MG4 vs VW ID.3 vs Vauxhall Astra Electric Review | Who makes the best EV hatchback?

[@ParkersTV]

Which car gets your vote? Let us know in the comments below...

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

Neither. Both are terrible in their own special ways.

[@darrenost3436]

Mg

[@helipeek2736]

Just to be clear, are we talking about the cars or the election?

[@darrenost3436]

Mg,better than my last car,not in every way but all round.....2017 Audi S3

[@johnwhite2143]

Mg4 great value for money for electric car, if petrol tho I'd have the astra hands down 👌🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@kevinison5539]

I have the Mg4 and the wife has the ID3. The MG4 is nicer to drive and comes fully loaded, but on a long run we prefer the ID3 for its ride and better seats. The ID3 takes a little longer to charge compared to the MG which regularly charges at 130-140kw. If buying secondhand the MG is likely to have plenty of warranty left out of its 7yrs where our ID3 only has three yrs.

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

Thanks for an interesting comparison of those two cars and your real world experience. I've owned a Kia e-Niro from new in March 2019, now on 102,000 km and its been pretty much faultless. We live in France and do long hauls in the car, finding it comfortable and the build quality is as good as anything German or Japanese I've owned. The charging speed of the MG4 makes me jealous though..we top out at 75 kW but tbh on long trips we don't mind taking a 30 minute rest to eat/drink and use the bathroom.

[@sebastian5903]

You say MG is nice to drive and then you say you prefer the ID3 for its ride? I'm sure the MG is not better to drive

[@Lemming1970]

@@sebastian5903 drive and ride are two different things. I'm not sure where the confusion is coming from.

[@kevinison5539]

Yes, the MG is more of a drivers car in how it steers and handles. Our ID3 seems boring by comparison, but the softer suspension and better seats of the ID3 are what you want when travelling long distances. Both are very good cars, but in different ways. Horses for courses and all that.

[@williamarmstrong7199]

​@sebastian5903 always test for yourself. What one person finds good others will find unlivable with. Having driven an early MG4 I can say it is a brilliant car to drive. Not having driven an ID3 I cannot compare. All I will say is I can do a 10 hour taxi driving shift in the MG4 without a problem. The other thing to understand is SIAC (who make MG cars) also make all the VW group cars for the Chinese Market and also make many parts for VW and export to Germany. So in reality many of the parts in the MG are identical to those in the ID3 certianly in quality.

[@harry19000000]

I drive the MG4 Long Range for almost a year now and I can only say I am fully happy with it. Excellent drive and excellent performance. In summer the range is about 600 kilometer and in winter about 370 kilometer at various speeds.

[@jsnrv]

Happy with my Astra EV, picked one up for £21k brand new so can't complain about price tag at all.

[@josipmatic4732]

Yuup, price drop quickly at Oppel even new, just you must hunt

[@grahamtoyn2912]

I have the MG4 Trophy, and it does come with Android auto and Apple car play.Its a great car to drive and very comfortable on a long journey.

[@simondehaas8784]

We have had an ID3 for nearly 2.5 years and love it. Agree with pretty much everything you said about driving it, although I find the brakes absolutely fine once used to them. We don't find the controls to be a problem at all. The non back-lit slider and rear window controls are a bit silly but very minor. It does a good job for long journeys (have done a couple of journeys over 1000 miles and many in the 3-500range) and I would add that the amazing turning circle means it is the best you can buy for urban driving. I haven't driven an MG4, but the ID3 is also quite fun on a B road. It lacks a bit of feel but is well balanced and has enough power. You can get them with big discounts now, so the price difference to the MG isn't what the rrp suggests.

[@thiagolima5232]

love mey id 3

[@neilfennell6833]

I agree entirely with your comments. Our ID3 has been great. I have driven the MG4 and, yes, it drives very well, but I found the interior materials to be cheap feeling and probably won’t stand up very well over time.

[@JoeMcMorrow-k7e]

Note that discounts are great for the buyer, dreadful for the manufacturer. However, when looking at the competition (and what is coming) - the ID3 will HAVE to do something about the price if VW want to stay relevant. The fact that the UK does not get the revised infotainment screen (and probably misplaced buttons and knobs still set up for left hand drive) suggests VW are not exactly bothering to make a splash in the UK?

[@simondehaas8784]

@user-jt4fy4od9r the revised infotainment is available if you order now I believe

[@bumpkini30]

I have an orange MG4 Trophy LR. Why do these expert reviews always fail to note that the “fiddly touchscreen” can be negated by using the Hey MG voice control or indeed commonly used controls such as heating control can be assigned to the joysticks on the steering wheel. Yes the touchscreen is less than ideal but unlike some others there are decent alternative control functions. I have drive modes on left side and the right side joystick alternates between audio control and heater control at the touch of a physical button on the wheel. Simple.

[@lazymandoplayer]

I have the same model and have set the control options in the same way. I don't really use the voice control very much but it's there if a little limited. WLTP is quoted as 270 mile and In January I was seeing around 220 miles but that may have been partially due to me being a new EV owner and sitting in it fiddling. Currently (June 2024) I'm seeing well over 300 miles on the mix of driving that I'm doing. To be fair not much of that is motorway speeds but a recent journey from near Horsham to Swindon to Reigate and back to near Horsham could easily have been completed on a single charge. I did top up at the Gridserve chargers at Swindon as I'd never used public charging to that point and wanted the experience but I still had 68% of capacity when I topped up to 80%. Mine was an ex-demonstrator which cost me just over £26k with 8000 on the clock at a convenient dealership list price for the model was £33k.

[@uttherkunst3806]

If there was a dog turd on the carpet would you point it out as a problem or say ‘what’s the problem, you can walk around it’?

[@harry19000000]

The secret to the touch screen is to touch it very gentle.

[@bumpkini30]

@@uttherkunst3806 No, but a fairer review would point out that fiddly touch screens are not unique to the MG perhaps?

[@chrispenn715]

I came to the same conclusion as you. I bought the MG about 18 months ago. There are a few software niggles but overall very happy with it

[@Mark_my_words_YT]

I have the MG4 extended range, it is a very brisk car indeed. Love it!

[@kazali6111]

I seen an mg4 in town driving. Looked a sharp drive, looked sleek, quick and modern. Impression i had

[@bikeman123]

Is no one interested in the efficiency of evs? Reviewers tell us range but not miles per khw.

[@jonathantaylor1998]

That's a very good point - it was briefly stated that the MG4's efficiency was inferior to that of the iD.3, but with no data to back that up.

[@logant6490]

If you charge from home at 7.5p/kW then efficiency isn't a huge factor (within reason)

[@helipeek2736]

Well, the maths is hardly tricky is it?

[@JoeMcMorrow-k7e]

MG 4.2 miles per kwh, ID3 4.6 miles per kwh, Corsa 4.8 miles per kwh. That'll be five pounds please.

[@Tsenngu]

Well the efficiency is WILDLY dependant on the driver. I have had both the ID3 and now have the MG4. The ID3 has no chance what so ever to reach it's WLTP summertime but the MG4 has no problems. Wintertime the MG4 looses 40% of its range in the absolute coldest but the ID3 is better. (Talking -20 celcius over time the mg drops down to 230km and the ID3 to around 275km in my ownership) but if my wife drives these cars ( both the ID and the MG) She has tons more range then me because of driver style, heating, cooling etc.

[@mikadavies660]

The great part about the Astra is it will devalue like crazy. Look at the Corsa E.... you can get one new for £20,000.... The Astra will be similar in 6mths or so from now.

[@chrisnewman7281]

have owned the MG 4 64 kW for the past eight months and it is very good value for money not too many complaints especially at the price. with heated seats, the heating works very well. Plenty of room. The materials are a bit on the cheap side but as I said consider the price. much prefer rear wheel drive to front wheel drive that’s another point in its favour.😊

[@joaodomingues1559]

Nice video guys, but you forgot a competent adversary, the Megane e-tech 60kw battery and 220hp.

[@JoeMcMorrow-k7e]

Dacia Spring!!!! ok not like these cars but 2 for 1 deal......

[@சென்]

Great Quality Review. But Missing Safety Tests and NCAP results of the cars reviewed.

[@AdamCiernicki]

0-60 in 7.4 sec is what my old Audi Quattro Sport V6 used to do. The difference is that I used to spend thousands on fuel + a good few hundred quid EVERY YEAR on servicing.

[@peterjones6640]

I have had an MG4 Trophy for 10 months, great value car ( especially on 0% interest PCP which I have), if they could just sort out the Lane Keep Assist ( which is a bit too enthusiastic-I generally switch it off). If they could bring out a 400 mile range model it would be a world beater!

[@mikadavies660]

I lease a Citroën E-C4 for £265/mth literally half the cost of HP payments. It is wonderfully comfortable and pretty practical as an all-around family car. The best part of it, is I've seen mint second hand models for sale at just £13,000.... Great value for something that like the Astra was massively overpriced new.

[@ISuperTed]

Astra’s below £30k new already and will continue to depreciate heavily. I don’t understand Stellantis’s policy putting these out at stupid prices that no one pays.

[@mikadavies660]

@ISuperTed Stellantis are bonkers adding £10,000 to a petrol model and calling it BEV. Batteries have already dropped 50% last year.. broken through the $100/kwh barrier and now dropped over 50% and are sitting at $46... So take out a £5,000 engine... add a £1,500 motor and a £2,500 battery pack...!! The sums prove they are taking the piss!! At worst BEVs are now equal in cost to ICE. But they are doing massive RRP and then devaluing by 60% in two years. Nothing wrong with a Corsa, Astra, Citroën but at the RIGHT price.

[@egm4305]

Would you rate the Citroen ec4 above the MG4? I'm considering buying second hand.

[@mikadavies660]

@egm4305 Interesting that you choose the MG4... I had a holding deposit on an Orange one... When I saw it and drove it... I asked for my deposit back. Fit & Finish is pure cheap & nasty. Seats are horrible and squidgy. Suspension is OK but brakes are weak. Citroën is no BMW, but it's seats are great. Suspension and brakes just right. Only negative is you need good quality mats as the carpet is a bit cheap. As for back to back comparison... I wouldn't have the MG if I won it for free.

[@egm4305]

​@@mikadavies660thanks, that's good to know. How do you find the range with the e-c4? I've heard it's a comfortable ride but I'll need to test drive one.

[@owrang9756]

The MG has a low rent look about it. I am happy with my ID3 and I'll be leasing another one. The 2024 versions come with the larger 12 inch screens. A survey of EV's has shown the MG as the most unreliable.

[@stefanweilhartner4415]

good review / comparison. either i wait for the skoda epiq or for the next version of the ID.3, which might be a Golf 9. for all these comparisons a deeper dive in the battery system might be helpful. it is important to know if the battery is module based, if it shares the same modules with other cars, what the cost for a single module is and what is the total repair cost if one module needs to be changed. this is something that drives me to VW. you can buy a single module online for only 2150€. but i don't know how much repair cost of the battery would be. VW only uses just a few variants and in 10 years from now there are plenty of 2nd hand modules available for a low price ( i guess easy under 1000€, maybe only 500€). that modularity gives me the necessary safety net of low battery repair costs. for people who give back the car after 3 or 4 years of leasing this is not relevant at all. but i am more oriented to second hand cars or keep it very long - beyond the warranty.

[@rogerphelps9939]

I have a Skoda Enyaq. It is brilliant. Wait for the Epiq and you won't go wrong.

[@fryke]

I was waiting and waiting for actual testing of the energy consumption. In my opinion, the Astra's not losing out there, and if distances simply cost less, that's a positive point both for the budget as well as our planet. I understand that we need 240 kWh batteries that charge in 3 minutes to persuade the holdouts, but in real life, people (at least more than 85% of them) don't drive more than 40 miles per day, so carrying around larger capacity batteries don't make actual sense. You also don't need a 0-62 mph figure that's very low to stand in traffic on your way to work or on your way home. But the ability of people to use reason with their 21st century brains has some people prefer a near 3 ton SUV with a 100+ kWh battery for in town use, and they probably charge it every night from 90-100%.

[@Dreador.]

Issue is though its priced less competitively so even if it was 4 miles per kWh and the other two were 3.5 doing 10,000 mpa is only going to save you 350 odd kWh which is £26 (7.5p per kWh) so hardly going to help recover anything. I get your point on the battery size but they here are not comparing the Astra to the standard MG 4 which actually has a smaller battery than the Astra 51v54. Finally from what I can see the MG4 already has LFP batteries where Astra does not yet... so on eco grounds MG4 would win if thats the case. PS I don't own a MG4 :)

[@fryke]

@@Dreador.you‘re joking, obviously. 7.5p per kWh. On long trips even. Fairyland travelling?

[@Dreador.]

@@fryke nope it’s what I pay my car can do 200 miles of range and I charge about 3 times a year on rapids and that’s only due to staycationing - you yourself argued most people don’t do more than 40 miles so yes in that scenario definitely 100% 7.5p on overnight home charger

[@palusisko]

When comparing multiple vehicles it's also good to mention safety where the MG4 fails for the rear passengers, in a frontal impact from 50km/h the crew in the back can break their necks and that's a shame. As for the front crew, only the ID3 has a central airbag to prevent serious head and neck injuries in a side impact.

[@martynmorris8160]

The MG4 is a five star Euro NCAP car.

[@palusisko]

@@martynmorris8160 The number of stars is not such important like the body damage maps. There you can see the neck injury level in red(!) color - the worst result can be... And MG4 doesn't have the middle airbag between front seats..(ID3 has)

[@Tsenngu]

@@palusisko And still it has 5 stars just like the ID.3 wich means the ID.3 Has other issues not good in other protection. Overall they both have the same protection "overall" so yes the stars ARE important. Would you have the best driver protection + pedestrian or the best backseat protection. Up to you :)

[@palusisko]

@@Tsenngu :-) It is not only about the doom of rear passengers but also front. The ID3 has airbag between front seats.. BTW I am very curious how the Chinese airbags will work after ten years.. Regarding MG4 I can say only one - good luck :-)

[@joystation1]

Good sensible reviews but Luke, please don't talk so fast, I can't understand what you're saying half the time.

[@stephenodonohue9876]

Like the channel guys. Luke... speak slower mate. Its sometimes hard to understand you because of your speed of delivery. Keep up the good work.

[@dougbamford]

Got an MG4 - good car, great value.

[@sargfowler9603]

Being Parkers, I would have thought depreciation might have been mentioned?

[@jondonnelly3]

Transformers, adverts in disguise.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Why? Most people will lease a new EV rather than buy it. Any depreciation would be for the leasing company to deal with.

[@sargfowler9603]

@@Brian-om2hh So nobody buys anything but new EVs?

[@JoeMcMorrow-k7e]

It is all about timing. I remember when unleaded fuel arrived and the holdouts complained you could not fill up anywhere. Best to hold onto those Leaded fuel items. This caused a temporary rise in their value as everyone had the same idea. Then soon after unleaded was a thing, you could not give leaded fuel cars away. And all the leaded fuel disappeared off the forecourts anyway. The same thing is happening here. At some point in the near future, diesels and petrols won't be worth their scrap metal value, but while the transition happens - people hold onto what they have, new car prices come under pressure to drop, dragging down buoyant 2nd hand ICE prices eventually.

[@TheSmallRabbit]

The Astra controls are similar to my BMW i3 .. I wonder if Vauxhall got inspiration from BMW. A physical volume control now that's just brill.

[@macroman54]

When discussing the prices you mentioned the MG4 extended range but showed a picture of the MG5🤔

[@raphi25895]

In Germany you can get the pro s id3 with big battery and 5 seats

[@martynmorris8160]

You can adjust the temperature and fan speed in the MG4 without taking your hands off the steering wheel. Can you do that in the other two??

[@michaelgoode9555]

The VW has voice control.

[@martynmorris8160]

@@michaelgoode9555 so does the MG in Trophy spec.

[@Djeseret]

Sure, but the main reason for that function is that there is no other good way to do it... Only the Astra offers this, where you can do it in three different ways, the others only offer two ways.

[@User-cb4jm]

In Australia, the MG4 apart from being the only of these 3 offered currently in October 2024, is going for AUD $30,990 driveway (£15,788) for the base model. If priced at £16k in the UK, it would be an absolute bargain.

[@MrAdopado]

The metric to use when describing charging speeds is roughly how many miles you can add in a given period of time. It is especially irrelevant to give the home charging time from empty to full when charging at home because nobody ever does that! Obviously a small battery charges quicker because it's putting in fewer miles!

[@stphnwheeler]

A good review. It wasn't too long ago when Astras were a very common site on British roads. What's happened. Perhaps, as mentioned in this review, the Astra is decent but an average all-rounder to be commanding a more premium price. For me: 1 - ID3, 2 - ID3 and 3 - Astra

[@bordersw1239]

They have the choice of a notorious 1.2 petrol engine or an EV whose value likely plummets like a stone if it’s anything like the e corsa. I really wouldn’t buy any EV new that come with a 3 year warranty.

[@danielstefanovic2604]

@@bordersw1239 Yeah whats funny vauxhaul had better cars when they were under gm, heck even the 7 year old ampera-e was a better ev then corsa e.

[@williamarmstrong7199]

SIAC make all the VW group cars for the Chinese market. Hence many of the parts used in all MG cars are from the VW parts bin. The MG5 is largly VW in all its parts MG dealers sell MG5 parts to VW owners. So many parts are identical in quality.

[@timaustin2000]

FINALLY someone talking about Monthly Finance! Just over £200pcm for an MG4 is a STEAL - even compared to an ICE car!! Take into account fuel savings and you're saving a fortune to drive it. So much for "Electric cars are too expensive".

[@jondonnelly3]

I would not drive it, even if it was 100 a month.

[@timaustin2000]

@@jondonnelly3 then you'd be a silly person.

[@Brian-om2hh]

@@jondonnelly3 It was on offer at £99 per Month a while back.....

[@JoeMcMorrow-k7e]

@@jondonnelly3 Give it another 3 years and you won't be able to buy anything new that isn't an EV.

[@rogerphelps9939]

@@jondonnelly3 There is no accounting for willful ignorance and stupidity.

[@tigertoo01]

You adjust b mode with the accelerator pedal

[@paulm5261]

ID3 should come out top… the driving and handling is superb!

[@curranhouse]

ID3 for me.. They need to add fan control and add macro buttons so you get to choose what you want to use day to day. on the ID.. video location, westonzoyland?

[@lookoutleo]

Thank you for sharing, that was very interesting

[@silverghini2629]

I had an iD3 Pro and I agree with all your points, especially the brakes which are the most disappointing part, particularly the transition from regen to normal braking - which is poor. Overall though, a thumbs-up.

[@oliverstemp9132]

You should mention that the Astra is good for tall people, the MG isn’t go good because if it’s high floor

[@michaelgoode9555]

I bought a used ID.3 1st Edition instead of a new MG4. The reality is that the MG4 is nowhere near as good inside, especially in the rear seats where we need good space and comfort for two adults. Also, what is that ridiculous phone shelf all about and why did it not have a centre headrest in the rear? Not a single second of regret.

[@brendansheehan7714]

They introduced a centre head rest in the 2023 model.

[@chrisrichmond403]

Out of those 3 it’s the ID.3 , That’s why i own one , I found the MG4 cramped in the rear & the lane assist is dangerous on any narrower roads than a motorway what on the one i checked out it could not be turned off .. With the ID.3 rear space is more generous & you can turn off the lane assist .

[@logant6490]

Your can turn off lane assist in the mg4. They've also recently done an update to make it less aggressive, with another one due in the autumn.

[@nbbluemoon1]

You can turn it off on the MG4 was a faff but with the latest software update it’s much simpler to do. You can also turn down the effects that it has if you want to keep it on.

[@chrisrichmond403]

@@nbbluemoon1 That does make one thing better at least .

[@dadycommunity2784]

MG4 is so much better to drive and there isn't much difference in the back at all. For the price the MG is the clear winner. LKA can be turned off but it's so none intrusive now it doesn't need to be.

[@drplokta]

You’ve always been able to turn off lane keep assist on the MG4, in all software versions. What you can’t do, because it would lose the five-start Euro NCAP safety rating, is turn it off permanently.

[@jfkelly0]

About to buy the mg4 xpower new for £25k. Some reviewers say it's nice to drive and corners well. But some say the xpower is rubbish around corners.

[@IanHaver]

We managed a brand new Astra Ultimate 33K, it pays to bargain and /or look around. based on this price i wonder what the outcome of this comparison would of been.

[@DrMAAMs]

The cars follow different strategies, the ID priorities on the battery to have changeable modules, that's put weight and lessen the range. But it's definitely more reliable and sustainable. Anything wrong with the MG4 battery will cause the replacement of the whole damn battery. I will not talk about the Astra as it's not a bespoke EV, which means loads of wasted legroom and practically poor weight distribution, and so

[@Mladjasmilic]

12:50 MG can charge 11kW, 3 phase (16A) or 7.4kW 1 phase (32A) VW can charge 7.4kW 2 phase (16A) or 7.4kW 1 phase (32A) For Astra, I do not know. Many Renault Models (Zoe, Megane) can charge up to 22kW AC, which might be important for those who road trip on much cheaper AC chargers. Also, for taxi, it is huge difference if the car can charge at 11kW AC. DC fast charge IS NOT SO IMPORTANT FOR 90% OF DRIVING

[@pauladams5673]

You quote net battery capacity for the VW & MG but gross for the Vauxhall, which is 51.

[@davidwood-c5m]

Got an mg4 trophy. Lovely car…..apart from an annoying whine at 45-55mph from the electric motor.

[@williamarmstrong7199]

When you get it serviced ask them to change your 1 liter of gearbox oil. That solved the problem on my MG5. The whine has come back so next service it is getting changed again. Now on 138,000 miles by the way and the battery is still on 100% SOH

[@loveclose]

Own the MG4 LR…..way more affordable than the VW or Astra. With road tax changes in 2025, one needs to consider whether the 40k stealth wealth tax will be applied to EVs. If so, then the MG4 is the absolute clear winner, with the more desirable higher spec options still way under 40k. MG4 is great fun to drive, and hasn’t let me down yet!

[@mikewilliams3384]

MG4 blows the VW and Vauxhall away and is a significant key nicer car to drive.

[@stepheng8779]

New Astra is incredibly efficient, I was impressed when I borrowed one, still won't get me out of my Kia.

[@bladerower9209]

Cupra Born is a cousin to the ID3. The Born is by far a better screwed together car. Even on a long run, it repays with 4.7kwh economy.

[@JurgenLahey]

I would chose the ID.3, but that's mostly because I find the MG4 an ugly and cheap looking car. I'm a bit biased though, I have an ID.3 and I absolutely love it. Actually have no problem with the steering wheel controls, they work fine for me. I'm also very happy it does not have full one pedal driving, it makes it easier to drive in heavy traffic and park in reality.

[@michaelgoode9555]

Seems a little odd to compare the pro ID.3 with the bigger battery, more powerful MG4 when there is an almost identical model from MG available. Reckon that the MG was loaded to succeed in this review which is disappointing because Parkers is supposed to be neutral. Clearly I was wrong.

[@timaustin2000]

It was neutral: they compared PRICES like for like. This is what you get for the same money. The MG is just significantly better value.😊

[@Mark_my_words_YT]

You are indeed wrong, the review compared similar price cars not battery size or motor power.

[@michaelgoode9555]

Anything sold cheaply to undercut is inevitably going to win on a test based solely upon price. Sort of renders the whole test pointless. Line up three cars: which is the cheapest? Winner !!!!! On this basis why doesn't everybody drive an MG, shop at Aldi and wear Primark clothing?

[@kendzo92]

Bit unrelated, but has anyone here had experience with Cupra Born? I know its basically the same car as ID3, but it looks much better imo and if I can find one for the same price as ID3, should I go for Cupra?

[@hairyporter6736]

Cupra doesn't have Matrix LED, (i think) no ID light (maybe in the new version?). So depending on your needs.

[@mrki412]

Matrix what?! ​@@hairyporter6736

[@Clarioner1]

I think you should have included the BYD Dolphin, and probably the Kona in this review. Other than that, agree with all the comments... Vauxhall are way behind the pack, as are Ford.

[@andrewcumming6319]

Id buy a Tesla model 3. Over here in Oz a model 3 is £28400. An MG 4 less than £20000.

[@jcfallows]

You can now buy new EV Corsa's and Mokka's from a main dealer for £20k & £23k I've seen an MG X power with 3000 miles for £26000, and the new Mégane ev 8000 miles for £23000, nobody should be getting stitched up with an EV at list price.

[@oliverstemp9132]

I liked the Astra more. But I think the Megane and Smart are even better

[@Romiman1]

The Astra is by far the most beautyful of these 3. Sadly it has so many flaws (high price, small battery, low power, front wheel drive, tight interior...).

[@rogerphelps9939]

The problem is that it was not designed as an EV from the bottom up.

[@Ray2000_1]

Other reviewers loved it on long term reviews

[@LegSpinna]

For me it's the Astra. But not at that price.

[@dodgywheelsandropeywiring5697]

Give it 6 months and it'll be half price or buy the real car version instead of the toy battery version. 🤣

[@dadycommunity2784]

why would you go for the worst model?

[@rogerphelps9939]

@@dodgywheelsandropeywiring5697 Clearly you are one of these ignorant petrolheads who doesn't care about what sort of world our grandchildren and future generaions are going tto have to live in.

[@xeroniris]

With that sticker price, the Astra makes no sense at all. I've got an ID.3 on order because i just really like the facelift version, but you have to respect the MG. A great car at a decent price.

[@giannisrousakakis696]

The astra is soo beautiful thoughh😍

[@showme360]

There so many 'ev reviews' with much the same verdic, so why don't you guys take a different stance, and compare them to fossil fuel cars. i.e. take the standard Golf, and compare it to the ID3. Or the 2 versions of the Vaxhaul Astra petrol and EV. Now that would be interesting to compare them with every day use. Specially so in the secondhand market!! Address the issues with charging without a driveway etc. I challenge you, no I dare you to try!!

[@rogerphelps9939]

I suggest any comparison like that also takes into account the environmental damage done. This would cover immediate damage due to NOx and CO emissions and then the contribution to global warming by emitted CO2. If you care about what sort of world your grandchildren are going to inhabit any EV will win hands down.

[@Itsallgoodtogo]

Still waiting for a usable family car in the 20k range.

[@JoeMcMorrow-k7e]

There are new EVs for sale on Autotrader in this price bracket. Like the Corsa and it's French face lift sibling the e208. Several Chinese variants will be arriving in the near future - if it gets to the UK, the BYD Seagull should be a great option.

[@simonpritchard472]

Citroen C3 on the way!

[@Bigstory68]

The ID 3 will never go anywhere near the 269 miles they claim . I have done 60 k miles on mine in all conditions & you will be lucky to get 200 miles

[@jamesmoore9915]

Why are they both carrying invisible carpets under their arms in the intro 😂

[@allinsiteUK]

Doesn't the MG have vehicle to load?

[@pjmann1950]

yes

[@chrismawby1805]

When I was looking for a EV last year the MG4 was the only one in my price range so I went for the SE long range, we love the car, there are one or two annoying things that would make it a better car. You need to set the driving modes every time you get in the car, the SE only has two speakers (front only)

[@cielo20]

Of corse you have android auto on the mg4

[@stuartbarker6668]

Luke needs to talk slower.

[@Tsenngu]

Top spec ID.3 here 2024 model is 33904.34£ Top spec MG4 Xpower 28461.99£ Why on earth get the ID.3 when you can get 4 wheel drive madness almost 5k cheaper

[@atlaspath5803]

VW is more reliable - when the MG gets old I really wonder how many issues it will have?

[@RichardNelson-h4b]

What an utterly stupid comment!

[@paulhayes2189]

I think your right and wrong. Granted 85% ppl.drive less than 40 miles a day...what percentage of ppl drive more than 100 miles once a week or once a fortnight. That's why ppl want a bigger battery

[@danielstefanovic2604]

Now that tesla slashed prices, a model 3 rwd is the better buy tbf.

[@JoeMcMorrow-k7e]

Agree, under £40k for 345 miles range and everything as standard up to and including heated and cooled perforated seats, matrix LED smart lights, etc.

[@peterarmstrong3853]

Bring on BYD!!! Astra is soooo overpriced 😂 you can buy a good spec volvo xc30 or the new cupra born! You have to mad to spend that on the ID3 or Astra

[@paddymckibbin3957]

Yes but because the Astra will depreciate most it will be best for value used

[@RetroReel9]

But the current lease offers on the Astra ev make it very competitive. £250 pm including maintenance.

[@peterarmstrong3853]

@@RetroReel9 but for a limit of 5k per year?

[@RetroReel9]

@@peterarmstrong3853 no, 8K. It's good deal imo.

[@AC_Milan1899]

MG4 all the way

[@ISuperTed]

Astra way below on this test. Massively overpriced and having that smaller battery is crazy. I have a Stellantis EV with this battery and you don’t get more than 200 miles range with it, less in winter. Poor effort.

[@ObiePaddles]

How come their efficiency is no better than a model Y?

[@fenegroni]

A combination of factors: the electric motors are not as efficient at higher speeds, some losses in the reduction gear, the aerodynamics are not as good which obviously shows once again at higher speeds, the electronics managing the battery (BMS) and the HVAC systems. If you were to test by switching off the HVAC and limiting maximum speed to 55mph though you wouldn’t find much difference, particularly in the UK summer. It really is just that EVs are so efficient that you do notice small differences, even the tyres make as much as 10% diffidence in acceleration and regen, particularly in the wet.

[@ObiePaddles]

@@fenegroni I was making the point that I’d expect smaller cars to be more efficient that bigger cars, especially an SUV sized cars. A golf would use less fuel than a Tiguan

[@fenegroni]

@@ObiePaddles you might want to look at the weights of the models in the test vs the model Y and read my reply again. You are not using the correct comparison method.

[@ObiePaddles]

@@fenegroni You are right the Pro S is heavy, almost my model Y weight. Not that you mentioned weight. All three cars are in a smaller class that my Model Y and still my Model Y is about 5% more efficient comparing real worlds results over 15000 miles to WLTP for ID3 My son’s Model 3’s real world consumption os 10% better than the ID3 WLTP We all know WLTP is 10-20% overstated. So their efficiency, weight for weight, is crap I did use ‘like for like’ cars so that must have some validity

[@capadosio]

BYD Dolphin is the best...

[@Lemming1970]

Could have given the conclusion, before I watched the video. European manufacturers need to do better...

[@Almogavar_Papi]

Hi my UK friends. I have made a long comment in Spanish in another Spanish video. Will be worth to you doing a Google translate of this: COMENTARIOS SOBRE MG4 MODEL STANDARD DE 51Kw, el más barato. Para comparar, pros que son en mi opinión de un coche de precio bastante o muy superior: -Calidad de materiales, -control desde el volante de audio, clima, -Android auto -Radar del ACC se ve chulo los coches camiones etc -Radar de marcha atrás marca los cm... son detallitos que son de un precio superior, al igual que los siguientes: -one pedal va de muerte -V2L -App que va bien -Apertura sin llave fantástico de bien. -Es de mayor tamaño al BYD -Autonomía menor al BYD 350km que reales seran 290 Máximo, eso si 51Kwh LFP (tecnología que no se degrada casi y es más segura, además se puede cargar al 100%. OJO que el único MG4 con batería LFP es el modelo Standard) y consumos parecidos -5 estrellas EURONCAP no como el Dacia que tiene una. Si te la pegas en un dacia se matan los ocupantes. -la dirección en ACC no la mantiene pero la distancia y velocidad del ACC muy bien y a mi no le molesta en absoluto el mantenimiento de carril -definitivamente ordenador de a bordo si que tiene -comportamiento dinamico me encanta una pasada -mucho pero mucho mas barato -las señales solo se muestran en pantalla sin avisos sonoros -aislamiento sonoro muy bien -menus bien traducidos etc Contras: pues es sencillo y en cosas se nota. -el android auto va por cable y funciona pero sencillito. Si lo conecto antes de que se enciende la pantalla se me bloquea. Pero sabiéndolo... El Apple Car Play perfecto. -El audio de altavoces es de calidad pésima -El servicio técnico depende de dónde igual no te fíes, a mí a pesar de pedirlo no me llegó con la última versión de software. - los elevalunas son eléctricos pero excepto el del conductor solo bajan automáticamente, para subir hay que mantener pulsado el botón. -no hay luces de cortesia en la parte trasera -Los retrovisores no son eléctricos -Los protectores de sol (no sé cómo se llaman) de conductor y acompañante no tienen espejo ni luz al bajarlos. Claro el navegador no calcula lo que le queda de batería y te dice dónde cargar, el mío no tiene, uso el Waze con android auto. Otros usan ABRP conectado con OBD II y parece que funciona. EN RESUMEN: SI TE PONEN LAS ÚLTIMAS VERSIONES DE SOFTWARE ya depende de lo pijo/a que seas. Los pros y contras ya te los he dicho, depende de si son más o menos importantes para ti... teniendo en cuenta el precio yo personalmente encantadísimo.con el MG4 standard.

[@MattyThomas86]

The Astra should be ruled out . Lowest power, smallest battery. And more £££

[@pmflima73]

Luke please talk slower, some of us aren't native English speakers and I'm not sure if you talk proper English.

[@kadiryildiz5909]

astra has a torsion beam

[@JoeMcMorrow-k7e]

ID3 as reviewed £43k???? I can get a new Tesla Model Y for £45k. The only thing that will save this car's sales is VW going broke giving them away on the finance. The Corsa starting at £43k as reviewed is also INSANE. However I have seen brand new Corsas on Autotrader for under £20k so worth having a look if you really must buy Vauxhall. Winner by a Country mile here is the MG. You would have to be out of your mind to consider anything else...

[@BernardSamson-hf6fc]

Without watching the video, I would choose MG4. Much better pricing. EV's are a full on scam, with prices. MG are nearer the working man's budget.

[@norwegianzound]

Not much of a test that quotes claimed ranges. I'm out.

[@yeshua-Political-Party]

🙏🏽🙌🏽🙏🏽🙌🏽

[@80y3r9]

Christ, has Loki lost his job/cloud

[@badhairday_247]

None of those hold a candle to a pre owned Tesla Model 3. Storage space is huge for a saloon.

[@Brian-om2hh]

Not everyone finds the Model 3 to offer the practicality they need. It has no hatchback.....

[@michaelgoode9555]

And a hatchback? Oh ... 🤔

[@brendansheehan7714]

The Model 3 is also a big car. Sometimes you want the smaller size.

[@MrAdopado]

No need for pre-owned, a new Model 3 RWD is under 40k ... comes with plently of bells and whistles, is quicker and more storage space despite the lack of hatch.

[@rogerphelps9939]

Wrong. Model 3 is outmoded. A toy car without much headroom.

[@aaalanwp]

dominated, thats a bit strong

[@80y3r9]

Why oh f'ing why are all headliners black now? Hire someone to design these things who isnt a divorced bloke hitting the gym again in his loft apartment 😒

[@thiagolima5232]

id3 love..best ev

[@ericedge2929]

Not even the best of these 3

[@rupertbear6883]

they do know mg is chinese??

[@alanwayte432]

Why does the longhair chap have to shout

[@Djeseret]

Astra wins... Because the requirement is to feel good behind the wheel... - if you feel bad... staying there, it doesn't matter if the car is free and can drive to the moon, it's still a disgusting experience. Then the Astra has the smallest battery and the lowest weight, which means it is the most efficient and doesn't waste resources, like the others who don't care at all if they waste.

[@timdale25]

The presenter talks far too quickly, calm down!!

[@vp272]

Astra/ Mg4 for me…. ID3 looks awful in the showroom without options.

[@silverman5691]

The best? The one who is still "good" after 400 000km

[@bikeman123]

They will succumb to rust long before 400,000km