The Leibniz rule for integrals: The Derivation

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@LuisFlores-mu7jc
@LuisFlores-mu7jc 5 жыл бұрын
Flammable Math: Can we interchange the limit and the integral? We are going to assume that we can. Me: *Cringes in Monotone Convergence Theorem, Fatou’s Lemma, and Dominated Convergence Theorem.*
@tangpiseth8416
@tangpiseth8416 3 жыл бұрын
Isn't the Dominated Convergence Theorem enough for interchanging the limit and integral?
@LuisFlores-mu7jc
@LuisFlores-mu7jc 3 жыл бұрын
It is, but you first have to demonstrate that a dominating function exists.
@tangpiseth8416
@tangpiseth8416 3 жыл бұрын
@@LuisFlores-mu7jc Okay thanks! Because over here at my engineering college, we do not cover the theorems and lemma of what math majors usually go through so I do not know much about other theorems ): I want to major in math but the closest thing to a math major in my country is an engineering major.
@dw5chaosfan
@dw5chaosfan 5 жыл бұрын
For anyone who is watching now and wondering about whether the limit and the integral can be exchanged: wikipedia article on Leibniz Integral Rule, under the section "proof of basic form", has the details. You'll need analysis to fully understand, but basically assuming the partial derivative exists and is continuous, it holds.
@homosapien5684
@homosapien5684 Жыл бұрын
@@thegigachad1254 why are you so mad😂
@adi8oii
@adi8oii Жыл бұрын
Thank you!! This is one thing about the video that was annoying me, but now I can go check out the wiki page!
@IlTrojo
@IlTrojo 6 жыл бұрын
I was going to point out too, then I read supergeek supergeek's and ERik's comments below: at 9:40 you plug the boundary values into the t-part of f(x,t) instead than into the x-part. Then sending things to zero collapses the mistake. Great channel anyway, keep going!
@vibhu8024
@vibhu8024 3 жыл бұрын
I love how you set it up so perfectly that one could easily derive the formula for when a and b are functions of t from here.
@barbazzfoo
@barbazzfoo 4 жыл бұрын
thorough ground-up explanation that tied in the relevant theorems and definitions. thank you so much :)
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! =D
@FernandoVinny
@FernandoVinny 6 жыл бұрын
After this video I'm convinced that what I like is Algebra, Number Theory and Discrete Maths
@nahidhkurdi6740
@nahidhkurdi6740 5 жыл бұрын
Be sure whatever alarmed you here would follow you in Analytic Number Theory, at least.
@oneinabillion654
@oneinabillion654 5 жыл бұрын
Still calc all the way
@oneinabillion654
@oneinabillion654 5 жыл бұрын
Flammable maths, it'll be great if you can create playlist for all ur integral techniques especially for high school students like me. I just completed A levels. I also completed calc 1 and 2. I've been interested in integration lately. I need such playlists
@robmorgan1214
@robmorgan1214 5 жыл бұрын
Heh... it's all the same thing at the end of the day... only difference is notation. Look at operator notation in QM, QED and particle physics, it will make you feel better and worse about all things discrete. Look at Noether's theorem and the Lorentz group.
@robmorgan1214
@robmorgan1214 4 жыл бұрын
@@jcd-k2s yes from a technical perspective no from an intuitive. Also where that analytic stuff leads is not something to sneeze at look at renormalization group flow look at universality etc. as well as the work on what is and is not possible in different dimensions/spaces. Most people get stuck on the quantum "paradoxes" that lead to all the wave particle Copenhagen handwringing. This is unnecessary if you ground your intuition in the algebra and statistics instead of the geometry. The geometry follows from the algebra and the paradoxes ARE part of that emergent geometry not the other way around. Gain an intuitive understanding of this and quantum mechanics becomes about as confusing and difficult "understand" as any other physical theory. No one wastes any time worrying about why the order of rotation of a physical object about 3 axes determines its orientation and which face it presents. Some things commute some don't and this has consequences in how they project on to the chosen basis of measurement. As for the born rule that's a different can of worms but one that's no more mysterious than the Pythagorean theorem or the boundary conditions canceling the contribution of the retarded potential, or any similar conservation law. The point is we learn techniques and many different ways to approach looking at the same problem without deference to how the mind that evolved to solve calculus and geometry problems in a 3d world can be recruited and changed into a mind capable of thinking about and "understanding" problems outside the realm of common perception othen than trough cheap projection or the parlor tricks of metaphorical representation. That's a problem straight out of differential geometry. How to make the brain think in manifolds about manifolds that exist in topological or algebraic spaces it does not currently possess. The math and pedagogy is a means to physically grow a physical representation of itself in an object embedded in a discrete 3d space... yeah that's something that makes my head explode to consider and the hard part is definitely not the differential geometry part... we get that for free from things like vision, facial recognition, hunting, throwing, and knitting skills.
@thomasjefferson6225
@thomasjefferson6225 Жыл бұрын
Papa Flamey, I love you diversification of the channel. You taught my Norwegian wife how to make American pancakes. She only knew how to make the inferior European version. Now you're helping me with my homework for this week. Thank you for the value you have provided me.
@43.5
@43.5 5 жыл бұрын
10:35 there is confusion about the integral of f to F is subject to x (first variable), then the central theorem derivative is about second variable t
@yiruili2453
@yiruili2453 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't know how to fix that, but thanks to IITrojo's comment. I think the correct one should be: the integral equals F(b+delta b, t+delta t)-F(b, t+delta t)=dF(c, t+delta t)/dx *delta b= f(c, t+delta t) delta b. Just for everyone's convenience.
@RealMcDudu
@RealMcDudu 4 жыл бұрын
Note that delta-b is actually (b(t+delta(t)) - b(t)) and same for a. Also there's probably some conditions on which you can replace the integral and the limit on the 1st term, most likely that it converges. Since you require the definite integral between a and b, this is most likely to happen.
@michaldvorak8586
@michaldvorak8586 6 жыл бұрын
At around 10:00 mark, shouldn't you plug those bounds for x instead? I am confused :(
@michaldvorak8586
@michaldvorak8586 6 жыл бұрын
Oh, you bad boii 0 this all equals to f(c,t)db.
@MarcoMate87
@MarcoMate87 6 жыл бұрын
It's all correct except for the last limit. As b(t) is supposed to be derivable (and so continuous), when dt -> 0 also db -> 0. So, the entire limit simply goes to 0. In fact, you have to do the limit not in this moment, but later, when you divide by dt: in that case, when dt -> 0, f(c,t+dt) db/dt -> f(b,t) b'(t). In the hypotheses, omitted from the beginning, we have to suppose a(t) and b(t) as derivable functions of t, and f(x,t) as an integrable function with respect of x ( for example f continuous w.r.t. x ), and derivable function with respect to t.
@elasmarsaadallah6126
@elasmarsaadallah6126 6 жыл бұрын
👍🏼
@newkid9807
@newkid9807 5 жыл бұрын
Flammable Maths I thought you were the mistake!
@vishakp89
@vishakp89 5 жыл бұрын
The whole proof thus has an error
@premdeepkhatri1441
@premdeepkhatri1441 Жыл бұрын
Excellent Understanding of mathematics by this Young boy. Thank youn for explaining Leibniz rule of Integration.
@GeodesicBruh
@GeodesicBruh 5 жыл бұрын
Is he a student or a professor?
@BeattapeFactory
@BeattapeFactory 4 жыл бұрын
he is so much more dude...so much more :')
@aryan040103
@aryan040103 4 жыл бұрын
Student studying to be a professor IIRC.
@lunaleonem3378
@lunaleonem3378 4 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@mohandas5118
@mohandas5118 4 жыл бұрын
@@aryan040103 you re s
@Mr-dq6gc
@Mr-dq6gc 4 жыл бұрын
Yes
@bobman8192
@bobman8192 4 жыл бұрын
Papa flammy’s voice was so deep damn, Also, who else is here watching prerequisite videos for log gamma video
@trttrt9838
@trttrt9838 4 жыл бұрын
Ich hab das so lange gesucht! Dankee! Es war seeehr nützlich :)
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
@ThAlEdison
@ThAlEdison 7 жыл бұрын
I thought because the integral was a definite integral in terms of x, that I() was only dependent on t, not both x and t.
@bggbbdg5625
@bggbbdg5625 5 жыл бұрын
Erin Cobb Yes, I should be a function of t only. A minor mistake.
@murtithinker7660
@murtithinker7660 4 жыл бұрын
@@bggbbdg5625 Not a mistake. I is both dependent on x and t, but the integral was given in terms of x alone. The fact that the integral of I(x,t) is done over x does not mean that I is only I(x). That is why he started with dI/dt, which clearly means it is not zero. There was no mistake sir.
@digbycrankshaft7572
@digbycrankshaft7572 2 жыл бұрын
@@murtithinker7660 if the function is integrated in terms of x and the limits of integration are in terms of t then when they are substituted in for the x values the entire expression would be a function of t and so I(x,t) would actually be I(t) so the way it is written at the beginning does appear to be erroneous.
@Leakey57
@Leakey57 11 ай бұрын
Well done sir, even your dog would have understood your exposition. Thank you for reminding me just how much tremendous fun exploring calculus can be. I wish someone could make the dry internals of algebra as exciting...
@susiehue9465
@susiehue9465 6 жыл бұрын
at 10:00 when it said F(x,db)-F(x,b) i spent a solid half hour trying to figure out how that was possible. turns out it was a mistake on his part lol
@ゾカリクゾ
@ゾカリクゾ 6 жыл бұрын
you could have looked at the video though
@seriousbusiness2293
@seriousbusiness2293 6 жыл бұрын
Stopped the video exactly like you and was also baffled until I read your helpful comment.
@flutterwind7686
@flutterwind7686 4 жыл бұрын
I am confused. What's the error
@oni8337
@oni8337 3 жыл бұрын
@@flutterwind7686 Error is that the function was in respect to x so the bounds that he substituted in should be in the x part
@douro20
@douro20 2 жыл бұрын
It's commonly called "Feynman's Technique" because it was him who popularised it in his lectures on teaching science and maths.
@GAPIntoTheGame
@GAPIntoTheGame 5 жыл бұрын
10:39 When you are integrating f(x, t+delta t) with respect to x why are you substituting the boundaries on the t variable? If you are integrating with respect to x the boundaries should be added to x, right?(Even if the upper bound and lower bound are in terms of t)
@finalpurez
@finalpurez 2 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking about this too... Is there any particular reason why its like this?
@restitutororbis964
@restitutororbis964 6 жыл бұрын
The leibniz rule is so powerful. Thank Papa leibniz for this rule and Feynmann for making it popular.
@sshannon1948
@sshannon1948 5 жыл бұрын
Again..thank you for all of your effort...it takes time, dedication and passion...
@AlBoulley
@AlBoulley 2 ай бұрын
future flammy woulda given the chef’s kiss after QED box
@zhaow4832
@zhaow4832 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. This helped a lot. I can feel your excitement as you finished the derivation :D
@leif1075
@leif1075 4 жыл бұрын
Mr. Flammy, A plus delta a is greater than a so you have to switch the linits of integration at 4:19. Also the other inegrand shiuld have linits of b and a pkus delta a..because delta a is between a and b..
@الفيزياء-ب2ي
@الفيزياء-ب2ي 3 жыл бұрын
👌😂
@juodapimpiumusikas9495
@juodapimpiumusikas9495 10 ай бұрын
Correct me if I'm wrong but.. I think by the fundamental theorem of calculus: [ F(a) - F(a+del_a) ] + [ F(b) - F(a) ] + [ F(b+del_b) - F(b) ], which simplifies to -F(a+del_a)+F(b+del_b) which is the integral from a+del_a to b+del_b
@MadSideburns
@MadSideburns 6 жыл бұрын
Who's here because feeling guilty of not knowing the Leibniz rule after having whatched today's video (26^{th} June 2018)?
@kairostimeYT
@kairostimeYT 6 жыл бұрын
me
@restitutororbis964
@restitutororbis964 6 жыл бұрын
MadSideburns Me, but I mean its understandable. Us young mathematicians and young physicist barely got into advanced Maths. The leibniz rule is probably from now on my favorite rule due to how powerful it is. Any integral that cant be solved with any sub or series, easily solved by the leibniz rule, its just so elegant and powerful. Papa flammy ' s proof is also my favorite.
@restitutororbis964
@restitutororbis964 6 жыл бұрын
Well I myself dont know much about the rule, i know the process and proof and its use, but its great and one importance is that, any integral that was "impossible" to solve could now be solved with this technique which could POSSIBLY come useful when studying physics if you do stumble across something that is "impossible" to compute. I REALLY doubt it though since physics uses the lightest of mathematics and doesn´t go too deep into a certain technique. Like Feynman said, "The physicist is always interested in the special case", so a professor giving a lecture will never cover a general case on when you can use this since you will most likely never use it. This technique works really well if you are doing a hard problem just for the fun of it, it leans more into the pure maths side of importance.
@restitutororbis964
@restitutororbis964 6 жыл бұрын
Ardian Np, I myself dont know physics(yet) at all since im doing self study. Im currently finishing up differential equations and calculus 3 which are the prerequisites to even learn Classical mechanics or really any undergrad physics course.
@MadSideburns
@MadSideburns 6 жыл бұрын
@@restitutororbis964 I'll come back here and tell you some cases in which the Leibniz rule is useful when I will study Physics II (in Italy this is the name of the module about electromagnetism). I bet there will be plenty of them. See you in a couple months ma bois.
@void2258
@void2258 Жыл бұрын
I was with this until 10:10. You plugged the limits of integration with respect to x in for t in when evaluating the integral.
@jacobharris5894
@jacobharris5894 4 жыл бұрын
Great video. I actually understand most of it this time.
@beoptimistic5853
@beoptimistic5853 3 жыл бұрын
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@bggbbdg5625
@bggbbdg5625 5 жыл бұрын
You are so helpful in my learning of advanced maths. Thanks a lot! You are so great!
@monke9865
@monke9865 6 жыл бұрын
At 12:00 b is continous function of t so delta of b is actually b(t+delta t) - b(t) so it goes to zero as delta t goes to zero...
@robmorgan1214
@robmorgan1214 5 жыл бұрын
Great video, very clear explanation! It's just given in Strauss in the appendix as a theorem but never really proven. This is a shame since it's such an important result and people often forget to differentiate the bounds of the integral which is problematic in many situations in engineering physics and differential geometry. It's also not clear how to handle it when the derivative may not exist but the integral does (ie integrating around a pole/residue etc.) Just some ideas for future videos, maybe take this on in the context of an analytic function or a Feynman path integral, or a problem that needs renormalization... I'd prefer you didn't wave your hands while doing it but Andrew may be watching so just do what feels right!
@spanishlanguageeducational3737
@spanishlanguageeducational3737 4 жыл бұрын
I had to watch your video 5 times, but I finally got it. Thank you!
@beoptimistic5853
@beoptimistic5853 3 жыл бұрын
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@user-so2gs2gw9z
@user-so2gs2gw9z 6 жыл бұрын
thanks for your help. I'm student studying Economics in Korea. Leibinz rule for differentiation of definite integrals was big problem to me. I can now overcome that thanks to you. ^^
@boliboba8717
@boliboba8717 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this explanation! From Russia
@christianjorquera
@christianjorquera 7 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I discover this channel. greetings from Chili :D
@kevinarturourrutiaalvarez2613
@kevinarturourrutiaalvarez2613 Жыл бұрын
Beautiful explanation. Thank you Papa Flammy!
@CrazyY637
@CrazyY637 Жыл бұрын
Fun and cute explanation of Math. You are the beeeeesssttt!
@MrKelvinJane
@MrKelvinJane 5 жыл бұрын
Around 15:35, regarding the first integral, when the limit of an integral is the integral of the limit, what theorem is used there?
@harukananami6615
@harukananami6615 5 жыл бұрын
Siu Kwan Yuen Actually , should use lebesgue dominated convergence theorem. To be honest, math people never interchaning limit with integral without justify. This video is for engineering probably
@MrRishi_YT
@MrRishi_YT 6 жыл бұрын
Idk if you are going to see this comment, but Im just saying, thank you because I thought your whole channel composed of mostly high level stuff, so I was so happy when you linked this video to a newer one so that I could actually know the “why does this work?” Behind he math you where doing
@MrRishi_YT
@MrRishi_YT 6 жыл бұрын
Flammable Maths damn you really do care about the comments, this made me happy :)
@gnikola2013
@gnikola2013 6 жыл бұрын
At 14:12, the terms f(a,t)Δa and f(b,t)Δb are the results of f(c1,t)Δa and f(c2,t)Δb (you called them both c) when Δt tends to zero, so they shouldn't be placed inside of the limit again as you musn't replace an expression inside a limit whith the value to which it tends. I mean the end product is the same, because you then could've just written f(c,t)Δt/Δt and then calculate the limit and get f(b,t)db/dt, but the way you did it is a bit less rigorous. Or am I talking pure nonsense? What I'm trying to say would be really easy if I were there with you pointing at stuff the on the board lol
@engr.rimarc.liguan1795
@engr.rimarc.liguan1795 5 жыл бұрын
Watching this late at night while wearing headset in loud volume then suddenly the sound. Haha. My sleepy feeling gone. 🤣
@codyfan4070
@codyfan4070 6 жыл бұрын
Around the 5:00 minute mark, how does the linearity thing work for integrals? Why can you split the integral up like you did? Can someone pls explain?
@MathPhysicsFunwithGus
@MathPhysicsFunwithGus 3 жыл бұрын
No words can describe how beautiful I found this video, amazing derivation! I aspire to explain concepts half as well! Thank you!
@beoptimistic5853
@beoptimistic5853 3 жыл бұрын
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@astroboy6608
@astroboy6608 4 жыл бұрын
Other mathematicians: QED Flammable: *slams board* DONE BEI GOTT
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
BEI GOTT!
@astroboy6608
@astroboy6608 4 жыл бұрын
Flammable Maths bro i want that to be your official way of ending proofs, if not then I’m gonna have to steal because I’ve never laughed so hard during a math video before.
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
Alright, I'll try to use it more chief.
@maxmuller590
@maxmuller590 6 жыл бұрын
Holy shit i Watch this Video so often i Love it
@alancai9982
@alancai9982 3 жыл бұрын
Young Papa Flammy is so cute
@HUEHUEUHEPony
@HUEHUEUHEPony 3 жыл бұрын
yes there's an error at 10:00 where he substitutes the variables, read the comments to find out how it is solved :o
@domenicapincay8313
@domenicapincay8313 2 жыл бұрын
Incredible, thank you for this amazing video. Greetings from Ecuador.
@josvandeneynde5849
@josvandeneynde5849 6 жыл бұрын
Helped me a lot! Keep the math going!!
@nicholasleclerc1583
@nicholasleclerc1583 6 жыл бұрын
At 10:31, why does Int{from b to b + delta-b} f(x,t + delta-t) dx = F(x,b + delta-b) - F(x,b) and not F(b + delta-b,t + delta-t) - F(b,t + delta-t) ?
@lightspd714
@lightspd714 4 жыл бұрын
Best explanation I’ve seen on this subject!
@beoptimistic5853
@beoptimistic5853 3 жыл бұрын
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@vinuthomas2814
@vinuthomas2814 4 жыл бұрын
I would not have thought to say a(t+deltaT)=a+deltaA: interesting. I was a little confused when the integral was split, but I see now the idea is the integral over [a+deltaA, b+deltaB] = integral over [a,b+deltaB] - integral over [a, a+deltaA]
@beoptimistic5853
@beoptimistic5853 3 жыл бұрын
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@vinuthomas2814
@vinuthomas2814 3 жыл бұрын
@@beoptimistic5853 He starts off by saying volume is a triple integral - off to a bad start...
@beoptimistic5853
@beoptimistic5853 3 жыл бұрын
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@tlenf
@tlenf 2 жыл бұрын
14:00 How do we take the derivative inside the integral? After all, the limits are still a function of t. It may be illogical but I just don't get it. As far as I know, one can bring the differential operator inside the integral (integration wrt 'x') when the limits of integration are independent of 't'.
@ENTMusic-cj7wt
@ENTMusic-cj7wt Жыл бұрын
This is truly beautiful
@killihanma3146
@killihanma3146 3 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why, at 15:12, we can interchange the limit and the integral ?
@mathunt1130
@mathunt1130 Жыл бұрын
Write the integral as: I(a(t),b(t),t) and use the chain rule to obtain: I'(a(t),b(t),t)=\partial_{a}Ida/dt+\partial_{b}Idb/dt+\partial_{t}I(a(t),b(t),t) and simply write down the terms.
@rezamiau
@rezamiau 4 жыл бұрын
ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT !! but I'm really curious about how quickly you swap the board and you don't hurt your fingers. that's incredible! be careful man, we need you.
@beoptimistic5853
@beoptimistic5853 3 жыл бұрын
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@martinsanchez-hw4fi
@martinsanchez-hw4fi Жыл бұрын
Does the integral in 2:00 depend on x? Wouldn't it be a function of t exclusively?
@prosnape2704
@prosnape2704 5 жыл бұрын
LOVE your video!Keep up with your good work! :3
@danielburgess6787
@danielburgess6787 2 жыл бұрын
Watched this for the first time a few years ago and didnt really understand what was going on or how to use this rule. Now, after my first semester of a mathematics degree at university - i still dont really understand whats going on
@vynneve
@vynneve 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!!! This proof was annoying me because I couldn't find a nice explanation for it. Finally get it now. I literally have an undergrad in maths and have never seen this, strange. But ya it's really cool. thanks again
@edwinlin7348
@edwinlin7348 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for all your hard work :D. I'm really looking forward to fresnel integrals > f(b,t)delta(b), why does that delta(b) remain unchanged. Wouldn't that go to 0 as well if we take the limit as delta(t) goes to 0, since that's what allows us to change c --> b in the first place?
@brendanlee1707
@brendanlee1707 3 жыл бұрын
I don’t understand 11:01 , if we r integrating w respect to x, why is it that the boundaries are inputted to the t variable of primitive F? Shouldn’t it be F(b + db, t+ dt) - F(b, t+dt)?
@AnkitYadav-zg5zd
@AnkitYadav-zg5zd 3 жыл бұрын
MISTAKE!!! AT EXACTLY 9:46. Intigration has the variable x so limits will be placed for x not for t.
@Kuratius
@Kuratius 7 жыл бұрын
Have you tried differentiating an integral using the multi-dimensional chain rule? It makes the the Leibniz Integral rule obvious.
@MathsForYou-n4z
@MathsForYou-n4z Жыл бұрын
Smooth and interesting explanation Continue
@writedan
@writedan 5 жыл бұрын
I think I(t) not I(x,t) since since x is integrated out
@akshaypr9164
@akshaypr9164 4 жыл бұрын
Flammable math: Can we interchange the limit and the integral? Me: Should I consider Riemann integration or Lebesgue integration??? .....and after a while I cringe in monotone convergence theorem, change of variables in lebesgue integration ,fatou's lemma and dominated convergence theorem....and the list continues..
@yaschendlima4746
@yaschendlima4746 4 жыл бұрын
for the bounds of integration why do you separate [(a + delta a) to (b + delta b)] as [(delta a) to a] + [a to b] + ..., instead of [a to (delta a)] + ...
@anushkasingh9332
@anushkasingh9332 3 жыл бұрын
I am confused as well
@ajinkyapawar8662
@ajinkyapawar8662 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, sheldon started a KZbin channel!
@samirgeiger1042
@samirgeiger1042 6 жыл бұрын
15:20 I dont quite get how the integrant becomes dt(f(x,t)), i assume you are using L'hopital yes? So dont you have to differentiate the whole sum in the numerator? Where did dt(f(x,t+dt)) go?
@iamgroot3615
@iamgroot3615 4 жыл бұрын
Just think of the integral as an infinite sum. The derivative of the sum is the same as the sum of the derivatives
@TheReptileDragons
@TheReptileDragons 6 жыл бұрын
At 9:51 why do we ignore delta t when plugging in the bounds?
@donghyunlee801
@donghyunlee801 Жыл бұрын
11:50 I can't not understand...could some one help me?
@jebhank1620
@jebhank1620 3 жыл бұрын
How does one become such a cheeky math monke 😍
@kwameawereohemeng3931
@kwameawereohemeng3931 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the proof. A follow up question is what if the limits of integration involve infinity? Also, are there restrictions on when the integral and differentiation operators cannot be interchanged? Thanks.
@antonioromerio5555
@antonioromerio5555 2 жыл бұрын
If a or b go to infinity you can do this exact process. Just have on the outside a limit saying that a or b goes to infinity or minus infinity. Then when the process is finished you can distribute the limit back into the answer.
@kwameawereohemeng3931
@kwameawereohemeng3931 2 жыл бұрын
@@antonioromerio5555 okay thanks. Do you have an idea of my other question?
@antonioromerio5555
@antonioromerio5555 2 жыл бұрын
@@kwameawereohemeng3931 I believe any such restrictions should be the same as those already placed upon a definitely integrable function. f(x,t) has to be continuous on [a,b] and definitely needs to be differentiable with respect to t. a(t) and b(t) must also be differentiable, but these things all just follow from the result
@Zonnymaka
@Zonnymaka 7 жыл бұрын
I feel you pain, dude...it's not so easy to record a flawless session. Keep up the good work tho! (Please, leave the "Umm, what can we do now" catchphrase to RedPen! I'm sure you'll come up with something original which will fit your carachter!)
@blackpenredpen
@blackpenredpen 7 жыл бұрын
Zonnymaka eh! I don't even notice that myself lol.
@nicholasleclerc1583
@nicholasleclerc1583 6 жыл бұрын
Zonnymaka .......*Isn’t it ?* ; D
@apolloniuspergus9295
@apolloniuspergus9295 6 жыл бұрын
Bei Gott, what a coincidence.
@WIDSTIGETHEVLOGGER
@WIDSTIGETHEVLOGGER 10 ай бұрын
How does he know that I’m watching this in the morning when he says good morning😰
@6octaveoctopus
@6octaveoctopus 6 жыл бұрын
at 9:52 why didn't you integrate with respect to x? You put the upper and lower bounds of the integral in the t slot.
@supergeeksupergeek2355
@supergeeksupergeek2355 6 жыл бұрын
Excuse me, but I think I found a little error. When you use the primitive of f(x, t + delta t) to solve its integral you wrote F(x, b + delta b) - F(x, b) but you were integrating over x so the expression should be F(b + deltab, t + delta t) - F(b, t + delta t). Because at being integrating over x f(x, t + delta t) is a function of x and t + delta t would be a constant.
@Gossamer2288
@Gossamer2288 6 жыл бұрын
I was just going to ask the same question. That could be a small error which does not contribute very much to the conclusion. in 9:50, you should first rewrite the integral f(x,t+delta t) as integral of f(x,t)+f'*delta t (definition of derivate) then use the mean value theorem which gives you f(c,t)*delta b +f'(c,t)*delta t* delta b, then dividing this term by delta t and sending it to zero you get f(b,t)*b'(t) +f'(b,t)* delta b, where delta b is infinitesimally small and therefore zero. So you will get the same result f(b,t)*b'(t)
@metuphys5611
@metuphys5611 2 жыл бұрын
@@Gossamer2288 yep same question on my mind as well
@Matthew.Moulton
@Matthew.Moulton 4 жыл бұрын
At 9:56 why doesn't b + delta b replace x instead of t?
@beoptimistic5853
@beoptimistic5853 3 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHenfpR-hpmejZo ...💐
@mohammedyakoob5972
@mohammedyakoob5972 4 жыл бұрын
10:50 can someone explain how after applying limit c tends towards b
@beoptimistic5853
@beoptimistic5853 3 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHenfpR-hpmejZo ...💐
@yousufabbasi6484
@yousufabbasi6484 3 жыл бұрын
What would this look like if you were to extend to two and three dimensions?
@PURULUMK
@PURULUMK 7 жыл бұрын
Really liked it! Nice work! 💪💪
@tonk6812
@tonk6812 6 жыл бұрын
Plizz upload videos on vector spaces and inner product spaces...
@gogl0l386
@gogl0l386 6 жыл бұрын
Fuck if that ain't a spicy proof that I don't know what is.
@adaptercrash
@adaptercrash 2 жыл бұрын
Double dragon equals double dragon and I just leave it on, that's really old. Each one is different and inverted unto each other in subdivisions to find answers of their lives. It's also a knowledge theory .
@thomaspetit3218
@thomaspetit3218 5 жыл бұрын
I feel like I'm too dumb for a physics degree now
@thomaspetit3218
@thomaspetit3218 5 жыл бұрын
@@PapaFlammy69 U sure Pappy?
@gideonmaxmerling204
@gideonmaxmerling204 4 жыл бұрын
2:00 shouldn't it be I(t) as x is the variable in the integral
@yadakkpolyt8132
@yadakkpolyt8132 6 жыл бұрын
Hi Flamy!! Cool video!
@benjaminbrady2385
@benjaminbrady2385 5 жыл бұрын
I am this videos 69420th viewer and I think that's beautiful
@hectorgalva7495
@hectorgalva7495 4 жыл бұрын
Hey a little question... Could I use this rule for all the integrals that I want??? I mean, if there is some restrictions about the uses of this one... Because I have seen this rule is also called the Feynman's trick (I think Feynman did a little variation of this general rule, I'm confused: help me please) and the integrals that I have seen are solved using this rule, are integrals that generally couldn't be solved using the traditional techniques like u-substitution, trig-substitution and so on... Greetings from Dom. Rep. 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
@beoptimistic5853
@beoptimistic5853 3 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHenfpR-hpmejZo ...💐
@deveshsharma8118
@deveshsharma8118 4 жыл бұрын
At 4:40 why don't u split integral from a to a+◇a rather than a+◇a to a???
@beoptimistic5853
@beoptimistic5853 3 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHenfpR-hpmejZo ...💐
@deveshsharma8118
@deveshsharma8118 3 жыл бұрын
@@beoptimistic5853 yeah i understood shortly after i commented...btw thnk u
@theleviathan3902
@theleviathan3902 Жыл бұрын
What if the integrals bounds are defined in terms of t?
@TheGamingWattsit
@TheGamingWattsit 4 жыл бұрын
At 1:59 why is there a(t) and b(t)?
@beoptimistic5853
@beoptimistic5853 3 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHenfpR-hpmejZo ...💐
@mattjs07
@mattjs07 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome video ! Thanks a lot !
@PapaFlammy69
@PapaFlammy69 4 жыл бұрын
=)
@sarojmandal981
@sarojmandal981 3 жыл бұрын
Sir, a great derivation. Please also state under what conditions the Leibnitz's rule may fail. In this derivation mean value theorem was used. There must be some assumptions.
@RealMathematician21stCentury
@RealMathematician21stCentury 2 жыл бұрын
It's not "Leibniz's rule" at all! Rather it is very simple calculus. You have a common function f(x,t) and perform the reverse operation on each side. To go to the lengths of proving it as he has done is rather comical.
@firelordzaki1600
@firelordzaki1600 3 жыл бұрын
Damm this is back when papa was a lil dry 😪 but it's okay now bc he's saucy teacher now very moist ⚡⚡⚡
@michaelboyd8546
@michaelboyd8546 6 жыл бұрын
Your videos are great, it would be awesome to see a collaboration video with Dr. Peyam and BlackPenRedPen over something really awesome. Keep it up!
@luisdaniel9542
@luisdaniel9542 5 жыл бұрын
Comments that aged poorly
@stranger3944
@stranger3944 3 жыл бұрын
Best explanation ever!!!..... but can anyone explain why interchanging the integral and limit really worked
@beoptimistic5853
@beoptimistic5853 3 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHenfpR-hpmejZo ...💐
The Bernoulli Integral is ridiculous
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