PANTHEON RISE OF THE FALLEN 2024 - Why do so many people hate on this game?

[@simalin11]

Because it’s hard. There’s no hand holding and you have consequences for bad decisions. Graphics mean nothing without content and thought.

[@doctornachozlivestreamchan4763]

yup!

[@RyanLevRon-t4c]

The game is amazing. It’s been in development for 10 years not knowing two years ago they basically wiped everything and re did the graphics, which looks amazing btw. And gameplay is fine. Let the haters hate. You’re doing good Nachoz.

[@RyanLevRon-t4c]

Also they have a macro video out that will show you how to make macros to help your gameplay if you’d like. Specially buffing and stuff

[@xbond1524]

Exactly the kind of game i love, if its too hard for some , they should go play Minecraft! Tose who find it hard are prolly the newer gen's that are used to have it all easy!

[@xbond1524]

Having a blast so far, i really hope they deliver! 10 years was a pain of a wait...

[@CIkler]

if you have a group its great, if you have to solo its not good, crafting is difficult if you are a woodsman, trees are few and far between. Crafting timer needs to be shortened drastically. Readiness could also be a tad cheaper for the classes that use it. Otherwise it's fun!

[@doctornachozlivestreamchan4763]

It's good to hear you're enjoying it despite the challenges. We'll see what happens in the future, but for now, it's a good time to get in early!

[@The_left_hand_pillar]

Trees have gotten better as people have completed their foraging quests and spread out more from the starter zone

[@RE-sc9bz]

I cant even find tools for gathering/crafting... stuck in this cave and cant get to the city because of the damn bandits.

[@turinhorse4232]

The hating trolls of Pantheon are largely the P1999 purist robots, who feel threatened by an actual competitor to "classical everquest". These EQ players are the type burnt by Vanguard, EQ2, EQNext and Landmark. And so they spout venom and nonsense like "omg this game is vaporware and been in development for 10 years!". Starting the dev timer at the - announcement of the kickstarter - (which didnt fund) is a failure of 3rd grade logic and math. MMOs take a long time to make. Pantheon is doing astonishingly well, considering covid, the passing of McQuaid, and the ups and downs of crowdfunding. Theyve been calling Pantheon vaporware for a long long time. And yet, here it is. sukit trolls

[@ClassNCool]

What boggles my mind is that I can't put the game down... it's just like when I was a kid, excited to get home from school to play EverQuest. This is the EXACT same feeling and I haven't experienced that 20+ years. And to think, this current Early Access is just another stage of their development process and not a soft launch of the game. Imagine what the full release will feel like. See ya'll in Terminus and I appreciate this amazing community of players!

[@doctornachozlivestreamchan4763]

I feel the same way about this game. Just playing it takes me back to when I first discovered EQ1 and what a great feeling that is to feel again!

[@EQOAnostalgia]

It's been a long haul... the first time i covered the game was way back in December of 2013 😳 but they've had to endure quite a bit of hardship. There's a lot of bad blood around the game going way back. They made mistakes. But supporting them makes more sense than the people who are hoping to watch it fail. We all win if they can pull through. We don't have many options in this classic genre today.

[@doctornachozlivestreamchan4763]

I agree! I didn't know how much I missed that new classic feeling until playing this. :)

[@Crafty-One]

the bad blood is justified but we sure need this and M&M, it's all we got for this old school mmos. my main dislike is the artstyle of the environment Those trees look cartoonish. Wish they had chosen differently.

[@killval849]

how is shaman? do you enjoy it, or any other classes?

[@doctornachozlivestreamchan4763]

I'm liking the Shaman. It's a lot stronger than the EQ1 shaman at the same level and can do a pretty good job of keeping the group alive while adding debuffs and some DPS. I want to try the Cleric and the Summoner next. I feel the Cleric is a stronger healer than the shaman.

[@jexy_marshall]

I miss your EQ videos

[@doctornachozlivestreamchan4763]

Let's see what the new TLP will be in 2025. I hope we get an interesting ruleset.

[@rob7041]

Min specs on steam say Nvidia 2060, any chance you can ask in game if anyone runs it on a 1060? Either way thanks for the vids!

[@doctornachozlivestreamchan4763]

I run it on a GTX 1650 which might be less than the 1060 or similar at least. I'm running it on high and it is smooth, but it does slow down if there are a lot of people in the area like in town.

[@MrGlentc]

No Map is a very big let down but the rest of the game looks fantastic.

[@doctornachozlivestreamchan4763]

There are online maps that you can print out and put into a binder like we did back in the day :)

[@RyanLevRon-t4c]

@@doctornachozlivestreamchan4763hell yeah

[@TheMantis1968]

@@doctornachozlivestreamchan4763 i don't see any. Can you list your site for Pantheon maps of POI, and not artist concept of locations. Thanks in advance.

[@doctornachozlivestreamchan4763]

shalazam.info/

[@michaelharlow1872]

Can you skin a griz ?

[@z10n0v4]

I think most of the hate comes from misguided places. I see a lot hate about the graphics, which I can understand given this game has been in development going on 11 years and its still using marketplace assets. That being said, I dont think graphics are super important. The biggest issue I can see is lack of content at this point for how long its been in development, and the very obvious jank in the games systems. I'd like to play it, I miss these style of MMOs. FF11 was my favorite. I just dont know if the price is justified for where the game is at. I could go play Embers and get this style of gameplay with more fleshed out systems and content for much cheaper.

[@doctornachozlivestreamchan4763]

I do see your point! It's pretty hard for them at this point. I think they are going to surprise us!

[@Pygmalion1.6]

lack of content? you already finished halnir cave ? mad run? hangor? gob cave? etc..

[@markgold4356]

LOL this is a nitch game and not everyone going to like it, EQ wasn't liked and main stream until there was a massive online resources to show maps and guides. I love it sorts out the stupid people I like a game that bites back when you fuck up. and please remeber this game isn't complete game release.

[@tordb]

It's been in development for over 10 years. And the artwork change looks terrible. Also, Google is a thing.

[@doctornachozlivestreamchan4763]

Like fine wine!

[@pauld6222]

I wish I could get my supporter money back from this game. I dont mind that you have to group, that is is catered to old school MMO players, or that there isn't much content. None of those things bother me in the least bit. The issue is, their vision of this game and what they put out, are completely different. Its more than obvious that their funding was running low, people were getting impatient, and they simply had to put it out or disband the project. They even tried to put out an alternative to the game with a dungeon crawler mode, but people were furious. The graphics were planned to be MUCH better than they are, but then they said they wanted to go another direction with an overhaul....which is code for "its going to take too much time and money to do it the way we planned." What did we end up with? This piece of garbage. I may get alot of grief for posting this, but this game is going to end up like all the other failed MMOs. It will be a small hardcore playerbase barely keeping it alive until they sell it or close the doors.

[@parcow7448]

It really needs a map,, the graphic is so out dated. The world seems empty while questing.

[@danield-h1j]

Bro that Character creator is the worst first impression ever. And if your playing in wilds end it can be real tough to get a group in a game built around grouping

[@ryankopp7031]

Bro the copium is insane, Eq2 looks better and its janky asf

[@marc-andreveilleux2659]

Guy is grouping on solo content and position himself has an harcore player wondering why people critic (righfully so) the game.

[@marc-andreveilleux2659]

Critic is good, its what EA is for. We make the game better together