Parasitic Draw on the new Harley Davidson's, ticking sounds?

[@bderryberry4987]

The subject of this video doesn't apply to my non CVO but you really put out some really helpful videos on very timely subjects. Thanks again for your efforts!

[@ITFZone]

Correct, but what's interesting is the relays are in place on the non CVO's. Different version, not sure why. Also interesting the Harley has never offered the power locks as a P&A upgrade. I would love a physical button on the bike to lock and unlock. I always forget to lock them and have to dig my fob out. You can lock and unlock on the screen but the screen still has to be on.

[@scotta6610]

Seriously the most informative videos for these Harley’s on KZbin. Others should take note of your videos. I’m poor at math too 😂

[@ITFZone]

Appreciate it! This is a home for all Harley Geeks!

[@SteveLyco]

Thank again Tom for putting in the work for the rest of us!!

[@ITFZone]

Of course, it is work sometimes but the support has been worth it!

[@user-bike-hd58]

Thanks Tom for the info. You have been very helpful in a lot of bugs in these new CVOS.

[@ITFZone]

Most welcome!

[@Dandre01]

Thanks again Tom. I have a new 2023 CVO SG. I noticed after my first long ride on her a month ago, I left the bike without a tender for a few days. When I went to start it, it was dead. I’ve had many bikes and was surprised that it needed charging. I’ve since kept a tender on it. I don’t think anything is ticking but I’ll pay more attention because of your video. Thanks again.

[@ITFZone]

I would really expect your bike to go many days without a tender. I have seen reports of 23's and 24's having bad batteries, dead cells. Worth doing this test and a load test on the battery before your warranty ends.

[@stuartberke5845]

Another great video Tom.I haven't myself noticed it, so I won't be looking for it. The zip tie seems like a good idea. Thanks again for all the great information.

[@ITFZone]

Yep don't go looking for it! I can't stop hearing it!

[@jm1797]

Thanks for the communication back and forth about this issue! Great video. Mine is doing this ticking noise 24/7 and it’s annoying. Any other CVO owners have this noise? HD should fix this with a recall… hopefully.

[@ITFZone]

Unless a BCM update corrects it I think this is the design. I was able to lower the sound with the cable tie BUT as the bike moves not sure this will hold as you have to get the pressure just right to make a difference with the noise coming from the relay. I agree, ANNOYING!

[@williamsaldanah3554]

Snow……..the main reason I moved to Florida. We ride all year, just loving it!

[@ITFZone]

Yes but there is almost no humidity here in the summer!

[@bderryberry4987]

Yeah FL. Flat, flat & roads are all straight lol

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

I worked 26 days straight in April, it was great to be off last weekend and snow. I’m ready for hot weather and some mountain carving.

[@ITFZone]

I agree, I am going to be traveling the next couple of weeks so I am sure it will be nice now!

[@Jim_Berry]

Good info. You must have purchased a subscription in the service portal to get the Electrical Diagnostic Manual.

[@ITFZone]

Correct! Firm believer in using the subscription option at least for the first year of these new models.

[@danbarrette9888]

Great to have that info out there.

[@ITFZone]

Yes, I always have hope a Harley Engineer will come across some of these videos. Harley Test Rider - Dream job!

[@kmeades43]

Another great video Tom. Thanks for your efforts in making this 🤟

[@ITFZone]

You are most welcome! Appreciate your continued support of the channel!

[@lancmac]

555 days..... I might divide that in 1/2 because you would have a no start situation when the battery is 1/2 depleted... It would be like a 10AH battery trying to start the bike.. But that is just a educated guestimate... Might vary a couple AHs.... But 275 days is still a long time... I think a freezing night out on the road would make a greater difference when camping or moteling it in 32d weather....... AGAIN great info thanx...

[@ITFZone]

AGREE! Good points, I was stuck on how long before it drained completely but you are most correct we want it to start!

[@dansdashcams8558]

If it’s ticking there’s a issue with the bcm it shouldn’t be supplying any power unless your locking or unlocking take it back to the dealer

[@jeremyankney1733]

The relay will eventually pit due to unnecessary cycling of duty cycle.

[@ITFZone]

Don't disagree, I am fairly certain all of the '23.5's are doing this. I am hoping to see some more feedback with this video. Is there a BCM update that will correct the issue? This is my hope!

[@jm1797]

Have you had a chance to talk to HD about this?

[@ITFZone]

I got a basic answer of this is a normal condition. I have heard that this does not exist on the 2024 CVO's but I have yet to have a chance to verify this one myself. I am hoping we can get this channel large enough to get me a HD contact!

[@louhmx1136]

No excessive gadgetry in any bike I will buy.

[@ITFZone]

Pros and cons but I don't disagree, how much of this technology has really made the biker better, personal view for sure. I will say the 121" VVT is truly amazing!

[@testflight06]

More great content! Thank you!

[@ITFZone]

Awesome! Appreciate your support!

[@markfastuca9915]

My name is Mark I’m an electrician I believe that Harley has to fix this problem, there is voltage being sent to that relay that’s why it is ticking you’re saying it is the BCM, whether it be an adequate amount or not to latch on the saddlebag, you are getting wear and tear on that relay And I’d like to know if that was supposed to be a momentary contact or a contact that is supposed to be pulled in all the time, most likely it is a momentary contact because it will pull it in close the latch, and then the power should go away so when I’m saying is that power or power should not be going to the relay unless you are hitting the lock button on your remote, that that relay should not be seeing any voltage or amperage until you hit the button, I believe this is a problem for Harley Davidson and they need to fix it

[@ITFZone]

Appreciate the comment! Your sentiment is being expressed by others. I will keep looking for an update / fix!

[@tomiannarino8673]

You’re the best!

[@ITFZone]

Awesome! Appreciate your support of the channel!

[@joehaney1705]

I just wonder why I have it on my 23.5 CVO, but the noise isn’t present on my wife’s 24 CVO

[@ITFZone]

Yes I have tried to confirm on the 24's but I didn't get a great answer. I suspect the '24 CVO's would have the same setup. Possibly pull that side cover and take good listen, also would be great to confirm if the relay is the same model as the '23's.

[@user-bike-hd58]

I haven’t had any of this ticking with my CVO. 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@ITFZone]

Which year?

[@user-bike-hd58]

@@ITFZone same as yours. 23 1/2

[@ITFZone]

@@user-bike-hd58 Interesting, is it a BCM version or a relay issue? I will continue to dig into it.

[@davidwilliams579]

Thanx for the info . Harley should be paying you .

[@ITFZone]

I would love to work for the motor company for sure. They can reach out anytime!

[@tristanweir938]

if i lock my bike with the key fob thte battery fully drains in under an hour. i keep a gun in my bags and i learned this the hard way at every bar i went to

[@ITFZone]

Wow! I have not seen this. I have had no issue with my bike locked or unlocked.

[@tristanweir938]

@@ITFZone yea im gonna have to measure the draw when i lock the bags some time, lately ive been just manually locking it but the battery drained twice so far in the last couple weeks ive owned it, a couple stops at bars and locked my bags came out to a dead bike, stopped locking the bags with the fob and its fine

[@ITFZone]

To drain the battery that quick it should be easy to find the draw. I have to assume the relay is stuck and drawing the full 12v. Both of those relays are easy to get to and easy to replace. Cheap on Amazon but this would be a warranty item for sure!

[@jm1797]

@@tristanweir938 Were you able to find the issue or have Harley look at it? Do you have the ticking noise?

[@tomiannarino8673]

I took delivery of my 23 CVO in October, I don’t hear anything.

[@ITFZone]

It is faint but good to know. Do you have a newer BCM or BCM update that others do not? Possibly it is a BCM update fix but I have not seen any service bulletin indicating this. Harley unfortunately does not publish their BCM / ECM updates and what the changes are. Appreciate the comment!

[@thexnewyorker7284]

Dude this was driving me crazy . I forgot to tell harley when i had the bike in for the Check engine light .

[@ITFZone]

Not aware of any fix currently.

[@jm1797]

So have you had a chance to ask Harley to look at this ticking issue yet?

[@thexnewyorker7284]

@@jm1797 every time i go there i forget to ask . But i haven’t had any issues . Bats not draining. And i don’t normally keep it on a charger either .

[@mojo4376]

It still shouldn’t be clicking. That’s annoying and will likely wear out the relays before it kills the battery.

[@ITFZone]

Yep getting this feedback. Hoping we will find a true fix from this video.

[@RedDevilinCali]

This is a fixable issue. HD fixed my ticking problem by replacing the BCM. I posted what happened, but my post has been removed? oh well.

[@ITFZone]

Wow a BCM swap, I would think then an BCM update would resolve it. Sorry not aware of your previous post or anything being removed, I have never removed a comment on my channel.

[@RedDevilinCali]

@@ITFZone Not sure why it was removed, I didn't say anything bad. Just how it took 10 months for HD to fix, as it was difficult to diagnose. But ultimately they replaced my 23 BCM with a 24 BCM (at least that is what they told me LOL). My ticking was very loud and you could hear it from 10-15 feet away when ambient noise was absent. However, I did eventually have to call Wisconsen HD HQ to try to get help with the issues as the HD dealership could not fix it over 10 months; however that same day the dealership called later and said a regional expert technician was coming to and wanted to look at it due to my call to HD HQ. I took it in and he showed me the large parasitic draw with on a meter and ultimately convey that to fix it the BCM had to be replaced. In the end I am happy, but the ticking stressed my out for a long time, especially spending almost 60k at the dealership on the bike and upgrades...

[@ITFZone]

Ah, sounds a bit different that what I am seeing. No parasitic draw but the ticking remains. I will see if I can get my dealer to try a '24 BCM. Appreciate the update my bike continues to click! No issues as a result but I HATE it!

[@RedDevilinCali]

@@ITFZone Yeah, that clicking sucks. The regional technician showed me the meter and one of the saddlebag relays was continuing to receive a small electrical current and the other did not while the bike was turned off and he said neither one should be receiving any current. My clicking was loud to me and was becoming deafening over the months LOL. Good luck!!

[@customgaragemoto7590]

👌👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@skywalker333]

Some of the guys I know riding these new CVO bikes are ready to throw the bike thru the showroom window....

[@ITFZone]

For sure many have had more issues than others. For me the amp issue was very frustrating and took a lot of time to get replaced. BUT the overall design is a big improvement and these bikes are a blast to ride. The 121" is motor perfection to me.

[@nickahrens6139]

The more electric crap you have on bikes, the more problems you're gonna have.

[@ITFZone]

For sure, the odds are going up for potential issues.

[@jamessouthworth1699]

I would probably pull the relays and deactivate all of that useless crap

[@ITFZone]

Well that's an option but if you commute on your bike the wireless lock / unlock is handy.

[@jamessouthworth1699]

@@ITFZone I've been commuting for decades. Those wireless locks are just more roadside issues. No convenience in having a broken bike miles from home.

[@ITFZone]

@@jamessouthworth1699 This is true!

[@lanceoverton5919]

Best thing to do here is get rid of that dinosaur scrap heap and buy a proper motorbike that’s made in Japan

[@ITFZone]

That is an option, the Gold Wing fans have been well represented in the comments for this video for sure.

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

This is what you get with a bike full of techno crap.

[@ITFZone]

You are not alone with this sentiment. If you want an M8 without this screen now is the time to acquire one!

[@frankmarkovcijr5459]

@@ITFZone M-8 and TC have all sorts of mechanical issues. My Sportster has been so reliable and dependable transportation as l don't have a car. My Sportster has outlasted all of my Honda's put together.l would have a EVOLUTION big twin but nothing later. I love my vintage British motorcycles as they are pure motorcycles no government regulations on them. Today's motorcycles are a collection of government regulations on 2 wheels.

[@ITFZone]

@@frankmarkovcijr5459 I cannot disagree and also desire to own an evolution motor again at some point. But the newer models do go fast. Appreciate your comment.

[@kennethschauer1801]

Just buy a Honda,

[@ITFZone]

That is an option! These new bikes are still Harley's good and bad but still my passion.

[@vsucountryboy]

Your fault for buying an overpriced, junk Harley. Should have bought a goldwing.😂

[@ITFZone]

This video is bringing out the GW fans for sure. I won't bring up recent recalls! I have never ridden a wing so I won't argue quality issues of the new Harley's.