Part 1: Computer Upgrades For Virtual Reality, Flight Simulator 2020

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

*Please note there is a part two as a follow on. I made a mistake and left one of the tests in DX12, Part two can be viewed here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZeyc4ipjtaHb9Usi=zoLCgiIV00QD_xsT

[@stevejones924]

How about a "Part 3 COmputer upgrades for virual reality flight simulator 2024?

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@stevejones924 absolutely mate, I can't wait till it drops so I can review everything so we know what to expect 😁

[@bigbangerz5856]

Came for VR now I want to learn more about coffee brewing 😂

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Hahaha, its a whole other rabbit hole.

[@peterpaul5820]

😂😂😂

[@JSmith73]

Yeah - what's with the single spray of water (?) before grinding? I have the Breville "dynamic duo" and mainly do espressos. Just load the beans in the grinder and go! 😅 Have a feeling you're several levels above me. I get my beans monthly from The Coffee Company, have my grinding settings recorded - and that's it. 😊

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@JSmith73 haha yea its getting pretty elaborate spritsing the beans. It's actually for a few reasons and the science behind it is actually pretty amazing. To complex for me to lay down on our chat here though. I mainly use it to reduce static, but a side product is it slight increases even extraction. Should search YT for James Hoffman on spritsing 😁

[@JSmith73]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs thanks mate, will do!

[@murfenator82]

Yes! We need more vr comparison tests!

[@lukebraddford3287]

Have the pimax with a 4090 and 7800x3d. Look very forward to your 9800x3d results. Subbed!

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

That's awesome mate thank you. Yea I'm really interested to see the difference if there's any to be had.

[@JSmith73]

Another combined flight+car rig TR160 user, what an awesome video. Have just about exactly the same PC, really looking forward to hearing your 9800x3d experiences.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@JSmith73 Oh no way how cool, you are running a similar set up. It's such a great chassis to build on. Mate I can't wait to pick up the 9800X3D, hopefully any day now. Will be interesting to see if there any benefits in upgrading for VR.

[@JSmith73]

@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs yeah, it's taken some effort but kind of got there! MTS Hotas left + swiveling right for the VKB GF Ultimate+ STECS, and the Crosswinds on an additional pedal plate on the floor (hard mounted to the rig sides - it has to be fixed) with 1-2mm clearance - and the Sprints on the elevated plate. Plus a bunch of other button boxes, MFDs, a UFC etc, along with a Fanatec shifter and the new HK HB, culminating with the SimCore mount for the DD1 under the integrated quad screen mount. Better not forget the transducers either! It's a crazy hobby all right. 😅

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

​@@JSmith73that is sounding pretty awesome 😊, crazy hobbie that's for sure.

[@PoorYurik]

Feels pretty surreal for us to be on the cutting edge of something none of us would have thought would be possible to own in our homes in our lifetimes. Can't wait for the Crystal Super and possibly a CPU upgrade if the new X3Ds are a big enough leap.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Mate it truly is such an amazing time. I can't believe we can have this level of tech in our own homes 😊, will hopefully have the 9800X3D to compare against the 7800 and 10900k very soon.

[@boatmanmcgee]

Just chilling here w a 7800x3D, 64gb ddr5, Quest 3 and a…3070. Dying for the new GPUs to release.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Oh man, it's going to be crazy to see what the new GPUs bring to the table.

[@scratchsescape1978]

I've been a Intel guy for a couple of decades now. Just ordered 9800x3d. Already have a 4090 and my focus now is on selecting a motherboard and RAM. Leaning toward an Asrock 870e Taichi lite with some 6000 RAM. It will be water-cooled operating a Varjo Aero.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Yea it's hard to deny the 9800X3D is an epic CPU. Great selection on Mobo as well 😁

[@1wordtroll]

Looking forward to seeing your results with the 9800X3D

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Yea I ant wait to test that and actually see if we gain anything. I get that all the reviewers test in 1080P to actually test the CPU by itself, they show it some test that in 4K you only gain a few FPS, however for us pushing our VR to the extreme, a few frames extra is worth every cent spent.

[@vivid_clarity]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs Not to mention people who use DLSS in VR will see huge gains since you are essentially lowering the resolution and upscaling it, making it more cpu limited. Curious to see what your frames are with DLSS!

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@@vivid_clarity Awesome comments mate and I will make sure this is parts of the tests I carry out next. I am looking at putting together a 14900K, 9800X#D and 9950X3D test bench so we can really put everything against each other with lots of different settings.

[@vivid_clarity]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs Awesome looking forward to it!

[@get_outdoors]

You just got a new sub, 12900+4090 here easy option is the move too 14900 but I don’t expect any great gains, just ordered a 9800x3d + gigabyte x870e MB from Amazon UK, there’s a two month wait for delivery so plenty of time to see how things pan out with MSFS 2024. Looking forward to seeing more of your comparisons 👍

[@xxPYROxxJONESxx]

Excellent video concept

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Thanks mate, appreciate that comment :)

[@Simmymind360]

Yes mate, I have 4090+14900kS very solid..I set Pimax to 72 hz..Pimax XR and still use open XR toolkit..runs smooth, using DLSS on Quality.I get nice 72hz and with TAA get around 55-60 fps..still it is fine once in the Air my settings I get from VR Sim Guy..his an Englishman ..won't hold that against him lol..I will send my settings later in week

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Awesome info mate appreciate it, Yea I know his channel well, good bloke and great content. I often use his settings as well. Very solid system you have as well :)

[@Simmymind360]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs Yes indeed..what part of Australia? If you don't mind

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@@Simmymind360 Perth, WA :)

[@robskey]

First time here you are geat KZbinr...

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Wow thank you, really appreciate your comment mate 😁

[@gizmo104drives7]

This channel is too cool

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Thanks mate 😊

[@AlexeiWatson]

I just sat down with a fresh brew from my bianca v3 - thinking I'd see if there's any content for my iracing with PSVR2... what a suggestion from the algorithm!

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@@AlexeiWatson Awesome mate, glad you found this video. Nice machine by the way 😁

[@AlexeiWatson]

@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs yours as well!

[@Eskoxo]

eh kinda want to see msfs 2024 version before upgrading as supposedly they fix multi threading in that version so all cpus should get some massive gains

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

I can't wait, fingers crossed mate.

[@stachowi]

I'm counting down the hours for MSFS 2024... do you get better performance with the Display port directly? I'm using Quest 3 with WiFI 6E and viritual desktop. Waiting to see if Foveated rendering will be supported in the future, then i will upgrade my headset.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@@stachowi You do get better performance with the DP port. The Q3 with a solid WiFi6 AP or router and a 4090 is still solid though 😁

[@stachowi]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs i want to get the Pimax Crystal but i'm going to wait and see how well they optimized the sim (CPU multi threading), i have the 7800x3D, 64GB DDR5, and 4090 GPU... all the reviews so far say they've focused on performance, so we'll see.

[@stachowi]

i don't see a need to upgrade the the 9800x3D yet, but i'm hoping you can pop it into the same Mobo socket.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@@stachowi I have purchased the per-release of FS2024 mate, as soon as I can get my hands on it I will do a review in the Crystal, we are pretty much running the exact same PC specs.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@@stachowi Yea you sure can mate, it will go straight in. I am going to upgrade to it just to test the real world difference for us VR enthusiast. Standby for that upcoming video as soon as mine arrives.

[@nemisis_wolf]

Great choice of topic! hardly ever see comparisons of AMD/Intel or AMD/AMD ect for the flight sim peeps. DCS is a complete CPU Hogg and It would be great to see if the X3d Chips help more than the Higher Hz pure grunt Intels. DCS is not a game it's a physics simulator with all the bullets rockets missiles AI ground and air assets all being calculated using the in game Physics and not a random dice roll it really pushes CPU's to the limit and is definitely in need of more CPU grunt than GPU. MSFS while it does use a lot of CPU power it is more dependant on GPU for it's visuals and does not have to calculate the ballistic trajectories of thousands of bullets and rockets over the entire map like DCS does. Saving up for my own new PC rig and I'm going for the 9950X3D and 5090 when they come out, will probably be March before it's all together so I'm super excited about that, but in the mean time I'm ordering the kit from VPForce for the FFB Rudder conversion of the MFG Crosswinds! Got to keep myself busy after all😜

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Yea that was what I was finding when looking online, all the test are 1080P and I understand why, they need to actually test just the CPU. We are such a niche in a niche community that this topic does not get the coverage. I might even look at spinning back up my 10900K, a 14900K on a test bench as comparisons.We have the 5090 soon and that is also on my radar. Mate the VPforce rudder conversion looks amazing, will have to let me know how that goes :). Appreciate your input and comments as always mate :)

[@NegativeROG]

I have the facebook one, the Oculus Rift. No pluses, no numbers, just the Rift. It works, I used it years ago when I bought it 2nd-hand. Is it a viable headset now, or is it unusable? I could always make a fake facebook acct, I suppose. I was blown away by it, and have a spare water-cooled gaming PC with a pair of VR-ready RX 5700s (flashed XT BIOS on both). Am I in good shape or TSOL? Thanks! P.S.: I'm asking because my wife has never seen VR, and If I could get her onboard, it would be a lot easier to spend that kinda money upgrading past the Rift.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Yea mate I think its still viable, having said that though, the software is really good these days like, XR Toolkit and alike to allow us to really push the headsets. If your wife has never seen VR, purchase The Blue from the Steam store and put her ion that. Will blow her mind as long as she is not scared of the ocean. Hopefully that blows her mind and you have a green light to upgrade :)

[@NegativeROG]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs Awesome, thanks for the advice! And she's a natural-born swimmer...

[@Simmymind360]

Don't worry mate.. Aussie makes Good Coffee,it just how we operate 😅

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@@Simmymind360 haha thanks mate.

[@jacopocec]

Hi, Does it make sense to use a graphic card of the same brand and not a 4090 maybe more compatible with intel CPU ?

[@JSmith73]

That's not quite how it works. Basically, no. The problem is that the Intel CPU can't feed the GPU with a smooth stream of data, it's struggling to keep up. The L3 cache of the 7800X3D can keep most of the critical object data close at hand, so it rarely faces the same constraints - it's just a far more efficient architecture for these kinds of computations.

[@jamesm568]

I personally find using AMD hardware for VR to not be efficient enough. Nvidia matched with a Intel CPU may not produce the best frame rates, but it sure is a whole lot smoother than laggy AMD hardware.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

What specs are you comparing this to mate? Really interested to know. I am thinking about building a 14900K test bench to also compare the 7800X3D, 9800X3D and the incoming 9950X3D in the new year. From my test here, the 7800X3D seems a better option.

[@jamesm568]

@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs I'm going to stick with a 9800X3D as my computer is mainly used for flight simulators. None of the new Intel hardware didn't cut it this time around. A 4090 with a 9800X3D and 64GB of 6400MT/s RAM seems to be the best bet for now.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@@jamesm568 Yea I agree mate. I was so close to buying the 285K, was pretty disappointing. I thought I really needed it as I run a lot of stuff in the background while flying and filming. I am really looking forward to testing the upcoming 9950X3D.

[@jamesm568]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs I got a sneaky suspicion the 9950X3D might outperform the 9800X3D this time around. I could be wrong though.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@@jamesm568 Yea didn't the last gen CPU's have issues parking the cores or assigning the correct ones for the 3DV cache? I hope so as well, that would just be an epic CPU if it can multi task and game hard with that lvl 3 cache.

[@Thomas_Voland]

Why motion compensation isn't working in your rig when the game is not run via SteamVR?

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Yea it does mate, it either hooks with SteamVR or Natively with OpenXR, my recording in game is also a direct VRveiw capture from Steam. I was having issues at the time with the Native OpenXR motion comp.

[@Ulster-Fry-777]

motion compensation is way off on my H2 unless i use steam vr. ive stopped using my H2 now. awsome video tho. and now subscribed. for the future planned comparison.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

​@@Ulster-Fry-777 yea it can be a real pain to get working. Have you tried the new Intellimotion AI, feature in the latest SRS Beta?

[@Ulster-Fry-777]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs no, i didnt know about it. will def try in the morn. many thanks

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@@Ulster-Fry-777 let me know how you go.

[@Syntax_-_Error]

comparing dx11 side by side with dx12 is misleading and bordering misinformation tbh. "single threaded DirectX 11 has high draw call overhead compared to DirectX 12". (source: intels cpu vr perf analysis)

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

Oh man..... I didn't even realise I'd left it on DX12, i was running some other test, standby. I will spin up a supplementary video today in DX11. Honestly appreciate the comment mate, misleading content is certainly not what I'm about. I'll reply back her one complete so you can watch it.

[@Syntax_-_Error]

@@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs dislike retracted :) no worries. mistakes happen. waiting for the new upload, to see the difference. there is at the moment varying results in vr communities im in, so trying to get the real picture is hard, and probs takes couple of months to see in which situations the new cpus are the strongest and where their weak spots might be? thanks for taking part in bringing out the information. much appreciated.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@@Syntax_-_Error Mate I really appreciate your feed back and comments, just editing the video now :) Spoiler, I can notice it being a little more smooth in DX12, having said that though, you can still see an improvement with the 7800X3D over the 10900K. Video should be live in 1 hour, I will report back here once ready.

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

@@Syntax_-_Error Hey mate, video is live kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZeyc4ipjtaHb9U

[@andreaf.5145]

🤣

[@peterpaul5820]

They should bring back sli/ crossfire for VR, one card per eye, can you imagine 😅

[@LimitlessHorizonVRSimrigs]

That would be epic