 ohhh I see what you mean. Yeah I feel you I would have liked a few more episodes in the cloud for sure

[@hen567]

yeah this show was a total mind fk for me. loved it though, I can confidently say its a work of art and its able to explore its concepts perfectly without over complicating the core story.

[@neira6632]

Im so happy to see other people enjoying this as much as I am

[@thegeekweek]

❤️

[@MercyREB]

Watching this show absolutely blew my goddamn mind, I literally could not take off my eyes when I watched season 2. Funny how the first season was all about a UI war and now season 2 has EXCEEDED my expectations.

[@thegeekweek]

Couldn’t agree more, one of a kind!

[@southern-samurai]

That's why books are always better than the shows; they explain things in greater detail and just work better. This show reminded me of a few sci-fi books I've read before and is a great addition to the genre overall. Thanks to my teenage son who made me watch this show.

[@thegeekweek]

Can never go wrong with the original source material! But for sure I couldn’t agree more a tremendous addition to the genre!

[@animalfinatic9366]

Is the ending similar to the books?

[@christianboi7690]

There were a few things that felt weird to me about UIs. Like, if it’s just code why can’t they have infinite copies of someone all at once? Why couldn’t they store an extra Caspian in case he failed or just to bring him back if anything happened? How did David’s source code break in season 1? Why could t they just upload Holstrom immediately and make copies of him to solve it or at least hold onto his code and never use it until the issue was fixed instead of storing his brain? How does the AI develop and store anything when it’s reset? How is them being reset different than them being created from the source code again? We do actually see Chanda duplicate himself fully, but we never see anyone do that again. Like I guess integrity would be less important if they could just duplicate themselves and hibernate some of their copies or store themselves until everything is solved. I loved the fights also, but they also kind of bagged me because besides in one or two instances in season one they hardly related them to actual code at all. It just feels weird for their to be something so physical about a fight between code that’s probably more a me problem, though. The fights served their purpose well enough and they were beautifully animated and choreographed. Also, did they never make the technology to scan a living brain? I was interested in where the discussion would go when a UI and living person were both alive, I guess that doesn’t really matter though and it wasn’t really the discussion that they wanted to have. Okay. I loved this show, I just can’t help but to nitpick at things occasionally in a show like this and though I want to turn my brain off and enjoy it the show is encoring me to think about it deeply and when I do there are always little things that jump out at me. I don’t mean to not-pick. I wish the show was more popular because it definitely deserves it. I just wish the final arc of the series had a few more episodes to explore the ideas it had.

[@Dee7nine]

In one of the short stories by Ken Liu, he goes into detail about how what is at the Galactic Center.

[@davidhenry7946]

This show rocked me so hard. Just finished season 2 and I feel like I am gettjng an existential anxiety attack😮

[@driudwaker9397]

I interpreted the Galactic Center offer as a challenge: If you are able to get to the center of this galaxy then we will initiate you as a member of this organization and ascend you to a higher state of the simulation. Makes me think they were planning on doing some crazy journey through space culminating with some shenanigans with Sagittarius A*

[@thegeekweek]

Which would be absolutely dope!! I would love that so much hahaha 🙏

[@sanjivinsmoke2719]

It's actually one of the few shows that goes far and beyond to tell such a character driven story.. I kinda feel sad that Caspian and the girl died in the original timelines.. the ones are just simulation.. not that it matters as the simulated reality is just real any other if it's a perfect simulation.. this show raises a lot of philosophical questions.. it's definitely in my top 10.. I'm actually surprised by it tbh.. I really thought there would be no shows with such interesting concept after the golden age of anime faded away.. This along with scavenger reigns are the show of the decades... I rate them just as good if not better than steins gate and code Geass as my top 1 and 2..

[@thegeekweek]

Those are some absolute classics right there I’m a huge geass guy myself! I’m actually watching scavengers reign now it’s great!!

[@protato911]

its been a very long time since I watched an animated shows this good. There are a few things here and there that kinda bugs me like the CG element is a bit jarring/janky and the final 2 episode felt a bit rush (though that's probably because they're constrained by the fact that they need to warp up the show in season 2). But those are very minor problems and in general I think this is a fantastic shows with very good writing. Kinda a shame that this show is very under-marketing, I didn't know this show was a thing until season 2 finished aired and i stumble upon the trailer by chance, almost didn't watch it too.

[@thegeekweek]

Definitely deserves a bigger audience that’s for sure such a great show!

[@init-rc7gc]

I'm so glad I watched this, its actually perfect I even at times didn't even realise I was watching an anime its the best thing to watch. I wanted more but know it can't have more. Everyone should watch this

[@thegeekweek]

Well it’s not an anime that’s a term for Japanese animation, but I do agree with you it’s sooo good you forget you’re watching a cartoon at times!!

[@TheBronzegreekgod]

Carrie was the bearded guy that helped Caspien isn't he?

[@liggerstuxin1]

An hour long review? I’ll come back to this video. I’m digging it.

[@thegeekweek]

🙏🙏

[@GreatGreenGoo]

I honestly think the show conceptually could be given a season 3 or a soft reboot at some point. The very last episode they wiped their memories and re-entered a simulation. This simulation could be very different in how things unfold compared to the original sequence of events. We could get a universe where things play out differently. David doesnt die, ect. and them finding out about the simulations all over again or something

[@sampinkham7203]

I wonder whether Pantheon is us watching the recreated simulation dictated by Maddie or, is the original, first timeline where this happens, because how does David reach out to Caspain without Maddie interfering. Or is this Maddie trying to recreate a timeline closest to hers to re-live, in which she does at the end of the show.

[@thegeekweek]

Well I feel like it’s the recreation of hers to relive because of the final episode, But it’s entirely possible that we were watching the original timeline too! Well until the last few episodes of season 2 anyway

[@sampinkham7203]

@@thegeekweek ive seen a lot of theories about it being safe surf too. Similar at the start of s1 where Cary presents Caspain with that 5 genius problem and Caspain says there needs to be a third party. In this case safe surf as they have evolved into some sort of galactic god and they say something about being from the future. Which is now the ending I think happens. Amazing series though shame a couple more episodes couldn’t have been put in

[@thegeekweek]

@@sampinkham7203 I hadn’t heard that, but that’s pretty interesting. and tell me about it!! Like at the very least 2 more episodes haha couldn’t agree more

[@ggyggg2272]

thank you so much for doing a review on this show it is soo underrated.

[@thegeekweek]

It was my pleasure! Thanks for watching! 🙏 Feel free to suggest more shows you’d like to see videos for!

[@121shahar]

Why nobody talk about this amazing show???

[@thegeekweek]

Tell me about it!! Criminally underrated, the show is absolutely fantastic!!

[@121shahar]

I realy dont get it... One of the best shows of the recent years

[@thegeekweek]

@@121shahar such a shame!! 😢

[@Bionickpunk]

Probably because of its weird streaming distribution and complete lack of promotion. So many amazing works are not appreciated as much as they should because of these key factors.

[@ImAdamRock]

Cary his dad helped him escape on the plain. He was the fisherman and the guy who helped them Get to the plain when the first escaped before the feds got to the facility .

[@dmybeloved]

This show is mind blowing! Truly a gem. I’m happy that it is now released on Netflix

[@lvbandmore]

Great breakdown and review! I totally agree with you on pretty much every point both pro and the few nitpicks. The animation, narration, voice-acting, MUSIC (!), structure - incredible work from the PANTHEON team worthy of Saturn Awards all around. I also whole-heartedly agree that the several plot points in the last 2 eps came at me like rifle-shots, and if you missed even 2 or 3 words of dialogue then you might get lost. Actually I WAS kinda lost after the first time jump and it all became kinda 2001-Space Odyssey-ish for a bit, but your breakdown cleared up much of it. IMHO, ideally eps 9-14 should have become 8 eps, and then 15 and 16 would have become a 3rd season, but I suspect budget restraints were in play. In any case, this show is up there with the greatest stories I've ever read in visually-dramatized fiction - among which I would include the anime FLCL, Serial Experiments LAIN, and what the heck, Garth Ennis' Preacher comic series - in fact Renee really reminded me of a Preacher character (of course, DARK, is in there, etc..) I've only seen it once but I'm sure with rewatches things will be clearer, but one question still remains for me. For "time-travelling incursions" (ie David visiting Caspian on the beach, Maddie and David watching Julius during the break in), that would imply that the "primary" narrative was a simulation itself in which David and Maddie could enter. In that case, how does such a sequence of events play out without an initial "reality"? I guess this is an example of a "bootstrap paradox", and I just saw a similar thing happen in the series "Bodies" (well done, and worth catching but not Pantheon-level) and it kind of irked me here as well. Anyways, great job on the breakdown, if there's any justice this show will hopefully get Twin Peaks/Matrix levels of fandom worship.

[@thegeekweek]

Thank you so much this means a lot to me I really appreciate it! And yeah let’s hope people finally start watching!!

[@Marriedintheislands]

Binged the two seasons yesterday 😂, how did I never hear of this show! It’s amazing how the show started and where it ended, and now thinking about odd things happening season 1 was part of Maddie’s simulation 👀

[@abdur-rahmanhucks1660]

I'm not gonna lie, I need me a Renae in my life

[@thegeekweek]

Let me keep it a stack as well.. I MOST CERTAINLY need someone that’s riding for me like she rides for Holmstrom!! She super solid!! 😂🙌

[@Tinoslife]

just finished watching the show and i feel like the ending was perfect but i still had sooo many questions many questions so at the end do they just live everything over again or does she find a reality where they both can live a normal life like i said i still have so many questions

[@robertmichell4137]

It's worth watching. A "what dreams my come" ending.

[@thegeekweek]

Wow I haven’t seen that movie in a minute!! That’s a good point though with the heaven/reincarnation stuff! Such a good show!

[@CStone-xn4oy]

I can't be the only one who thought that the time skips in the last few episodes made the show worse. I like Pantheon's story and premise but to me it seems that the plot would have been better off concluding with Langstrom's defeat. The moment the words "20 years later" appeared on the screen the show started to lose me and it only got worse after that. In no way do the time skips at the end ruin the show but that do take away from the strength of the plot in my opinion and make the ending a lot less satisfying.

[@aspol12]

that's because we're stuck in human speed

[@jayk9068]

Does anyone get what happened to caspian in the original non-surf simulation. Because like maddie says, her simulation only exists since they told her the year. But the caspian that talked to safe surf is from Maddie's simulation only (she says she died originally and that he waited too long to overclock). Is that supposed to be a reality we didn't see? Would suggest that she didn't die right away but had time to upload during the initial attack but she never got hurt in the simulated reality we saw since caspian was there to take the hits

[@odd02]

This show has so many different scenes that can be broken down. The writing in this series is so well down...Like its crazy how well you connect with the characters and can understand some if not all their reasoning. It's like they aren't all black and white. Would I like a season 3? Yes, but does it need a season 3..i dont know maybe? Where they ended season 2 is pretty good honestly. I'm not sure what else they can explore or go with. Maybe the Galactic super robot thingy? Either way this show really touches on so many things from religion to philosophical things. Man, I really really love this series. But agree it could have had a few more episodes to flush some things out. The only thing I don't fully understand is, wouldn't there need to be a PRIME TIMELINE? Like wouldn't there need to be a timeline outside of the realities that Maddie made? Cause she probably uploaded when Dave Jr. then created a bunch of other realities to get to the part where her son died and where Caspian knew it would take 117,000+ years right? Cause if the beginning of the series was a simulation, then how would the galactic supreme beings come into existence if they were created during the events of season 1-2? Idk think this time travel part is messing with my head. lol

[@thegeekweek]

Well whether or not the beginning of the series is a part of the simulation or actually the reality Maddie lived isn’t specifically stated I don’t believe and left to interpretation. So assuming season 1 and season 2 to episode 5/6 is reality then that would be the “prime” timeline. Now even if everything in the entire show that we see is actually a simulation, it is still based on a life that maddie once lived as an embodied human that time period is our “prime” throughout the show

[@odd02]

@@thegeekweek yeah that makes sense. Kinda wish it explained that abit. Because I feel if it's not in the reality Maddie made then it's in the galactic reality since if what we saw up til ep5/6 is prime. The fact Caspian still knew how long it'll take her, shows there's a high power at play. Not sure if that makes sense. Sidenote, your video really summed up my thoughts on this show perfectly!

[@thegeekweek]

@@odd02 that makes perfect sense! I totally agree I would’ve loved a bit more explained in those last few episodes myself, but thank you so much I appreciate it 🙏

[@odd02]

@@thegeekweek no problem you're welcome 🤗. And right? Maybe season 3 will sorta explain it? If they do it

[@chrisbullard5901]

Am I the only one that hated the ending? As soon as they uploaded Caspian, I didn’t like where it was going. Watching them kill off Hannah with another Holstrom clone, and this whole introvert taken to the extreme just undoes everything good about the show. The show was great when it insisted that interaction with others was the key to everything. Isn’t that the whole point of fixing “the flaw”, that interaction with others is what defines humanity, not biological or silicon brains? It just jumped the shark way too hard, and while I don’t doubt Maddie couldn’t evolve over 100,000+ years, many of us want the “alternate Evangelion timeline” outcome, where Maddie and Caspian had a decent life together and humans sorted things out without the timeskip.

[@Kserijaro]

Watch episode 1, the classroom scene. When you watch it first time - you dont get it. But when you finish the show, that scene indicated a glitch in the simulation happened- the point to which many simulations of Maddie return to relive part of their life they liked the most. There is no jumping of gun. You dont understand the point of view

[@princefreddo5044]

This has got to be one of my favourite shows (if not my most favourite) of the year! I honestly feel the same way, season 2 really exceeded my expectations. Personally, I wish this season was divided into two seasons because there was a lot packed into a small time frame for story telling. However, I know this was due to some constraints so I'm content. What they manged to do with one season's worth of content space was amazing!

[@thegeekweek]

Couldn’t agree more! I’m glad you enjoyed the show as much as I did!!!

[@alexjimenez8545]

What tf happened the the Iranian, and Israeli UIs?

[@maladavek]

One thing I would have liked to see is what happens when Farhad and Yair combine intelligences.

[@thegeekweek]

Sameee!! It may be shown in the original source material I’m not sure 🤔

[@Kserijaro]

There is a short scene when they defend caspian- an orange looking CI that speaks in two voices

[@KelvinKamondia]

Can someone please explain the ending to me.l did not understand it very well and l would really appreciate it

[@dmybeloved]

I have so so so many question🗣🗣The simulation was born from events that actually happened, right? Why did Maddie make a simulation, what happened to the other UIs that moved Maddie to make a simulation in the first place? Did the black thing eat them all? So just humans survived and Maddie then uploaded herself? Leading her to make the simulation. But are the people/UIs in the simulation are real? Just wow

[@ambrosehusser3774]

I truly believe that this is in our future. I don't know if we have such a positive outcome but I truly have faith in our species. We may not seem like it but we have if you average it out. We have moved in a positive direction as a hole. Sometimes we take two steps back and one step forward but sometimes we move 40 steps forward and two steps back. We may get there. I just hope we have enough time. Because the more our intelligence and awareness grows. So does our capacity and power to destroy it all. That is our paradox as a species. Also what they said is inside of every person who has every lived is the code to creat every human who has every lived.

[@MrJoelerjoeler]

i was wondering where carey went. last I saw he was on that beach with the fish.

[@asheessh]

The show is dropded masterpiece 🌟

[@thegeekweek]

Absolutely Brilliant!! 🙏🙏🙏

[@nevetsny1]

Wait. So Titmouse did both this and Scavenger’s Reign? What other shows did I miss I wonder. Interesting both Three Body and this based on native Chinese sci fi writer works. They think in the long term don’t they. Really long term.

[@cell718]

Why is no one else talking about this show it's Syfy at its best.

[@thegeekweek]

Tell me about it! Absolute work of art!!

[@KelvinKamondia]

Does anyone have an idea on what happened to the other UIs and CIs like MISt,her mother and the other s?

[@thegeekweek]

Within Maddies simulation? They are all together in the cloud, also joined by Maddies son David and her father David who she also brought to the same simulation.

[@KelvinKamondia]

@@thegeekweek l really appreciate your answer but l was asking about the original UIs and CIs in the real world.The ones that existed even before Maddie uploaded herself to the cloud.The original MIST,waxman,Ellen and others.What happened to them, the original UIs and CIs?

[@thegeekweek]

Ahhh sorry about that! I’m not positive if it’s specifically stated, but Maddie refers to her series of simulations as “her little corner of the universe.” So I’d say it’s safe to assume the other UI’s have corners of their own 🤷‍♂️

[@KelvinKamondia]

@@thegeekweek Thank you, your answer really helped me.l only wish this amazing show would have focused on showing us the lives and futures of the other uploaded characters like ellen and CIs like MIST instead of only focusing on Maddie's future.

[@thegeekweek]

@@KelvinKamondia I completely understand!! The character writing in this show is so good I’m with you I’d love to see more of each character’s story individually

[@thevolkennomak4036]

I was so confused in the end. I still am. I loved it but the ending eluded my Frankie mind

[@EugeneBorzov]

loved the show but why is it so lo-res? you can clearly see pixelation

[@riftfontain]

I need to watch more stuff like this. Shows that make me think is a perfect show for me

[@thegeekweek]

Amen to that! the best films and tv shows are the ones that make us think in my opinion! 👍