This is the first time I've seen this and I was blown away into the air. Seriously this has wonderful possibilities please keep experimenting and perfecting it.
@rashadglover35910 жыл бұрын
His new design seems to have twice as much thrust. Bravo! Your snow boarding video is awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm very proud of you. Who ever you are.
@dreamsci12 жыл бұрын
Hi The battery pack weighs 3Kg on this prototype for testing and all up weight is 7Kg. The duration is 5 minutes. The next one in build has all up weight of thrusters and battery at 12Kg and duration of 15 minutes at full thrust and a about half an hour at cruise thrust. I've built this as a backup for use on a standard paraglider, to give a bit of extra lift or between thermals, but turns out to be a great paramotor. I'l put details on dreamscience-propulsion as we develop.
@mowtivatedmechanic11723 жыл бұрын
Do you guys have a website?
@яйцы9 күн бұрын
That's good stats! 30 minutes cruise at just 12kg is amazing for anything electric AND it's that small. I wonder if it'll scale and get up to an hour, that would be more than enough.
@jacobdavis0007 жыл бұрын
I am thrilled to see more and more electric propulsion ideas. What a great time to be an inventor! Good job on getting a less expensive solution for flight. A little more power is needed, but I'm sure it'll improve.
@moonboss45512 жыл бұрын
I live in Florida, USA...flat country...I pay 25 dollars to be towed up to 2500 feet, from there I can sometimes/usually thermal up to cloud base at 4500 feet. Keeping an extra charged battery on hand gives a two-flight day. ...I hope your thrusters can do it less expensively...Great Job !!
@mowtivatedmechanic11723 жыл бұрын
Where do you get towed in at?
@MakeTheNoiseMTB12 жыл бұрын
Have been assessing my old Hanglider for a similar EDF conversion. Effeciency on these motors is very low so steered me away. Seeing this relights the fire again. Congrats. Great build! Strap on the LiPo.
@dreamsci12 жыл бұрын
The thrusters are still in development, but we'll add more information at dreamscience-propulsion as we develop and test. I'm hoping to get the second prototype off the ground soon.
@mowtivatedmechanic11723 жыл бұрын
Soooo where’s this project at now? Market yet? Are the engines for sale?
@sandrainthesky10113 жыл бұрын
This has amazing potential for those of use that have problems with the huge weight of a paramotor, not to mention adaptable/removeable mount and regular harness, better thermalling once up, and not a chance of lines getting caught in the props. I may build one of these to replace my electric paramotor and skirt the laws here in Canada as it's certainly not going to be seen as a paramotor!
@aalborgfantasy2 жыл бұрын
A Japanese saying: "If it looks stupid, but works; it ain't stupid" Marvelous!...
@albedran212 жыл бұрын
Nice, This is what we need ; light, low noize and powerfull enough to help lifting us . great idea.
@mirozbiro12 жыл бұрын
Very nice. I was thinking about this solution time ago, but I found (in models shop) that one turbine with a high thrust costs about 3000 Euro. I am glad to see it working
@UpcomingJedi4 жыл бұрын
So lay it on us. How has the project progressed after all these years until 2020? Is this ready for market?
@braxtonryland17284 жыл бұрын
if there ready for the market I'm ready to buy them
@DL-kc8fc3 жыл бұрын
You probably don't need to idealize it too much. It seems that each unit has a thrust of about 50N, which is a total of 100N. As an auxiliary engine for finding thermals, or for strarting down a small hill, it is perfectly sufficient. If he used 2x propeller instead of a fan, for example 24-28 / 12, an AC motor around 2x3kW would suffice. It would have better parameters.
@dfrank7914312 жыл бұрын
Fantastic job and vision, good luck with your progress!
@e1cycle12 жыл бұрын
Congrats are in order here ! Well done, and looking forward to your advancements ! this is cooler than ice cream . 8)
@HicSvntDracones2 жыл бұрын
Definitely a lot of potential.. such as the potential for many, many noise complaints :) Always great for the paramotoring community :)
@KaptenScraps11 жыл бұрын
The future of low cost travel !
@mirozbiro12 жыл бұрын
Well.... we still wait to see the next version and some more details...
@demonhuntermoonwolf2447 жыл бұрын
Run four, two per side and build a lightweight under pack beneath the paraglider rig should give you more than enough thrust to weight ratio for flight and increase your stability dramatically. Happy flying mate hope to see more soon.
@BlackxLight7 жыл бұрын
Since you guys refuse to make them for sale I am making my own. I have got a manufacture that has made thruster units to over 40kg of thrust combined. My unit will fit to a the back of a normal paraglider harness. It will be on a swivel so after getting to a height for thermalling, the unit can be swung vertical to be in the slipstream with 0 or little drag so you have proper glide. It can also be used for low saves. Also, in strong thermals or ridge lift, the thrusters can be swung back out with no power engaged, and if they spin up in the 40km/hour speed relative wind of the paramotor they will re-charge the batteries if the charge produced by the motors is greater than the remaining charge of the batteries. In a good re-usable thermal, you maybe able to spiraldown to increase speed and charge, then thermal back up. This unit will NOT be a paramotor competitor. It will be a very light launch and extended flight system for thermal paragliding. Since Dreamscience seems happy to not take this further and just dream (it has done nothing for years) I will make something of it. Anyone interested please respond here. I am making one for myself, but I am prepared to go into production commercially.
@titonetworker1147 жыл бұрын
Cloud Chaser can I buy one? please contact me on WA +6281372511277
@BlackxLight7 жыл бұрын
I will contact you when up and running.
@kevinmk20027 жыл бұрын
I've only used EDFs on RC models, but in both cases they use a 'thrust tube' after the EDF. This is apparently to increase thrust. Would this help here?
@kevinmk20027 жыл бұрын
Here's the info www.rcpowers.com/community/threads/an-edf-thrust-tube-tutorial.14008/
@davidharvey99417 жыл бұрын
Dear Cloud chaser, please keep me informed about your progress. I'd be interesting in purchasing one.
@ThomasGrillo6 жыл бұрын
Maybe use a small gas engine to generate electricity for those motors to extend range. I think something like ducted fans would greatly improve safety. No more windmills on your backs to lop off hands, and get damaged by gravel, and such. Thanks for the video.
@awaitingthetrumpetcall45294 жыл бұрын
I just saw this. I think ducted propellers are brilliant. I hope progress was made on this project.
@dreamsci12 жыл бұрын
Hi These thrusters are based on high power ducted fans as used with large RC models. I'll ask the manufacture that built these for us if they are happy with me giving the specifications. This may be a few weeks.
@Flyit370757 жыл бұрын
Cool, success.... I was working on a power Hang Glider harness project with 2 Dr Mad thrust 90 mm EDF, I had about 36 # static thrust on 12s but gave up before attempting to Flat Land Launch. Radier berntsen ( E help hang glider ) convinced me to go with no less that 70# thrust, so Im setting up twin pusher 100kv turnigy outrunners 34x14 counter rotating props. Hope to test in month or so.
@azdigbee10 жыл бұрын
Interesting concept. They do seem to be very underpowered for this application, and look more suited to model airplanes. How much thrust do they generate ? I am not knocking you - i admire your ingenuity but they seem to be little more than hairdryers to me. Seems you would need at least 100/150 lbs of thrust to make them useful.
@_W1L_12 жыл бұрын
Congratulations for the initiative. The evolution is closer than you think! Which model of the motor and controller used in this experiment? Thanks for sharing: D
@ВалераСмирнов-щ6к6 жыл бұрын
If 1st motor fails and another one still work you can get a twist or another problem in flight! Safe auto-poweroff system is needed
@inox1ck9 жыл бұрын
Basically edfs are able to provide thrust at higher speeds that the propellers won't work not even those with higher pitch. So they are efficient at high speed. Since paragliders fly at very low speed normal propellers would be much more efficient. However you still have some big advantages over the propeller setups. This setup is extremely compact and I would say safer because you don't have those big blades on your back.
@inox1ck9 жыл бұрын
Also cheaper and easier to build
@paoloinverse81419 жыл бұрын
+inox1ck and basically you don't risk your life every second :D
@BlackxLight7 жыл бұрын
I see it as JUST a launch system and perhaps a low save system for a paraglider. NOT as a paramotor. I would like it behind the harness on a pivot, so that after you get to thermal height you can swing it to a vertical position so it is in your slipstream and produced small to 0 drag. I am going to make one as these guys won't sell em and don't answer emails.
@Justwantahover7 жыл бұрын
+inox1ck I was just thinking (before I read your comment) that he is trading off battery run time with convenience. lol
@brabrabo10 жыл бұрын
what is the make for your thrusters, tech specs, price? Thanks
@akiwright32048 жыл бұрын
Very cool !!!!!Please tell me the ducted fan manufacturer you are using.
@shivercanada7 жыл бұрын
Very impressed!! Nice and compact, bring it to market you'll sell alot of them, I'll buy one for sure!
@ematejowsky11 жыл бұрын
What happens if one motor fails? Do the lines twist if you don't kill the power in time. Are/will you be monitoring motor rpm to shut off automatically? A direct measurement of airflow/pressure might a be better for this?
@chrisleech15657 жыл бұрын
Best ever mate. Nice application. Maybe you could 3D print some ABS rotors for some extra thrust! I am just getting into the means and methods of that black art :-) Say, how does "Council" like you flying around the park? . Sorry pal, couldn't resist. Where are the build notes regarding the motors and EDF components for your aux thrusters? Regards, C
@BlackxLight7 жыл бұрын
I have asked, but they won't answer emails. I have found all the gear I need, with more powerful thrusters and am looking into making one. The only problem is working out the battery needs. It will just be a launch and low save for a paragliger, NOT a substitute for a paramotor. I remember reading (can't remember where) that the main problem they are having is the thrusters get too hot for continuous flight. But just as a launch system for 5 to 10 minutes, I think it would work OK. I will see.
@xavieraandx553512 жыл бұрын
Never seen this before ,interesting.All the best.!!
@andreschapero36154 жыл бұрын
2020 here .... What has happened to this brilliant project ?
@3literZ312 жыл бұрын
There are some very lightweight automotive batteries out there. I'd imagine that as battery technology continues to improve this will become very feasible for longer flights.
@mowtivatedmechanic11723 жыл бұрын
Like lithium ion batteries?
@wolfzedlitz91734 жыл бұрын
What Happened in the last 6 years??? Do you sell them?
@larry444l312 жыл бұрын
Very cool !!!!!... what MM duckted fans are you using in this video ?? thanks .... larry
@YaelLorenzo12 жыл бұрын
Nice flight!! I'm starting with paragliding, I've made kitesurf so far because my actual friends convinced me so instead of the "dangerous world of paragliders" (they had some accidents). But I'm an old RC fan. I suspect that you could have 10 to 15 minutes of flight with 5 Kgs of batteries wich could reach 45.000 mAh. Maybe I am to ambitious with the number, would you share some more? CONGRATS!
@merdoca23584 жыл бұрын
Hi when will protype 2 be ready to see?
@allerleitv70642 жыл бұрын
Whats the Name of the System? The Price? Do you habe do it self?
@lifeofbassman72282 жыл бұрын
How much was the cost and how much does it weigh and how much thrust does each engine make
@parateddy12 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Be good for getting you up there on a calm-ish summer's day, especially if you don't want a long drive. What is the weight of the battery pack? What is the expected duration of a 40kg thrust system? It must have some effect on the performance, once thrusters stop and you're in free flight.
@physik600110 жыл бұрын
Great Job! What kind of Thrusters do you use? And how many Kg they bring you to go forward? Thanks !
@EyeMaxi11 жыл бұрын
Put me down for a pair when you sell them please. Look a lot lighter & less smelly that the petrol motors. Great idea
@nogginthe12 жыл бұрын
Wonder if it would be possible to attach a cord to a stirrup then you could have vectored thrust! Given the low power I also wonder if you could steer with the motors and avoid using the brakes?
@pepafly10011 жыл бұрын
Perpektummobile paragliding very good idea , do another video details thanks.
@Gazman7912 жыл бұрын
I love it, great work.
@majesty154 Жыл бұрын
I need one of those asap.
@handysandy4u12 жыл бұрын
keep going , your near there with the ideal of a practical electric motor drive , as there are far to many combustion engines in the history of this world that have caused the climate change , then we will get decent weather for flying when we change to the electric paramotor . It will be cheaper and we can leave the natural fossil fuels -it makes childs sense . Im 45 years Electrical Technician !
@technopersia12 жыл бұрын
What kind of thrusters are you using? Power? Manufacturer?
@cheleni111 жыл бұрын
where can i get this please ? i would like to order
@qdatfrАй бұрын
Hello, did you measure the thrust for this setup?
@charadremur3333 жыл бұрын
Essentially a paramotor? Is there a difference?
@nerblebun10 жыл бұрын
Does it have a reverse?
@patrickmckowen29999 жыл бұрын
I like the concept -- but too noisy and not enough thrust , need about 4 more of those -- thanks for sharing Cheers Patrick
@jsollien1273 жыл бұрын
Sounds like my Dyson vacuum cleaner...
@conscienciauniversal_ey Жыл бұрын
Hola. Quisiera tener. Uno donde lo consigo. Gracias
@jeyapaulsamathanam705711 жыл бұрын
Great idea. Well done!
@silvio03605 жыл бұрын
Hai portato avanti il progetto per il parapendio?
@richystar20016 жыл бұрын
Need 4 more of those thrusters to get usable speed.
@omega774410 жыл бұрын
Просьба указать силу тяги турбин. Реально хотим тоже построить такую штуку
@8TresT810 жыл бұрын
Привет, я такое же стоить буду, уже заказал движки вот они: ru.aliexpress.com/item/Change-Sun-120mm-Ducted-Fan-12-Blades-with-EDF-5052-motor-kv500-all-set/1585886150.html
@omega774410 жыл бұрын
8TresT8 Привет. Классные турбинки, я видела только до 8 кг тяги. Да и цена меньше той что видела. Контролер будеш ставить один на 2 двигателя или на каждый по отдельности? Напиши марку контролеров. Ещё интересует больной вопрос акамуляторов
@ДенисПарафейников10 жыл бұрын
8TresT8 Привет! Пришли тебе моторчики? Как с тобой связаться, думаю о создании электро тяги для параплана, сейчас две схемы рассматриваю, эта более маленькая, ну и тяга здесь не ахти, но все же смотриться очень оригинально. Напиши свою почту плиз!
@omega774410 жыл бұрын
Привет. Пока ещё жду гдето за 2 недели будут. Моя почта omega_r@ukr.netЯ понимаю что замены мотопараплане пока не сделаеш, но хочу сделать так чтоб до 30 мин работали движки от акамуляторов. За это время можна набрать высоту до 600-800 м а там уже ловить потоки. Пока незнаю что делать с контролерами. Нехватает на всё денег. Если бы гдето найти схему,
@ДенисПарафейников10 жыл бұрын
Vlada Marchuk не уверен что 30минут на полной тяге они продержатся, это больше для поддержания высоты, не на долго, аккумы слишком сильно нагреваться будут тоже, я думаю их можно использовать при лебедочной затяжке, чтобы добрать еще 50-100 метров дополнительных но не более
@GoBike7612 жыл бұрын
hello are you going to do a motor combustion turbines with larger?
@bcsupport12 жыл бұрын
Are you selling what you have now ? How much ? Website ?
@dreamsci12 жыл бұрын
Hi This prototype for testing has 25Kg thrust so just straight and level with an 80Kg pilot. The next one with 40Kg thrust or 60Kg burst thrust, i project a climb rate of 1 to 2 m/s. I'll let people know once it gets in the air.
@SeattleRingHunter7 жыл бұрын
Only down side is the more battery power you add the more dangerous explosive and heavy materials you bring aboard!
@braxtonryland17284 жыл бұрын
how much does this cost?
@nritonga38743 жыл бұрын
How much power motor?
@suharinos7 жыл бұрын
Thrusters like Schubeler DS-215-DIA deliver 25kg of thrust. Two units give 50kg. Isn't that enough?
@dougfairweather10 жыл бұрын
Quite like it... flying in evolution!
@rickyfranza9011 жыл бұрын
Dove posso ordinare queste turbine ?
@cookseyism13 жыл бұрын
now that has got potential!
@arnaldotavares5999Ай бұрын
Qual é a potência dessas turbinas ?? Alguém poderia né falar por gentileza
@ostefanstefanov11 жыл бұрын
Много добре, веднага се отказах от перката.
@kavishvaidya37876 жыл бұрын
Can you power it so much to lift without any parachute?? Is it possible... by adding more fans or speed??
@pepafly10011 жыл бұрын
Please next video and more details. Thanks pepafly
@olivierviettiteppa8 жыл бұрын
This is what brand of engine ?
@sandokan84marines753 жыл бұрын
AMAZING !
@savioguimaraes79687 жыл бұрын
boa tarde aonde eu consigo comprar ?
@leseditionspiamo8 жыл бұрын
still a bit under powered but nice try on the way to get motor for paraglider that not weight 30kgs, that are not dangerous with these big blades rotating at 2000 RPM behind your head !!
@mortonuhv8 жыл бұрын
i agree , the cost of a new paramotor is what is keeping me away from the hobby. I am constantly racking my brain for more simple and efficient thrust system.
@satibel7 жыл бұрын
I might try an old 2cv boxer engine, it weighs around 50kg for 35-40 hp, on a trike it seems like it should work with a 120kg wing. Though the problem is still the wing, as you can find a motor for about 500€.
@zukayfilmproductions32557 жыл бұрын
What edf engines ru using mate?
@avo70075 жыл бұрын
Scotty, We Need More Power!
@robomanus11 жыл бұрын
what do you need so big backpack for?
@alexsakon12 жыл бұрын
looks like there are a LOT of issues to work out (thrust, duration), but good luck. I think turbine engines for RC airplanes would work well, with similar dimensions, with a LOT more noise however ; )
@ricardrinaldo47918 жыл бұрын
How much thrust do you have (theoretically or in practice)
@nickwilt12 жыл бұрын
Give the bloke a chance , you may get towed to 2500ft . That means you have to go to a long strip 2500ft long , I saw him take off in 50yards . It's experimental , just like the glider you fly , it was developed by NASA and look how good they are now as you said you can float for ages . So when they better last longer you will want one then , perhaps it may be an ideal to not use battery's but a small model plane engine linked to a generator !!!!
@richardvuvandung604910 жыл бұрын
ou trouver ces turbinnes ?
@ritinipiv11 жыл бұрын
И где, такие можно купить? Желательно в сборе.
@armandawud78733 жыл бұрын
Size wing please .....meter
@joanneweaver4411 жыл бұрын
any updates?
@accipiter19619 жыл бұрын
Me gusta. Very gut. Original friend.
@Justwantahover7 жыл бұрын
Maybe add another 2 motors.
@benparadude20283 жыл бұрын
The technology has come a long way, the possibilities are endless…
@bcsupport12 жыл бұрын
Can you sell what you have now ? I like what I see.
@glasslinger11 жыл бұрын
It would seem like gas engines would give a lot better thrust-running time ratio.
@DonHavjuan2 жыл бұрын
With three times more thrusters you might be onto something.
@sawman0011 жыл бұрын
Severe riser twist if one of them fails.
@MrPilotStunts Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately the tiny edfs are very inefficient. Bigger ones could work.
@lucywucyyy3 жыл бұрын
i think theyre a bit small
@mariokar9858 жыл бұрын
reminds me of a hoover!!! Sound wise
@turbinesrc8 жыл бұрын
Great EDF !!! ;-)
@coc77119 жыл бұрын
i think this idea and tech you use is good but not enough for efficiency ,yeap it is lighter and smaller but it is not efficient in long run and how long you use to fly with this in full speed? i think you use your thruster always in a full speed.right? i'm not genius and i don't have any good resources than you are but just take my comment so that you could use it also to improve your ideas and tech,and also i think you should use much more bigger thruster than the first thruster or ducted fan that you use to show to us. and i think the battery should place it on your back because it is getting so much heat. and a quick release ejection for emergency to your battery if it accidentally get fire up or explode while on the air.