The Curse of Yandere Simulator Fan Games

[@PaperWill]

Help bring my weird plushie to life with a $2 pledge! www.makeship.com/petitions/plushie-will Want to see more deep dives into unusual media? Video Games About 9/11 kzbin.info/www/bejne/emaqgnZ-n9mco8k Entertainment Made By Cults kzbin.info/www/bejne/pKKVkKuZicmbf5o Corrections: 1. Sorry to jackboog21, his game is still in development! Take a look. gamejolt.com/games/yandere-simulator-2d/88097 2. For Apeis and Shortcake, forgot to use they/them pronouns. Sorry about that

[@chimmy1161]

What you know about rolling down in the deep

[@aymeehughes908]

yeah i think we do rip offs

[@kirby6804]

Yes I have

[@unrealisticdiversity6427]

@Shawn 🏴‍☠️ Stafford nevada-tan?

[@jennfields1990]

I really loved the entertainment made by cults and the children show deep dives. I'd love to see more like that and definitely more cult stuff. I love ur sense of humor and the different takes on popular topics like cults and children shows. I personally am not that interested in video game stuff but I did watch it because I like ur commentary. Please make more videos like the cult entertainment

[@dabluepittoo-aqua4213]

Remember kids: don't start drama. Just make your protagonist wear a sombrero.

[@thesolidestsnake]

Metal Gear Rising Revengance: *takes notes from the past* DMC Devil May Cry: *takes notes from the last*

[@burnflaze2346]

Adios Amigos

[@kingbrennus1580]

Or be a simp, that apparently works too.

[@urlocal_gremlinnXD]

LMAO-

[@PaperWill]

I’m kind of happy that this is the top comment.

[@12DAMDO]

i don't know why, but Tumblr accidentally making a game where you commit hate-crimes is so hilarious

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

As a tumblr user, its very on brand for tumblr

[@ps1hagridoufofcharacter]

so very miku binder

[@peterevans6480]

tbh its not that bad, since the mc is supposed to be a bad person. But yeah idk if they thought of that

[@tomhato5523]

It’s tumblr in a nutshell, really

[@gregorysteffensen3279]

​@@ps1hagridoufofcharacterI hate how well that works as an adjective for misguided over-Tumblring

[@dr.zespert]

as a person who is not a game developer, for some reason this video makes me want to make a yandere simulator. it’s like a siren’s call

[@Siscon92]

😂😂😂😂

[@melanimates2275]

same honestly

[@pachiita]

LMAO same

[@itscharlie0110]

Siren

[@AggressiveSpaghetti]

Don't. You'll turn into a pеdo or worse. Based on how basically all yandere sim devs are like this

[@DetectiveJones]

You know it's a crazy rabbit hole when throughout the entire video Paper Will sounds like he's trying to rush through a story because he really needs to go to the bathroom yet there's still an hour of story

[@PaperWill]

About a week before release I found one game I had missed, yelled "GOD DAMNIT", recorded a summary in about 10 minutes, and later got a noise complaint from the neighbor from the GD. Everyone is welcome to guess which game in this list it was, I think I sound angry.

[@myoak108]

@@PaperWillDude, that neighbor sucks.

[@ccozzye]

​@@PaperWillI'm guessing it was virtumax but at the same time the story itself was frustrating so who knows bro😭

[@rachah2815]

As a Mexican, Mexican school simulator is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time

[@Halamam51]

Me encanta que es específicamente en un CONALEP xD

[@navatheramenguy3127]

not just any school, CONALEP of all things, that shit's so fucking hilarious

[@minarai313]

I think there’s also a toilet demon in Mexican School Simulator.

[@redwinesuprnova]

@@minarai313 there is lmao its so funnu

[@helIokitty]

Its also horrifying since theres like a different story atm 😭🙏

[@mino2123]

in the end, i can't believe that the least controversial game ended up being the mexico stereotype school simulator

[@Sigismund697]

Is it really an stereotype if it's made by an actual member of the nation? From what I saw here it started as a fucking Conalep simulator which already shows how ironic it was meant to be

[@navatheramenguy3127]

it's not a stereotype.... that's an actual conalep

[@CyanideOwl]

@@Sigismund697 being from a country of said stereotype doesn't sternly make it not stereotype...

[@dasanii2467]

@@Sigismund697 it's still a sterotype... that's like asking if an Indian person embracing the fact that they like curry in a comical way isn't a stereotype

[@Sigismund697]

@@dasanii2467 but if you're a member of that society and you know it is true isn't that just normal?

[@Insert_Creativity_Here]

I love how there’s all this drama and then Mexican School Simulator just existing peacefully in all it’s beautiful glory as it deserves to lol

[@SamiTheAnxiousBean]

Ikr

[@zippy8250]

What is this Mexican school simulator what's in about , how are the characters, and why the title?! Please pretty

[@Insert_Creativity_Here]

@@zippy8250 what

[@zippy8250]

@@Insert_Creativity_Here sorry I was just interested 😅

[@Insert_Creativity_Here]

@@zippy8250 Oh sorry lol you just confused me cuz there was a description of the game in the video and I wasn’t sure why you were asking me 😅

[@burnt_ramen9757]

I'll never be over Love Letter, literally all they had to do was be better people than YanDev which is an extremely low bar yet they ended up significantly worse than him.

[@vkeibkei]

aged like milk

[@thatonejoey1847]

@@vkeibkei yandev doesn't like being second place in his own competition

[@vkeibkei]

@@thatonejoey1847 that's a good one

[@midnightscarletrose6485]

Kub scouts played it when it was Love Sick and it did seem really promising. I wondered what happened to it Im sad now knowing it's dead likevrhe others😢

[@zenochara7522]

Why does this even happen with large creators like you get popular do you suddenly just like minors like I can name 17 times this happened.

[@SaltySamYouTubeSensation]

i love how the original game is SO cursed everything it touches just crumbles. yandere sim really is something that should be studied

[@asianjackass237]

What is there to study? Toxic concept attract toxic people that creates toxic environment. Simple as that

[@gamertag9903]

It's like a disease

[@fenleyjones]

i think paper will has pretty much studied it

[@SamiTheAnxiousBean]

Yandere dev is honestly the perfect example of how NOT to be a game developer

[@boomerangmonkey8263]

Truly, an untapped field of study!

[@shigaraki2035]

Basically you shouldn't rely completely on volunteers. More than half of the Yandree Sim games failed because of volunteers getting angry. Volunteers are good in all, but you need workers too.

[@PaperWill]

Exactly. What Red in Project RY is doing is the perfect approach: hire volunteers but be able to do their work if they can’t.

[@shigaraki2035]

@@PaperWill Aye! Thanks for responding! I also think RY is taking the right approach!

[@jack-a-lopium]

It doesn't help that Social Media relies overwhelmingly on 'bad behaviour' to generate power... 🤷‍♂

[@ginogatash4030]

It definetly would help to not treat said volounteers like shit.

[@Nukestarmaster]

The problem isn't that these games are using volunteers, a lot of games/mods/other software are made entirely by volunteers, the problem is that these games are all made by the same small group of volunteers who all seem to hate each other.

[@alicethemad1613]

The fact that Yandev messaged multiple game creators of (sometimes not even spite based) fangames expecting them to take their original work down because it “threatened his income” (made on patreon for a game he won’t ever finish) or JUST because it affected his popularity and threatened to take the spotlight off him for one single second, even using threats of suicide and financial ruin, makes me think mayyyybe his game never being finished isn’t totally other people’s fault

[@mianaru4540]

Hi! If you researched a bit further you would come to realize that Dev didn't message those developers for making a fan game/mod. He only personally dm'ed a selected few to confront them for stealing Yansim's private volunteer assets (and no I'm not talking about the Aoi model that is going to be replaced soon). The bits about financial ruin and suicide? (never saw that one before) are all heated and toxic arguments when the fan game devs refused and out of spite, take Dev's single sentence out of context. Also, I'd recommend trying out 1980s mode if you want to get a feeling of a finished Yansim game, I think Dev did a decent job with already made assets and voicelines.

[@mianaru4540]

@NoNutNovemberNeko I checked out some of them but I just feel that the creator of this list is very immature...

[@mianaru4540]

@@PaperWill That's correct, I haven't heard any rumors accusing Watashi No Mono specifically of reusing any of YS's models. Though I'm not completely sure why that name came up in the conversation. Are you saying Dev confronted even games/fangames devs that wished no harm or didn't intend to compete with Yandere Simulator? I surely have never heard of them, but maybe it's because of my limited knowledge.

[@MokohiChan]

@@mianaru4540 Yeah, YanDev got into with the developer of Watashi no Mono even though the Dev was actuay a fan of YanSim, never stole any assets, and generally was actually upset that people warped his game into a COMPETITOR of YanSim when he was actually a fan. YanDev didn't take any of this into account and was very unplrasant toward EpicMealDev which eventually led him to cancel his game because he felt it was having an effect on YanDev's mental health. Supposedly, there were suicide threats similar to Love Letter, but I can't fimd whether that part was true or false. However, the section of this video on WNM has the screenshots between YanDev and EpicMealDev wherein YanDev was generally rude, claimed the coding was bad, and that WNM was a ripoff. Around 32:00

[@mianaru4540]

@@MokohiChan I see, my apologies. I should have rewatched that part more clearly, thanks for reminding me =)

[@chernovbrichtofen4767]

Now the actual game is failing because of what the dev did. Another game to add to this list

[@outrider8569]

It's been long collapsing

[@marielcarey4288]

​@@outrider8569I thought it stopped recieving updates ngl lmao

[@BarioIDL]

@@marielcarey42883 bug fixes per update, totally normal

[@9ightdreamer]

The source material game has inevitably reached the list it has started.

[@GrianyBunch]

It’s so sad.....I don’t know how to leave the fandom😞

[@__________________________9190]

So basically, try to avoid drama, don't compare your game with Yandere Simulator, do not release your game half finished and expect it to be popular, do not make drama videos on your channel when developing, be ready for lots of obstacles while developing, expect developing a game to be very hard, actually finish your game, try your hardest to get actual volunteers who don't ruin the whole thing or start drama, focus on positivity instead of attacking people, and your Yandere Simulator fangame is good to go! Edit: And do NOT make your project out of spite. Edit: I never said that everything made out of spite can't be a success, I meant that making your project out of spite, is too unnecessary. Not only that, but it will just bring more drama into your project.

[@PaperWill]

Yup. Some people believe this genre is literally unfeasible as a fun game idea, but I strongly disagree. Someone could definitely make a fun YanSim game. They just need to prep better

[@aquabluerose7734]

And also don't try so hard to be politically correct that you swing 360 and it ends up unintentionally racist/homophobic! (The Tumblr game's problem)

[@blueflames3744]

it better to share news about game development for have little fanbase, and game can be little sucess for the time you make, if anyone see you re developp game when your game is finished, none personn will test your games

[@leavemealone802]

I would even say to no put Yandere in the title. Make the idea you are playing a yandere girl a secret

[@ConvallariaM4jalis]

Most importantly, don’t be an incel.

[@xbennly92]

from what im getting, most of the games got shut down because it either A. Associated with Yansim B. Had drama/controversy C. They didnt realize just how much effort they had to put in D.(kind of relates to A) Yandev insulted the game, guilt tripping the creators with his financial support

[@Jellywinmoment]

And Mexican School Simulator is not either those, it's number 1 for least-controversial YanSim (If you even put the "Yan" part in)

[@acrj-alfasaus4825]

Omg ty for summing up the vid for me, now I don't have to waste an hour of my life!

[@xbennly92]

@@acrj-alfasaus4825 ofc!

[@UserName-hr5wb]

D. -> a lot of these games were made completely out of spite so its understandable the man would get upset ,on top of the constant harassment he was getting. its pretty much 1 person or at most a small team vs thousands. and i do think it did affect his mental a lot. it would affect anyone. the hypocrisy is shown when every one of these projects failed at any bit of drama,as well as due to the amount of work expected/the scope being too high its bunch of teenagers underestimating the work behind an ambitious project and gathering up to gossip in forums because of herd mentality,hubris and plain ignorance. When most of these games come from kiwifarms, it is to no surprise they all die from the same toxicity and scrutiny they hold the OG yanderesim under.

[@axain7784]

​@@UserName-hr5wbOh, you sweet summer child...

[@ktvx.94]

These projects, ironically enough, are trying to kill their rivals just like their protagonists, except no one wins. It's difficult not to have a community as toxic as the premise of the genre itself

[@wozibwald8780]

The real YanSim game are the rivals we made along the way lmaooo

[@aspe2988]

My friend is making a yansim game yet he isn’t making it out of spite. He’s making it because he just likes that genre and wants to make something for him and others to enjoy☺️

[@K-MasterGirl]

Especially when a yandev is a yandere boss battle type himself.

[@VaradMahashabde]

"It's difficult not to have a community as toxic as the premise of the genre itself" Surprised pikachu face

[@XellosNi]

Wasn't that basically Jack Thompson's premise on video games?

[@WobblesandBean]

As a former producer in the video games industry, this is an incredibly frustrating watch. Did NONE of these people create a timeline, or a task list, or a design doc??

[@BarioIDL]

i got kicked because i asked for a design document

[@livwake]

Most of these are made entirely by amateur volunteers and it show

[@jeffs1571]

You mean you don't just wish super hard and believe in yourself and a game magically appears?

[@allymadison8112]

Omg you did? Can you tell me more about task lists and design docs? I've always been interested in the process of game design, but unlike my friend in digipen, I decided to go to school for other things

[@familyguysofunny1933]

Short answer. No Long answer. YanDev doesn't know how to make a game. He's a below average programmer duct taping stolen and free fanmade stuff.

[@AdventureHusky]

Basically what I'm hearing is that young, naive developers wanted to finish Yansim or prove themselves and weren't ready for the workload of making an actually competent game and all the challenges that came with that. they were trying to cash in or make a name for themselves not realizing how hard it is to make a game in the first place. Then of course the toxicity, but otherwise the main issue is getting dedicated developers and volunteers who actually care about doing long term projects.

[@nicestpancake]

I feel like the toxicity aspect largely comes from the fact that it's a bunch of teens(/VERY young adults) trying to be better than everyone else and not taking their time. You'll see most at the end of this list are taking it slow and steady as opposed to rushing things out and starting drama and I hope those go well for them.

[@slimedog5098]

@@nicestpancake So basically, idiots following a trends. What's new?

[@KirbyFrontier]

"Basically what I'm hearing is that young, naive developers wanted to finish Yansim or prove themselves and weren't ready for the workload of making an actually competent game and all the challenges that came with that." This actually kinda applies to YandereDev himself too (he's repeatedly stated the game development was never supposed to go for this long nor the scope get this big). The major difference being that he kept going anyways and is still going to this day (although he's clearly had a few emotional breakdowns along the way, several of which were documented in this video!). Considering that he's managed to get a proof of concept build out (the 80's mode, which is technically a full game and not in that "obviously an alpha pretending to be a fully game" that some other games in this vid got), I guess it goes to show that enough perseverence (...and time. Lots of time) can get the job done eventually.

[@hexogramd8430]

A lot of them seem to be pedophiles or just evil

[@Uchihasasuk5]

They all discovered the same thing that YandereDev did only YandereDev refuses to give up because his female character models are the only women in his life.

[@cdsworkshop2855]

It's simple, really. The very concept of YS, at its core, is way more ambitious than an indie developer can handle. Sadly, we no longer live in the era of flash games where a single random dude can pump out 50 Mario/Final Fantasy clones per year. Indie game development in general is much more difficult to get into these days, and YS is *incredibly* ambitious. It's essentially trying to be Hitman and Persona in one game. Even a AAA studio might struggle with a game like this, let alone random people on the internet.

[@masemaster2k440]

I'm glad to see someone who understands what game scale is, I've seen a lot of people criticizing a game's development time in relation to games with much smaller scales (Such as BATDR vs. FNAF), even without all the drama, Yan Sim was going to take a long time to make regardless :)

[@Caesim9]

Yes. And from what it looks like, they all go for the open world approach, and open worlds are incredibly hard to create and a lot of work.

[@andreikovacs3476]

Eh. As a GD I can say it's doable. You just need to be serious about it and not fuck around. It can be finished in less than 2 years.

[@masemaster2k440]

@@andreikovacs3476 Almost no big/complex indie game ever is finished in less than two years. In fact, most AAA games don't even take that short of a time to finish (usually between 3-5 years), sometimes even longer. If it was a simple game with a similar formula to hitman (like it was originally intended to be), than maybe it'd be possible. For something as complex as the Yandere Simulator we know, that would be downright impossible for only one person to finish in that amount of time.

[@andreikovacs3476]

@@masemaster2k440 That's the deal. It's not even a complex or big game. It's barely even a 2 year project. With a proper team it'd be done in less than 1

[@mrcool9090]

I feel bad for nitronix in that situation because like, the timeline for him was: Get contacted to work with a very popular thing at the time Find out that you are part of more and more emerging controversy Leaves it and starts something on his own. Then essentially getting ACCIDENTALLY FRAMED about being the person who just contacted him to make a manga

[@PaperWill]

I’ve heard that he’s doing a lot better now, in a new alias in new projects. Dude was just unlucky.

[@mrcool9090]

@@PaperWill yeah. thats good that hes doing good now.

[@spiderace7994]

@@PaperWill That situation honestly kinda ticked me off. Glad they're doing better now

[@DeaDiabola]

Daily Kiwifarm L Rip Eden and all the other people who lost their lives to that putrid site of pathetic losers.b

[@samsa9038]

my toxic trait is thinking that I could probably make a better game with zero experience

[@shaysworld9073]

Same

[@FruitsChinpoSamuraiG]

and that's how you end up on the same list as the others

[@LeaveMeAlone3omgIgotloggedouta]

Me too

[@leonvsderthazthebuizelfans2896]

Same, but at the same time im sure i would defenitly cancel it after 2 days

[@LeaveMeAlone3omgIgotloggedouta]

@@leonvsderthazthebuizelfans2896 saaammme lmao

[@fossilizedamber]

Maybe my humor is just fucked up but "the State of Limerance" inadvertently becoming a game about bullying minority characters is the funniest shit I've ever heard.

[@monbub]

Nah its not fucked up, I'm a minority of many groups and that shit is hilarious to me

[@nichan008]

Have you ever considered that it's just a game about bullying people? Wouldn't it be nice to live in a world where people aren't labels: they just are themselves and can be treated equally, even when that treatment is equally bad for everyone lol... 😅

[@fossilizedamber]

@@nichan008 it's funny cuz Tumblr is generally a site that spouts it's diversity and tolerance levels like waving a flag. Then along comes a game that seems like a 4chan troll project.

[@nichan008]

@@fossilizedamber I know, I'm not good at explaining myself. But it seems like it's just a matter of perspective, if you treat minorities as minorities then, yes it seems 'messed up' . But if you treat people as equal people with differences then its just a game about bullying... people. Anyway, was just trying to be cheeky and go against the popular view.

[@wenisdead6829]

That discord server was the craziest one I'd ever been in. They literally policed me because I said I liked the game grumps and I was 16 or so, and then they deleted everything because one of their own was a literal (no exaggeration) child groomer and p-dophile.

[@PRT95]

I remember Watashi no Mono. Dev quit the project when Covid-19 happened, and focused more on what was actually important. I know, anticlimatic, but it's a way better outcome compared to other inspired projects. Love Letter.... hoo boy. That's a whole can of worms in itself.

[@PaperWill]

Actually, and unfortunately, postponements on WnM began in earlier 2019, and then was officially cancelled the week the WnM’s dev quit and joined Love Letter’s team as Nocturnal. Not a criticism of the guy, just, I don’t think Covid was a factor. Good guess though!

[@PRT95]

@@PaperWill That makes sense. Sheesh.

[@Zafaruss]

Their motive was just spite anyways

[@connerrolofson1585]

he hasn't gotten much sleep.

[@WhoTookMyMirr]

He got threatening messages from Yandev too, unfortunately.

[@BeatingHeartTeam]

Thanks for including my game, i do agree, this community can be pretty toxic, i dealt with that recently, i hope i can finish beating heart and let everyone play it :)

[@PaperWill]

Good luck to everyone involved.

[@Frostyblustar]

@@PaperWill thanks- Hazus voice actor

[@fia3718]

Good luck!

[@spicywatermelon8617]

Good luck to you and the game!

[@JayTohab]

Cool beans 👍✨

[@vissersixty-nine6246]

I get the vibe that a lot of these failed because the teams behind them were young, inexperienced, and biting off more than they can chew. It's pretty normal for younger people -- or, hell, people without a lot of experience in general -- to have a LOT of passion and drive to do something great, only for it to fall through when they realize how ill-equipped they are. There's also the fact that a lot of these are done out of spite, and that YanDev seems perfectly willing to take as many of these people down with him as he can.

[@Just_Astri]

if there's one thing I noticed, these yandere sim fangames end up as the game itself. It gets developed and gets dropped almost immediately, AND drama happens. its like a continuous cycle of "history repeats itself" again and again and again

[@MisaMisaIsOnTop]

Mainly due to drama or y andere def just harassing the f*ck outta them

[@anewagora]

Wait so two games about bullying your rivals out of existence ended up bullying each other out of existence? Now that is crazy meta. Looks like LIFE is the real Yandere Sim 😂

[@ammagon4519]

The real Yandere sim is the real life we made along the way

[@chevgage6210]

Life is the real yandere sim, but that's a lazy masquerade video.

[@melisacaceres8740]

Tha game has been released all along and we're just witnessing the playthrough

[@theendeeminer21]

can I ask for a remodelling of my character?

[@C._Bradford]

Maybe the really Yandere Sim was the enemies we bullied along the way.

[@cute9955]

i was once a volunteer of a game, it was about a girl finding their sister, similar to a ys fan game as that girl will kill the person who kidnaped the sister, i was volunteering by texture hair models and models. The reason I left the game development is because i learnt the developer was a minor, as in below 13. I did promise to rejoin the development team when their above 13 or whatever, but by the time i rejoined, after 5 or 7 days, the game development ended because of some drama, didnt bother to know but i did know it was bound to end because most fan games/mods of yan sim would randomly stop.

[@PaperWill]

Yikesaroonie

[@nxlanLuvy]

was it Himawari No Funsai?

[@Cosmic-mane]

Why are there children making games about killing people?

[@vavalaz]

@ℂ𝕙𝕚𝕒𝕜𝕚 ℕ𝕒𝕟𝕒𝕞𝕚 thats not worrying even the old games had some extent of deaths specialy the ones you shot something just because they are making a game that has death in it inst worrying its more impressive since a kid making a game inst normal.

[@banana-uo3be]

@@Cosmic-mane Not that surprising tbh, there are a lot of games out there about killing people.

[@thatonespinster]

the new record for shortest development time goes to ME while watching this vid i felt like i could make my own yandere sim game with an interesting concept, so decided i would make my own concepts after i finished the vid after it was done i opened up clip studio, got up to get a soda, then by the time i came back lost all motivation. new shortest development time for this genre is about 2 minutes and 47 seconds

[@confusionandcreation6036]

2 minutes and 47 seconds might have been short, but it was enough to get me invested in your idea. Please I'm begging you it's been 8 months you need to go back to the concept Your 81 fans are starving don't let us down

[@niinii.T-T]

@@confusionandcreation6036 90 fans now 😢😢😢

[@sacrificiallamb4568]

105 fans now.

[@pkmntrainerred4247]

You can still pitch the idea to someone interested and talented enough

[@thatonespinster]

​@@confusionandcreation6036omg my fanbase.. sorry to disappoint all 1 hundred and 45 of you but the 'development' was so short there isn't a whole lot to say 💔 I know you guys here are probably just joking but for funsies but I'll explain the concept :) I wanted to prioritize the art style, going for low poly but visually appealing designs. Think of playstation graphics from niche japanese games. I wanted for it to be deceptively cute with a nice color palette, base yandere simulator has this to an extent but it could be pushed much further. And that's about it! Lol. Gameplay would be pretty much similar. The main difference would be a more present story and a different setting, neither of which I developed further than initial thought. I now feel that the setting is essential to the concept so I wouldn't change that.

[@StarbitLight]

Hello, Starbit Light there, the team behind Suicide For Him! Unfortunately, people has been misunderstanding SFH as a fan game, however we didn't got inspired by Yandere Simulator at all. In fact, the game has even been released in Early Access on Steam, and players were very surprised and amazed by how the game turned out! We believe that the only thing that made people misleading SFH as a fan game was the very similar artstyle at some point, but we are making our best to separate our game from any other game and stand out as its own original franchise. Beside that little confusion, that was a nice video! Keep it up!

[@PaperWill]

Hi Starbit! First, I hope the game is a huge success in early access! Second, I’m going to be honest with you: it’s very difficult to believe this game wasn’t even *a little* bit inspired by Yandere Sim. NexTone, the project creator, has made content for other YanSim games, of only 10 or so accounts the SFH Twitter has followed, the first two were BijuuMike and GamingFelix, who are famous Yandere Sim Let’s Players, several other members of the SFH team seem connected to the YanSim community, both have very similar headmaster NPCs, and both have the exact same daily walking-to-school set piece. But there’s nothing wrong with having influences and inspirations!. My channel was HEAVILY inspired by PhilosophyTube, Defunctland, Illuminaughti, and Dan Carlin’s podcast series on peculiar history. (Edit: Had to confirm something about the Twitter accounts.)

[@edz4prez204]

@Banium people can have opinions and if they find it hard to believe then that's how they veiw the game in the end they are just players not the devs who know their own game and ideas :) Just saying.

[@edz4prez204]

@Banium *AHHHHH*

[@lynettttte]

@Miku What

[@lynettttte]

@Miku sorry got confused

[@mariokarter13]

The biggest draw of a yandere simulator was the novelty. Nearly ten years later, the novelty's gone and the game hasn't moved an inch from the starting line. It doesn't matter how great your concept is, a lack of direction will be the death of it.

[@mccringleberrytha3rd]

Agreed at the time it was a new concept. Everyone was interested but now years down the line the interest has dwindled.

[@co7769]

The game literally hasn’t moved an inch huh? Sad

[@qwertyuiop.lkjhgfdsa]

@@co7769 osana exists but like... that's it, she exists, nothing else. so it has moved just a tiiiiinnyyy little bit but that's it

[@TheRenofox]

Actually, the concept is still as fresh and desired as it was ten years ago, as no one has yet made a finished game with it. It's like a holy grail of a game everyone has always wanted.

[@underwirez]

technically speaking, it is finished. atleast accounting for 1980s mode

[@fluffy6923]

The real reason for this curse is quite simple. Yandere Simulator is an ambitious project for a small team. That's why it is still not finished and that is why all "fan games" from devs who believe they can make it faster, fail. And those that gets "finished" are very bare bones. And making ambitious projects with random non paid people over internet rarely works.

[@yannickgrignon2473]

That, and it feels like most of them are just out of spite. Though you're absolutely right, this idea of "this one guy can't complete this ambitious game, but I'm sure *I* can complete a comparably ambitious game" is a weird and overconfident one

[@Bustermachine]

​@@yannickgrignon2473 It's bred from the fact that the Yandere dev has, in fact, made a mess of their own development. I'm saying that without a strong emotional connection to the success or failure of the venture. Correctly diagnosing that fact, however, doesn't mean the critics have the correct solution. If that makes any sense.

[@XxInfinityxXTimer]

You can't build something out of the foundation of hate and spite because if it crumbles. everyone will be back to square one hate and spite Build it on the foundation of just want to make a fun game. Once it crumbles everyone will be there to pick up the pieces and rebuild it back to its glory

[@nameredacted9119]

Also yandev’s code is an insult to spaghetti. Coding a game like that is ambitious for an experienced developer, but impossible for someone with so little experience and no desire to learn or take criticism

[@jsc315]

Yup. Unlike films if you have basic knowledge of filmmaking and a camera you can eventually have a finished product. Video games are expedientially far more complicated to finish.

[@thelordelric8424]

31:48 Yandev suggesting someone else's coding is bad is extremely funny.

[@kenzie_gxmer]

Fr 😭

[@derple8524]

And very ironic 😂

[@Thefriedchickenmaster]

I wanna make a complete version of yandere simulator with some things changed and some removed content but i dont know how to code

[@thelordelric8424]

@@Thefriedchickenmaster Yandere Dev doesn't know how to code either.

[@SerenityM16]

Honestly felt like all the clones were from people who were like “I can make a better Yandere sim game in 3 weeks!!” Lo and behold, of course they couldn’t

[@Melecie]

likely that and the usual "developers cashing on a trend to gain fame and money"

[@StardustLegend]

not gonna lie, I kinda wanna see a 24 hour game-jam type contest where the only theme is "Yandere Simulator".

[@Homodemon]

Yeah because the only ones interested in the... Huh "genre" to have that kind of unwarranted confidence are little kids who just don't know how the fuck you're supposed to code a game into existence. They think that all they need is one programer one modeler and one writer and that's it, that's their whole team and then they go on discord and reddit and spill it all about how their game is going to blow all the other clones away while they show off their modded MMD model fumbling around on Custom Maid or something. There's such a little kid mentality around this stupid anime game that's actually kinda hilarious.

[@SerenityM16]

@@Homodemon honestly I still like the game, but then this also lampshades/pokes fun/uses anime tropes I have grown up on and am very familiar with

[@maxsync183]

Yeah even though its taken Alex literally 8 years to get to where he is, working for 1 hour a day will result in more total work done over 8 years than working 6 or so hours for only a year. When the motivation is based on "I can do it better than someone else" and not "I want to do it because I'm passionate about it" it's not really conducive to actually finishing things

[@punkbeluga5091]

Phrases all around the world for "impossible" America: When pigs fly Greek: When a mule foals Internet: When Yandere simulator is finished

[@Jellywinmoment]

"When Pigs Fly" actually became real after THE BLOOD GOD'S death so he made pigs fly and became GAMERS

@@Jellywinmoment What?

[@Jellywinmoment]

@ Blood god is of course Techno, and he's flying high

@@Jellywinmoment That still does not make sense.

[@Jellywinmoment]

@ Ignore me now

[@friendly-1ntrovert865]

when I was younger and still a fan of Yandere Simulator, I actually downloaded Schoolgirl Simulator because I didn't have a pc at the time and couldn't play the actual game. I played the game a couple times before getting bored of it and just deleting it from my phone. It was just so boring because there wasn't really objectives and it was really easy to explore the map that wasn't even really that big.

[@Heallio_Emmerson]

same and true

[@misscaution704]

I had that app too! I actually really liked it and just vibed around the school, I even made my character become the girlfriend of one of the NPCs Mika.

[@Nxo_ahx]

Lol I also played it- But my only goal was get a partner, and after that, I never played i again

[@Strawbiwi]

I have the app and I'm still playing it.

[@Nxo_ahx]

@@Strawbiwi Well Thats nice, after a year I usually get bored of certain things, I'm Amazed you still have interest

[@shr1mpsush1]

Knowing what we know now, its kinda hilarious that Yandere Simulator started life in a 4Chan thread.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

Why? 4channers used to post CP as a "joke" all the time and until very recently there was a lot of pedophilia apologism. Nazis also have a notorious pedo problem in their ranks too, to them pedophilia is only bad when brown or gay people do it.

[@Djjunior95]

In words of the man himself, “4chan is the rectum of the internet.”

[@augustuslunasol10thapostle]

@@Djjunior95 katawa shoujo that game is actually pretty good and its a hentai VN dating sim from 4 chan (the story and emotional impact are the main draw the hentai is only in their because of the og concept being from a extras page of a doujinshi) anyway not everything from 4 chan is 100% garbo i mean shit the katawa shoujo the game is pretty good and the dev team are now like in really good positions in the gaming industry, animation, writing, music or just doing their own thing that being said 4channers like yandev are the exemplars of 4 chans normal contributions to the world

[@chillfactory9000]

to be honest, schoolgirls simulator is pretty sick. its fun to mess with it EDIT: I don't even remember commenting this, but a year later, I'm still playing that game. Best fangame ever imo.

[@chicken7471]

true its really fun especially with the axe

[@b4ssyhunter810]

fr

[@wonderscenekid]

What about school girl AI?

[@wonderscenekid]

Plus they don’t know how to spell

[@cherrythequeen6072]

yes, I just go around and around doing anything i want, even fly

[@IPlayWithFire135]

One day someone will come up with the idea that makes all of these disparate elements that go into these attempts at Yandere games work together well as something playable, immersive, and challenging.

[@anonymoususer9197]

I think this video didn't do saiko no sutoka any justice at all since it mentioned it the "drama" but it's actually nothing like yansim, has an actual story and multiple game modes with variation of difficulty with a new one coming soon and frequent updates. It's more of an escape horror game rather than Yansim ripoff. The only similarity is that a yandere is even in the game. I recommend checking that one out since the development is actually still going strong with new stuff being added frequently enough.

[@alicequeenofmadness9995]

@@anonymoususer9197 This! Saiko No Sutoka is nothing like Yansim

[@edef1244]

People so far have treated their "very original non-yandere sim" games as an fnf mod. You can't just remodel a bunch of students, add some insignificant new features, add new bgm and call it a day lmao. A mod. A mod is what you made, not a game. That, or they made something truly original and then abandoned it when dunking on yandev stopped being as common as it was. People forgot about him and Yansim, and they felt like the dwindling infamy meant their games won't be receiving enough attention to justify continuing development.

[@OrionDawn15]

@@anonymoususer9197 Imagine if it had coop, one player playing the Senpai and the other playing the just-so-happens-to-be female best friend that the antagonist would also like to kill. Just my idea of what an implementation for coop would be cosmetically, not sure how it'd affect the gameplay though...

[@nemurii7628]

@@anonymoususer9197 ikr, its just like granny

[@sumostaff2539]

Maybe he wants to break the worlds record of the most very long game development ever. Edit: OMG THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I GET A LOT OF LIKES! thank you sm everyone! 🤧💗

[@PaperWill]

YanDev’s on his way then. But I think he’s got 6 more years before passing Duke Nukes Forever.

[@dwightmorgantheduck2139]

Or maybe MAKING A GAME IS VERY HARD TO MAKE

[@mayateeemm5728]

@@dwightmorgantheduck2139 maybe if he actually accepted help with coding it wouldn’t be so hard for him

[@danonation2402]

@@dwightmorgantheduck2139 didnt many people like donate lots of money to update yandere simulator but instead he used it for himself and not for the actual game itself?

[@ryanchristie3345]

@@danonation2402 i believe he bought a nintendo switch with the crowdfunding money

[@the-apprentice-bebop]

Coming back to this video, I can't help thinking how much better YanSim would be as a visual novel. Like, time mechanics, so every action you do skips forward a certain amount of time in the day, you could play around with screen effects if you go particular places and happen across your Senpai, every place could quickly describe what's going on and you choose which situations to approach - the code would be fairly complex for a visual novel and include a lot of variables and counting up points but as someone who codes in Renpy it would totally be possible to even keep all the gameplay aspects like gossiping, befriending the unimportant students, joining clubs, hell even Info-chan. hell you could even keep having minigames for things like the maid cafe job or the clubs! And if you were coding in Renpy you wouldn't even need to use much actual Python since a lot of these mechanics could be coded just in Renpy without using init blocks, plus it's an easier coding language. Like?? Man.

[@sakuraaishi246]

I don't think it's better as a visual novel but if you think it's better than go make a visual novel based on yandere simulator you stupid

[@the-apprentice-bebop]

@@sakuraaishi246 did. did you need to be so rude? it's just my opinion. there was really no need to call me stupid over it. we're allowed to politely disagree.

[@sakuraaishi246]

@@the-apprentice-bebop then go make your visual novel if you think it's better as a visual novel

[@the-apprentice-bebop]

@@sakuraaishi246 I never said I wanted to. It was just a thought I had. I have my own projects, I was never really considering it. Just because I have an opinion about it doesn't mean I have to prove it right, y'know?

[@amandapen]

So, basically DDLC + Danganronpa kinda?Honestly most yandere games I've heard of had been VNs so I think you're onto something.

[@frankfort332]

Turns out, seemingly underage girls going on a murder frenzy to go after a guy doesn't have the best target audience

[@monbub]

Wow, who would've thought?

[@mothbutgay]

I was thinking the same thing honesty-

[@mystrallsnowlight]

and the same underage girls going on a murder frenzy aint limited to person from same universe they kill all, even other's universe, even beyond dimensions

[@cancerino666]

Disagreed. We often play as serial-killers, terrorists, mafia criminals, hitmans, all kinds of fantasy and crazy plots that only make sense in context and gameplay. Why not a possessive killer?

[@cancerino666]

The problem ain't the base concept, but the entire vision and execution behind it.

[@TheDorianTube]

Gotta say one thing tho. A lot, a looot of these games have a weird sense of proportions. YanSim OG included. Super giant floor tiles, small trees, mini school desks, etc. It's weird lol.

[@markusa5293]

Probably because a lot of these assets are from the Unity store. They are thrown into the game without retooling and with the thought "ahh, we'll polish it later", the games never being finished (let alone polishing) are just left as they are.

[@shibumi-tanuki]

Yes, Mexican School simulator is most definitely a joke game jsjsjsjs The fact it was called Conalep Simulator makes it all the funnier (the Conalep is like these public schools that have a reputation of being super wild and that basically anything can happen there)

[@BknMoonStudios]

CONALEP high schools are the wild west of Mexican schools. You hear all kinds of stories: From drug abuse, rampant orgies in the bathrooms, death threats and actual murder... Shit is wild, yo.

[@TunaPetunia456]

Hearing this is news to me and honestly....idk how to feel about it 😃💀

[@lapinatadelafiesta]

That name brought me unwanted memories

[@shibumi-tanuki]

@@BknMoonStudios Not to mention the nth number of teen pregnancies that students there end up having. Every year💀💀 Conaleps are definitely crazy

[@bellekelly582]

I wanna transfer to one now

[@asteroidrules]

If nothing else, whoever made the generic anime-style character models and animations on the Unity Store is making an absolute killing on all of this.

[@PeriwinklePig]

Wonder how they feel about the journey this model has gone on...

[@N30-LUCIF3R]

i doubt that the people who made the models are actually getting much money off them, it's really easy to rip the models straight up from the games and other places, rigs and all without a dime spent.

[@gliss444]

No they aren’t, the models are free and probably easy to steal

[@chasetherealtuber]

"They accidently made a game where you bully a diverse cast of minorities and basically only minorities" is one of the funniest lines I've heard in a while, especially in relation to Tumblr. Edit: I just thought it was ironic and absurd. Y'all need to calm down.

[@cokeMONSTERps3]

Beautiful.

[@ginogatash4030]

Everything about Tumblr before the crazy liberals went to Twitter can be reassumed with that phrase, they won't shut the fuck up about oppression of minorities but they always punch them down the hardest be it fictional or real.

[@ShionKenobi]

@@ginogatash4030 Deep.

[@svendie-gramm1378]

@@ginogatash4030 it's pretty true though, there's no unity in there, everyone's self-destructive and destructive to other people. It's pretty unfortunate, too, because you'd think shared pain would push people through. But no, instead of sharing each others' plights and understanding, it became an oppression olympics. Everyone should be morally correct at a certain point and there are no gray areas. If perfectionism was a community, this would be it. I didn't want it to be true but it does seem like my generation has continued to focus on festering and whining about the pain instead of fixing the issue at hand.

[@princeeve9098]

as a limerence dev i can confirm it is actually the funniest part of the whole thing. "you became the evil you swore to defeat" type shit

[@ImazuKyoko]

12:34 I used to love this game when I was younger because 1) you could customise your character 2) it was pure crack, you could fly, pick up random strangers, pick between a multitude of weird weapons/items, pretty much do anything 3) you could actually make someone fall in love and date them, it included girls which was cool (as you said in the video) I also liked the designs honestly. There was this girl in traditional japanese clothing I believe, I don't know what she was doing here but she looked pretty cool. Lastly, I took the last name of a random student and made it one of my OC's last name, I've kept it since and at this point I got too attached to it to change it. The game isn't objectively very good, but it has a special place in my heart lol Edit: one of my favorite thing I think was having your own apartment and being able to choose between a few backpacks, you had a kitten too. I had fun with the game

[@KHALI_SEAWEED]

One of my oc's is literally named Tomoka Itoh because she was inspired by my shenanigans on School Girl Sim, this mess of a game has a special place in my heart too

[@ImazuKyoko]

@@KHALI_SEAWEED Oh my god the Dazai pfp too yes >>> I'm so happy to have someone share the same experience!

[@OneDotLeader]

the girl (when you talk to her she will offer you a useless "lottery" menu) is apparently supposed to be Reimu from Touhou? which is just so random. which is beautiful. i still play it regularly

[@whyareuhere219]

@@KHALI_SEAWEED omg yesss I remember school girl sim

[@chibi_okami]

I heard about that game but never played it, I think it's similar to Sakura School Simulator? Sakura School Simulator is one of my favourite games

[@OcioCamaraMx]

The thing with Mexican school simulator is that it's a parody of an actual mexican school named Conalep, that school exists almost everywhere and it's such a known meme and when all simulators began to pop up everywhere, people suggested to make one about Conalep and all the bizarre themes that surround the school's name

[@carpaltunnelchan]

That Yandere Dev got exposed for being a groomer makes the controversy part a little funnier.

[@Aaron-ms5bl]

Waiting for another ukulele apology

[@UNfairMario870]

​@@Aaron-ms5bloh wait he wont finish it

[@Aaron-ms5bl]

@@UNfairMario870 stawp 💀✋

[@spadessongs]

Hey, Nitronix here. When the LL drama happened i was 15 and had been going through a lot of mental shit around that time and seeing loads of ppl online basically tell me i was someone else was excruciating. I felt like I was going insane. And the irony is that because I tried to prove i was who i said i was i ended up with a cop pointing a gun at me after busting into my house. I guess the lesson is not to do stupid cringey shit but God the internet is crazy

[@heavenlysadist]

Sorry to hear that from you, it must've been chaotic since then

[@sanguinesatellite808]

late reply but i hope you’re doing better now man!! that sounds awful, the internet is a scary place

[@TheKingsPride]

God, I was never big into YanSim, but I was right in the middle of the Love Letter community. It was actually crazy and pretty infectious, people were excited at the idea of a game like YanSim completely divorced from YanDev’s horrible creepiness. And then it disintegrated almost overnight. It was wild how quickly the community fell apart.

[@magicrainbowkitties1023]

Bro same! I was on the Discord server and everything XD

[@ArtymationsKiba]

It was baffling being in the community and it immediately crumbling

[@UserName-hr5wb]

the spite game ended up crashing and burning due to spite and toxicity? how unexpected.

[@YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah]

@@UserName-hr5wb It crumbled because Apeis is also quite mid

[@YouKnowImOnMyPeriodYah]

I was never IN the community but I made fan art. I blacked it out on another layer cause I was ashamed of it after what came out but I’m still hella proud of it lowkey 💀💀

[@transwillprevail]

ex-dev of Limerence here (as you can tell from the profile picture lol). Just wanted to say that Limerence itself was a mess. Originally started in a discord server as a fangame being made in revenge against YanDev. I remember the YanSim rivals got leaked in this chat by one of the volunteers and it wasn’t a great start to development… there was also a lot of in-house bullying which was separate from the drama with Love Me. I was the 2D pixel artist for the game and also one of the writers. One of the devs in particular (Ophelia) was a big cause of the downfall of the game, they were pretty controlling, started a lot of drama and the reason I left the team back in 2017 due to some questioning views on transgender women which was akin to the same sort of views that TERFs hold. Sort of checks out since one of the rivals was a transgender woman and her elimination method was pretty… brutal. The point about the game being a bullying simulator against people from different minorities is a very good point and I felt that when I was working on the game. In all honesty, I wanted the game to be more focused on the murder mystery rather than the social sabotage aspect but then I guess it wouldn’t have been a YanSim fangame, it would have been an entirely different genre. Was not surprised in the slightest when it flopped over a year after I left the team.

[@DepressooEspressoo]

What was the elimination method? If you don't mind me asking

[@silvermoons7539]

I'm pretty curious as well

[@princeeve9098]

@@DepressooEspressoo im an ex-limerence dev as well. if im remembering correctly you sabotage her career and humiliate her during a show shes running (she was a designer, and was modeling her creations). i dont remember too many details (like the exact way you sabotage the show) since it was a while back and i try not to think of the game, but i remember it was pretty dark. that game was a disaster and kaiya (op) is 100% correct. in an effort to hit that sweet 2016 "representation is everything" tone, we ended up falling over ourselves and by the time i realized how disgusting shit got, we were X years into the project and I wouldn't be listened to since it would mean scrapping LITERALLY everything. i'm glad that game is gone, it was embarrassing at best and torture porn at worst. what kaiya went through especially is something i have not and will not forget any time soon. i hope these yansim games just learn to quit while they can.

[@princeeve9098]

hey kaiya, another ex-limerence dev here! i remember the time it really solidified lim's place as a failure for me was when kiwifarms (sarcastically) said "guys relax, theyre just like us. theyre making a game where you bully minorities!" thats when i knew i wanted to leave but i was petrified of having a smear campaign against me like everyone else who left. i remember so many people didn't leave solely because they just didnt want to get shit-talked, and 9/10 it WAS initiated by a certain very controlling member. this doesnt excuse my place in everything though, and i hope youre doing well now ♥

[@Somno_toska]

I remember being a part of that discord aswell, it was filled with minors (me at the time included) making just a ton of art for the characters whilst barely any progress was happening, there was this extreme unbalance of 2d artists vs 3d and actual programmers iirc... what a mess honestly

[@cakestealer5983]

Honestly the Mexico School Simulator game has my absolute respect. Especially the holiday events, which in my opinion are an absolutely underrated aspect in single player games. Outside of that, respect to all the devs still pushing on with developing.

[@covereye5731]

This 'curse' is just what happens to most games, by devs that don't have experience in releasing games: - They rely on volunteers because they don't know how to finish it on their own, become overly dependent on them and public relations, making the project jeopardized if just one volunteer stops working. This also creates a tension that fuels drama. - They take help from just about anyone in order to finish their game, thinking that more hands are better. While it just creates more dependency, more need for management and more opportunity for drama. - They underestimate the scope of the project, get swept up by their vision and are unwilling to compromise at things that deter from it.

[@ZorotheGallade]

And that is compounded by the low-hanging fruit of "at least my game is better than the half-finished, unoptimized mess that is the actual Yansim" as if that discounts them from putting in any effort at all.

[@mushmush4980]

Not to mention that the Yansim audience is full of kids, the people who want to build these games are inexperienced and usually kids, and the type of people who enjoy these games tend to be very passionate, volatile, and not very agreeable (note the drama). Take a kid from high school to college that enjoys violent and dramatic content, give them a very ambitious and energetic personality, and give them an inflated ego due to their noticeably high skill level in coding for their age. They have the ambition to start but not the desire to put in the work, and their people skills are immature or perhaps just incompatible with the personalities of the people who have the skillsets they need to progress in the project. They aren't the best team builders, and already have too much in their life at their age to dedicate themself to a project of their desired scope.

[@Sigismund697]

Turns out you actually need this types of people called managers or executives to rein in talent to make things work Crazy how that works

[@alicequeenofmadness9995]

@@badbeachindustry1615 This is very true, I took a game design course. I did not enjoy it. I still love playing games tho.

[@Caesim9]

@@ZorotheGallade Yep especially at the scope. Developing games is hard enough, but few people realize just how much work an open world is. And then how complicated a game is where so many interactions can happen, interactions with objects, objects with each other, AND at least somewhat believable character interactions based on what happened before. Even the Hitman games, which are produced by a high end studio, have their missions mostly in self contained areas, which keeps "action -> consequence" simpler. In a situation like this, the devs have to be at the drawing board and come up with a robust system for these problems. And I doubt too many had done that.

[@bigbadseed7665]

My theory is that the yandere archetype is an inherently toxic concept and tends to attract toxic people. That's why all these project collapsed into drama.

[@ShionKenobi]

It attract juvenille people. Cuz Yandere is a 1-note very edgy animu trope, in the end of day. Most of those Devs are preteens, or have the maturity of one.

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

@@ShionKenobi ive seen literal eleven years old on some of these dev teams which is fucking insane

[@ShionKenobi]

@@iwakeupandboomimarat Kids just love some edge. The actual reason Elfen Lied was such a success with youngs in my generation. Cute girls with Guro? Soooo matuuure... Funny how those brats think they can properly supervise any project. It could still work, just barely (a bad product, but still a finished one), and that's a maybe, if they limited the scope to indie VNs and RPGMaker. Voiced 3D games? Good luck, children.

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

@@ShionKenobi honestly i think a yandere sim game could work, but they REALLY need to limit the scope of what content they want. i feel like thats partially why the actual yansim feels so disappointing. because alex promised so much so early on and constantly insisted of time frames that he couldnt reach, people naturally felt antsy or that no work was being done. i really liked the game as an edgy 11-13 year old (kids really do love some edge) and i just dropped off because the game just felt like a standstill, with all content added feeling like it was useless or there to stall people

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

I feel like this concept could theoretically work, but it would take a writer and programmer who is very self aware and doesn’t take things too seriously. As a matter of fact, when I heard about YanSim, I thought the idea was supposed to be a parody of those edgy horror anime with crazy girls. The problem is that YanSim has a story that is unironically just as cliche and boring as those edgy anime and genuinely thinks it’s a cohesive original story. I think the problem arises when the kids who make this game take everything at face value and take the concept so seriously. The Yandere trope is kind of falling out of favor as of late in modern anime; Yanderes just aren’t around as often, and anime girls that are unhinged on some level tend to have other traits that prevent them from being defined as Yanderes anyway. The only way I could see YanSim working is as a parody, or with some type of twist.

[@ratterl3641]

Saiko no Sutoka is actually my favourite on this list because of the cut scenes, modes and basically anything else

[@pineapplesauce6509]

for real though, from it's choppy art style to the girl's voice, it all just sets the perfect mood.

[@sandraallysa]

same. they're so fucked up espc the jumpscares lol

[@sugarboo8715]

It’s a really good game!! It gives me chills every time I’m playing it

[@SoggycereaI]

It's so fun

[@deltawarrior543]

Yeah Saiko no Sutoka is definitely the most fun and least Yandere Simulator like one.

[@beerus-sama6669]

Probably a good thing that there's a "curse" on these games. They always sound like some 12 year old's bad and/or disturbing fanfiction or RP character.

[@aquerbus]

this was actually a childhood for many ppl

[@kenzie_gxmer]

@@aquerbusit was for me lol

[@kenzie_gxmer]

I tyink that one more game may be coming out hehe 😜

[@skogsmyra]

@@aquerbusgo to therapy, sounds like you were desensitized to sexist racist tropes as a young child, that shit ain’t normal or healthy. play a normal hitman game if you like violence and edgy content, not weeb garbage that trivializes molka/hidden camera sexual harassment. people do that to literal children in japan and s.korea, it ruins peoples lives.

[@Boomblox5896]

I dunno, Saiko no Sutoka seems pretty well-developed to its own standard. Not as that Hitman-like open-ended game with lots of options, but as a closed-space horror survival game. I think that one of all the "yandere" titles is very promising.

[@ReesesBees]

It's been getting some good love from fans and the developer, with cutscenes and lore that actually makes sense, and mechanics that work really well.

[@rikafurude9102]

i really love it

[@timtam2400]

I've played a bit, and have heard little negativity about it. Maybe it's differences from most other yandere games have helped it succeed.

[@Tweetletree]

yeah it's just a game like Granny but instead of escaping Granny you escape from a yandere

[@alysskuriyama5538]

Great video! I'm pretty deep into the Yandere Simulator community, so seeing some games even I was unaware of was a pleasant surprise. I agree that there does seem to be a "curse", but it's largely because most of these projects follow this formula: -The devs are too young, immature, and inexperienced -The game is made public basically as soon as the devs are able to import the Aoi model pack into the project -The game yoinks the already broken Yandere Simulator formula and doesn't know where to go once they've caught up to the original game -The devs underestimate how much work goes into the project -The devs have public fights/petty drama (like you said). Bonus in that since the community is such a small pool of people, this is almost inevitable for the majority of these games since you can't quite get away from the people you have beef with -The "team" is very small and fickle -The dev themselves have almost no skills to contribute to the project OR are artists first, programmers second, developers third. Wants to improve on Yandere Simulator because they see its flaws but don't actually know what to add or how that's an actual improvement. I've lurked in and participated in many Discord servers dedicated to many of these projects, so I've been able to see them crash and burn in real time, complete with petty fights and immaturity from everyone. Here are some small details/fun facts you may have been unaware of since you didn't mention them in the video: -Project RY was born after the development team of NYS (Not Yandere Simulator) fell apart. There's almost no evidence of them existing after they deleted their Discord server around 2018 (was there for that. It was magical), so I don't blame you for missing them. -The KZbin channel of Sara's School Life's actually made one of the (many) mistakes that Yanderedev made which was to lash out in frustration because of repetitive of comments and questions (in this case it was "is this coming to Android?"). They uploaded a very short video that was very similar to Yanderedev's "Stop Sending Me Emails" video. -The '"toxicity" in question on the Discord server was mostly people asking for updates/criticizing the lack of progress (admittedly in a not so civil manner) since the team had largely been silent for a while. The only person who consistently seemed to be working on the project was one of the head writers. -There's currently a(nother) Watashi no Mono Revival project that was semi-active on Discord earlier this year. As of about a month ago (I think), they locked the server, allegedly due to a very angry someone harassing someone else, at some point. There have been no official updates, development or otherwise, since August. The Discord server invites are restricted, so I can't send a link, unfortunately. -There's yet another game called SkyJane which was announced somewhat recently on r/Osana that seems to be a mashup of Harry Potter and My Hero Academia. It seems to be rather large in scope, but is currently active here: kzbin.info/door/apJr9eIEszxTsl6bEpqCfg -Suicide for Him isn't on hiatus. Like you said, the Discord server is active, and it actually seems that things might be going semi-smoothly? As of today, Steam is reviewing their game and they're looking to upload it as Early Access soon. Related to this, I pointed out a while ago that the name "Suicide for Him" might not be great for optics, so an unofficial alternative name is Sudoku for Him. As for the video itself, I'll say this: I like that you reached out to everyone involved, but was disappointed by your lack of elaboration on those discussions. It might take up more time, but I would prefer you just give a more detailed recap of those conversations instead of "I talked to X and Y about this (people who definitely had very different perspectives), and both had lots to say, but in the end they both agreed that Z." I honestly don't know how you dug up so much information about even the very, *very* shortlived games, so kudos for that too.

[@hatsuneelissu5924]

i kinda agree! there are so many people that think "oh making a game is easy" or "coding is easy" i can do it way beter & faster durpderp! then they wil build up a fan base just to hate on other projects ect! then trouble in paradise happens and everyone exposes everyone! and were do they end up? in the same hole they pushed others in.

[@PaperWill]

Thanks for this comment, you really filled in a ton of gaps. I’ll also update the pinned comment with some of this info (with credit to you)! You’re right that it would have been more interesting to go into details about the project discussions/interviews. But truthfully it was just a lot of the same info: drama and scope.

[@alysskuriyama5538]

@@PaperWill Neat! Also, quick note of clarification: the toxicity in the Discord server I was referring to was actually in Hiwata no Nadoko's server. Just realized I forgot to actually include the name.

[@tsunderenekokun]

the formula of ys fangames but I made it more clearer: -devs being immature or problematic -children always begging devs for "dOwNlOaD lInkS" -devs release fangame too early or don't keep development private -devs yell at children for asking for a mobile version/ devs attract a lot of children by saying that there will be a "mobile version" -drama everywhere -devs usually make the mistake of opening a discord server, making the chance of drama happening or the intensity of drama even worse -sometimes grooming :( -inexperienced & small team or hiring inexperienced ppl

[@jamm6_514]

"Artists first, programers second and developers third" literally me with my project

[@UralaRowmore]

What’s interesting is that the whole concept of a “Yandere” is that the person is very toxic overall to her love interest, and ironically it seems the community is just as toxic, which seems to be the main reason most of these games failed. 🙃 that’s quite unfortunate.

[@esoopthederp7672]

SHOCKING, THIS JUST IN, COMMUNITY FULL OF SPITE AND ANGER SPLINTER OFF INTO PROJECTS BUILT OFF SPITE AND ANGER, PROJECTS END DUE TO THE KIND OF PEOPLE FULL OF SPITE AND ANGER

[@jannanasi4444]

"What’s interesting is that the whole concept of a “Yandere” is that the person is very toxic overall to her love interest" Hate to be that guy but you're probably thinking of tsundere

[@NighttyDai]

@@jannanasi4444 Nah, works for the two types

[@maxsync183]

@@NighttyDai tsunderes aren't even really toxic, they're almost the exact opposite

[@berlin7817]

Nah man the yandere concept is more just being overly and dangerously obsessed w someone but i fully agree with yo opinion

[@arnoldinigov.pascual617]

I think the cancellation that saddens me the most is Epic Meal Dev's project because it was basically the recipe for a successful game but at the very least them ending it was their own decision and not forced by drama or YanDev himself

[@Theonewhoisinfinite]

Holy hell, did I really just listen to almost an hour straight of failed Yandere games? Yes, yes I did. Well done sir

[@onvawynog4696]

Man really sacrificed 1000+ hours reviewing every game listed here not including the amount of research done here just for our sake.

[@PaperWill]

I’m sure Dere won’t be any lasting side-effects to my brain.

[@angelinatheweird366]

@@PaperWill I see what you did Dere..

[@hachiiiiko707]

fun fact. the “yandere sim model” was a free asset- named aoi. yandev(alex) just downloaded it.

[@PaperWill]

You’re 100% correct! One of my biggest regrets in this video is not making it more clear that the Aoi character pack was originally a Unity model available to anyone. What I meant to do was say “This is one of thousands of unity models, but popularized by YanSim, and now most of the fan games choose that one as well because it’s the YanSim one”. Oops

[@hachiiiiko707]

thats what i thought- but like alot of other people claim that yandev made the models and then the “fakes” stole the model and im like what- no-

[@n0xxienoo469]

Now hes updating the unity asset skrr models into originals like with taros and sakyu and inkyu basus hairs

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

@Moha i think it used to be free or there was a free variant, not 100% sure tho

[@mianaru4540]

3d modellers are working on the new student body model right now, i'm super excited to see it in action 0^0

[@Nikolai1939]

other than drama, those guys don't set realistic scopes for their games, they want to make a game as complex , large and fleshed out as Hitman, a series of games made by (generally) large teams of professionals that are often seasoned devs working on the industry for years. A game this massive by a small team or even one dev, most of which are just amateurs is almost fated to fail, notice the ones that have realistic goals and no drama are the ones that goes farther.

[@cactusrosi1409]

I honestly wouldn't mind seeing what a company can do with the concept. I doubt they'd have drama because they'd treat it like a job. Maybe drama starts because of lack of leadership.

[@littledouhie]

Yeahhh seeing how ppl didn't know how to punish bad attitudes n stuff it seems like there was a bit of a power struggle. also being paid inccentivises commitment and people are generally more formal and polite in workspaces as there is risk of being fired

[@LikaLaruku]

Moral of the story: If you're going to release a Yandere Sim game, act like a business & don't talk to the public at all, & make sure both you & your employees have professional attitudes instead of emotional baggage.

[@tomie_kawa]

The Yandere-chan hairstyle and model weren't the original ones that Yandere dev made, The Models were bought at the Asset store, and the other Developers downloaded it too which makes it that the other games copied Yandere chan's hairstyle and model is wrong.

[@PaperWill]

I’d have to check, but I think I was pretty careful not to say it was YandereDev’s original asset, only that lots of YanSim games use the same model as the main character from YanSim. And I think it’s fair to describe that as copying. If you’re making a Yandere Sim-inspired game, there are thousands and thousands of Unity Store character models. It’s not a coincidence that almost everyone uses the one YanSim uses: they’re going for familiarity.

[@rus.t]

Who knew a community dedicated to a game about targeting rivals would have problems related to calling out rivals? I guess life truly imitates art.

[@MoonlightMirage]

The story behind Virtuamax is depressing honestly, just because the community thought NitroNix was Drapeis, going as far as to doxxing the poor guy? I hope NitroNix is okay and moves away from the toxic yandere community

[@walterwhitecookingchannel8912]

Kiwifarms is goofy

[@ryokiritani4187]

@@walterwhitecookingchannel8912 thank god they were deleted

[@princemako]

One game that really stood out to me was the Mexican school simulator because I hardly ever seen an Anime simulator game taken place in Mexico. Besides that, It looked like it would’ve been really popular

[@Sigismund697]

It's based on Conalep schools, it was very obviously a meme game from the very beginning

[@cheeriocake640]

Saiko no Sutoka is actually a really good game!I hope the dev is able to finish it

[@PaperWill]

Seconded. The idea of mixing the yandere trope girl with a horror game is such a good one that I’m surprised no one did this before.

[@spicywatermelon8617]

I agree! I hope it can reach it's true potential one day. If it does, I have no doubt it will be a beloved game.

[@dargenflame2500]

@@PaperWill plus as Habipain said once, his game have no any connection with YandereDev or his creation (SnS very good game especially AI. Told you as one who follow the game after 1.1 version). And if we talking about SnS, I wonder why you didn’t include fan copy Yandere no Sutoka. This is where typical Yandere Simulator habits (if I can say so, sry my English not very good). Same moves, same voices, same kills, same location and design. And I hope Habipain will never get anything from this person (YandereDev), cause of his reputation and exp from people which worked with him.

[@kpeguyebbers850]

@@PaperWill *Monika-chan would like to know your location* J U S T M O N I K A

[@NondescriptMammal]

I suspect the curse is: Software development is harder than most people realize, especially taking a game of this scope to completion.

[@punusername3445]

When he said "Falling Narhwals changed his alias to Dr Apeis" i got a giant whiplash, easily the biggest plot twist here

[@lauraj349]

Honestly making a yansim clone a 3d game is cursed , im sure if they downgraded to a 2D Visual Novel style it could be easier to manage.

[@ShionKenobi]

There are many of those, actually, in RPGMaker format.

[@Pooky1991]

Yeah there's a ton of them already in existance in both regular visual novel form and rpg maker. The closest actual good 3d yandere game I've seen is Saiko No Sutoko which focuses more on horror.

[@just_x_alex]

Hi! I'm the creator of Konagachi Highschool and thanks for putting the game in the video! The game it's still in development but during life problems such as school it's kinda slowing down. I'm aiming for something more interesting for the game so that it makes a difference between yandere simulator and my game so hopefully I can turn it in a real game soon! I'm happy that you included it in the video tho (I just realized that I remember that was the very early beta hahaha it was so messy 😂)

[@PaperWill]

CraftAlex himself! I actually spent a lot of time trying to track you down for an interview haha. If you’d like me to link a more updated/recent build to the Addendum doc, let me know!

[@just_x_alex]

@@PaperWill Sure I will! Thanks!

[@FBI-xf8tm]

After a few months of debating this, I think i've finally figured this curse out. Yandere simulator has an amazing concept, if thought about! A young girl lives almost her entire life getting bullied by her classmates, alongside frequent doctors visits for her extreme lack of emotion, meets a boy on her first day of school and instantly falls into an obsession. She obsesses over him to no end and brutally kills anyone she deems a threat to him and her over the course of 10 weeks, even fighting off some of the most prestigious people in Japan. It's basic, but not boring basic! It's the right amount of complexity & simplicity. Now, yandere dev knows his games 'yandere' concept is good. Although, the game itself is horrible.. absolutely terrible. It runs awfully, is boring and feels like a chore, suffers from same face syndrome, is repetitive and overall buggy. Thus, when he hears another yandere game being developed, he sprints to shut it down because he knows that the yandere concept is the only thing keeping people playing his game. If his players see basically the same game just with 10x better gameplay he knows they'd drop yandere simulator immediately for that game and only occasionally return purely for nostalgia. Basically, he clings onto the yandere game aspect as it's the only thing keeping people from ditching yandere simulator. Thank you for reading this, I appreciate this a lot! Have a good day/night and don't forget to take care of yourself! 💗

[@-Siknakaliux-II]

Funny coming from an account with 'FBI' in its name Anyway, nice writeup

[@MarimbaBurd]

yeah that happened now lol now with all the drama and the game being dead, everyone's moved on to Yamane's Love Life, a more finished and polished game! :)

[@Yardsendi]

Hey. It’s the one and only Yardsendi. A friend sent me this video. Thanks for including my game in the list, I didn’t expect it to get noticed by KZbinrs! Let me explain what happened to it. It’s dead. Forever. The fifth progress report is fake, a joke I made for me and my friends. This was a great journey. However, it’s time to move on. Yandere Sim is in the past for me, therefore no desire to develop fan games. ABOUT BULLIED LOVE AND STOLEN LOVE: I know Naoki in real life. I’ll send him this video. He might answer this question himself. You’ve got a beautiful voice, Will!

[@PaperWill]

Thanks Yard! Keep me updated.

[@Yardsendi]

@@PaperWill Naoki told me Stolen Love is the continuation of the Bullied Love

[@CoyotesArchive02]

As an ex yandere simulator fan, it's a weird experience to witness of these fan games suffered the same fate as the others. I used to follow some of these games like Hiwata, Watashi, Love Letter and so on back in 2017. And yes, when I joined the community, I knew it's gonna be toxic and full of drama happens on 24/7. I'm glad I left the community along with Yandere Simulator one on early 2020 and switch my hobby to become an artist instead. (Yes, I'm also an ex modder)

[@alvinittowo]

i joined the LoveLetter fandom the moment it came out and honestly, it was wild to watch the drama unfold. every 5 mins it felt like some drama was cleared up only for more drama to come out. it was fun to be in the community tho, a lot of jokes and ideas came from simple concepts about the characters but its sad the game had to come to an end in that way

[@Ashleycolorful]

i'm back from 2 years later, yandere simulator is CANCELLED due to yandere-dev being the disgusting person he is and gr00m1n9 a 16 year old (ayano's voice actor) which led to all the other voice actors also leaving and with that, yandere simulator getting officially cancelled. almost all of the people in the yan-sim community have also left the community for the actions of yandere-dev and almost everyone in the fandom/community has left. however, i feel like one of the reasons why most of the yan-sim fandom leaving isn't due to yandere-devs actions but for the game being cancelled. that is because yandere-dev wasn't such a saint before either, he had done MULTIPLE bad things and only a small range had left the fandom. we never got to see the game getting complete and getting all 12 rivals on the spot. although it has been a fun ride, the only one we can blame at the moment is yandere-dev for taking the main part in his actions, so, with that said, goodbye yan-sim. goodbye forever.

[@arcadenoah993]

Not yet, Alex made a horrible 'apologize video' and still didn't drop the project

[@oldcat1790]

@@arcadenoah993 prolly because he has no other means to make money

[@DefyReality-ll2cg]

The 16 year old girl was not Ayano's voice actor.

[@TheMedicatedArtist]

The State of Limerence sounds like a cool concept, especially with the love interest being a bully instead of a blank slate or the second coming of Jesus.

[@wisemage0]

I'm gonna make my own Yandere simulator: with blackjack, and hookers, and forget the blackjack! ... Ah, screw the whole thing.

[@PaperWill]

It’s more like “with blackjack! And poker! And roulette! And go fish! And Yugioh! And Business cards! And-“

[@liviwaslost]

@@PaperWill and cards against humanity.

[@Victoria-cg5np]

“LoveLetter” could’ve been such a great game if there’s wasn’t weirdos

[@umopapisdn.]

i agree it had a lot of potential

[@htsunmiku]

It seems like any yandere sim related project is doomed to failure 😅 Only thing I could see working out is if someone had to make a game in 24 hrs for game jam or something

[@mousepotatodoesstuff]

But aren't "weirdos" the exact kind of people who would want to make this kind of game?

[@sofaericsson6392]

@@mousepotatodoesstuff exactly.

[@vvsvlogsYT]

Alright, I’ve fallen in love with your videos. Your voice is one of the calmest I’ve heard in the commentary / video essay community, and provides a serene atmosphere, even though you talk about darker topics. Thank you for doing what you do, I’m sure I’m not the only person who appreciates it.

[@buttercupkat]

@@PaperWill I adore creators like this--not blindly shutting out reality to be positive but not being a jerk about how cruel the world can be. You help me feel informed about darker topics without feeling like you're lessening the impact with (in my opinion) unempathetic jokes and still having me feel hope in the world. I really, really appreciate stuff like this. So rarely do I find creators who feel on the same wavelength as me. I won't act like we're best pals (that'd be creepy of me to act like we know each other) but in a parasocial way I feel a connection, yknow? Apologies if any of this came off as odd!

[@jessii007]

The fan community of Sarah's School Life was really toxic. Fans were constantly asking for the link of the game, which the creator didn't want to give out since she wanted to finish the game first. This made her say hurtful things to fans and it actually was really hard for her to finish the game with her comment section only being about the link.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

This might have been the fault of developers giving players links to developing games. Ex Yan Sim of course, Hello Neighbor...

[@Violent_Wolfen]

That link wasn't the only issue.

[@jessii007]

@@Violent_Wolfen what other issues were there?

[@Violent_Wolfen]

@@jessii007 People who hated Yandere Dev kept comparing Sara's School Life to Yandere Simulator and would bash the guy even in the comment section. Didn't matter if the developer said not to do that and was making the game because she was a fan. The game was supposed to be a parody (it was pretty funny to be honest) but people made it bigger than it was.

[@dimitriharvey966]

@@Violent_Wolfen it was mostly funny when the rival got kicked in the face 😂 but yeah it's really the fans fault the game was cancelled

[@ZILtoid1991]

I was an eye witness of Love Letter falling apart, and the whole thing started to implode the day I was thinking on joining as a programmer, since I had experience with debugging from developing my own game engine. The experience was a good learning point, maybe I should shake up that IT coop before it completely falls apart. I do actually have came up with an idea for a yandere game, it would be a visual novel, but I don't have neither the time or energy to start such demanding project, especially as my audiovisual talents only good to put together some test assets and games for my engine. Not to mention that I've only finished like a single visual novel, and never finished three others.

[@jettlucashayes8508]

I'd suggest using the escapist as a base for a yonder simulator style game.

[@isab.7856]

I'm over a year late to this, but oh my god, that secondary Project Lovestruck you talked about with the neat concept art, was actually something I made all the way back in middle school (definitely way too young to be invested in a game like yansim) and just to clarify, it had been something unrelated to the Project Lovestruck, merely a concept for an AU of sorts rather than a full game project. I never thought I'd ever hear about it again after so many years! That's so wild! Also awesome video, I never knew just the wide scope of how many fangames there have been out there and it's so awesome learning the history of them even with how messy so many of them ended. Totally wish I had found this way sooner than I had

[@Haru-qh2qz]

After everything is said and done, it's incredible that some strangers in 4chan got together and made and insanely good visual novel in the form of katawa shoujo

[@xadalau9758]

Katawa Shoujo is awesome. It's funny how 4chan of all places would create such a nice and surprisingly inclusive (well, it's about girls with disabilities) game.

[@fbidumbbee]

you know the situation is bad when *4chan* is the least problematic one in the room lmfao

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@xadalau9758 Ain't one of the main characters literally a incel?

[@thereseemstobeenanerror1219]

​@@ChangedMyNameFinally69 It's not a main character, it's a side character, and it's clear you're not supposed to agree with what hes saying.

[@ChangedMyNameFinally69]

@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 Isn't he like, the only other male character? And it's hard to believe that anymore considering 4chan turned into the Neo-Nazi hub of the entire Internet, the bigoted sentiment was always common on there.

[@ProjectRY]

Thank you for your kind words on Project RY, I'm happy to say as of 2022 the project is finally breaking the silent development and is going public with tons of new info and changes! Your video was well thought out and extremely entertaining and I can't wait to see what you come out with next!

[@ding0dkikl_]

the game really seems promising, hope it gets finished soon, would enjoy playing it and making fanart 🙏

[@bigboncho]

The curse is that this concept will never ever ever work if it’s primarily developed by a non-Japanese team. You can attempt to parody anime and manga tropes all you want, but it’s a lot harder to parody something when you don’t have the cultural background to do so. It just opens the doors for a lot of volunteers approaching the game with absolute sincerity. And when your game largely revolves around obsession, mental illness, suicide, murder, sexual assault, and high school teenagers, you’re just setting yourself up for drama and weirdos. The entire yandere trope is already rife with problems. I don’t think people realize how delicate and precise they’d have to be in order to pull off a game like this and avoid controversy without sacrificing fun.

[@RockBand971]

I don't think it's the delicate subject that make these projects fail. To an extent, you could argue that other indie games touch the same subjects but remain royal to it. The problem lies in the idea being too wide. A game where you can kill rivals in a school without getting caught in multiple ways is already a very tall order. Add that they want to do it in 3D and have a story with voice acting, and it becomes impossible.

[@growingoaks]

Woah, sexual assault? Suicide? Are Yandere games usually containing these things? That's fucked up. I can def see where all those things (especially including high school teenagers) would draw in the creeps and weirdos.

[@Saltedroastedcaramel]

@@growingoaks Yansim was going to have a suicide method and the Yakuza for Ayano to get students kidnapped in the game.

[@strayiggytv]

This is my take as well. The yandere trope is inheritantly problematic. A game about a highschool age girl murdering her romantic rivals with included panty shots in the original is bound to attract a certain crowd and to pretend otherwise is pretty naive. I mean look at the gross fetishization of irl child murderer Nevada tan. Or the creepy celebrity status of irl 'yandere' murderers. A Japanese team would definitely be better at navigating the pitfalls of a trope they created. Add to it the reputation for low effort ' insert animal or interest simulator' games and it's a recipe for disaster.

[@azul1457]

To add onto that, many view the yandere trope as a harmful stereotype of people with borderline personality disorder and therefore heavily dislike the trope

[@vocaloidparadox]

hi! i've been a very active part of the community for quite a long while, especially having an interest in the clone/fangame side as i am a game developer and... well, i think you can imagine how weird things can get hearing things like the claims of making a fully fledged yansim game in 2 weeks. before getting into things, nice work with the video! it goes over a lot of information, this and potatobrick's video on yansim fangames are the only two videos i'd recommend for people out of the loop with yansim clones who want information. it's quite detailed and you did a great job! a bit of notes: - there was another yansim game apeis tried to make, back in the magimoon era, being "osana simulator" but it never was finished or even that large in how much work it had done. there was a premise of a... very distasteful plot twist where it's just "ayano is trans." very little was known about it, but there was quite a bit there which was not great - heartbreak collapsed cuz apeis didn't just fail to manage the team, but also ditched the project without telling anybody. it was weird, people were basically left in the dark one day before some were able to get info out of apeis about what was going on - apeis ironically suicide baited some others during love letter's development, even after yanderedev's message to them - this is the thing i think most people do not realize. love letter is not actually a fangame, despite its claims, which is why it never had even the source code released. it is, at its heart, a heavily modded version of yandere simulator. only one person has ever leaked any footage of the actual gameplay who was a playtester, and they never leaked the build, but it did give a look at the game and... surprise surprise, after one scene happened that faded out, it faded back into ayano's room with yansim ui despite still being love letter. personal opinion here, i firmly believe that even if there were no drama or disgusting awful actions that apeis did with the magimoon stuff, the game would still fail due to fundamentally being just reskinned yansim. not a fangame, not a clone, but just yansim passed off as original. you can see it around 1:30 into this video cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/735814658597978122/763475619777478666/Untitled7.mp4 - we do know why emd helped apeis on love letter, the reason is just that they were (at the time) friends - yanderedev asking emd to come clean that the game is somewhat fabricated was actually fairly accurate in what wnm is. wnm went open source with cancellation and it is incredibly shallow and flawed as an actual game, and emd admitted that some things were made specifically so it can look good with a video, hence the "show the game is fake" - not a correction or anything but red's project ry is now a bit more distanced from yansim (although the name stems from "red's yandere" for the ry part) with also now being focused mainly on social aspects. just an interesting note! - saiko is indeed unrelated. the only actual link is that one of yanderedev's volunteers in 2020 made to celebrate halloween a parody of it using yansim chars instead for it - saradev closed the game down because of a lot of toxic fans. to go into more details, the game had tons of people trying to play it as a replacement to yansim and calling it better and comparing them as the yansim killer when saradev has explicitly stated multiple times not to do so as saradev did this as a fun fangame and not a competitor. it was a mess, saradev could not handle the toxicity with the community and repeated questions and other issues and eventually shut it down as a result. - the one for me iirc had no person who was working on love letter, but instead being made to try and take the fame and stage after immediately love letter was cancelled. the developer behind that has moved onto other things since then. - dr. wolfies is a weird thing, and honestly surprised you caught that name! that was an odd case but yeah. chances are, wolfies was one of the developers and and this was a way to advertise a fangame without breaking r/osana's self advertisement rule. the developers of that game went to the osana discord server as well around the same time and had other self promotion that violated rules, it was a weird mess. somebody claiming to be dr. wolfies made a new account... unfortunately, only a little over a week ago, as u/DctrWolfies. that's as far as it ended. - must disagree about the point that most games collapse due to drama. some of the big ones had major holes as a result of it, especially love letter, but the majority are all from a lack of any of the skills needed to make a game. you mentioned some, but to reiterate, that lack of programming knowledge, absurdly high scope, making it out of spite, lack of team management, and just being "idea people" rather than devs is much larger in impact. you would be surprised by the sheer amount of people who go to places like r/osana to say "i am going to make a yansim game" and then when asked, have no experience with programming or anything even close to game development. there's way more game than the ones mentioned in this video (this did cover a lot of the main ones, though!) but those begin and end with much less popularity and before any drama can possibly emerge. - other than that, nice video! it's got clearly a lot of effort and work put into it and i like that you reached out to a decent chunk of people who worked on the projects that got cancelled. regardless, take care!

[@PaperWill]

Hi M, thanks for this comment. Let me go through some of these points 1. I had no idea Osana Simulator was an Apeis game. I actually thought it was a mod, so I dropped it. Oops. 2. I got a lot of conflicting info about Heartbreak's breakup from team members, which made it a bit tricky to dive into. All I know for sure is that things didn't go great. 3. I totally missed that post by EMD about joining because he and Apeis were friends. Oops #2. 4. Definitely possible about the Dr. Wolfies thing. We'll probably never know for sure. 5. You're 100% right that scope and lack of experience are huge factors in these games dying, but I think drama still tops the list when it comes to games that get past the 1 month mark. (Just my opinion though.) It's something to do with...atmosphere. The drama gives the game a bad image, the bad image makes people be overly critical of things that would otherwise have been forgiven, and it snowballs. However I do see your point on "Idea People" I appreciate your breakdown on this info, I knew I'd get a few things wrong haha.

[@vocaloidparadox]

@@PaperWill it happens! unrelated, but seriously keep up the great work! watched a few other videos on your channel, they're incredibly high quality and interesting to watch. definitely looking forwards to future videos!

[@zombilady8633]

The reason why all these projects are "cursed" is obvious: Young, sometimes teenaged volunteers. Since they aren't getting paid, there's no incentive to act professional, and we all know teenagers are just toddlers with almost full grown bodies. The hormonal cocktail their brains are swirling in makes them sort of insane, and who could blame them?

[@BarioIDL]

me

[@Itz_Gumball]

Your mother

[@Itz_Gumball]

​​@@BarioIDLyour mother*

[@BarioIDL]

@@Itz_Gumball is that supposed to be an insult? my btch translator can't tell

[@EuropeanQoheleth]

Teenagers are hardly toddlers in any way. We don't ''know'' this.

[@syropalia]

it's kinda amazing how so many of the developers of these fan games happened to see this video! subbing now

[@PaperWill]

I've also gotten a lot of DMs from Devs that I had tried to track down but wasn't able to. Most are pretty positive, some are a little unhappy, but overall it just goes to show how quickly info travels around this connected community.

[@bewareoffrog]

seeing limerence mentioned made my stomach drop to be honest! i was in the dev discord for it when i was a teenager, didn’t really do anything though. i wound up being excommunicated/trash talked after venting to someone i thought was a friend about how harsh the environment was. watching people, especially people i considered friends, get kicked and then viciously shit talked was awful. it’s not surprising to hear the team ate itself alive.

[@seekerstheshy3842]

As someone who was somewhat involved in the Love Letter discord server (I drew some emotes and was an active member but nothing beyond that) it can't be understated how much it exploded in popularity and how deeply it was rife with drama. Everything from the development team to the server moderators to even fan artists were not safe from being affected by drama. It's clear in hindsight that it was never going to work out but everyone was too blinded by trying to stick it to Yandev that the problems went ignored until the very end when it all imploded. In the end the community ended up no better then the people who we'd pointed at and mocked for trying to defend Yandev. People wanted a good game out of Apeis and were willing to ignore the clear signs it wasn't going to work out in favour of the hope they would get it. I could keep rambling on but I've long since moved past it all, felt like giving my two cents as someone who personally watched it all go down and got swept up in it. To anyone who's reading this I hope you have a good day!

[@PaperWill]

This is actually a super valuable perspective. There’s no way to get the full picture of things without insider experiences. Thanks for sharing.

[@slpyari]

I remember your emotes! It’s ari, one of the old admins :)

[@AndreJNick]

What??? An online group of people dedicated to making a game where they get to kill school children ended up being super toxic? How did that happen?

[@walterwhitecookingchannel8912]

why couldn't they just be like danganronpa fans where they just made goofy tiktoks 🙏

[@randompromises1038]

​@@walterwhitecookingchannel8912as an ex-DR fan we really aren't that much better 💀

[@monacauwu6993]

​@@randompromises1038Depends lol, as a current Danganronpa fan, I just keep to my bubble and as long as you do that, it is way better. Most of our major stuff happened when there was a popularity boom, it seems to me at least that we have definitely chilled out in some places, in others......uh yea-

[@randompromises1038]

@@monacauwu6993 tbh almost every DR artist I was into has disappeared or got into a new show/game and I'm kinda only in it still bc hyperfixations for me is so fickle and they choose me, I don't choose them lmao I'm just a fic writer who writes on my own time atp

[@monacauwu6993]

@@randompromises1038 ironically we are very samiliar in all those regards although, my hyper fixation is still quite......powerful

[@flakops5194]

i knew the creators of limerence, and they were some of the worst people I’ve had the misfortune of knowing. they were so obsessed with petty drama, they cared more about looking good than actually doing good

[@IsaacIsaacIsaacson]

I can't believe that a game developed by either Tumblr or Kiwifarms would end due to interpersonal drama.

[@madichelp0]

Why call it a "curse"? Endless drama is the expected outcome when a group that fetishizes teenage murder have to work together.

[@ShionKenobi]

Also, most of the community (and, by default, many volunters and even some of the dev themselves) are literal teens themselves...very young people are fickle, and not the best at long term project planning.

[@BknMoonStudios]

@@ShionKenobi Teenagers (and young adults) struggle to finish school group projects all the time. Now imagine that, but extend the time period to several years, with money and reputation on the line, and no authority to bail you out if your team members harass you. These projects were doomed from the start. You need responsible adults to keep things from falling apart.

[@Lunamine]

Didn’t dare to bring that up but I feel like this is exactly what the main issue is.

[@Mayhzon]

As a person who enjoys the true darkness, seeing these weasles all rip themselves to shreds is incredibly hilarious. Keep it coming!

[@GlitchyPixExtra]

Probably for the same reason the sweater curse is called a curse