Sonic Pocket Adventure - Sonic Was Always Good

[@Pariah6950]

Correction. This game doesn't have roll locking. Advance adds it, so I was mixing it up. Sorry about that.

[@sandudelcea6707]

But why did they add it in advance ?

[@auuizy9033]

So much better

[@auuizy9033]

@@sandudelcea6707 hmm i don't know

[@sandudelcea6707]

@@auuizy9033 maybe they forgot

[@OpticTeadrop]

The best part - IGN gave this game a 10/10. This is objectively the best Sonic game lol

[@dillonmalbrue4179]

Objectivity means nothing when you bring up IGN

[@jxr_ed]

The back to back to back "What do you MEAN you've never heard of ________?" killed me.

[@donovansantaella7861]

I'm really glad to see the game getting covered as someone who actually owns an NGPC! It really is a nice old time, and I'm real glad I discovered it before the prices for it started to go up. Of course emulation is always an option, but I do just enjoy enjoy owning the original copies of games when I get the chance. Although I should definitely try out Sonic Pocket Winter at some point. I'd really love to play through the game as Tails and Knuckles. Honestly just the fact that there's even a ROM hack out for this game amazes me, especially one that went as far as Sonic Pocket Winter did, even with it being unfinished. I vividly remember deciding to go for the platinum ranks in the time attack mode. Even though I don't usually play Sonic games for the time attack, it was still really fun to go through the whole thing. Those times sure were strict, but gosh when I got the perfect run on the perfect route it was so satisfying. Although I haven't really done it for the advanced mode just because of all the extra factors with routing and all that. Although I never considered it like it being a run where you can get a chaos emerald while still speeding through the game. That's certainly a neat way to look at it. You also nailed the exact thing I would want with the puzzle pieces. I mean I did like them being there. They were really fun to find, but those last ones can be a pain when you've already searched through the levels so extensively. I did eventually find them all with the help of a video guide, but I see that someone already posted one of those in the comments. Though I can at least link download with pictures of all the level maps that mark where the puzzle pieces are just in case that's easier to deal with. I might even make good use of these to try and route out the advanced time attack so I can finally spend some time getting all platinum ranks on those as well. www.mediafire.com/file/qv5l4e0o8m7hl4u/Sonic_Pocket_Adventure_-_Photo_Pieces.7z/file I also wanted to mention that the NGPC is actually 16 bit. I can understand mistaking it for an 8 bit system based on the visuals, but I like to think of it as an inverse scenario to the Turbografx 16/PC Engine where that sure looks 16 bit, but it's actually 8 bit. It'd certainly explain how it was able to handle a much better recreation of the classic Sonic physics, as well as be a powerhouse when it came to portable fighting games. Anyways, long live the clicky stick, and I hope you have yourself a fine day. : )

[@Pariah6950]

I do actually have a copy of Pocket Adventure. And I did have a NGPC at a time. But it was pretty beat up and hardly usable. Thanks for the info on the NGPC being 16-bit. Didn't know that.

[@AC_Dragneel]

Who could ever forget when IGN gave Sonic Pocket Adventure a 10/10? No, seriously, they did.

[@themissingbits6375]

And then they made a top 10 and it was not even in the list and in that list they put Unleashed in it What a weird world we live in

[@AC_Dragneel]

@@themissingbits6375 SPA was so good that it would've taken up the entire top 10, so they had to exclude it in the spirit of fairness.

[@themissingbits6375]

NO WAY BETTER THAN MANIA AND GENERATIONS OH MA GOOOOOAT!!!

[@themissingbits6375]

IGNs favirote game am i right ;)

[@wusstunes]

@@themissingbits6375 different people write reviews than write listicles

[@LuckyPotatoKat]

I have no idea what you're even talking about, those are clearly Funyuns.

[@Inactivechannel-r6]

BRO IM FLABBERGASTED 💀

[@andybilyak]

Those are MY FUNYUNS now Eggman!

[@ak47dragunov]

Knowing how in-depth your Sonic story analyses are, I can't wait for a Sonic Battle review, if that is in the works

[@brendiesel386]

yo this comment right here please

[@brendiesel386]

Always love when people start talking about the spin-offs Those are my favorite parts When they talk about the less story focused games Idk, I like watching people review multiple or even all of the entries in a series It’s fun and comparing peoples opinions is wild sometimes

[@KidPrarchord95]

11:13 I don't think anyone was ever seriously arguing that this was the intention. It's mostly just a cool little headcanon thing.

[@pedrolax9275]

The knuckles skidding sprite being a red sonic though

[@YuriEnjoyer52]

I noticed that too

[@Pariah6950]

Yeah. He wasn't totally finished for the hack, unfortunately.

[@wowkoi]

1:59

[@cynosurevevo]

i see that "transitional art style" comment as more of a fun way to look at things rather than the way that they intended it tbh

[@Yuli_Ban]

It's an easy thing to assume about the game because of the way it played out and the timing of the whole thing. Maybe it's true someone created an unsubstantiated-but-plausible headcanon and everyone ran with it as the truth for too long, but it's easy to see why it's so believable, considering the nature of the game as a sort of Sonic 2 Remix released a few weeks after Sonic Adventure, with this mix of the classic and modern design, Eggman changing into his outfit at the very end of the game, and whatnot, like it's the swansong of the classic era.

[@SonicPAJ]

Apparently, Sonic Pocket Adventure is NOT included in the "Sonic EncycloSpeedia". According to writer Ian Flynn, it's some sort of "rights issues". He did not inquire further when writing.

[@igeljaeger]

your sonic content is some of my favorite stuff on youtube at the moment

[@HydraBread]

Also, Cheerios? We’re going with that now? xD

[@sh21dow]

Bro, why i like you're content so much

[@TheMaidenAndRedShow]

Perfect timing since I just finished binging the other episodes in this series

[@Syper7]

I might play it, love the colors of the game

[@Arbiter1414]

Just to say, the ranks in generations are almost entirely based on time like you can finish with no rings or enemies defeated if you want and still get an s as long as its deathless and fast.

[@ChaddyFantome]

I would say the ranks in Generations feel pointless as a result because the barrier for success is so insultingly low.

[@HRIgnomious]

@@ChaddyFantome Yeah, just seeing the Game Grumps playthrough of it and they're consistently getting B and A ranks in the game despite how genuinely awful they are at it. You have to be actively trying to fail at the game to get anything lower than a B.

[@Arbiter1414]

@@ChaddyFantome yeah I would 100% rather the ranks be harder to achieve, but I prefer it being based on time tbh, just tighter deadlines

[@rynobehnke8289]

@@ChaddyFantome I say that is more of an issue with to low requirements. Unleashed SD and Advance 3 are entirely time based ranking system yet its not nearly as easy to get S Ranks and Goal goal rings in these games compared to Generations A and S ranks.

[@ChaddyFantome]

@@rynobehnke8289 i have more issues with rankong solely on time than jist it being too easy or not. In general, i find it encourages the player too much to avoid interacting with the game as much as possiblem but I digress.

[@papyrussemi2848]

Every Sonic Boll fan knows Sonic Pocket Adventure.

[@RenMps]

Bro makes the most interesting thumbnail

[@TheDiego908]

With how curious you seem for a 3D classic Sonic game, it'd be interesting to see what you think about Sonic Robo Blast 2. It's a fangame, but it's a very different take on 3D Sonic compared to pretty much every other one

[@Kurtlen]

He did say he’d get to fan games eventually after he finishes all the canon games.

[@leonardoalvarenga7572]

@right_in_the_tockles All official games are canon, just not necessarily canon to each other, limão.

[@dragonmaster3030]

@@leonardoalvarenga7572 I mean we have that encylco speedia which I think explains the official time line though not 100% sure

[@leonardoalvarenga7572]

@@dragonmaster3030 Never read it.

[@dragonmaster3030]

@@leonardoalvarenga7572 yep, just read through it and during the black knight section it says in bold "everything is canon"

[@leonardoalvarenga7572]

I do think it is fair to assume that Pocket Adventure is a transition between classic and modern and there's one more evidence for it: the fact that Mecha Sonic showed up here with his Sonic 2 design, which is exactly the one we see in the Egg Carrier, suggesting that that was the latest design Eggman used for Mecha Sonic. If Pocket Adventure didn't have that purpose, then the Mecha Sonic we see in the Egg Carrier would have been the Sonic 3&K one. So I guess in the modern dimension it goes more or less like this: Sonic 3 > Sonic & Knuckles > Sonic Pocket Adventure > Sonic 4 Ep 1 > Sonic 4 Ep Metal > Sonic 4 Ep 2 > Sonic Adventure 1...

[@Pariah6950]

I think you're looking into that way too much. Mecha Sonic has the Sonic 2 design because the game takes a lot of stuff from Sonic 2. I doubt there's anything more to it than that.

[@zadock6370]

this is the only Sonic game I emulated. not buying an expensive system for just one game.

[@wiizosc]

What's Your Favorite Sonic Design? Not Just LIke Classic And Modern, It can be in the middle like Toei or Adventure Sonic. So Yea what's your favorite design?

[@Pariah6950]

Probably an uncommon pick. My favorite look for Sonic is the Classic Sonic drawn by Kieran Gates. He did some of the art for Mania, and I think it is absolutely perfect. That's why I used that for my Best Version of Every Sonic Game video. The best version of Sonic.

[@themissingbits6375]

@@Pariah6950 Very clever

[@wiizosc]

@@Pariah6950 I like the Sonic from the Sonic 2 Concept Art

[@hyruleguy9569]

I'd argue that SA1 Sonic is a pretty faithful translation of the Genesis gameplay, minus the branching paths and with more automation due to technical limitations. The beta version of Windy Valley is the closest an official 3D Sonic level has been to replicating the style of the original trilogy.

[@Yuli_Ban]

It's weird that no one ever talks about this, but we actually _did_ get a faithful translation of Genesis-style gameplay in 3D, in 1999 no less. But it wasn't from Sonic; it was in the form of the Tony Hawk series. Yeah, play with the physics of the THPS games, ratchet up the speed but in custom parks made for it, and it feels exactly like what you'd hope a 3D Genesis Sonic would be, Now that does require some bit of fiddling and tweaking, but it's actually completely doable. Thing is, Sonic Adventure was finished and released by the time THPS 1 came out. Twice, in fact! Not just in Japan, but even 9/9/99 was a good two weeks before THPS1's release. Sonic Team had no way of knowing the physics engine for a proper 3D Genesis-esque Sonic game had been made, and they probably never even played the game. Even if they did, I feel it was a good call to focus on spectacle platforming in Adventure 2; the bad call was more divvying up the game into other gameplay styles.

[@sandudelcea6707]

Nah man, this is definetly the game to show the modern redesigns for the first time, anyway at least your finally back to covering sonic

[@thebombsquadtv6151]

Sonic Pogket Adventure LETS GOOOOO

[@JonyPlayz1]

Nice video. Excited to see what you’ll think for rush. Lol

[@themissingbits6375]

Hope he does not RUSH the other videos ;)

[@JonyPlayz1]

@@themissingbits6375 Ha get it... Lol

[@djjimmaster8261]

1:59 He clearly becomes a red sonic as he goes through the loop, wtf??

[@wusstunes]

Tiny Chao garden in advance 1 was such a good motivator to improve my ability to quickly run through levels in that game. Interested in how you feel about that title. Pocket adventure is so neat tho! Thanks for giving it a close look.

[@JustJohn43]

I love playing this, especially on real hardware

[@elibonham4388]

Man I mean I'm happy ur doing that hand held games but I was really looking forward to u doing secret rings for whatever reason.

[@themissingbits6375]

It secret coins not secret rings. Rings is the thing Mario has. Sonic has coins

[@elibonham4388]

@@themissingbits6375 oh yea

[@tonycorona8501]

Oh yeah, this means Sonic Advance next!

[@Ashly-28]

just another case of everybody but sonic team making good sonic games

[@Hyp3rSonic]

Sonic 3? Sonic and knuckles? Generations? Colors? The Wii/PS2 version of Unleashed(it wasnt just Dimps who developed that version)

[@boblon8150]

I can’t wait till you get to Sonic Unleashed

[@Hectoreo]

my favorite game rated 10/10 by IGN

[@slima11NG]

oh ny god, knuckles turns into sonic when going through the spiral thingy

[@kagabe1534]

So excited for his sonic forces

[@ownsundae]

1:44 but sonic cd was before sonic 2 in the storyline

[@gracileferrante4313]

I don't think Sonic Pocket Adventure was made with the intention of being a bridge between classic and modern, but historically I think it can be seen that way

[@Laekith]

Dimps got the physics right on their first try and then decided they were too good apparently cause Advance 1 has the rolljump lock ffs (which this game doesn't have btw, no idea what version you played at this point)

[@Pariah6950]

Just checked again. You're right. There is no roll lock here. Whoops. It was a while ago that I recorded this so I mixed it up with Advance. I'll pin a comment to correct this. As for Advance, technically having the roll lock makes it more accurate to the Genesis games. It might be a bad feature, but if they wanted to be faithful it makes sense they'd want to add that.

[@Laekith]

@@Pariah6950 yeah it's just weird that they did it after deciding to not do it here

[@thecjgameworld4013]

1:45 me who really got into sonic during his modern adventures. "Who"

[@Yuti640]

I didn't know they made a 3rd Adventure game

[@ultimateshadeofwar]

To be honest, the 2D games im the most interested so hear your opinion on the last 2 Sonic advance games, and the Sonic Rush games, i don't think that they are bad games, but their take is very different to certain mechanics.

[@ValidationOff]

Sonic Advance 2 is extremely mixed on opinions I seen and since he loves speed in Sonic games, he might have a unique opinion on how Advance 2 works so I'm interested on that.

[@bingobo2551]

To me sonic pocket adventure kinda seems like a handheld version of sonic mania. Similar to both versions of generations.

[@julien2983]

I just learned about this game like 2 hours ago!

[@WowThereBuddy1]

You seem to get hung up on the details on what is and isn’t intended. Retroactively it makes sense why people would perceive this game as a bridge between two different eras of the series. Any actual canon becomes an absurd idea to begin with if you go down that route where only the intent at time of release matters. The intent is irrelevant, the question should be what does it function as currently. You do this essentially in a way with the mechanics through all the modding you use, so why not give credence to retroactive narrative adjustments. Of course intent is an interesting thing to know contextually but you’re allowed as a consumer to interpret a piece of art/media however you want. I think the bridge idea people put forth is a good one regardless of the original intent. Sorry if this was a weird thing to get nitpicky about in this video.

[@Pariah6950]

I understand what you mean. But as a writer myself, I do look for the creator's intent. That's what art is. Something a creator is trying to convey to an audience. The intent is what is actually supposed to be happening, so to me that is what is happening. This is why I dislike retcons, as it is disrespectful to previous intentions.

[@Kelps.mp4]

@@Pariah6950 I'm fine with retcons as long as the retcon is made by the author of that specific plotpoint, like the retcon that Goku is a Saiyan and not an Earthling child with a monkey tail who can transform into a giant ape for some reason. But when the retcon is made by a different author without the original author's consent, then that is a no no for me. As you said, it inherently disrespects the intention of the author

[@SenoGhell]

If this is not canon and not the Classic to Modern transition, I feel like Sonic 4 is the one that takes up the mantle of the Classic to Modern transition

[@auuizy9033]

Ok, im gonna give it a try

[@SuperLuigiSixty4]

I really hope this ends up on onw of those NGPC collections

[@sanicsanic6890]

The original version of CD actually had time attack

[@Hyp3rSonic]

TRUE! it would be weird if the 2011 version(and origins) removed a part of the original game(the original version)

[@SonplaysMinEcraft]

They made a prequel to Sonic Mania?

[@Ender-kk7gg]

3:55 15 frames of red Sonic.

[@angelrgrimaldo1374]

PLEASE KEEP CALLING THEM CHEERIOS

[@Nic_2751]

Sonic Pocket Adventure, more like Sonic Pocket Dimension

[@flickyfkosstitcher8547]

I think it's ironic that people refer to this as an 8-bit game; both the Neo Geo Pocket/Pocket Colour and its games are ALL 16-bit, as stated on packaging, game cartridge labels etc.

[@Megagamer-xr7ps]

2:04 you can see knuckles turning into sonic probably because they are lazy

[@randomico7632]

Talk about sonic advance next. It's overlooked

[@monkeystuff661]

Sonic is an legend even tho some games are bad and trash

[@frickerrific2813]

Aw you coulda called the coins totis in this video since snk is popular in Latin America and totis are a popular loop shaped snack down there.

[@overall_great213]

I think about this game however I want. If I want to think about it as bridging the gap between modern and classic I will. You don’t get to choose for me.

[@Hyp3rSonic]

Actually, sonic cd was the 1st one to have a time attack(the original sega cd version)

[@HydraBread]

I wish they released this on steam

[@shyguy85]

I dont care for you using a hack. I know it's not changing anything major but it still feels a little ingenuine

[@internetpawn3542]

Huh, I thought you would’ve gone on a similar tangent about the special stages like somecallmeJohnny did.

[@DannyBenS94]

I liked this game, I just didn't love it. I too played it through emulation, but I feel like I can judge it as the game it is, even if I didn't play it on its intended console. I played it on my PSP, so I did play it portably lol.

[@bilalwx8711]

6:00 why his legs are flesh colored

[@spsaofficalchannel]

I love the fact this game uses Sonic 3 music! None of it fits the levels at all… you hearing Angel island in chemical plant is the funniest shit ever!

[@MiMiBrokenbourgh]

Yo red Sonic skid?

[@JoshingYa]

You're a gaming channel, but have you ever considered reviewing the Sonic cartoons?

[@Pariah6950]

I would like to talk about those, as well as the OVA, movies, etc. After the games. And if I can figure out how to avoid copyright.

[@turtlefood4083]

Will you be doing Sonic Unleashed after this one?

[@penguinlord9984]

He might do Sonic and the Secret Rings after this cause that came out a year before Unleashed.

[@HydraBread]

The intro of the video suggests he’s going to cover the line of handholds that released alongside the 3d sonic games but I could be wrong

[@turtlefood4083]

@@HydraBread I know I'm just in denial

[@penguinlord9984]

@@HydraBread Yeah you are probably right. I mean he is covering a lot of small side games and I don’t think he did the advance games yet. I do really want him to do Unleashed cause that game is so damn good.

[@flubb831]

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[@georgeshaw4017]

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[@MicahBuzanMUSIC]

What do you mean by "roll lock"? I haven't heard that term.

[@Pariah6950]

It's feature in a lot of the older Sonic games. Your movement would be locked while rolling on the ground, so you'd have no control and would just be carried by momentum. And it would carry in to your jump until you hit the ground again and started running.

[@MicahBuzanMUSIC]

@@Pariah6950 Oh interesting, I never really noticed that. Enjoying these in-depth vids by the way!

[@ali_m_]

HOLY CRAP I'M THE 2ND VIEW

[@Goobywoobygoo]

Wrong sonic adventure 1&2 are the best sonic games.

[@themissingbits6375]

It his opinon

[@Goobywoobygoo]

@@themissingbits6375 he’s wrong and that’s a fact, nerd.

[@MarioSpivey]

While i disagree with some of his more.. Unpopular Opinions on the 3D games (Especially with him saying that they aren't Sonic games because they don't replicate the momentum physics of the classic games) This isn't a good counterpoint to said opinions

[@themissingbits6375]

@@MarioSpivey My point was that the guy who wrote This comment was like “Dude you wrong” and i was like “He has an opinion and you gotta accept it” Also about the adventure stuff Most of these games does not play like the classics, and most of these games is trying to be “A Sonic game” and it not Working for the most part other times it is. You Can kinda see This in a Way like With Mario. Mario 64 is not realley a Mario game but it a diffrent type of Mario.

[@sugoianimester5789]

Unfortunately, I am not a fan of 2d sonic games