Paper Tiger Or Formidable Foe | F-4E Phantom II Vs Mig-25 Foxbat | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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[@cujbaion1]

They say 333 to start the MLRS or artillery set. For radar-dish they say “half hundred” (the model of the modification/platform). 😉

[@Anarchy_420]

Please fly The F-15STOL/MTD VS The SU-30SM Dogfight! Please fly The F-15EX VS The MIG-31 BVR!

[@superfisto]

what happens if the tanks hit an opponent? (or flares?)

[@numberyellow]

NGAD vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx SU-57 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx SU-47 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx SU-47 vs SU-57, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx SU-47 vs NGAD, dogfight, guns or missiles (or both) plzkthx

[@mariuscatalin3195]

Finely the mig 25 is on skyes , I will like to see that 1991 mig 25 vs f 15 story , I request it so many times I really want to see it on your channel

[@jamesmontgomery9464]

maybe next time, F-4 escorts B-52s and Mig-25 intercepts.

[@EagleSix52]

Only scenario that makes sense

[@kahlrhoam6769]

Naturally! That’s what the MIG25 was intended for.

[@TonymanCS]

It would end in the same way- Foxbats expending all missiles on more nimble Phantoms scoring a few hits or not a single hit at all then either run away or merge and get slaughtered.

[@roman335i]

No, he want to do some Shit scenarios....

[@FishFlys]

@@kahlrhoam6769it was actually intended for the XB-70, B1 would be a better substitute than B52

[@TheBruces56]

The Mig-25 was designed to be a fast, high altitude interceptor, not a dog fighter.

[@JagdgeschwaderX]

I doubt the F4 and Mig 25 ever met but if so then what ever

[@LinkSkyward-vu1uo]

Doesn't excuse the fact that russian pretended it was a dogfighter.

[@zildiun2327]

@@LinkSkyward-vu1uo I mean, if your enemies incorrectly evaluated the role and capabilities of your brand new interceptor, would you correct them?

[@_b_x_b_1063]

​@@JagdgeschwaderXin Israel

[@aayushprakhar1711]

​@@JagdgeschwaderXf4's missile won't be able to hit mig 25 because of altitude

[@DecidedlyNinja]

Unfortunate for the MiG-25 pilots to be assigned as escorts. They can't hit and run when they've got Bears to protect, so they're forced to dogfight...in steel airplanes.

[@Reimalken]

Yeah, seems an odd match really

[@Mcree114]

My first thought too. They're boom and zoom interceptors meant to shoot down bombers and leave the AO not escort friendly ones. They really had no chance here.

[@viswajitbala7924]

@@pyronuke4768agreed on all. but I think it wouldn’t be an entertaining video if he got clapped immediately by the foxbats don’t you think?

[@justacomment1657]

It would show that he needs skill to survive ;) and that's the fun of those videos....and tacview.... But that seems all missing lately :/

[@jasond130]

I would have to assume that if the Mig-25 hits a merge or even visual range the Mig-25 is in big, big trouble.

[@disposablehero4911]

Yeah, you don't knife fight in a telephone booth using the 25.

[@Greasy__Bear]

I feel like a full power climb would get you away no matter what direction you are pointing.

[@Greasy__Bear]

@pyronuke4768 maybe, it worked pretty well for the sr71, they usually didn't get that close though.

[@AlexPerkins252]

Merge? yes. Visual range? No. Tbh even in the merge if it wanted to just speed away it could.

[@garrettwood201]

If a Foxbat is within 10 miles of a hostile he royally fucked up.

[@D2C3R5]

If there's a cooler looking aircraft than an F-4 in full camo, I don't know what it is. A very long time ago, in the early '70s when I was young, my family was traveling through SE Asia. We were flying from Bangkok to Hong Kong. The airplane flew out over the South China Sea, avoiding Viet Nam airspace. Mid way through the flight, the Captain comes over the PA and says for everybody to look out to the left side of the plane. About 50-100 meters off the port wing, an F-4 in full camo was escorting our airliner through the local airspace. I just remember seeing a fighter plane in full camo. I found out later it was an F-4. When I was a few years older and got into building model airplanes, that was the first one I built.

[@PepperDog76]

Man! I love all the little touches in your editing. The sound effects, the low radio chatter in the background, it’s like a short film based on a Tom Clancy novel. Thanks again for the hard work and great content, brother.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

Really appreciate it when people notice those little things, thank you very much. Much Love.

[@user-po3ev7is5w]

25's make the Lead Sled look like a ballerina

[@lcdrpost]

Launch tanks into orbit. That really made me laugh!!! Thanks!😂

[@Andrew-13579]

Then descend and reverse the turn to try to reattach the tanks? Almost. 😂

[@jmtpolitico80]

Was that 5 Kills? Did you just become an Ace in 15 minutes?!?!? Fricken great flying!

[@aarontheaviationaddict3643]

No. 2 of those kills were scored by the other F-4s.

[@exodortch]

3 mig 25 and 2 bears. Do bombers not count is ace status?

[@jmtpolitico80]

@@aarontheaviationaddict3643 Thanks!

[@beaverdam1199]

@@aarontheaviationaddict3643 he scores 1 mig-25 then 2 bears then 2 mig-25s at the end, proving that you are a disloyal viewer who didn't watch the whole video 😊

[@aarontheaviationaddict3643]

@@beaverdam1199 Sorry to burst your bubble, but I _did_ watch the whole video. Maybe I forgot about the bomber kills, or I didn’t really consider bomber shoot downs as actual “kills”. Calling me a “disloyal viewer”, eh? I will have you know that I have subscribed to GS’s channel since 2022, so the joke’s on you.

[@Aminuts2009]

If I remember right the Mig - 25 was a knee jerk fear response by the Soviet Union to counter the XB - 70. Which never came to fruition. When I was in the Navy, every once in a while, we would get intel reports that the Mig - 25 s squadrons in Eastern Russia, especially in winter, would be out of service. The whole wing at once. The reason? The mechanics drank the 100% anhydrous ethyl alcohol hydraulic fluid and they didn't have any in stock to replace it. Why? Because the mechanics drank the 100% ALL the ethyl alcohol hydraulic fluid.

[@horusfalcon]

Just call in a flight of Tu-22s to replenish! 😆

[@WinVisten]

Using booze as hydraulic fluid... Why didn't they realize this?

[@Aminuts2009]

@@WinVisten To me this sounds like the most Russian thing ever. We were stunned when we read those reports and it happened more than a few times.

[@horusfalcon]

@@WinVisten The Tu-22 carried pure ethanol as a refrigerant for its air conditioning system...

[@Lemon9234]

I thought MiG-25 was a response to intercept SR-71. Was that the MiG-31?

[@ryanmcmahan5590]

Long time subscriber, first time commenter. I dig the channel btw. I like how you launched the fuel tanks into orbit. Here’s a “2idiots” suggestion: throw fuel tanks at bombers/tankers/AWACS/transports. Silly but could be interesting.

[@Basilikum42069]

If only we had a flyable mig 25

[@keeperkoba]

Yes we do.

[@SuiLagadema]

Unconfirmed reports said NORAD & NASA are tracking 2 cylindrical objects heading towards Mars. Nor China or North Korea have claimed interplanetary launches. Here's Tom with the weather.

[@horusfalcon]

Nice work. The Foxbat is a fast interceptor, but it looks like it doesn't even stand a chance two-circle, let alone one-circle. I'm surprised, though, with its long-range weapons and powerful RADAR that it didn't do better BVR. Poor choice of tactics, maybe?

[@IEagleoneI]

poor choice for scenario from GS i think))

[@kwharrison6668]

Don’t forget Mig -25 also scored the only Iraqi to air kill of Desert Storm against an F/A-18.

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

correct sir, and excellent point.

[@BladeKi11a]

Still waiting for GS to drop the BF3 F-18 mission “Going Hunting”

[@TymaDem]

BStill waiting GS to do BF4 Rendezook challenge

[@berengerchristy6256]

idk why it'd be interesting the mission is just on rails

[@xX_Gravity_Xx]

The MiG-25 is excellent if used for it's intended true purpose. It's fatal flaw is it's extremely, almost comically narrow design case. The MiG-31 however... Now, that thing is an absolute monster. Someone saw what the MiG-25 _could_ do, and decided that it should. Slight changes to wing geometry, better engines, more hardpoints and a reinforced airframe made this thing a very, very formidable beast. Very difficult to shoot down something that can maintain such ridiculous speeds, and something that can operate at such high altitudes. Most aircraft are at risk at higher altitudes in BVR engagements. Honestly, the thought of MiG-31's probably kept a good few people up at night.

[@jeoverv]

The Mig-25 was a interceptor, not an escort fighter? I just can't recall it could perform a mission like this.

[@icaleinns6233]

Gotta appreciate the plane that directly led to the development of the F-15. Just imagine what 2 F-15C's woulda done in that fight.

[@jaws013]

now that I'm FINALLY getting into dcs after years of watching you, I'm realizing how dang easy you make it all look. my brain hurts learning all this new info lol

[@truthseeker9454]

7:21 - "Urrrraaaaaaaaaaa!..." Splash! 😆

[@331Grabber]

Every time I see you in a Phantom, I click.

[@joerose1396]

Damn I love your stuff. Best overall videos on KZbin. Epicness

[@sablephoenix]

I've always loved the Phantom, it's such a unique-looking aircraft and gorgeous in spite of its chunky design, but seeing all these Phantom videos you've been producing has given me a respect for the lethality and effectiveness of the Lead Sled that I never really had before. Great work, keep it up!

[@mpelzer24]

MIG25 doesn't suck and then 4 F4s wipe the floor with them

[@sealboyy6584]

Cuz its not a fighter maybe

[@ThePolish2107]

​@@pyronuke4768 Yeah I was going to say, having an interceptor play the role of an escort doesn't seem like the best of ideas to me. Not really the role it was designed for.

[@TurbineFlyer]

How TF are mig 25s getting hits on F-15's but struggling against F-4's?

[@garrettwood201]

Simple, they entered the merge. Mistake number one for the steel ingot with wings.

[@garrettwood201]

@pyronuke4768 very on-brand for Russian military decision making, I must say

[@Ferkal]

Love these videos. Thank you.

[@barbarossa1234]

The graphics are amazing. I have always been fascinated by the TU-95 Bear.

[@Broothski]

Same, so many propellers!

[@worldbreaker1023]

Spiraling orbital tank launch! 😢 I'm beyond words mate

[@erikbender1967]

F4 has always been my favorite Cold War aircraft. Great video!

[@brandonleibowitz3829]

Are the aim-174s being added to DCS? Is supposed to have more range than the Russian hypersonic missiles.

[@corok12]

they won't officially be in any time soon, but we'll likely see them in mods before too long.

[@thomasfarley5070]

Thanks!

[@awfike24]

Imagining to myself a scenario where tanks launched that way get a splash 😅

[@Leo137156]

I love that music, fantastic.

[@ashleytull8524]

E.T. 2 Extra-Terrestrials: Orbital Encounter

[@TR4Ajim]

With those big Tumansky engines, you could probably get an IR lock on a MiG25 from another time zone!👍

[@garrettwood201]

The older rear-aspect missiles could probably get a front-aspect lock on a 25 lol

[@Andrew-13579]

Probably could have used some AIM-4Ds and gotten them. 😂

[@stunninglynormal1261]

This feature brought to you courtesy of ACE IN A DAY productions.

[@horusfalcon]

One splash was enemy pilot error. He dove just a bit too steeply and went in.

[@Lee-sti8wrx]

That was great. I loved it!!!

[@boharris8179]

The jump in tech between these era fighters and gen4 is probably more than the previous 2 generation combined. That said a Phantom armed with f15 radar and modern missiles and maybe an engine upgrade would be one heavy hitter!!

[@sanek9500]

You are basically talking about German F4 ICE now)

[@danielheald411]

Those missles on the Mig are huge.

[@Andrew-13579]

I was thinking, when he said he had targets on the radar that he might be targeting the launched missiles. 😂

[@Ambaryerno]

Man, that F-4 cockpit looks fantastic.

[@Hyposonic]

It seems DCS replicates the MiG's greatest weakness: poor visibility and situational awareness. Not surprising since it was not a dogfighter.

[@The_Angry_BeEconomist]

why doesn't the water react with the turbulence?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

DCS hasn’t come that far. Wish it did that would be cool.

[@johnwesley9000]

What this channel needs is some more videos of the F4 Phantom. It isn't represented enough.😏

[@chrisblood7395]

Excellent video, as usual. As for that F-4's tail marking; is that plane from Ramstein Air Base, Germany - or is my memory failing...?

[@CartoonrBOY]

On location shooting Top Gun 3: "...then this drop tank came out of nowhere!!!"

[@inewzealand762]

One of the reasons the Shah got the Tomcats was because the Phantoms couldnt keepup/ intercept the Foxbats flyimg into Iranian aerospace.

[@Spydr6684]

5:14 Just another potential way to take out the enemy! 😂

[@chrisg2739]

Always loved the lines of the phantom.

[@EwokEight]

There's something I find eery about the exhausts of the Phantom

[@andresilvasophisma]

Probably scored a Starlink satellite kill with those tanks.

[@roli4040]

Turning Foxbats into foxbait

[@colin5577]

Gawd that F4 cockpit looks gorgeous.

[@tuguldurjavkhlantug1173]

Watching this at 4:28 am

[@Crusader_Lite]

How do other modules compare to the F4? Like quality, balance and feature-wise?

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

The f4 is among the best in my opinion

[@Mav09]

F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New Day 64

[@Romulus307]

Loved it !

[@Anarchy_420]

Please fly The F-4 VS The A-4 guns only Dogfight!🙏👍 Lol* this looked easier than taking on MIG-21's!!

[@Mamac2006]

I'd love to see how you do challenging scenarios in soviet fighters

[@Djmaxofficial]

Mig 25 was build for speed not dogfight

[@LifeChangingMotivation450]

Besides the smoke graffic problem there.s the eyeball mirror problem lmao 😂😂😂😂😂

[@johnhermann7498]

Ace in a day! COL Robin Olds would be proud!

[@terrencejones9817]

Sometimes I wish someone upgraded an F4 with F414 engines and APG79. It would still make a heck of a fast missile truck.

[@thejetfighter]

Awesome Video 😀

[@tommymorris7245]

Ah yes, brick with wings vs brick with wings

[@ltjjenkins]

Did your three mates have a party they didn't want to miss?

[@curtisbartlett8170]

Bar opened

[@abbaerfani9007]

Beautiful day indeed ❤

[@herbderbler1585]

This would be purely a circus stunt for fun, but you should see if you can score a hit with drop tanks at the merge.

[@Illusionyary]

I'd like to see you fly the MiG-25 yourself to see what you can do with it, it's a really cool plane.

[@mictest12]

13:48 "but need wings to fly..."

[@gullskegger]

Love the RS tail markings.

[@Will-yy7cg]

3:12 our people need us

[@russpaxman3660]

I have no idea why I love your videos, but I do. Compulsive viewing, for me.

[@charlie15627]

Unless I'm mistaken, they designed the Mig-25 to hunt our SR-71s. It is an incredibly fast and high flying aircraft. Its biggest downside is its weight. It was built out of stainless steel instead of aluminum to handle the heat of mach 3 flight. All that weight makes it much less maneuverable and its engines eat themselves if they fly and top speed for too long. They can actually achieve the same altitude of the SR-71 but they can't maintain flight that high. They have to anticipate the flight path of an SR-71 and climb at top speed to meet it. Once it gets within missile range, it could launch an attack before falling back down to an altitude it can maintain flight at. There are reports from SR pilots of them seeing the 25 come rocketing up close to them. (Relatively) and falling back down. None of them ever fired on the 71s and there are no reports of them being ordered too either. Its hard to say if they could have shot down a 71 but its certainly possible. Thank God it never came to that.

[@SuperDiablo101]

reminds of loosley of the tactics used by the Me 163s to attack the B17s

[@SuperDiablo101]

@@charlie15627 makes you wonder If someplace deep within the US government secret archives the mig 25 DID Intercept a blackbird....

[@daym8]

This video felt like a ticking time bomb 💣 exploding with victory being the endgame✌️

[@LDSG_A_Team]

Ooh, different music this time for the wide shots.

[@JDudek69]

I would love a video with the F-18 and its new AIM 174

[@billedwardz]

You must've blinked at 10:00 or something and missed that explosion lol

[@craigdilamarter]

Ever read the book by Tom Clancy? Red Storm Riding? There was several air battles for Iceland as well as the mythical F-19 Frisbee. Some recreations would be amazing.

[@IEagleoneI]

A very strange choice for bombers escort, the Mig-25 was designed as a high-speed, high-flying long-range interceptor to intercept slow and unmaneuverable Western bombers

[@ChongPangBoom]

Can you make a school-planve vs. school-plane video? Use all nations training planes vs another, with some cannons only?

[@UntitledGameplays]

Is there any way I could get the mission (and maybe others) to try for my self?

[@whistlingbadger]

Bonus points if you hit the MiG with your drop tanks...

[@ussgrisham]

Where was jester with the bogie call outs?

[@carlchong7592]

It seems to me that a fighter escort should be flying ahead of the aircraft that they are escorting. Considering the forward speed of the heavies being escorted, flying ahead gives an escort more time/distance to deal with an aggressor before the heavies come into range. An aggressor could come up from the flanks or behind, but the forward speed of the heavies still makes interception from in front a more likely direction to cover.

[@walterblanc9708]

Talk about flying bricks!

[@danandbaggyshow]

Wasn't it the mig 25 that was made from normal steel and weighed the same as a small moon

[@michaelmatthews1127]

it was made from stainless steel, which is a little heavier than normal carbon steel

[@thewanderingguru4097]

GSW: The MIG 25 is actually a deadly aircraft, Almost got an F15…30sec later MIG 25 parts distribution mission complete.

[@kwharrison6668]

Also shot down an F/A-18 for the Iraqi Air Force’s only air to air kill in Desert Storm.

[@muleyman68]

Those drop tanks probably flew into the next countries borders. Awesome.

[@davidbitton5687]

Nice video. But what is that clicking sound? Better check it out

[@dragonelite2725]

Ace in a day in this simulation

[@bobbressi5414]

The Mig 25 is a high speed missile truck. It is massive and heavy and not a dogfighter.

[@MegaConrad101]

perhaps more of a challenge is needed?

[@AdiSaputra-to7mg]

Just change the foxbat role to its original, not escort. And you gonna see why that's beast ever shoot down an hornet.

[@AdiSaputra-to7mg]

Just change the foxbat role to its original, not escort. And you gonna see why that's beast ever shoot down an hornet.

[@Dirtyharry70585]

2 bears and 3 mig 25s, you’re Ace material

[@BenParkes-wz5bd]

Video idea: I-16 Donkey vs Su-57 Felon

[@jeffmonson2073]

I still want to see you drop your tanks and hit the enemy plane with them at the merge!

[@shocks65]

Why are they not at 35k doing mach jesus when they fire? Mig 25/31s should never get that close intentionally.

[@gillyggee4085]

Where do you get all your missions from?Do you make them yourself? or are they readily available somewhere?

[@Mike_Romeo]

He makes them himself

[@jeaton1224]

I wonder if it’s possible to score a kill with drop tanks, or decoy a fox 3 or something like that…