Supremely Outmatched | Su-57 Vs F-4E Phantom II | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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[@numberyellow]

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[@mileswilson1776]

could you do a video flying any f35 variant in a potential real world scenario?

[@Anarchy_420]

Please fly The F-4 VS The A-4 guns only Please fly The Rafale VS The Typhoon guns only Please fly The F-15STOL/MTD VS The SU-30SM guns only

[@jasontipton8430]

That was so cool merge then lights out

[@johnnyd9992]

apparently he had 1 left..great use of knowledge of the aircraft..soo close to gettin him..

[@shanebarenblatt1925]

Yo I think the f-15ex with its powerful radar armed with the aim 174s vs a MiG 31 armed with the r-37ms would be a very interesting fight showcasing both extreme standoff capabilities of the the superpowers

[@christopherchartier3017]

The aim174b would outrange the R-37M, but the R-37M is a faster missile overall. Would be an interesting dynamic

[@paulochs]

True!

[@paulochs]

True! Really.

[@dadaddy1677]

Would be very cool to see also

[@user-2410]

What about Kh-172?

[@LDSG_A_Team]

I can't believe you actually got to the merge 😂

[@EvoraGT430]

The missile that killed him was most likely too close to arm, honestly.

[@dannypattieovercash8327]

I can't believe he got a missile off at him!

[@cancelanime1507]

If GS turned towards him a few seconds earlier that sparrow probably would have tracked

[@steves1371]

It would be cool to hear from the perspective of your bandit sometimes, to see what they think of your tactics and whatnot

[@Ayeshteni]

A lot of panicked screaming "WHY IS HE NOT DEAD YET!!!!!" and "AAAAAHHHH HE'S IN THE MERGE WITH ME!""""

[@TheUberSchattenjager]

Maybe a chat window to see what the bandit is saying while GS narrates per usual

[@dvjvbv]

Yes. Neither can hear the other during the fight, but insert the opponent's chat or POV at interesting points.

[@ShovelMonkey]

A Tacview Debrief with both parties giving input.

[@skipdippity]

Yeah would like to see a video on the felons side..!

[@mrvwbug4423]

That you got that fight to a merge was amazing. Had he not had a Fox 2 left you might have had him, that was literally a thrust vector victory, he just got the nose around just fast enough to squeeze off a point blank Fox 2.

[@Stinger522]

It was another R-77M since it came from the ventral bay. Archer missiles are shot from the side bays.

[@SAM-jd6pk]

Firstly, get some glasses, that was clearly a R-77M, also, GSs Fox 2 would have never turned tight enough to get that shot, also even with only Guns the felon would destroy the F-4

[@traviswalker8933]

The F-4 is no match for the Su-57.

[@Stinger522]

@@traviswalker8933 True. But you can't deny Growling's sacrifice was entertaining.

[@traviswalker8933]

@@Stinger522 he flew the ancient jet well. No denying that.

[@DCobra98]

The fact that you got an F-4 to the merge with a Felon says it all. Awesome flying!

[@michaelsmith1060]

A big part of that is that the Russian missiles are bugged in DCS.

[@marrty777]

@@michaelsmith1060 Russian missiles are interfering with the election as we speak

[@nobeltnium]

@@michaelsmith1060 It seems like it tracked the F4 pretty good there. Just lead to the ground

[@davidmann1871]

In a larger scenario, that's definitely a victory for GS. Bought enough time for other assets to engage and wasted a whole sortie for that Felon.

[@user-zv4jf8ag8p]

@@michaelsmith1060 Agreed, Russian missiles is unrealistically good in DCS.

[@Sentinal375]

YES IT'S HERE! Next: Spitfire VS. SU-57

[@Reaper_03-01]

After that it will have to be the Sopwith Camel vs Su-57.

[@averagejoe112]

Su-57 against the Wright Flyer next!

[@BlueDevel]

I-16 ?

[@timonsolus]

@@averagejoe112 : Su-57 against a Native American with a bow and arrows?

[@frtik753]

Sopwith Camel vs YF23

[@DeathPenny]

The fact that you forced a Felon to the merge is a miracle in itself, and it had to be pissing him off watching you drive his missiles into the ground lol - ultimately spending more on the missiles fired than the cost of the plane they were trying to kill.

[@lexwaldez]

I tried to figure out what the total cost of those missile launches might be but couldn't come up with a solid number. Has to be way more than the F-4.

[@FireGoliath]

Dude you got closer to killing that felon than any airframe that old should have.

[@polarbear2697]

All that dodging had me calling you "Mr. Anderson"

[@JETZcorp]

"He's starting to believe."

[@ShovelMonkey]

Do you hear that? That is the sound of inevitability, Mr. Andersen.

[@YokaiX]

Neo

[@drumking241]

We're gonna need guns, .... lots of guns.

[@wookie7017]

Bring back the tac-view after the fight and talk to the other pilot like you used to do. I’d love to hear how frustrated he was getting watching you drive his missiles into the ground. 😂

[@MrWasurfer86]

this one wouldve been good

[@jjkrayenhagen]

I kind of like how he just leaves it in these videos. But I really would like to see a tac view breakdown as well. What about a follow up video doing the tac view breakdowns?

[@chrismiller3835]

At least Jester survived to tell the world about your noble sacrifice! :P

[@Ayeshteni]

I'm considering that a win. Especially of the report that "We manged to destroy millions of dollars of enemy ordnance."

[@djgummikuh8895]

I wouldn't like to be that Su-57 pilot having to explain to their superiors why they wasted missiles that in sum cost more than your entire F4 lol

[@andersjjensen]

Don't ask what the target is worth. Ask what's the value of the things the target can destroy if left unchecked.

[@AriraleLover]

Ракеты су57 не такие дорогие, как тебе может показаться, западные обычно в 2-3 раза дороже, но там и материалы с зарплатами рабочих выше

[@theidiotictroublemaker2281]

The cost of a phantom is like 22 million usd. The cost of a r77 is 1.09 million usd.

[@Sacto1654]

I'm actually amazed you made it that long with an Su 57 with superior almost everything compared to the F-4E.

[@brellnob]

Almost?

[@EDCandLace]

Numbers?

[@joshfritz5345]

The F4 is faster. It's not much of an advantage, but it's something.

[@dansnow7374]

The fact you got to the merge in a nearly 65+ year design against a 5th gen is awesome. “Combat tactics Ryan.” Capt. Bart Mancuso, USS Dallas ret.

[@BooneFinn]

In todays episode: "David gets obliterated by Goliath, but not before giving the skychad PTSD" and... "Radar edition Daredevil faces frustrated Kingpin" Featuring: "Can't touch this FOX-3's" "Use the Force Luke" "Put the 'Phantom' to F-4"

[@angrydragon4574]

Now THAT was creative.

[@BooneFinn]

@@angrydragon4574 Thank you Sir! 🙏

[@andersjjensen]

LOL! Have an upvote, Sir!

[@MTMILITIAMAN7.62]

On the plus side, the total cost of missiles to the Russian Federation far exceeded the cost of the 60 year old F4, and there are no bragging rights for the Felon pilot. It is like a ranked Olympic boxer going ten rounds with an unranked no-name.

[@xX_Gravity_Xx]

Guy's not an unranked no-name afterwards though. 🤣

[@amunra5330]

Jesus you guys take this personal dont you.......Its okay man the US is still number one lol

[@benn454]

@@amunra5330 Lighten up, Francis. It's all in good fun.

[@rocketassistedgoat1079]

I'm sure you meant to say; it's like a convicted felon with a bat, beating to death a baby seal.

[@ShovelMonkey]

@@benn454 Stripes.

[@ChadKanotz]

F-4 pilot visibility philosophy: See? You don't need to see. You got that...uh...radar thingy.

[@cancelanime1507]

Man when I heard that sparrow tone I actually thought u were gonna get away with a kill

[@aaronbadbear5921]

The Phantom is my favorite fighter jet. Loved this video. The inverted nose dive you used to defeat one of the missiles, using the weight and the power of the jet was what the pilots ended up doing to hang with smaller aircrafts. I watched a video on how pilots would use the same inverted dive to to turn harder with smaller jets that had better maneuverability and tighter turns. Would definately watch a round 2 to this matchup. Keep up the great work, love the videos!

[@mrgoober6320]

For people who are curious about the numbers: at 20,000 ft, air density is about half what it is at sea level. At 40,000 ft, it's about a quarter.

[@tigerpjm]

Thank you! I've spent a long time wondering how you figure out what the MAR is. Now I still don't know for sure! (I guess you halve the theoretical max range of the missile at 20,000, quarter it at low altitude?)

[@blackbuttecruizr]

Can't wait to see the shenanigans! You definitely survived an unbelievably long time!

[@adamplatt5266]

The 57 is basically a dump truck of a stealth fighter

[@andersjjensen]

Noooo! It's glorious superior Russian technology. The West has no analogy! :P

[@rmjstrikecat]

@@andersjjensen*incoming call from The Kid*

[@petercj550]

I miss the post flight analysis ,like you had a long time ago. It was just as entertaining if not more entertaining than the actual fight. I learned a lot from it. I wish you'd bring it back.

[@KillerKev1961]

I thought you had it! The trees were your friend!

[@esbuenodun]

In the faaaaace!! 😂😂😂 nice work. That was way closer than I thought it was going to be. 👍🏾👏🏾💪🏾🙌🏾

[@cszabo8899]

One of your absolute best videos! Superb suspense, had me on the edge of my seat the entire time. A combination of your heightened anxiety, the suspense of a Phantom vs a Felon, and your expert search for the best possible forms and routes of evasion, really put us in the seat right there with you. I could have watched you evade him for hours.

[@gabrielm.6987]

Definitely try this again

[@FireGoliath]

How dangerous could a 21st century F-4 Phatom be? F-35 RADAR, AMRAAM's, ETC

[@derekfaldik8041]

We are entering the age of avionics dominance. Anything that can haul ordinance is can be a missile truck then sensor-fused with F-35's and UCAV's of the future and be very dangerous.

[@radical137]

There are F-4EJ's being retired now in Japan, you know those probably have some nice upgrades.

[@andersjjensen]

It would be dangerous in a standoff fight, which is what everyone expects to be the absolute majority of engagements. But really, it's not the individual plane, but the entire kill-chain. Your hypothetical F-4 in packs of 4-5 with state of the art AWACS, mountain-top large aperture radars, layered GBAD and top professional crews on all of them would be practically impossible to penetrate. But it would royally suck if you wanted to go on the offensive.

[@ioannismik]

HAF F-4E AUP with AIM-120B and radar data from Erieye would be a very different scenario.

[@Joey-tc2uo]

video idea for you would be to strap the aim 174 to a tomcat and see how reliant it would be against modern Russian and Chinese fighters. also great video gs

[@ColeDedhand]

Thank God Jester got out. He's got a virtual family.

[@icin4d]

Speechless as to your situational and tactical awareness here. Quite the nail-biter.

[@user-zu7fr8qm8r]

That is so close. As in almost beating the Elden Ring Boss and dying with only 3 HP left on the boss health bar close. A good show indeed.

[@PhilTParker]

For GS to actually get into the merge with that Felon in his A4 is a testament to smart flying combined with solid strategy and tactics, all used together. It’s amazing. And like it was said in Top Gun more than once, “It’s about the pilot. Not the plane.”

[@user-qy2vv2go2c]

He definitely did a top gun: maverick on you. Avenging a fellow Felon who died the moment he fired a missile.

[@Usurphlhen]

If you want to make this "fair" would you could use the F-4F ICE with an f-18 radar and amraams or the F-4E 2020 Terminator

[@arrow0872]

The Terminator upgrade is A2G and lacks BVR capabilities as far as I know. The German and Greek ICE upgrades are A2A capable and would be more suitable…

[@craig_sez8534]

I actually thought "Holy shit he might pull it off" then the explosion and it was gone..

[@DarkOperationman]

You made it in to the merge! That's basically pretty much win already for me.

[@FlyboyKC64154]

He shot a bunch of missiles at you before taking you out at the merge. I would say you had better odds than you thought.

[@ohalrighthen4301]

Posthumous Distinguished Flying Cross for that effort.

[@yourfavoritetoy]

i knew you were going to die, but getting even a shot off was super impressive

[@a24396]

How do you win? You fly to not lose and force him to miss until he's out of BVR missiles. Then, if you can find him, you've got a chance...

[@oddy1637]

Gun exists.. IR missiles exist...

[@Nicolas-zw5ex]

Same with any other stealth plane

[@SirLionofBiff]

That was way the heck closer than it ever should have been.

[@thrillzgaming8599]

Even making it to the merge was a huge win!

[@MulderJosh]

Quite the cinematography for the ending, great directing!

[@XTXImperator]

Bravo GS, you did very, VERY well here. You forced a Felon to merge with you and that is an outstanding achievement! Alas, in the end, the gap in technology proved to be too great in the end.

[@jonathanbarrell82]

I cannot believe you made it to the merge with a Felon. Thats amazing flying.

[@SupaHogg]

One word: spectacular Both in the way you survived for so long and in the way you disintegrated.

[@jaejampro1]

Though you're dead that was excellent airmanship...

[@Hubba404]

"It's not the plane, it's the pilot ins..." SPLAT

[@timandshannon03]

That lasted a lot longer than I expected. With the video length, I was honestly expected 2-3 rounds. Well done GS!!!!

[@iamn8746]

That shot of you leading the missle into the ground and riding low in the distance though ❤

[@tombaldwin328]

Well fought battle. I didn't expect you to last that long either...😊

[@FS2K4Pilot]

Mixing that Archer in with all those flares was tricky!

[@208SledHead]

Absolutely brilliant flying. You had that Felon sweatin!!

[@jameskester7745]

Man, that was a great fight. You made it closer then I imagined you would, great job!

[@Kenjake26]

ITS NOT THE PLANE, ITS THE PILOT 🤣 - Lieutenant Bradley "Rooster" Bradshaw

[@SextonHardcastle85]

Surviving long enough in a F4 to merge with a Felon is nothing to sneeze at. Good flying!

[@rtpfixit]

Dude, what a wild choice of opponents. Game on!

[@codychild2665]

Damn, GS! That was close! Thought you had him and very nearly did!👏👏👏🤯

[@PrimarchX]

That was a super Fox-2 there at the end. Talk about a clutch shot. But you fought the good fight, making him put 3x the cost of your Phantom in missiles into the ground!

[@jeffashworth5752]

The next Supremely Outmatched should be a P-47 Vs a A-10, Clash of the Thunderbolts

[@Plymouth-Interlocking]

I laughed out loud when that went to the merge! That was awesome. If only you could have snuck in that fox 2!

[@Mariner311]

Curious if the Felon driver got some sphincter clench THAT close - you should have gone GUNS.

[@BladeKi11a]

Still waiting for GS to drop the BF3 F-18 mission “Going Hunting”

[@Washing_Dirt_Prospecting]

That is just silly compared to an actual flight sim...

[@PvtPartzz]

Whyyyyyyyyyy tho

[@DannyB587]

C.W. Lemoine's reaction vid to that mission is gold

[@tristandaries1129]

I know going into the merge is an unnecessary risk if you outrange your opponent, but cmon it’s a Felon, he was several seconds late to turn and he still got his nose on before you and had enough time to break off and flare

[@wash_out]

Su57: How dead you wanna be today? GS: Yes

[@SHARPSPEED]

The objective being "survive" is...telling.

[@rodymonster]

THE BEST I have ever seen you fly BVR. that was AWESOME!

[@sleepingpilot]

The beginning at the cockpit view in the Phantom legitimately looks like gopro footage

[@ZachAttack2U]

Excellent Effort GS, thanks for the great content! 🔥

[@muthaz1952]

This was a really great video. One of my favorite planes as well. Thank you.

[@HandFromCoffin]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="120">2:00</a> I think you make a good point. You're a "modern pilot" with an old jet. So you know what he's slinging at you.

[@glennhelka8045]

That was an awesome flying job Side, you did great.

[@donphobos]

This has been a heroic fight, kudos!

[@bluewinds10]

The consolation is that his missiles cost more than your plane.

[@waveman2952]

Some of the best flying I've seen right up until the point you ate a missile! Great flying Sidewinder

[@wruenvadam]

That was some seriously impressive flying. I'd say you definitely showcased the saying "its not the plane, its the pilot," all the way up until it out turned you and blasted you in the face. XD You really made that F-4E look like it actually stood a chance which is the most I could ask for considering its my favorite all time jet aircraft.

[@Phoenix2.5D]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="818">13:38</a> that's fucking awesome, I never even thought of that

[@antonioconte49]

Another killer video! Thank you!

[@LilMissMurder3409]

Noticing you're still alive has to be the greatest feeling ever.

[@Michael_Michaels]

Damn! This one was close!! You almost had it!!! Well done!

[@defdaz]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, so close!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Amazing job, GS!

[@radioactive9861]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="963">16:03</a> in, that's a nice radar dish you got there, GS.

[@Karvega11]

There is an AF base about 100 miles from me and about once a month you'll here a sonic boom. I looked up what plane it could be and the flightradar app showed a F-4 Phantom flying away. Pretty cool.

[@rhino269]

I'm impressed you managed to stay alive long enough to get face to face with him, that was some great flying despite getting KIA. :)

[@murphyuriaguereka4360]

omg that was close man! Insane, good job!

[@j.59]

Amazed you made it to the merge. Nice work

[@Powerhead1000]

If you’re going out. That was one hell of a way to go! I was impressed you made it that far against those odds.

[@JAEUFM]

Fingers were crossed as the fight was going, wondering if GS could get the Felon to maybe use up his missiles, then turn the tables.

[@rikkisan1]

Honestly you put up an awesome fight

[@aerotorc]

Great job getting to the merge - but for the last shot remember Sky Fighters: “The only way to beat the missile is the gun” 😜

[@super-maneuverability592]

Su57 owns the battlefield theme ngl It absolutely has that presence, loud and electronic.

[@IAsyncEnumerable]

He was literally firing missiles worth maybe 2-3 times more than F4 itself. So every missile he missed you have already won.

[@andersjjensen]

Pilots' family members tend to not agree to that kind of evaluation.

[@craiga.glesner424]

I don't know maybe it's just me but I realized, I miss the Tac View debriefs. I do like the F-4 content though. Another jet of my childhood. Thanks for the entertainment and a smidge of air to air knowledge. :)

[@icaleinns6233]

Wow, amazing that you managed to last all the way to the merge!

[@martinblank1484]

That was great! One of the best so far...great flying!

[@chrisjohnston8468]

That was impressive, making it to the merge with an F4 against a Fellon!!!

[@Djrendezvous99]

This reminds me of a famous movie quote: "Dude, I almost had you!" 🤣

[@jimm.6542]

I don’t normally make comments to your videos, but I watch most of them. I grew up wanting to be an F4 Phantom pilot. You did justice to that aircraft taking it to the merge. I was on the edge of my seat watching this video. I seriously think you should run this one back because I think you might win the next time! Lessons learned……