Evolution of Grand Valley Speedway in Gran Turismo (1997 - 2023 / GT1 - GT7)

[@Paragleiber]

Direct Comparison between old and new version (side by side view): kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqWconuvZ7p9o80

[@realityboost4405]

Thank you for this…Having raced and driven from GT1 to now, the new Grand Valley is (for me) objectively awful…Whether as a TT track for cars, Arcade Mode or Sport Mode…It's just terrible…And I take NO pleasure in saying that. In bringing it back, PD have ruined GVS as a both a driving and racing experience. 🙄🤮… I won't be going anywhere near it, in my GT7 playing.

[@ThePaineTrain]

Man, after all these years GT3 still looks incredible.

[@Godric_71]

Yeah it does. I was thinking the exact same thing.

[@SuperiorNo1]

Gran Turismo 3 is The Master 😈

[@nixxxon18]

Well pretty sure that's on an emulator and using a higher resloution than the standard resolution on the PS2.

[@Sim-2-Reality]

it does look great! seriously, spent sooo much time on this title and is where i first learned to drive

[@elimoto8157]

Yeah, I mean if you just squint your eyes a lil' bit, kinda looks indistinguishable from its succesors.

[@Francoberry]

I must admit I'm pretty sad it became a 'highway'. By itself the setting is nice, but it feels like we've 'lost' the original track

[@TheJakeMG]

It's not Grand Valley Speedway though. It's Highway. It's a separate track - a different thing entirely. Meanwhile Trial Mountain and Deep Forest were overwrites of the originals.

[@Paragleiber]

@@TheJakeMG Personally I would say that this is an overwrite too. I don't think they will ever add back the old version now, since the new one has almost the exact same layout and I can't see them adding two different "skins" for the same track in one game. I am pretty sure this track is meant to replace the old one.

[@thomas_coast]

I've seen some screenshot of Grand Valley Speedway inscription over parts of the track, maybe the old track will be released in a future update

[@Paragleiber]

@@thomas_coast That's extremely unlikely. This track is clearly meant to replace the old one, since it has the same layout.

[@h.t.8710]

@@thomas_coast Yeah, I noticed that too. The banners around the track said "Grand Valley Speedway" in the video trailer for the update but have obviously since been replaced.

[@SVPSkins]

R.I.P Grand Valley Speedway

[@mattwoodford1820]

This is more Grand Coast than Grand Valley. Cos of a break, it took me a while to link the 2 tracks together. Was like it was a new track and yet the corners were all pretty familiar

[@jimrustler]

i came to say that

[@Malick-ix9io]

EX-Speedway.

[@crystiancoppetti]

I remembered Joe Pesci saying what the fuck this piece of shit !?

[@wordsshackles441]

Note that the GT5 and GT6 editions of this track were ported straight from the GT4 version of the game. This was also true of Deep forest and Trial mountain tracks. So the new version found in GT7 is the first time the track has been worked on since GT4 !

[@STRIDER_503]

Which means the team is extremely lazy, would you look at how many car shells they resued in GT5 & 6? Even worse asset flip than Forza series, it's baffling.

[@fuzzywumble]

@@STRIDER_503 is GT6 even a different game from GT5? lol

[@johnmartinez7440]

​@@STRIDER_503 Felt like there was a huge jump between 2 and 3, and then nothing as much until it radically changed with 7. Still, pure nostalgia.

[@frylucas]

That's not exactly true, because the files for the PS2 versions of Grand Valley still exist within GT5 and can be accessed with mods. The GT5/GT6 version was entirely a new track (as are all the tracks you can access without cheat devices/hacks), but it kept what made the original good, something the joke we got in GT7 which clearly went out of it's way to ruin something that wasn't broken.

[@TurboAlice]

GT4's version was perfect tbh, it almost felt like a real track.

[@MattJ155]

RIP big blue bridge.

[@CasepbX]

I forgot just how big of a jump GT2 to GT3 was... crazy we never had anything like that again.

[@pappachook]

Or ever will 😢

[@richarddavidmoxley]

I was disappointed with Gran turismo 3 not as much Depth as Gran turismo 2 but got better with the forth one

[@roenick371]

it is PS1 to PS2 jump

[@nasserwhite6637]

Do you think gran turismo 8 will be Gran turismo Dreams Where there are 30 cars on the track and UI LIKE GT4 The presence of signs such as koenigsegg and new cars like Lamborghini centenario and Lamborghini Revuelto: and Bugatti chiron super sport and Bugatti divo

[@nasserwhite6637]

Do you think gran turismo 8 will be Gran turismo Dreams Where there are 30 cars on the track and UI LIKE GT4 The presence of signs such as koenigsegg and new cars like Lamborghini centenario and Lamborghini Revuelto: and Bugatti chiron super sport and Bugatti divo

[@OfficerFredPowell]

It may not be the original track, but I gotta admit the track redesign looks visually stunning. I can't wait to see what they'll be doing with midfield raceway next.

[@lb003g0676]

I like this angle on it, as there's enough dull real life looking race tracks. Appreciate the spectacle and photo opportunities here. I'd like more road based tracks tbh for visual variety.

[@OfficerFredPowell]

@@lb003g0676 same here... I wish they would add new york circuit back as well since it was last included in Gran Turismo 5.

[@ToABrighterFuture]

I don't know about anyone else, but for me, GT7 has too many samey-same variations on the theme of "ribbon of tarmac in the middle of an ocean of grass." I miss the likes of Hong Kong, New York, Madrid, Seoul, London, Rome, Tokyo R246, Seattle, Paris, and Monaco. Part of what used to pass for fun in this washed-up series, was wondering in which world city we'd get to race next. Nowadays, we're reduced to marvelling at the detailed models of the cows in the pastures. This series stopped being fun for me, with the VW bus crawl in GT5. I haven't played it since. And GT7 pretty much cemented my opinion that this series has forever gone to the dark side, with its aggressive Day One monetization that, conveniently, didn't go live until all the glowing reviews had already been published. Enough. I'm done.

[@truckercowboyed2638]

@@ToABrighterFuture cry more .see you next week complaining

[@mosquitolemon]

I would love to see the old tracks from gran turismo 2 - 4 back along with some more cars of the past like the FTO

[@spikeybrummy]

Watching the GT3 version of Grand Valley gave me 'the feels'... 🥰

[@israelgonzalezabrego3551]

For me the best Gran Turismo, hope GT8 that is on developed right now and will be exclusive for PS5, can bring me that "feel" that I got when PS2 arrive to my home

[@ev92]

Yep gt3 is the only one I go back and play every so often apart from the latest gt.everything was perfect,visuals,art and sound of cars even.used to love racing the fto lm edition race car at the dream car championship playing grand valley at dusk..Good times

[@ablaze666]

Yeah, same here!

[@welcometobluetown]

even tho it's 2001 has such a 90s vibe

[@judgedrew2076]

GT3 had the best graphics and sound

[@LotusEnduroGT]

I can honestly see this track catching on well after the update hype dies down. The fact that it's based in Highway One now means it would be very popular in freeroam or cop/traffic roleplay lobbies.

[@Rage_Spammer]

There's a couple parking spaces on the side of the track after the chicane at the end. Had an improvised car meet in a free run lobby. There's a couple other spots where you can up and chill.

[@MeganeMondeoMX5]

Just what we wanted from a Motorsport Racing Simulator. Traffic roleplay

[@LP-770]

@@MeganeMondeoMX5 Yes. Not everyone is a hardcore racer my guy

[@ZephyrusBlue]

Yeah, but hopefully we could somehow, some way eventually get a GT version of Horizon; some sort of open world space to just chill/race wherever. It’s an insane long shot but it would be ideal. There’s such a dedicated fanbase to so many aspects of the game that it would just be awesome to have.

[@reecerox2]

@@LP-770 kinda cringe tbh

[@baykazdal]

Its just amazing how much potential the PS2 had, even by todays standard GT3-4 look pretty neat

[@bliglum]

Only because they were run on emulators with massively scaled up resolution. On actual PS2 hardware, this is more what it looked like kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIHXg5efpbB1aas

[@mrvwbug4423]

@@bliglum Less the resolution and more having actual anti-aliasing. PS2 didn't have anti-aliasing but did support 1080p

[@Hummtaro]

@@mrvwbug4423 But even the PS2 could technically output 1080p, the rendering framebuffer was just 512x512 so any higher output resolution than 480p would barely bring any difference

[@Hummtaro]

​@@bliglumBut resolution is not everything! The fact that it still looks good at higher resolutions also means that models and textures were way better than they needed back then. There are a few PS2 games that look amazing at higher resolutions, while in most games the higher resolution shows how low-poly the models and how blurry the textures were..

[@fidanza8109]

As much a I loved the grand valley speedway on older gt, can't deny that this one looks visually stunning, love how they took alot of the sceneries from the Big Sur area!

[@Omahamaho]

that first corner taught me racing would always fly off as a kid and get frustrated but eventually learned braking

[@bigbosssnakecorn8834]

This was prob the only track map in GT that gave people an drift learning way

[@benniebullock3301]

Grand Valley was perfect the way it was, period

[@leonwilkovic9304]

Its Like the old One was red and this One is blue but still the same

[@pablofernandez2335]

Can't agree more

[@nixxxon18]

yep, they destroyed it

[@emeraldarts]

i agree- not saying the highway doesnt have a nice lil tone to it, but it feels empty

[@richardingram2374]

Look how they butchered my boy. No blue bridge, no views out of the tunnel etc… just call it something different man.

[@zippoboy00]

That's why its Grand Valley HIGHWAY. Its the OG all us old dudes remember, just new again.

[@richardingram2374]

@@zippoboy00 I get ya. I’m just too old now, I want a warm nostalgia blanket these days and while the track itself is the same it’s just not right for me. Getting rid of the forest/sunlight god ray straight section in Trial Mountain was strike one. Deep Forest getting screwed was strike 2. Im old aren’t I?

[@KhairyanNP]

Highway 1 idk there will be 2 or speedway 1

[@ryeb]

@@richardingram2374 glad i'm not the only one who was really bummed about the removal of the god rays and trees overhanging that last stretch.

[@strebrr]

​@@richardingram2374 playing GT since 1998, I feel you man.

[@TheMau5meister]

Its amazing how well GT4 has held up over time. The graphics still look good today!

[@Beam_Teamer]

GT4 is the best looking out of all of them, very balanced

[@TheWITE-FOX]

@@Beam_Teamer …what…

[@mrvwbug4423]

Yup, everything except car sounds, GT4 was the worst in the series for that. Tourist Trophy, which was on the GT4 engine had slightly better sounds on the bikes, but most were still unrealistic.

[@strebrr]

It's unbelievable how fun GT1 and GT2 still look (because they are). It's unbelievable how good GT3 still looks. It's unbelievable they changed our precious Grand Valley Speedway to this soulless Highway 1 in GT7 😔

[@divecolosio4988]

Like how could Kazunori-san approved these many changes?

[@KingJohnMichael]

Touch some grass

[@TheAradar]

Soulless? I love this new track. I liked the old one too, but I don't mind changes to a made up track as they did with GT7. Who knows, maybe they give you what you want in GT8 with a true to original and that's fine too. But to call it soulless i BS, it's awesome to drive over those huge bridges in VR :)

[@RonaldMcVale]

I can't believe the racing game community is being dramatic.

[@MihzvolWuriar]

Man, I really loved the new Grand Valley, specially the last sector, not only it looks good, it's new turns are not only challenging, but fun.

[@valferdinandmonissabiano8641]

GT7 should be named "Grand Coastline Highway-1" since it's not in a valley anymore. But the redesigned is amazing overall.

[@enterthekyuubi]

The fact that GT1 Grand Valley looks more alive than GT7 Grand Valley is astonishing. Should've just kept it a Speedway.

[@RonaldMcVale]

Ayo man chill chill!!!

[@nascardemo4243]

Agreed!

[@aidanpysher2764]

That transmission noise has to be one of the most nostalgic sounds of my childhood.

[@ernestbyjos6169]

Honestly I like the latest track. It's different but cornering is far more interesting then in the old ones. Same goes for deep forest raceway.

[@rosaria8384]

True, everything in the new Grand Valley is correct in terms of roads - untouched layouts, unlike Trial and Deep Forest

[@strebrr]

Deep Forest is more interesting? Lol, they destroyed one of the best corner combinations in GT with a straight and a hairpin 🤣

[@ernestbyjos6169]

@@strebrr I prefer the hard corner at the end of the circuit instead of high speed corner. Everyone had different tastes. That doesn't make me wrong. Cheers

[@thomas4107]

To me they perfected deep forest in GT7 it looks very realistic

[@zontai]

Its a huge mixed feeling. I just loved the concept of Highway, but at the same time the speedway was nostalgic and hella good.

[@stevenberry90]

GT7... When you ask NFS track designers to do Grand valley

[@NoLimitSquad]

I always loved that whoosh sound switching gears in gran turismo 2

[@tm5123]

Gt2 turbocharger sound was epic, brings back memories.

[@Call_Me_The_Storyteller]

_"Ah yes, so this track has remained unchanged throughout the entire se- wait, what the hell?! What happened?!😦"_

[@lorenzograziosi8270]

1:39 that sound.. my favorite from GT2. Anyway, the track changed quite a lot through GT4-5-6, then it's even totally a different circuit in GT7

[@Tony86-c1s]

Actually if you listen a lot of cars have that exhaust note including Castrol Supra from the first Gran Turismo Didn't realize it until I heard it again 😮

[@seanno9744]

I’ve seen a few of these comparison videos, and the leap from GT2 to GT3 always blows my mind. Those games are two years apart

[@Z4N7]

They are on a different fucking platform.

[@gearhead2519]

I personally adore the new setting for Grand Valley. It's wonderful! And it helps now that we can even create our own versions of the Grand Valley 300, too! Be it for GT300s, GT500s, Prototype Hypercars, or even F1 racers!

[@B4P787]

I think thats its nice that pd came up with a whole new track, puts more perspective to the game and it looks great very nice hope to see more new tracks in future

[@Aidan_-_]

The fact this is now a highway breaks my heart.

[@ejune98]

This track is quite fun to drive around. I think this is one of the best original tracks in the series

[@vpin]

The audio still sounds great to me in GT2.

[@funkycoldm3dina]

The way the map is displayed at the bottom right is absolutely a genius move on PDs part.

[@Kuson2]

It's a bummer to see that the original is gone, but at least they made a super fun looking remake that still loosely resembles the old layout.

[@benkamelmayssem5780]

Gran Turismo 2 is my favorite video game, I remember when my father bought it for me from France.

[@urbanizeddreams]

GT7 version should of been named "Bland Coast Valley"

[@RonaldMcVale]

You should be named "urbanizeddrama" because you're making all that drama from nothing.

[@Seanollancrager]

Guess we’re not gonna talk about how smooth the driving in the last one is

[@zippoboy00]

Now can we just have untouched, not new, but direct from GT1 Autumn Ring please?

[@strebrr]

And Red Rock Valley 😭

[@gamtax]

​@@strebrr NASCAR should have one track like Red Rock IRL.

[@blokin5039]

You like to TROLL don't you 😠

[@DarkSiege2]

Wow, GT3 is gorgeous upscaled

[@judgedrew2076]

If you think about it. Nothing has changed in terms of graphics since gran turismo 3 and we are in the year 2023 now

[@zippoboy00]

Hmm. Interesting how PD completely changed the track without changing the track, if that makes sense. The flow is all still the same, lines are the same. Literally just a scenery change. As a "purist" who still thinks 4 is the pinnacle of the series (and admittedly have not played 6, Sport, or even 7), I honestly think this is a nice NEW take on an old classic. Least the little changes they made to the layout weren't as disruptive as DFR and TM......but lets be real, the TM chicane has needed a nerf since 1998.

[@nathanmiller3682]

Gt7 is so much better in every aspect dont fight it just enjoy it

[@johnm3907]

But it not the same. The last corner before the straight for instance. I dont think you are as much as a purist as u think. But 100% spot on about gt4.

[@truckercowboyed2638]

@@johnm3907 it's not meant to be the same, it's a new rendition...look at any track in real life all of them have changed configurations or added something to the original look ..

[@rosaria8384]

Personally, I don't really mind how the scenery is massively different from the original, but at least they kept the original layout and elevations which is still important. But then again, purists are so pissed right now, that's for sure.

[@johnm3907]

They didnt keep the layout though. There a few parts that are different and not in a good way

[@ryeb]

well, there were lots of small changes to the course between each version, it's just that the scenery of the new track, while beautiful, is so, so far from the old designs i can understand people looking forward feeling disappointed. i think long-time players are also just wanting for more classic tracks.

[@SZRTIce]

The elevation changes are actually completely different.

[@aluisious]

Anyone who is pissed about getting an awesome new track in GT7 is an idiot.

[@DTfan43]

@@johnm3907 It's the same layout rotated 90 degrees. Look at the side by side comparison and that becomes even more apparent.

[@dreyone6156]

I gotta admit, the graphics and physics have really improved dramatically since the original game. I just wish all these improvements didn't come at the cost of hurting gameplay, making the game less accessible for quick multiplayer sessions, forcing one of the split screen players to always use automatic, forcing people to go through 20 minutes of menus and cut scenes just to click multiplayer etc. I haven't bought a new console since the Xbox 360 (and I played that for a grand total of maybe 2 weeks before I put it in storage like 13 years ago, never to be touched again) and the most modern console I played regularly was the PS2. GT4 is still the pinnacle of the series to me. Where it lacks in physics, graphics and sound design it makes up for it with amazing gameplay. I don't know why Sony had to add so many unwanted "features" like the 20 minute long menus and the lack of manual for one of the split screen players.

[@maarcoossilvaa2226]

the older layout was so nostalgic and see this track close to the ocean and being a highway makes it kinda sad

[@pablofernandez2335]

6 games keeping the original environment and suddenly this

[@RonaldMcVale]

​@@pablofernandez2335 your ungratefulness makes you look like a joke

[@RonaldMcVale]

You're being sad.

[@mahmoodyousif5204]

GranTurismo 3 had almost the best version of each original track ,, GT7 it’s more like a pikes peak than Grand Valley, 😢

[@mrvwbug4423]

GT4 versions of the tracks were a little better and GT4 also added a BUNCH of RL tracks (Nurburgring, Sarthe, Sazuka, Motegi and Tsukuba)

[@30fpsguy]

The first time i saw GT3 in my highschool days, i was blown away with the graphics and framerate ( i wasnt aware of this term back then but i can see the gameplay was way more smoother than GT2) And i'm really envious with my classmates who has PS2 back then because i really want to play GT3 and experience the fun.

[@mrdorifto]

That new track is so good it's kind of like a touge

[@berengervince5011]

You're damn right, it's a japanese company and don't have any touge track, don't collab with Best Motoring or Hot Version. It's sad.

[@o2mamimenma]

I like how you trying fastest lap great video!

[@yayyo3226]

I like what they've done in GT7, it's a nice spin on an old classic imo

[@bigbosssnakecorn8834]

Sounds like they change location and build an replica of the original

[@Sebastian0440]

How coincidental,I stumble upon this video just after I finish the Grand Valley 300KM in Gran Turismo 3,on real hardware

[@Sim-2-Reality]

GT3 at Grand Valley! One of my all time favorite tracks & where I first learned to drive I spent so much of my childhood, just addictively churning out laps here sadly we can't drive it in real-life

[@abdulmuhaimin5274]

11:08 Whoa, that track is absolutely different than the previous game.

[@fxbehr]

I find it really fascinating that the lap times have stayed pretty much the same througouth the years.

[@IIGrayfoxII]

I wish they kept it as a proper racetrack and kept everything the same, they could've had grand Valley highway near it as well. They didn't screw up High Speed Ring. It a still has those banked corners, that S bend.

[@SalsichaKM]

1,2 and 3 the camera was amazing, showing the side of the car on curves. 4 to 7 the camera is stuck behind the cars, gives an unreal sensation on driving.

[@cossym]

Was psyched to hear GVS was coming to GT7. GVH1 is quite a letdown. I mean it's visually stunning. If they wanted to do a coastal route based on some real world location, yeh fine. Go do that. But don't mess with the layout of GVS (it's similar, but not the same). And the new environment doesn't give me any of the nostalgia from the original

[@DrBundy9]

Gt7 “look how they massacred my boy”

[@Sebastian0440]

Old Grand Valley Gang 👇

[@THAT2JZGTESUPRAXX]

Yeah, doesn't feel the same anymore. They need to add the original stands and buildings back!

[@getofftheline-motoring2266]

From 1:31 to 1:47 that's an evolution

[@boywiththebox11]

GT3 honestly holds up insanely well

[@QF_Dan72]

I miss the old Grand Valley, nothing can replace it. Not even the new one

[@emeraldarts]

the bridge, how and why they cut the bridge???

[@Z4N7]

​@@emeraldarts Is still bridge there,are you blind?

[@HotSneks]

My favorite part of this track is the bridge and tunnel

[@jonesthewheelman9726]

IMO, if they really wanted to use the "highway" backdrop, they should've just used it on a different track. GT1 to GT6 the theme of the track is the same. There were changes per iteration but it still conformed to the overall vibe of the Grand Valley Speedway from the beginning of time of the game. The "highway" theme is great, don't be mistaken. It looks excellent and the track flows and feels really well. It's just that in GT7's version of the track, it just isn't nostalgic. Happy to have a new track, but sad to lose an "original" one. They turned the Grand Valley Speedway into Grand Valley Highway.

[@PetrisonRocha]

I remember when I played GT1, whenever I raced on Grand Valley I'd always be thinking "man, this track is a masterpiece". No joke. What the hell did they do on GT7?!

[@80amnesia]

The new track on GT7 has a stunning location! Love it

[@blinkachu5275]

Gran Turismo 5 and 6 looking so visually similar that I legit thought it was just the same footage x_x

[@ArminDzanic]

Grand Valley turned into Uncanny Valley, but the new one doesn't look bad at all.

[@Powerslide15]

Every time I watch these videos, I wonder why we haven’t gotten a GT3 Remastered.

[@sonicmegapikachux]

Pfff, if that's a speedway. Then I am Michael Schumacher.

[@pablofernandez2335]

The original environment was cool, don't try to fix what it's not broken :(

[@kevinzenker4353]

You know what never changed over the years? Those vacuum cleaner sounds.

[@ssstbc]

Great vid, thanks - It was much better as a track rather than a highway I think...what happened to the engine noise in GT5? The thing that really gets me is, how come it only took 1:31 to do a lap on GT1 and now it's 1:45...has the Supra slowed down over the years :)

[@Paragleiber]

In GT1 and GT2 the car had an unrealistic amount of HP.

[@MichaelJoey]

Now I can make myself a custom race "Grand Valley 300 km".

[@emeraldarts]

HEY GT7, please make el capitan the most stunning track yet, that lush greenery with the road winding between the forestry, showcase that snowy mountain in the background along with a eye popping waterfall... the road should basically bring u up to a peak and a fast downhill through the said trees with branches and trees almost falling over on the roadway... make it lush, make it feel great- do not deforest this track..lol

[@traindawg21]

My heart will forever remain with the very 1st Grand Turismo.

[@wilmar0496]

It's like NFS hot pursuit

[@M0ttas]

turning grand valley into a street track around the big sur in california is cool asf, i kinda wish gt7 had more street tracks

[@JustNate365]

The iconic gt tyre screech gets me every time 😅

[@sotsubreivaj]

No long time after starting playing GT1 on my PSX I started using the bumper camera. I had the experience that in NFS2 racing felt faster that way and so it did in GT1 too, as wall as in every racing game I played. I never quit using the bumper camera, so it's the first time I saw 2, 3 and 4 (I played GT until 4) using the from behind camera and I cannot believe that even in PS3, racing still felt slower using that camera.

[@fafmotorsport]

That jump in graphic fidelity and general ‘art direction’ from PS1 era to PS2 is just the most massive of any release. Games’ graphics really did properly go up a generation back in those days.

[@KingJohnMichael]

There's a huge diefference to the last one too dude

[@sssp3066]

I always loved that blue bridge. So sad they removed it.

[@shyamvenugopalan4370]

The biggest generational leap was from GT2 to GT3. GT3ASpec was a true technical marvel on the PS2, and GT4 was more of the same but dialed up to 11.

[@Jephph13bREW]

My favorite part of grand valley was that downhill long right through the tunnel after the bridge. Why did they massacre my favorite corner by making it a tight uphill right?!

[@gamtax]

True. For me, it's kinda iconic because you need to have unique racing line to tackle the oncoming chicane. After watching many gameplays, some prefer hugging the corner, most prefer taking wide after the corner and go quick right before the chicane, and some prefer taking late apex both the corner and the first part of chicane.

[@jiripekny3905]

there was no jump in graphics from GT3 to GT6 thats is so crazy man that game was on another level back in the day

[@SirJKlav]

look how they massacred my boy ... this was my favourite GT track of all time

[@YIONON1]

Best track for drifting and watching drift replays, GT1-3.

[@MitraDaGalp]

They could at least give us the option to play in the old version.

[@Hehehehhehehehehehehehhe78]

I like the new track a lot. Reminds me of my time while I was in Malibu.

[@electricfan3243]

Isn’t the GT7 one just an alternative layout? I bet they will release the speedway version some time in the future, I mean the highway part sticks out very much from the name

[@Paragleiber]

No, the layout is the same as before. It's only the setting/environment that was changed. As you can see the sequence of corners is almost identical to that of the old track. This track replaces the old one. It would be super weird if they would also add back the old track now, since then there would be two tracks with the same layout.

[@electricfan3243]

@@Paragleiber Oh. Makes sense, I didn’t realise that until I saw the map. I didn’t pay attention because they flipped the map on the hud for some reason, just like Trial Mountain; and Seattle in GT4

[@yurithomazelli8188]

They constructed a track identity/value for years... to suddenly destroy it... What a crap job.

[@RonaldMcVale]

Guess you're too spoiled for this.

[@GreeKing83]

I do like what they did with Grand Valley Speedway, it's different, but I like it. I'd also like to see Special Stage Route 11 come back, one of my favorite night courses, and the Rome Circuit from GT2.

[@rickflamez5630]

What about Red Rock Valley?

[@The124cbr]

"look how they massacred my boy."

[@chrisd2415]

It’s like they used the same sound for tyre squeal for years, interesting how the sensation of speed seems to disappear between GT1 and GT3 onwards

[@noxidrageborn3276]

I missed this track so much

[@cosmic6126]

Polyphony Digitial completely ruined the sweeping flow of the infield (after the second hairpin and before the first tunnel) with the changes made in Gran Turismo 4 that carried over through subsequent titles. It is compressed, blocky, jagged and abrupt compared to the flowing curves of the layout found in GT1, 2 and 3. The corners feel stacked on top of one another. The original will always remain as the true representation of the track in my mind. Compare 4:09 with 6:02. You can clearly see the change on the map overlay as well. Also, the angle of attack for the entry to the last corner before the main straight was changed as well. There is more of a straight run up to the corner in GT4 compared to the curved run in the original. But imo, the infield changes forever ruined the track for me way back in GT4. GT7 just took ruining the vibe of the track to another level. The atmosphere of a hidden valley carved into a forest is now gone, replaced with an under-construction highway.

[@crystiancoppetti]

👍🏻🤙🏻 o Gran Turismo 4 surra na cara todos 😎😎

[@FAT8893]

Sorry, but I'm not a fan of GT7 Grand Valley Speedway. I take the original version.