Panzers in the Spanish Civil War

[@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized]

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[@mihaidobre9908]

Last time I was this early Germany was still holy and roman.

[@brancaleone8895]

Last time I was this early the Holy Roman Empire betrayed Albrecht von Wallenstein

[@neilwilson5785]

I met Federico Barbarossa in a forest once. He was nice to me. Happy memories.

[@nattygsbord]

Austriae est imperare orbi universo

[@proCaylak]

"Alles Erdreich ist Oesterreich untertan"

[@LukeBunyip]

I hear HRE, and all I can think of is defenestration ;) kzbin.info/www/bejne/oHmteaesgsh1gaM

[@kawaiikantai3909]

recent examples of tourists in war are foreign volunteers in the syrian civil war. surprisingly there are a lot of people crossing the turkish border into the desert for a 'picnic' with $300,000

[@PointReflex]

Fiew things in life can be better than coming home after a day of hard work, ready yourself with some coffe, turn on the computer and watch Military History Visualized.

[@neilwilson5785]

It's a very relaxing thing. i If you are not British, I would suggest some Custard Cream or Bourbon biscuits with your coffee. It will be perfect.

[@anderazkuna6698]

Sounds like a plan

[@hawks1ish]

Totally man just chill, 420 and learn some amazing information about the Spanish Civil War

[@Lukeee91]

What if you are missing something crucial with the agricultural equipment!?!?

[@xSpiegelschattenx]

Armoured Traktors coming through!

[@juanlulourido548]

My great grandfather took part in the war, in the nationalist army (he was given the option of joining or be executed with all his family) and he saw a few panzerkampfwagen, btw he also survived without a scrath all the great battles, from the Ebro battle to the siege of Teruel, to get his legs cutted after the war in a train accident, nice video! Keep it cool!

[@neilwilson5785]

I hope your uncle recovered as much as was possible. War is hell.

[@juanlulourido548]

Neil Wilson Spanish civil war was in 1936-39, my great geandfather dies time ago, you must re-read the coment slower :D

[@hazzmati]

how in hell did his legs got cutted by a train? sounds awful

[@juanlulourido548]

Hazzmati There was in 1944 (5 years after the war was gone) a huge train crash in spain, the worst in spain’s history where more than 500 people got missing, my great grandfather was in that train and survived but his legs got traped between his seat and the seat of the guy in front of him, so he lost them... Luck is always a bitch!

[@jesusmena3505]

the nationalist army did not execute civilians for refusing to join the army, there's is not record about something like that happen and mens to fight was not a problem for both armies in the beginning. what happened a lot in both fronts was the "ley de trincheras" where whit out even a "consejo de guerra" the indiscipline was hardly punished. If you speak spanish see this video about the brigada 84, they suffer most the ley de trincheras then anyone. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpC8q4uXf695fNU PD:My grandfather fight whit the nationalist army aswell VOLUNTARY at the age of 17, and his big brother never fight.

[@podemosurss8316]

About the learning on infantry/tank coordination, I have to mention the battle of Brunete, an attempted offensive in which the Republicans ultimately lost due to the lack of coordination between infantry and tanks. At this point, the Republican forces had never fought using tanks in large numbers, and most conscripts had never even seen a tank on their live. The armoured battalion deployed to act as a sparhead made some advances but had to stop due to the fact that the infantry couldn't follow its path so quickly. Also, the battle of Madrid doesn't get the attention that it deserves. I mean, the Soviet defense on Moscow and Stalingrad was based on lessons learned during the battle for Madrid, like the fact that the defenders in urban warfare have a great advantage and that tanks have limited use in urban warfare (in fact the Republicans found that the Panzer I could be easily destroyed by throwing a gasoline-based bomb into its engine).

[@neilwilson5785]

It's very complicated to coordinate Armour, Infantry, Artillery, and Aviation. In the Spanish Civil War, radios were rare, which meant that you couldn't do that optimally.

[@podemosurss8316]

Also, if you use conscripts that had never seen a tanks on their lives there is a problem.

[@kategrant2728]

You mentioned the irony of Germans fighting Germans, there were also Irish fighting Irish in the Spanish Civil War.

[@neilwilson5785]

And everyone fighting everyone.

[@LukeBunyip]

At one point during the SCW, Italian International Brigade members realised that there were Fascist Italians in the trenches opposite them. The Italian communists started shooting, and hurling grenades AND insults at their countrymen. The Royal Italians troops yelled back "...why are you attacking us? We're Italian!", to which the Garibaldi Battalion members apparently yelled back "...EXACTLY!"

[@viorelviorel2324]

pretty much every one was fighting on both sides so its not unusual to see communists and nationalists from the same nation fight each other its like they took this from the streets of their home country to some place else

[@LukeBunyip]

*cough* Thälmann Brigade *cough* Yup. Good point.

[@HamSaladtv]

Kate, according to McGarry’s book on the Irish in the SCW, they got close but never were directly facing one another. The fascist Irish Brigade was however one of the main reasons the Connolly Column was formed. I’d love to see a video on the International Brigades one of these days :)

[@watdeneuk]

Please keep that outro music man, it's a fine piece of metal. Kinda reminds me of hell march (C&C Red Alert).

[@russwoodward8251]

Thanks for the research and fine presentation. I saw you did a video with The Chieftain and I've since followed your videos. Really great.

[@obergruppenfuhrerjohnsmith5981]

So this is where Putin got the idea for "oldiers on vacation".

[@jeffmoore9487]

Thanks again for covering important historical things nobody else covers.

[@od1452]

Good video. Thanks. Good to point out the recovery and maintenance lessons learned. Maintenance is the most important point most often overlooked by aficionados ... if the tank doesn't roll out ..you can't use it,. no mater how good it is.

[@ares106]

What ever do you mean Sir??? We are not combatants we are tourists! And those are not tanks they are modified tractors! We Germans love to plant fields of potatoes in all the counties we travel to!

[@sparviero142]

Interesting how a lot of nation watched and learned in the spanish civil war but never take into account a technological improvment on the enemy side. France underestimated development of german Panzers, Italy underestimated development of aircraft and even Germany did not recognize that the AT guns where not really effective.

[@socialjihad5724]

Actually, German panzers weren't really superior to French tanks. It was the radios, tactics and deployment of the panzers that allowed the Germans to run circles around the French...since panzer deployment was limited in Spain these advantages couldn't really be observed. Honestly, it seems as if even the Germans underestimated how effective the marriage of radio equipped tanks with panzer formations and encirclement tactics would be, as even the Germans were surprised at how quickly France fell

[@pedrohenriquemenegollitama909]

Nice video, TY

[@beastieman4207]

really great video my friend👍

[@IntelligentApe-d9m]

Could you also do a video on the Russian support for the communist forces in Spain? It seems they get left out, although I don't know if their support would be significant enough to make a video.

[@podemosurss8316]

Kampfgruppe Kastner They mostly sent materials and advisors. Plus, the Spanish PCE (Communist Party of Spain) had some people sent to the USSR prior to the war, to learn in the Frunze academy, like Enrique Líster or Torcuato Modesto.

[@GaveMeGrace1]

Thank you Danke

[@martinboland810]

Very rough calc, but based on typical reserve training these days (about 6 weeks of training), those ~2-300 Germans would have been training about 10 personnel (about one training squad depending on your army) which isn't out of the question.

[@Pumba70]

Meanwhile in HoI IV I send 4 Panzer divisions and win the war myself oof

[@Jamie-kg8ig]

And do it in 6 months by surrounding and killing entire Republican armies.

[@joshjwillway1545]

Jamthis Jam mate it's 'Some dancing Finnish soldier' from steam 😭

[@SergeantAradir]

Iam betting this high number of "trained" spanish soldiers comes from adding up all sort of training exercises together: For example a company who got one training session from a german tourist in how to operate with armed forces would then be counted "trained", even though this was one hour in a classroom, while a single soldier who got trained as a tankdriver would have probably got way more training hours, but would still only be listed as one trainee.

[@Ivane_Maskhulia]

Man you made my day. German turists with Panzers was hillarious )))

[@martinlaird4738]

That beard is top notch sir, great video as always

[@4GRIPHUS]

Another thing unknown about this war is that the Molotov cocktail was invented in Spain.

[@garn3590]

Thought in FInland, at least i'm pretty sure the name was given by the FInnish to mock Molotov, but i could be wrong

[@4GRIPHUS]

Simone Priori Yes in the winter war the finnish used it, but it was in the Spanish civil war when it was invented few years before.

[@kstreet7438]

BcA Rubén kinda weird it took that long for someone to invent it.

[@jeronimocanton9557]

I would like to know about Spanish support units for the luftwafe on the battle of Moscow.

[@johnd2058]

3:45 "...the irony of Germans fighting Germans..." -- not really; that was the fate of Germans for thousands of years. Even WWII could (with great difficulty) be constructed as a German civil war by roundabout means; half of the 'white' American troops were ethnic Germans, and it's worth mentioning where the Franks and the Angles and Saxons came from. That Germany is resisting divisive Putintrolling proves they remember the price of masturbatory extremism: it really _is_ 'self-abuse'.

[@kstreet7438]

Great practice

[@neilwilson5785]

Your username is fun. I suggest basketball. You won't regret it, Adolf. It might lead to less trouble later on.

[@kstreet7438]

Neil Wilson edit: forget my previous comment. I did this month's ago and you the first to get it. Awesome.

[@Majestodpj33]

the spanish civil war was the war ho opened to a modern warfare in europe in the second part the unc country ho have young veterans was spain and the prove is the battle of volga. the germans in that moment they are learning from the spanish civil war and the new metodes for the war

[@aden5776]

I saw your video on how to break out of encirclements. Could you do a video about how to destroy encircled enemy pockets?

[@ltsmash195]

Aden Litwiller you make the ting go skra papa boom blah

[@QuizmasterLaw]

The training number is realistic. It takes one NCO to train a platoon of 36-40 men. His first task is to find the best motivated and strongest in his platoon and make them his runner or runners. With three good subordinates he can train that platoon in the most basic combat tasks (marching, firing) in one week. In one month he can get in land navigation and rudimentary tactics. The war lasted 3 years or so which means 150 weeks times about what was it 700 German trainers. That's a lot of time in fact. I think the quickest one can do a basic infantry course including more than the most rudimentary skills and tactics but also first aid and simple tactics is six weeks. I would prefer to have 3 trainers (one officer 2 ncos) per platoon but it CAN be done with one trainer. In either case of course part of training is delegation. Also these units will fight better as a unit rather than being parcelled out as individual replacements to front line units. The noob always gets the most dangerous assignments :/ Best would be to have front line units as officer/nco cadres and replacement platoons trainers replaced by the core combat cadre.

[@LA_Commander]

Any videos on the Spanish "Blue" division which fought on the OstFront?

[@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized]

no

[@brianwyters2150]

Why don't more vehicles have sloped armor? The Pz.IV has a massive flat plate of armor on the front of the turret. If you sloped it forward, it would actually give the crew a bit more room on the inside.

[@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized]

no, one of the major drawbacks of sloped armor is that it takes away a lot of space. There are other reasons as well, as outlined by the director of the Panzer Museum in this interview: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rWTShph_j5qcm7c

[@Majestodpj33]

and thank you for your worck

[@donfelipe7510]

That is a truly excellent beard.

[@agoost8276]

Do you know anything on the Bundeswehr? I wanted to know if have any sources about the Bundeswehr in the 1980s.

[@QuizmasterLaw]

What exactly are you looking for?

[@agoost8276]

Ann Onymous Structure of the Army or battle plans within the 1980s.

[@QuizmasterLaw]

^this is an example of Soviet infiltration and sabotage, all of it: use your pacifist useful idiots to undermine force readiness with constant whining defeatism etc. Meanwhile bribe or compromise or infiltrate leadership at all levels to defeat your enemy before the battle starts. Russian/Soviet deception warfare is consistetly ignored (also no accident: they don't want us to notice all that). It's effectiveness is thus also ignored (and it can be VERY effective). Bagration is the best example of Soviet deception operations' successes but is FAR from the only one.

[@QuizmasterLaw]

lol tell me more about what the people in the Aquarium back in Moscow think

[@ddjay1363]

@Military History for Adults Good vid. I have recently discovered the YT channel by TIK. He does very detailed vids about WWII and includes vid about some early war campaigns that most people are unaware of ie; Operations Battleaxe , Brevity etc. He has done a few vids about Stalingrad and 'Case Blue' which are very good. He is currently working on a documentary about Stalingrad. It'd be interesting to see a collaboration between TIK and yourself.

[@podemosurss8316]

The Spanish nationalists made modifications to the Panzer I placing a 40mm gun in the turret instead of the dual MG. They were nicknamed "Negrillos" (blackies) by the soldiers.

[@neilwilson5785]

I'd love to see a photo - would the turret take a 40mm? Maybe a 37mm, or a 20mm.

[@podemosurss8316]

Version modified to fit a 20mm gun: lh3.googleusercontent.com/-aq2ITNw1BgI/UKP5tG9LevI/AAAAAAAAFbI/E8b6DVSKBYU/s1600/breda%2B3.jpg I couldn't find the 40mm version. Sorry.

[@Karthagast]

I'm afraid that version armed with a 40mm never existed. The version of Pzkw I armed with a 20mm Breda AA gun existed. It was the only suitable armament upgrade possible on a Pzkw I due to lack of space.

[@podemosurss8316]

Yes. I got confused, it was proposed but neglected.

[@Majestodpj33]

and one thing was ilarius to me the first modern tank was a spanish tank called berdeja

[@FlyingRazzo]

What about the tank usage and experience by USSR and Republicans?

[@variszuzans299]

Given the circumstances, leichttraktors would have been more effective by far. And easier to ship in.

[@Pfsif]

German Panzer 1 were NOT a problem against a Char B1. The Char B1 eats Panzer 1's for breakfast.

[@terraflow__bryanburdo4547]

Maybe, but more Pzkw I's in Paris 1940 than Car B1's haha

[@neilwilson5785]

What about a Char B1 that has run out of fuel. Or a Matilda 2 that is in the wrong place. That's war.

[@AVKnecht]

Everyone knows that Germany should deploy at least 3 Divisions and have them fight all the time for that sweet Army XP

[@stuff9680]

Unless it's HOI4 and 10 panzer 1 tanks could kill a Tiger 1

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

Youve done lessons not learned, will you do lessons learn in the Spanish Civil War?

[@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized]

Yeah, likely

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

Military History for Adults GREAT!

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

Fanat Špadi Fuck Mingled languajes Fixed

[@andresmartinezramos7513]

Fanat Špadi Spanish-French-English

[@podemosurss8316]

Military History for Adults Lesson no 1 learned: if you're out of ammo when flying a fighter, you can destroy an enemy bomber by throwing tools into its engines

[@-few-fernando11]

@6:21

[@comradegeneralvladimirpoot1313]

Wait I'm confused, why did the Germans use bees again?

[@Pasteurpipette]

I wonder why the Pz1 was so different from Soviet designs, considering the tank school deal Germany and the USSR had

[@podemosurss8316]

PasteurPipet To confuse the western powers as, if only armed with MGs, it could be said that it was just an infantry support vehicle.

[@neilwilson5785]

This is when I get interested. 'Let's not talk about the aerial units, let's talk about the army units' A. We are going to hear about the Army units. B. MAH will do the aviation. Am I right? Nice.

[@mergele1000]

I am pretty sure he already did one about that, though I was unable to find it right now so I may bee wrong about that.

[@juliusbelisarius753]

Do German advisers in China.

[@od1452]

Like the info.Think about 6200 Spaniards were trained for the Tanks, and Anti-tank, Maintenance and Transport. . Best as I can tell there were only 4 Panzer and 2 T26 companies.( Not counting the odd old tank companies .. 2 ish? ) But I think they were really good trainers. The Nationalists seem to be more professional while I sense the Republican forces had trouble here.. even frustrating the Russians. While I admire the Republican esprit , I sense they seemed to not quite get it... Militarily and Politically... I know Flak was only German operated and by the Air arm as were some technical units like Radio intercept.. Their Motorized Equipment was widely varied and really mostly civilian... which make sense that early..but I don't think Germany really simplified and standardized rolling stock during the war. A lesson that should have been learned here. But maybe I'm wrong here. It seems that this happens because Blomberg was the man who started the new German Army and this early effort recognized that Germany Lost the war and these officers (he chose) decided that they would change the Army so it would win the next war. There must be a good book on this?

[@podemosurss8316]

Panzerkampfwagen I, also known as "target for practices" by the Republicans...

[@neilwilson5785]

It was a tankette, really. Not effective, but you had to use it.

[@timonsolus]

Not a tankette - those have no turrets (Italian L33/35). The Pzkpfw I was a light tank, inspired by the British Light Tank Mark II, which entered limited production in 1929.

[@Karthagast]

Tim Smith. The difference between a tank and a tankette was not to hve turret or to be turretless. The difference was to be armed with a proper gun, at least 20mm cannon, or to be armed with mere machine guns. Ultimately tankettes were, as described by an author whose name I don't remember, "the armored carrier of one or two machine guns".

[@Karthagast]

In the 30's there were some kind of "tankette fever" spreading around the world. At that time you had the Italian models CV33, CV35 and CV38 (later renamed L3/33, L3/35 and L3/38), the Polish series of TKS and even a Spanish Republican model based on the Sadurní tractor manufactured by IGC. All those model were turretless, armed with one or two machine guns. Then you had the more refined models of tankettes having turret, the German Pzkw I, the British series, pompously named "light tanks", from LT Mk I to LT Mk VI, the two first versions of the French model AMR-35, the Czech model, turned to Romanian, R-1, and the Japanese model Type 94 Te-Ke. All those models had turret but still armament consisting of machine guns.

[@dorathesovietexplorer4539]

Yessssss

[@QuizmasterLaw]

88l56 versus T-26 lol...

[@nickmuller5297]

Ich kann nicht glauben dass du ernsthaft "Panzers" geschrieben hast... :D

[@orkhepaj]

put down those arms...

[@stachuuchats7801]

...

[@MrMenefrego1]

Although an excellent effort, As always you are forgetting the Fascist Italian intervention in the Spanish Civil War... They were there at the SAME TIME, so why does everyone, and I mean EVERYONE forget this fact? Other than that, excellent effort!

[@shawngilliland243]

Fascist Italy was sent what was by far the largest foreign force involved in the Spanish Civil War; you're quite right about that - why does no one cover that?

[@patriciusvunkempen102]

idk how that is irony? communists are communists