Paper Mario Sticker Star Retrospective and Review - ScionVyse

[@ScionVyse]

And yes, the cover of No Children by The Mountain Goats at 44:21 was entirely sung and played by me. I had more fun doing that than anything else for this video.

[@hojugames8340]

That was a nice treat. Such an incredible song by an incredible artist. Great video too.

[@spouwnerring]

You forgot to pin your comment

[@TaylorRealGames]

my heart litterally sank watching you miss the counter

[@gabanongames7254]

The whiplash I got hearing the mountain goats in the middle of a paper Mario retrospective has no metric of description.

[@MiloRios-f8f]

@@gabanongames7254right !? Left me speechless

[@ThePaulineu]

You were so right when mentionning that this game is like a point and click adventure when it comes to bosses. I got stuck in multiple levels not knowing what to do, having used my "things" in battles and not having many in my inventory, and not knowing which would be good for which. I never got into the logic of this game. For example, I never would have thought to use a baseball bat to hit the desert boss!

[@rainpooper7088]

Where I live we don't even *play baseball.* I heard it's pretty popular in Japan and the US, but how are kids from other places supposed to know the answer to that puzzle when it's centered around equipment for an extremely obscure sport in these parts? This is the monkey wrench from Monkey Island all over again.

[@Vaguer_Weevil]

It seemed sorta-kinda-not-so obvious in retrospect, because the fight literally takes place on a baseball field, but originally I thought it was just one of those quirky Mario-esque esthetic choices.

[@NoLongerNeedThis]

What I hate most about the removal of the leveling system is the advertising, where they brag about it. In the eshop description of the game, it states, "In a first for the series, there are no experience points, so finding new items to enhance Mario's abilities is more important than ever!" The lack of a leveling system nearly ruined the entire game on its own, making battling utterly pointless and a waste of time, and they have the audacity to gaslight me by telling me that this is a good thing? Seriously?

[@iantaakalla8180]

That advertising is the equivalent of a TV product trying desperately to hide its flaws, like a knife that does not need to be sharpened.

[@megamike15]

what i never got is if they don't want paper mario to be rpgs anymore why do theyy still have turn based combat?

[@Howitchewstofeel5gum]

That's just marketing mate. Imagine if you worked in Nintendo's marketing department and had to come up with something good to say about Sticker Star lol

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

@@Howitchewstofeel5gum I'd be better off working somewhere else

[@beterbomen]

I would like to point out that Myiamoto later played a demo version of the game later in development, and said it was boring and not fun. And the team making the game didn't listen to him then.

[@stephenfiler3204]

It was also really close to the release date so...

[@unnamed7485]

​@@stephenfiler3204 And then they proceeded to not take any of his criticism into account for the next game either. Or the game after that.

[@LiveLXStudios]

Are we pretending Miyamoto has any insight that’d be useful for the game? He’d try to turn it into a game devoid of text, dialogue, or any rpg mechanics

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

@@LiveLXStudios Stop listening to Arlo hate propaganda

[@Vaguer_Weevil]

It's funny when you think about that being the one time the devs DIDN'T listen to him, funny in like a tragic way.

[@TapathyWR]

An important thing to remember about Retro following Miyamoto's advice to their own detriment in regards to DKCR, is that they had a very good reason to do it. Miyamoto did a very similar thing during the development of Retro's first title, Metroid Prime. Upon reviewing an early version of the game, Miyamoto suggested "What if Samus had a bug's head?". It baffled Retro at first, but eventually they realized he wasn't talking about an actual bug's head, he was proposing the idea of having multiple different views of the world around you at any given time. This gave Retro the idea for the visor system, where you switch between combat, scan, thermal, and x-ray views on the fly. It turned into an integral part of Prime's gameplay for it and it's sequels, and it wouldn't have happened if they hadn't taken the time to regard what initially seemed an off-the-cuff remark from Miyamoto. That in mind, it's no surprise they wanted to take his words to heart when he had an idea for Country Returns. I think Miyamoto has a bevy of genius ideas, but as he's not the one actively making these games anymore, sometimes his vision gets lost in the translation. Though, Wii Music... I have no excuse for that.

[@StartouchArts]

Half a year late, but... the bosses are even worse. If you DO beat a world boss without the Thing it expects, you get unique dialogue: mockery. Kersti will say something along the lines of "Man, that guy was tough and you sure used a lot of stickers. Maybe you could've used a certain sticker to make that easier?" THE GAME ITSELF CHASTISES AND INSULTS YOU FOR NOT KNOWING A CRYPTIC PUZZLE BOSS THAT DOESN'T GIVE YOU HINTS BEFOREHAND AND BRUTE-FORCING THE BOSS. Fuck. This. Game.

[@SolariusLunarius]

The player: YES! I finally managed to beat this boss without the thing sticker! I'm a genius! Kersti: Well, we won, and that's the most important thing. But we wasted a lot of stickers by bruteforcing our way into battle. Try to use your head next time. (That's actually something she says. Not the direct quote, but it's extremely close)

[@Goomba1309]

Kersti sucks

[@juniorvasquez93]

@@SolariusLunariusYeah, she literally says “that next time you should try harder”

[@dustymcwari4468]

The game should congratulate you from beating the boss without abusing their weakness, its as if Dr. Light was to call you a moron for not fighting the Robot Masters with the weapon strong against them to defeat them

[@legoferrari14]

​@@dustymcwari4468The funny thing is? In the PSP remake of the classic Mega-Man games, not only are you _praised_ for beating bosses only with the standard Mega Buster, but you also unlock the ability to play _as_ that particular Robot Master.

[@Phantron]

Sticker Star is the saddest history in Paper Mario. it was meant as a semi remake of PM64 and reboot, but due to Myiamoto's idea was brutally butchered to poor mediocrety :(

[@fernandothehorse]

Even worse than that, it did end up being a reboot- and the series was all the worse for it

[@zaneheaston8254]

It wasn’t a corporate mandate, he just recommended that they should have used preexisting Mario characters, they could have used characters like Wario & Rosalina but didn’t

[@Phantron]

@@zaneheaston8254 yeah I guess so

[@JoseViktor4099]

Worse was It wasn't even Miyamoto's fault, he just said that he didn't wanted a copy of TTYD, so talked to the developers to change some stuff. He wanted to put Gameplay over story, unlike SPM. And fun fact: When he played the second prototipe, far Closer to the actual product, he said It was kind of boring. Ironic, huh.

[@N12015]

​​@@JoseViktor4099Almost as he wasn't a good game developer. He's "a boomer" in terms of taste and it shows way too often. I see the appeal of focusing back in the 80s and early 3D due to limited resources (If you can only do one thing great better be its gameplay) but even as early as late 5th gen a game could do more than just being fun to play, therefore his idea of gaming became outdated.

[@concordjuniper33]

I will also add in that another reason why they left out the story in this game was that they did some "research" to see what people thought of Super Paper Mario's story, since that was the richest story in any Mario game period, let alone Paper Mario, and what they got back was that 99% of people didn't like it--well, the only research they did was in the Super Mario Club, and that was it. They didn't take a public survey or look at reviews on IGN or anything. They were thinking about dropping the story altogether and then Shigeru Miyamoto made his infamous quote to them that finally settled things among them. That being said, I do whole-heartedly agree with what you said in this review, and I do believe that, as much as I love Miyamoto, it was a mistake on the developers' part to go with what he said (as well as do a poor job on researching what their audience wanted, but I digress). The one thing I disagree with you on (just being honest, because I'm in the same boat with you on how I feel about this game as a whole) is the music. A lot of people out there say that the music in this game is its one redeeming factor. I, personally, hate the music in this game. Don't get me wrong; it's not all bad; it does have some good tracks in it, like Wiggler's theme and the winter music. But I'm not really a big jazz person, unless it's done right, and, due to the 3DS's limitations, the overall soundtrack has always sounded slightly poorly mixed, which makes it a little rough on the ears (can't stand the way that sax sounds, ugh). What probably doesn't help is the fact that it comes from a bad game to begin with, but I don't think that matters. It probably could've been good if it were mixed better, and if somebody comes out with a remixed version with this problem fixed, maybe I can appreciate it more. But what really puts it over for me is the two songs I really can't stand to listen to in this game: Kamek's theme (which I was very, very infuriated to see return in the subsequent games) and the theme of 2-3 plus the inside of the pyramid (which I'm sure really didn't help your experience with 2-3. Maybe it didn't matter to you; apologies if it didn't, but in my experience it definitely didn't help me when I played this game). That's just my personal nitpick, though; I'm a video game music connoisseur, so that's one part I especially enjoy talking about. Overall, though, fantastic reviews! I'm always happy to see other people's opinions on some of my favorite games (Paper Mario, especially), and I'm even happier to see that I'm one with a crowd!

[@seasonembrace3624]

Honestly yeah I agree on Stickers music. Like comparing it’s ost to most of the more unique and atmospheric tracks from the original trilogy were as Stickers is more safe and less memorable for the most part despite it being nice composed stuff by itself.

[@kirbymaster5]

I'd like to point out that even after using the baseball bat thing on the world 2 boss, you can still mess up the action command and put yourself in a near unwinnable situation. This was the first game I ever bought with my own money made from having a job. What a letdown.

[@zaneheaston8254]

You poor soul

[@MyNaymIsSnek1526]

Oof, sssoundsss like a pain. I hope the sssecond one you got with your own money wasss much better. (69th like btw)

[@zjzr08]

While I do agree Miyamoto may had have reverence from developers, I still think it is up to the final directors and producers who do have the final say in these projects. It has been cited that Itoi of the Earthbound/Mother series actually went to Miyamoto to kickstart his project and knowing the series it seems unlikely Miyamoto discouraged story from that angle. Miyamoto also got more involved in Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario 64 and TTYD the most and as we know they expanded the narrative more upfront. While I do agree Miyamoto probably shouldn't have said those quotes, I think it has to do with the story being pretty tame probably even at the start, and may seem to bog down the gameplay. Ironically, Miyamoto in that interview said that the changed gameplay to what it became was boring, and yet Tanabe, the main producer and IMO a "Miyamoto simp" who takes things too literal, so Tanabe seems to pick and choose what guidelines to follow from his senior. Not only that the Mario series had a lot on it beyond Toads, Koopas and Shy Guys (a notable overexposure since Sticker Star probably due to Tanabe, who has a big hand in SMB2, where Shy Guys were first seen) that weren't even tried to incorporated in the game. Most of this info comes from this video, which ironically came from a Modern Paper Mario ranter: kzbin.info/www/bejne/nnfUmq2gbbyBgMU P.S. I can cite the Itoi interview talking about him approaching Miyamoto if you want to.

[@MegamanElric16]

1:13 "their upcoming Wii peripheral, the Wii U gamepad" I see what you did there

[@RenardioMFG]

Every boss in this game (except the giant cheep cheep) is possible without thing stickers. Yes, even the final boss

[@Dead-Pool3_II_Sij6]

so thing is if you beat Kamik then leave to the over world the game will auto save, meaning if you just got to the room before Bowser then leave to say turn in for the night upon turning it back on it'll remember that you beaten Kamic and was about to fight Bowser(pointless at this point I know but I do enjoy Sticker Star enough to admit you are correct on its short coming and do wish to know how to mod in hacks to fix the issues as there are status effects that only SOME things and enemies can inflict but are so niche or rarely get pulled off I wonder why they even bother including them at all)

[@Raiz136]

From what I can recall, the game actually _does_ remember if you have already beat Kamek in his second encounter if you were to bail to go restock your stickers and things afterwards, so... that was merciful of them.

[@NicD]

20:56 Video's one year old and I'm the first to notice the DK Rap here? ...because you always wait until the lines fit so naturally into the script they slide right by. But I'm on to you.

[@TheRealHedgehogSonic]

I also wanna mention that Kersti sacrificing herself BEFORE I knew she would come back just made me feel relieved. Since her character type never evolved from a self absorbed, unlikable sassy queen, her sacrifice felt more like a celebration than a tearjerker. And the fact Mario even THOUGHT about bringing her back cements this ending's position of the second worst behind Super Mario Odyssey.

[@darkeneddaylight5422]

What's wrong with Odyssey's ending?-

[@TheRealHedgehogSonic]

@@darkeneddaylight5422 It had to do with Peach being out of character. Mario jumps across the whole world to save her, which is more than he ever does any other time. He takes down the dreadful wedding planners of Bowser and Peach, as well as the equally dreadful wedding, saves her from the turtle she hates the most, AND prevents said turtle from hooking up with her for all eternity against her will. Does she even thank Mario? NO! She rejects the marriage of both Mario AND Bowser even though she clearly loves Mario. And who does she think she is trying to strand Mario on the moon when she flies up in the Odyssey? This could've been an insane turning point for the story of Mario, but instead Nintendo went ahead and crushed that dream in the name of never developing characters. If they were gonna do that, the least they could've done is something that doesn't hint at the story going further, and ESPECIALLY not with someone being out of character, and ESPECIALLY especially break one of her most hardworking plumber's spirits. This is the only ending I've ever needed a head canon to fix to accept.

[@darkeneddaylight5422]

@TheRealHedgehogSonic [Vimeo] I wouldn't say it's exactly out of character, she has moments like this in games like Super Paper Mario. But I will agree that rejecting Mario and almost leaving him stranded with Bowser was a bold move. Then again, both Mario and Bowser were desperately trying to propose to her and it is pretty normal for someone like Peach to have that reaction.

[@N12015]

​@@darkeneddaylight5422But stealing your Ship? I can understand she not wanting marriage, but she literally went to the Odyssey and sailed it before the captain arrived.

[@dustymcwari4468]

@@N12015 I saw it more that they were so focused on their sorrows that they didn't notice she was leaving, so she called Mario to quit that and hurry because the Odyssey was already moving And I think Bowser just thought Peach was calling him as well, which Mario corrected him by stomped him away while also helping himself as his way to say "get lost, no one called you"

[@PokeMaster22222]

34:04 Not quite true. There's ONE action command that's not done with the A button, and that's the Cake Thing. What does it use instead? The microphone - you're supposed to blow, because the cake has _candles on it_ - duh! Why _wouldn't_ you blow into the microphone, when it's a candled cake? ...Ugh, the game never tells you this, instead expecting you to realise the above when everything else just used A. That's just player-hostile.

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

The way the game teaches you is a joke too. Instead of actually showing when to press A or have a tutorial when you get new stickers, there's a sign that just says: "Press A at the right time!" Are you kidding me?

[@bolaquadrada-vr4hw]

​@@AkameGaKillfan777You complain a lot. There are several games that have mechanics that have never been explained. An example is the exalted Castlevania SOTN, which literally wants you to discover on your own that to go to the inverted castle, you need to have 2 rings that are not mentioned at any point...

[@AkameGaKillfan777]

@@bolaquadrada-vr4hw And how is that a good thing? Some(probably most) of us here actually have standards when it comes to good game design.

[@Khalith]

Miyamoto and his dislike of story turned twilight Princess 2 in to link’s crossbow training. I’m still still salty about that to this day.

[@zaneheaston8254]

I’ve never heard anything about a continuation of Twilight Princess

[@Khalith]

@@zaneheaston8254 It was supposed to be a continuation but miyamoto made them create link's crossbow training. He even argued against them putting a boss in it to.

[@jknifgijdfui]

links crossbow training was peak tho

[@goodboie5195]

On an interview I read back in the day (hobbyconsolas magazine) one of the developers said that twilight princess was so “big” that they were “considering adding an extra disc with mini games”, in order to reduce or separate the content of the main game. That extra disc was what eventually became crossbow training, or so I remember reading waaaay back in 2006.

[@ryanjbuchanan]

Very thorough. Excellent analysis

[@emerster656]

7:05 I remember liking the blowing you can do a lot with it

[@joshp3446]

When you correctly type Doopliss' name in Thousand Year Door. 9:56

[@marioninatendo4905]

The acronym is PMSS, I would rather have PMS.

[@jezebeltryst5444]

I actually enjoyed it as a game in a vacuum. As a paper mario game it wasn't good but as a game in general I had fun

[@vengeflyking2722]

Thinking back, I wonder why Miyamoto had nothing against Super Mario RPG, Paper Mario 1 ect. At least with ttyd and Super he should have already had the power within Nintendo to stomp it. Additionally it’s hypocritical because Pikmin 1 for example has a lot of narrative and world building, although mostly in a way that older Monster Hunter games do. (basically lots of creature and nature lore instead of an story in style of jrpgs)

[@cashnelson2306]

Because they were new. His guiding philosophy isn’t “story bad,” this video kinda overblows that a bit - his whole thing is “new thing good.” He doesn’t believe in making sequels that don’t offer some radical change or idea and instead just iterate on a concept, like most companies do. Sometimes this is a banger idea - I’d say it’s a big part of why every mainline Mario and Zelda is so remarkably good - but sometimes it puts us in a F-Zero or Paper Mario situation where the man refuses to just iterate on a good idea but also can’t think of a super-great new one.

[@vengeflyking2722]

@@cashnelson2306 I guess that makes more sense, but it leaves me to wonder how they got these ideas...first copying mainline Mario but with rpg elements, then the stickers twice, then Origami King...I am just saying, there's no Mario Tennis game where you only play Badminton because it's lame to repeat using Tennis.

[@rahmani1262]

I dont know, but for some reason i really enjoy this game. So much fun i think.

[@JorArg-c7s]

You can defeat bosses using buff things like the Boom Box and you deal enough damage to kill bosses in one turn. but you need to know what you are doing for that

[@ssquoshy2973]

nah I love this game so much i had it as a kid it helped me though tough times

[@megamike15]

The thing with Miyamoto and stories is this only applies to Mario. He is compltely fine with Zelda haveing a story as well as Pikmin.

[@Wario_Guy]

People like Color Splash and Origami King. But I will never accept someone who likes this

[@retrofan4963]

Even Color Splash and Origami King suck.

[@Wario_Guy]

@@retrofan4963 It’s debatable whether Origami King sucks

[@retrofan4963]

@@Wario_Guy It's not debatable.

[@Wario_Guy]

@@retrofan4963 While yes, it is nothing compared to the first 3 games (even super) some people liked the puzzles (myself included) and the real-time combat was fun. However, the weird badge things were dumb, the game actively wanted you to cheat in standard encounters with Olivia being able to pause the battle, it went overboard with the puzzles, and the designs of the characters were rather lackluster. The lack of experience also brought down the game, and partners being back was only a gimmick, as they barely do anything. I personally thought the game was fine, but many didn’t, and your opinion is far from unpopular.

[@toadioB]

I adored sticker star when I was younger, and when I found out that it was so hated, I was sad. You can’t change my mind.

[@AnarchoTak]

i remember playing thousand year door when i was 8. so i really thought sticker star was thousand year door 2 because of the original now deleted trailer and then i got the game on Christmas and i kept waiting for the game to get good and even beat it in 2 days and i hated every minute of it. it was such a lie. i was so upset. i was 12

[@stephenfiler3204]

At that point, it really was TTYD 2. Then Miyamoto said it was too much like TTYD and asked they come up with something new

[@bolly6338]

@stephenfiler3204 What a failure this decision was. We're still recovering and maybe the warm reception of the TTYD remake will open the door for TTYD2, finally. Miyamoto brought us Ocarina of Time and Mario64, arguably the best games of all time in historical context, but him taking a shit on Paper Mario and ruining it for 12 years and counting...that's something else.

[@myaaa.mp3]

this was my first paper mario experience other than playing super paper mario on the wii at my friends house. but i got to beat this game and actually play it whenever i wanted. i loveddd it i never understood why no one liked it. now that ive played ttyd and the original paper mario i totally understand why people did not like it as much but its artstyle and music is soooo nostalgic. i loved peeling the stickers.

[@myaaa.mp3]

also i was 12 when i got to play this so i wasn’t mad at the story i just looked up a lot of walkthroughs 😅

[@randomjar6934]

I’m currently playing through sticker star for the first time, and it’s honestly enjoying it somehow. The game has so SO many problems, but after years of hearing how bad it was, I’m presently surprised. I’m currently on the start of world 4 so maybe It’ll get worse.

[@TaylorC-gx7pg]

I know I’m in the minority on this but I actually like this game more than color splash. I am not saying that it is a perfect game but I think that color splash is more boring with not much depth in it.

[@CrazyKoopaTroopaCKT]

1:59 yeah, that aged well :)

[@Raphotron2000]

We all recognize that music from moral orel

[@mattfarmer7867]

Mountain Goats jumpscare.

[@RikThunder33]

45:15 "unfortunately...?" xD

[@bowserking6284]

Hey I wonder how many people though Scion sounds like the Antdude

[@PaperBanjo64]

His speech mannerisms kinda are similar

[@bowserking6284]

@@PaperBanjo64 Wow I made that comment a month ago and huh I have a good idea for them do something on April 1st.

[@PaperBanjo64]

@@bowserking6284 ha ha that would be amusing especially to confuse viewers.

[@bowserking6284]

@@PaperBanjo64 Yea video cam start off showing footage for a game or something like that and at the end it shows we was talking to us this entire time but for the intro can be a little off but for someone watching the video for the first time won't notice it at first.

[@PaperBanjo64]

@bowserking6284 could have Antdude's typical intro but he could be lip syncing perfectly but @ScionVyse could be the one actually talking.

[@shadypielover]

Currently playing through all the Paper Mario games now, Sticker Star was the first I played as a kid, I got stuck on the final boss, I’m excited to play through it again

[@nahomgirma5095]

What I think is the worst part of Sticker Star isn't how dishwater the story is, the insulatingly basic battle mechanics or cryptic puzzles. No, the worst part about it, is the worst thing any video game, let alone a Mario game, can be: it's boring and forgettable. Say what you want about games that are arguably worse, but they are at least notoriously bad. Like, you'll never forget them for as long as you live bad. But Sticker Star is such a nothing game. It feels like a game made by robots who are trying to finish one simple goal and nothing else. With little accountability for quality, fresh ideas and passion.

[@homerunhitter9024]

Perfectly said, at least with really bad games they wrap back around to being funny or something. Sticker Star is just regular bad, a black hole of nothingness that makes people that have played it feel very little for it at all.

[@nascour5991]

Great video rewatching it again but Miyamoto doesn't actually hate story SuperMarioT actually made a really good video on this, I'd link it but youtube would remove my comment.

[@NintendanGX]

Only those who played it know the true pain the "Things" brought. They were so bad that I straight-up skipped Colour Splash. Every time I think to myself "Hmm, maybe I SHOULD give that game a chance, and it could be a fun guilty-pleasure at least", I then remember its sluggish battle system and the reuse of Things. Origami King was already difficult to find the motivation to finish, even 4 years later (I've only just now made it to Peach's Castle), so I doubt I could stomach Colour Splash, no matter how enjoyable the exploration might be outside of combat. Sticker Star and Colour Splash should be freeware at this point, just like Too Human was years later. All I expected from Sticker Star was dumb fun on the same level of a NSMB game when it first came out, yet by the end, I grew to despise it. If a player can't naturally intuit how to progress more than 60% of the time, something is wrong. Since then, this series only ever made babysteps in recovering from it. Origami King is an okay game overall (most of its fun comes from exploration, collecting things and some of the bossfights), but it's still the best of the worst, which is nowhere close to surpassing Super Paper Mario's bar at least.

[@chriswoods7774]

Music is all there for Paper Mario Sticker Star but nobody liked the sticker collecting which were the moves you have to pick, in thousand year door you had the jump and hammer right off the bat and yes you can select them unlimited amount of times as part of the strategy spike enemies with hammer and non spiked enemies with jump also you can use the hammer if you want, Sticker Star however the stickers that you collect represent your moves and they are limited once you use a sticker its gone and you have to choose a different sticker which is stupid and not many people enjoyed it.

[@ndbringer96]

What I really don't like about this game is that it lures you in with colorful visuals and its great soundtrack, and then it tricks you into thinking your going to have a good time.This isn't just a pale imitation of Paper Mario, some director literally removed the heart of the series, and tossed it in the trash. How did this game get a Super Smash Bros stage again?

[@BacentRekkes]

I just realized that Kersti is Sti-ker backwards. I think I hate the game more now. Edit: The music was the only good thing about the game. /opinion

[@Nepter8248]

THANK YOU. Finally, someone else sees that Miyamoto, for all the good he's done, has ironically become the Mario series' biggest threat. He's a legend, yes, but he just seems *incapable* of changing. Every Mario soundtrack has to have horns and marimbas. Every game has to have as little story as possible. Even the *graphics and the engine* of most Mario games seem to be identical now. The endless NSMB games all look pretty identical, at least. I get that Mario is Shiggy's baby and has a huge legacy and reputation that he wants to protect, but Miyamoto really seems like a control freak sometimes.

[@kevinsmith163]

Thankfully, Nintendo is starting to let Mario be creative with their Mario games again with Mario Odyssey, the Mario +Rabbids games, Mario Wonder, Bowser's Fury, Mario Wonder, SMRPG, the upcoming TTYD remake, Luigi's Mansion 3, and Princess Peach Showtime being prime examples. Although nothing has changed yet with the party and sports games as of yet.

[@mr.monkey354]

Nah, it's the devs fault. Miyamoto just gives his own opinions and the devs just decide to fall to him for no reason

[@blocks4857]

Miyamoto hasn't been in charge of a Mario game since Super Mario 64. He has no control over any of the devs and only gives advice. The devs are mainly at fault

[@LiveLXStudios]

@@mr.monkey354Nintendo is hyper brand controlling. Let’s not pretend this is the devs deciding to rob the games of creativity

[@PipeGuy64Bit]

It wasn't announced in 2012. Paper Mario Sticker Star was revealed during 2010 after the 3DS was revealed. I don't mean to sound rude but why does everyone get the pre-release info of this game extremely incorrectly?

[@atpyro7920]

Because the game is bad enough that people don’t care enough to get it ‘right’

[@adammiranda357]

What if the Paper Mario series began using a morality system starting with this game where the outcome of the story changes depending on Mario's actions, kinda like in Epic Mickey? Does the idea of a morality system in Paper Mario sound like a good idea?

[@DynamoTheGamma]

I 100% this game. So I can safely say... It's bad. It's Just BAD

[@tiagocervera5661]

Theres a lot of words people use to describ toads and correct me if im wrong about this but is it a thing that toads are stupid is that a word to describ them

[@Taco_muncher]

I both hate and love Sticker Star😊

[@Thermo-Lizard]

Its crazy to how this game can be picked apart so badly and yet I somehow ending up still finding it charming

[@rouge939]

It still baffles me how badly designed this game is. It’s such an atrocity

[@lilypyrope4620]

I think I would hate this game a lot more if I didn't enjoy the "puzzles" (as paper-thin as some of them were if not obtuse) and the entire Gooper Blooper fight because that track slapped

[@TrippaC4939]

This game kinda sucked as a kid but for some reason I want to play it again despite the problems idk if it's nostalgia or what

[@prettyoriginalnameprettyor7506]

Fun fact: Miyamoto played this game and hated it, he did not support this game

[@iantaakalla8180]

I love how in the end, no one likes Sticker Star. Absolutely everybody that hears about it that bothers to think about it hates it.

[@lpnp9477]

​​@@iantaakalla8180plenty of people have nostalgia for it. Makes me sad.

[@phil2160]

Whatever it's still a great game to me

[@aibdan-si7fk]

I know I’m in the minority here, but super paper Mario was my first paper Mario game and I loved it! But sticker star? Huge POS.

[@littleevsamoyed7130]

Same I love super paper mario

[@lpnp9477]

Not my first but I also love it. It's a great game but people understandably hate it as it signifies the beginning of the trend of making the series different just for the sake of it. It worked in spm I think, but even it isn't as good as ttyd.

[@littleevsamoyed7130]

This paper Mario is the Best At being a terrible video game

[@XperimentorEES]

The obsessive redesigning to please the most famous guy in the company has really been undermining the good will nintendo had over the past decade; yeah he should be respected for launching and solidifying the platformer genre, but that shouldn't mean they need to abandon every other design philosophy just to suck up to him. Do the developers consider it illegal or something to apply common sense when it goes against the executives' decisions, the occasional blatant mistakes like these make me wonder.

[@iantaakalla8180]

To be fair, a huge part of Japanese culture is not to go against the manager or the leader. It certainly can be done, but it is risky. I would say that is a part of the misinterpretation of Miyamoto’s criticism against Super Paper Mario.

[@XperimentorEES]

@@iantaakalla8180 Granted every businesses pretty much requires some internal mutual agreement to even function, but they way nintendo does it seems almost cult-like at times; it's frustrating and concerning how often these misinterpretations happen with their nonstandard formats.

[@Taco_muncher]

I both hate and love Sticker Star

[@lightsword6832]

Miyamoto's advice/ideology being brought up I feel is unfair, mostly due to games potentially going through hundreds to thousands of ideas. I think it is more on the developers for poorly implementing the idea if they wanted to include it. Did the blowing mechanic in donkey kong feel bad probably (haven't played either), but looking at the clip example it mostly seems bad due to being implemented at the simplest possible level. Just adding objects to be blown on will always suck and feel half baked, but if kept rare or used in creative means the idea isn't bad and could be seen as helping to cultivate creativity. Secondly the issue on does it need a story is both good and bad, if you take a really bad or mediocre story that takes 20+ hours to get through it hurts a game, and based on some modern examples potentially shows how stories and poor decisions can just outright ruin them. I don't really feel anyone praises pokemon stories, and often point out some could be changed or removed to make it better (like some the old team plot stuff). Nuance I think the big point landing enough for the premise, but not going to the point of bogging down the experience. RPG games by defaults do benefit by having more story then platformers and other similar genres, however I don't know trying to recreate TTYD levels of story if consistently missed the mark (boring uninteresting characters, thin motives, etc...) would make a this game better vs the really simple premise. I am not the best at express ideas or points in text, so a summary would be asking a question like what if X could do Y is fine, and likely could help creativity but taking that question and poorly implementing it as a core mechanic will always go poorly. Too much story or a bad story is just as bad if not worse then not enough story in my experience, but ideally should take the genre into account. The rest is mostly fair, and especially turn based rpg combat needs to be good or at the very least passable since that could be majority of the experience. However if going for a little to no story it really needs to be great (and actually where most mario rpg's fall short for me) since combat generally isn't needed or provides very little benefit. I personally don't like rpg games that try to separate combat strength from level, as more often then not that leaves encounters feeling worse in my opinion (which is by far worse then mediocre story). As pointed out in this video there is little reason to fight anything you either waste good stuff for worse stuff, or don't gain enough to justify the resource expense (ironically a flaw I feel breath of the wild shares)

[@LiveLXStudios]

It’s so sad that you’d defend a boss not taking responsibility for the influence of their directives Suck him off more, will ya?

[@chenzo6165]

you get significantly more coins at the end if u defeated more enemies. it might look like u only got a few coins but you get more later depending on how many you fought

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

Doesn't make it any less shit.

[@chenzo6165]

@@dragonbornexpress5650 better than the other paper marios

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

@@chenzo6165. Not really. (This is what we call lying to yourself.) Plus, your comment is ultimately moot because the combat still does it's best to waste your time, meaning running away and only fighting when you have to remains the only viable option. (Plus, the stickers are literally everywhere so the shops are actually kind of pointless.)

[@chenzo6165]

@@dragonbornexpress5650 ye but i enjoy it more than the other paper marios aka the spam a to skip dialogue simulators

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

@@chenzo6165. Translation: You hate reading. Don't play RPG's, then.

[@TheUltimateRare]

since i was never a story guy and I actually liked fighting in sticker star to pass the time, I gotta say my 2 biggest problems with this game is, If you fail to put the correct thing sticker into a place, putting the wrong one SHOULD HAVE had Kersti come out and say "hey, i see you are having trouble putting a thing into that spot. The thing you need is in *insert level here* and you need it to progress." That would have been pretty decent game design and at least help the player not need a freakin guide. Also she should have told you before a boss fight that a special item is required to "win". A small hint as to the shape or the design of the item would go a long way here. my 2nd problem is Line jump. The blue jump sticker. It's completely worthless. If you need to beat groups of enemies in boss fights, a thing sticker is way better, Also enemies are 100% optional except in the rare cases of needing a few extra coins or an item drops from them that is actually really strong. You could remove line jump, and the game would not be any worse for it. Battling is actively a bad idea if it's not required.

[@jomaq9233]

What do you think about SuperMarioT’s video on “debunking the anti-Miyamoto narrative”?

[@LiveLXStudios]

I remember how bad that video was. Basically just making excuses for the guy and trying to shift the blame of his actions

[@chenzo6165]

there was 3 boos and they had 54 hp. do the math , they have 18 each.

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

Cool story. It's still unnecessarily obtuse.

[@chenzo6165]

@@dragonbornexpress5650 better than the other paper marios

[@loley975]

Miyamoto definitely has a part in this mess. His game design philosophy is very... unconventional, to say the least. He dislikes typical, rpg-ish level-up progression and has repeatedly stepped into many games development to go out of his way and have them remove it. He thinks it's an artificial way of rewarding the player (which it definitely kind of is, after all it is proven tgat dopamine is being released during typical level-up progression) and that a good game should be able to reward the player with its game design. While interesting on paper, I find the execution quite flawed and not at all applicable for every genre (sticker star being an excellent example) and hate how much influence this man has on many games that he should be having no say in. He is a genius and an established authority in his own field (which is definitely not the RPG genre). He's made decisions that led to nintendo becoming more successful, but at the same time, there are some games that have been either ruined or have become lesser because of his influence. I do not like Miyamoto and think it is about time for him to retire the industry. He may become a decent consultant for games he actually knows shit about, but he shouldn't have as much authority on development (especially for stuff that is not his expertise), as he currently does.

[@Thatguy-tm8xh]

that miyamoto quote is so out of context

[@Ethan-gw6mi]

Unpopular opinion: I really enjoyed this game. Granted I was a kid, so a lot of the “bad” points didn’t really matter to me, but regardless I enjoyed it. Even played through it multiple times.

[@thevioletbee5879]

The bad points were worse to me as a kid. I was super hesitant to use the internet cuz… y’know… dangerous viruses and scary websites my parents rationally warned me about. So it was just an obnoxious, confusing, backtracky mess with impossible bosses and boring environments.

[@lilypyrope4620]

I think part of the reason I may not have found the puzzles to be so tedious is because I, maybe like internally, realized that the Things were important so I didnt haphazardly blow them in normal combat. It was oddly satisfying to go at a giant pokey with a baseball bat too

[@afterdinnercreations936]

I don't mind the idea of Paper Mario becoming full-on puzzle-adventure games. Something like Monkey Island. I actually welcome the idea. The problem is the combat-mechanics are so incredibly tedious and feels needless.

[@xSoporific1]

Lol

[@KGKSkull]

I wouldn’t say this is as bad as most say. People keep over exaggerating the bad but forget the good. And with the ttyd remake, we owe sticker star a thank you, a thanks for how it changed the series’ visuals. When you have a game called PAPER Mario, you expect the world to look and feel like paper, and sticker star cranked up the arts and crafts theme. Plus a lot of people forget that this game also helped us get character development for multiple paper enemy species, goomba, sniffit, and more got some very fun writing and the sniffits got a gameshow.

[@beefyboi6360]

Some of the wiggler things were fun and the gloop shroop boss music was great, I got stuck with many things including not knowing where the light bulb was for the harbor, VERY IMPORTANT, the dumb maze in 2-3, how to beat bowser with all those things, a lot of info came from Zack Scott with using the things to progress except for the obvious like bowling, this being my first paper mario and that I’m young, I liked it but never realized the flaws

[@James2210]

Even More Depth™ was referring to the 3d feature, not the gameplay or story... get rekt

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

He literally tested out the 3D feature; It didn't really do anything.

[@TheshowmanZ]

I hate to be that guy and not just be edgy but I love this game maybe it’s just the childhood nostalgia talking but I really like this game

[@nintavito546]

This is the least enjoyable game that I ever played.

[@robcotto7081]

Horrible game

[@maxtubb]

I've played worst games being honest.

[@KaiJie-n8q]

This is definitely the worst one, but I still think it's fun.

[@StormsparkPegasus]

Miyamoto does not actually have any talent anymore. He's way past his prime, to the point where he just doesn't "get" games anymore. It's one thing for story to not matter in a simple 8-bit platformer. He is not suited to working on any even remotely modern games.

[@PhilippeSymons]

Lol, so you're one of the people that thought the Wii U was a Wii peripheral? It's the successor to the Wii!

[@ahmedhasan4966]

Well yea but the bad marketing caused many people to think that the Wii U was a wii accessory.

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

No, this was moreso a joke; However, you'd be surprised how many people actually believed such because the initial reveal and marketing for the thing back in 2011-2012 was exceptionally poor. (Not helped by the fact that, by 2011, the U Draw tablet from THQ was already in the minds of the public, meaning a lot of people were confused on whether the Wii U was a standalone console or just another Wii peripheral.) Most of the ads barely even showed the console in focus (which just looked like a smoothed out Wii, mind you) and prominently featured the still in use Wii Remote; Couple that with the fact that the damn thing wasn't given any more info until June of 2012 and there's a damn good reason as to why the Wii U sold 3 million units only for sales to utterly collapse by January of 2013. (Not helped by the fact that most of the games at launch didn't really wow anyone.)

[@robertgraaf6875]

Yall it's definitly not the worst game EVER its a bad game from its franchise but its definitly better than some even if bland and uninspired in almost every world/chapter except 4 probally its still not the worst game and I can vouch for it since I've played over a hundred games. Edit: I wrote this before I watched the video and I'm not even 10 minutes in and already disagree with this video alot because the intro to this game isn't bad if you're a new player you would never notice and understand that there are limits to how big worlds can be considering its on a handheld and the dialogue of the toads in the intro is the best that it has to offer and while sub par its NOT bad go and watch chuggaconroys vid if you want a fair review with some more dramatics and funny aspects hes a more likeable youtuber for a reason and I'd say no hate to this guy but I don't rly care.

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

If you didn't care, you wouldn't have commented; That aside, just because it's not the worst game doesn't make it good.

[@HarrisonBorbarrison]

TLDW: "Boo hoo. It isn't TTYD"

[@Goomba1309]

You're one of THOSE people, aren't you? The kind of person who silences any kind of criticism people may have of the modern Paper Mario games and then plays victim when you get rightfully called out?

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

Congratulations: You've just proven you have no actual argument.

[@user1point0]

I don't even care that much about this game but holy hell adult nerds will never stop whining about it

[@iantaakalla8180]

I mean, this is the game that basically ruined all Mario JRPGs. Yes, it was so bad that it also took out the Mario and Luigi series by dint of the underperforming Paper Jam. The only extant Mario RPG after that was the Mario + Rabbids series and those are SRPGs. And to think this all stemmed from misinterpretation of garbage survey questions.

[@rouge939]

And here you are clicking on a video about a game you supposedly don’t care about to whine about people whining.

[@JorArg-c7s]

@@iantaakalla8180 what are you even talking about man. Mario & Luigi series died because BiS did poorly. Also AlphaDream treat their employees like dirt

[@Skufnut_]

Do people just think all video essays are retrospectives now or something?

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

Better question: Do you actually have anything to add?

[@AlliroG98]

I'm pretty sure a notable amount of bosses can be defeated without the Thing sticker. Gooper Blooper at the very least. And also, some bosses like Kamek and Bowser Jr. don't even have Thing weaknesses, do they? Saying that all bosses need Things is just objectively wrong and makes the already weak and highly subjective criticisms of this game even weaker.

[@iantaakalla8180]

And how are most of the complaints of Sticker Star weak? I do agree; if you hate the game, hate it correctly. And yes, some things are perspectives, like the sticker battle system or the unengaging fights. The problem is that even if you taken Sticker Star at its word for what it actually is, it still sucks at what it is. If it were marketed as a handheld point-and-click adventure game separate from Mario, it would still garner hatred, and it doesn’t even do many of those things correctly. It sucks as a game overall, not just as a Paper Mario game nor just as a Mario game.

[@dragonbornexpress5650]

How are most of the complaints weak? Do explain.

[@AlliroG98]

Often people complain how "challenging" the puzzles are and how they get frustrated when they don't know what to do. This is obviously hardly valid criticism. Other times, the game's minimalistic approach to everything gets called "objectively bad", when, again, minimalism is just another stylistical choice. The we have people calling the battles "pointless" when coins are highly useful in the game, being outright required for bosses and puzzles. If a Paper Mario game has useless battles, it's The Origami King where coins are never needed for battles.

[@PokeMaster22222]

5:45 Even though she does absolutely nothing except stand there in front of the Observatory's power source, in-game...I've never understood why people like Rosalina, when she's literally useless. She's not even the NPC that moves Prankster Comets or anything, ffs.

[@ahmedhasan4966]

People like Rosalina because of her storybook in galaxy 1.

[@PokeMaster22222]

@@ahmedhasan4966 People forgive her for being _utterly useless_ just because of an optional, easily-missable bit of lore? Okay...still doesn't make me like her at all, but at least I now understand why some people do.

[@JamesP7]

@@PokeMaster22222Because a character is worth more than what they do in gameplay.

[@PokeMaster22222]

@@JamesP7 I suppose - if they've got an interesting personality or backstory. However, Rosalina has minimal personality aside from "mysterious", and her backstory is hidden away and easily skippable, so if you don't know where to find the storybook you'll never experience it. So, unless you go out of your way to explore the spaceship, Rosalina is literally a plank of wood. Boring, uninteresting, easily replaceable and worthless. Still don't see why she's so beloved; is it her appearance, more than anything else? If so, then yeah she's cute, but so are many other girls, both Nintendo and not.

[@JamesP7]

@@PokeMaster22222 I relate to her and sympathize. That’s enough for me and countless other people.

[@chenzo6165]

sticker star had the best combat in any paper mario fight me :)

[@AUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH]

oh hell no this is the worst opinion ive seen yet for this game

[@chenzo6165]

@@AUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH it is the best combat tho

[@AUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH]

@@chenzo6165 its not lmfao, explain to me how not being able to choose a specific enemy to target with an attack and many more problems are the “best”

[@chenzo6165]

@@AUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH stickers are fun to collect and use :)

[@AUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH]

@@chenzo6165 yup just off that now i know ur just ragebaiting trying to start fights lol, cya

[@Illusion517]

Miyamoto really needs to be booted from Nintendo. He have once been the pioneer who let their rise, but these days his ideologies are out dated. He keeps trying to play things safe in a time period Nintendo needs to be experimenting and finding their wings again.

[@dominobust4191]

hey uhm I dont like your opinion very much but thats ok

[@TheManOfManyNames.]

Honestly, people give a lot less credit to this game than due. Y'all expect it to have as much features as its console counterparts, despite handhelds being a lot less powerful than home consoles. Stop having such high expectations.

[@oliverbooth2872]

dude the 3ds is an order of magnitude more capable than the N64 or GCN. and even if it wasnt the things that are bad about this game arent dude to console limitations. For reference one of if not the best mario RPG (Bowser's Inside Story) runs on DS

[@oneofushastocryanditsme5636]

​@@oliverbooth2872Yeah the thing you're playing on being limited in comparison to others doesn't excuse poor choices made, I don't think

[@Buglin_Burger7878]

You know what you're right, expecting you to have a basic grasp on the fact games existed before is far too high expectations. I forget humans don't learn from their history. That the GBA and GB both had complex good looking RPGs. That this system can handle these and good looking/good mechanical games from the SNES and NES as well. That the world existed before and we can look at things to prove the issues with Sticker Star is too much.

[@TheManOfManyNames.]

@@Buglin_Burger7878 I’m assuming that this is sarcasm from how most people treat this game.