Part 2. Non pressurized basket + Hario Skerton

Used 16,5g of espresso roasted beans.
Double non pressurized basket
Standard M8 lock nut.

[@sanaraheem5000]

Everything is so shiny and clean

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Thank you very much))

[@nssbrkd5vll215]

Thank you for sharing your experience with us and for informing us 😊❤️👏

[@mohamedfaroukbalouli7809]

That actually looks fancy!

[@leinie2317]

Your set up is so smart, the dosing cup/funnel is so genius!

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Thanks for watching =)) Very glad to hear that

[@ponger5315]

The ending was worth waiting for! Very satisfying! 😃 I see you are pressing the button until done. I didn't know you could do this! Is it a special setting? Thanks for the video! I learned so much! 😄☕

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

It’s a brewing time setting. Water flows while pressing the button and save this volume (not time). After this you can press shortly for the same result with same ground.

[@yew-thongteo7335]

I discovered this too that it is by volume and not timing. I weight the portafilter before and after. For example if the weight increase by 25g and I want 40g output of coffee, I have to program 65g of water out. The timing is around 14s with empty portafilter.

[@yew-thongteo7335]

@@GreenBeanCoffee Any idea if you use an empty portafilter, what is the timing and the amount of water out?

[@tucylindrus]

Well done, and it looks amazing coming through the bottomless portafilter. I just ordered a nonpressurised basket for my Dedica, waiting for it to come in. Have you found it relatively easy to pull consistent nonpressurised shots with the Dedica? Or does it vary?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

I think Dedica is not as stable as Marzocco, but repeatability is reasonably possible. In the presence of a good coffee grinder, accurate weights, compliance with the entire sequence.

[@elkabras]

12:57...poetry in motion!!

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Thank you very much))

[@mrthomasyip]

Hi, thanks you for your dialing in video with your Hario grinder. I got the Skerton Plus recently and it seems like the burr is wobbling although it still able to give very fine grinding. Can I check with you, what is your target parameters as i am seeing you trying to hit 35g of espresso at a duration of 28~30sec.

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Hi! My start target is ratio 1:2 of espresso in 25-35 sec. It depends on all around: beans, humidity, air temperature, air pressure, my mood, subjective perception of taste

[@Daniel-dl6fp]

Hi i have a unpressurised basket for my delonghi dedica ec685 and a kg79 grinder at the start i got really good shots but over time the shots got vert fast and spits everywhere and it was on the finest setting since i got it so i knew my grinder was bad so i got coffee grinds at a caffe and it choked my unpressurised basket if the grinds were just a tad coarser id say i would have got a good shot i got the unpressurised basket from amazon do you think my basket is not good or do i need a coarser grind thanks

[@mikw1809]

Good video, it makes sense now why my Sage Barista in my primary residence creates a good tasting espresso, and why the Delonghi Dedica in my holiday shed doesn't. Tamping pressure seems to have less less sensitivity on the Delonghi ( the supplied plastic tamper, what a joke that thing is ), and it didn't occur to me before that it's the single hole in the basket that was creating the pressure. Gonna get a non-pressurised basket, and a proper tamper. Hope it solves the issue, but I just get the feeling that it won't ever be as good as the Sage, the pressure guage is a good indicator of grind size and tamp pressure.

[@johnmightymole2284]

You are just showing off, you think you are better than everyone else but I know at least four people who are better than you.

[@bbatuhankaya]

Hey there! I've the same combination, which is delonghi dedica and hario skerton plus. I have a question. Does the scale do its job properly, does it weigh truly and does it fit to the small place delonghi have under the portafilter? Cause I've seen this scale before and unfortunately not ALL the legs of it (the ones on the buttom where you should put on a flat surface to weigh accurately) would sit on the small place the machine has. What I wonder is even not all the legs sit on that place, does it weigh reliably? Thanks a lot.

[@barcelonanovosti1]

Hi is pressurised or unpressurised good for crema ???

[@aamirh8879]

can you make a video of how you cut the portafilter- a fine job btw

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Unfortunately no. I don’t have any portafilter I can cut

[@g74223]

where did you order your non pressurized basket and what kind is it? I'm trying to find a good one for mine. Also, can you tell the difference in the quality of shot when using the pressurized vs non pressurized?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

The my one from ebay. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Coffee-Cup-51mm-Non-Pressurized-Filter-Basket-For-Breville-Delonghi-Krups/302231088112?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 I can say it works! Also you can see it with good grinder here kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJ23npKEo7ith9E On the Amazon with portafilter. www.amazon.com/dp/B08F9BL4HQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_t1_jDf2FbY5XG3WW

[@OneShotKiller1996]

Thank you so much sir I just got the dedica and i didn’t know hand grinders can grind fine enough for espresso Question sir, what’s the second hand grinder you got that’s next to the milk pitchers ? And do you recommend it more than the hario ? Thanks again for making the video

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Thank you very much for comment and sorry for the late answer. The second grinder is the Comandante C40. And yes... itis much better than Hario... but more expensive. It has really good burrs and click system for adjustment.

[@OneShotKiller1996]

Green Bean Coffee Unfortunately I already got the Hario and I can’t say I’m disappointed 😂 I appreciate you responding thanks alot ❤️

[@mistercat7731]

Hi! How long did it take to grind on this coffee grinder? Thanks

[@fred_ed926]

wow great video! What basket did you use and how did you cut the portafilter? I need this set up soooo badley.. there is just no way to make great espresso with a pressurised basket.

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Hi! It is double basket from China (eBay). The portafilter was cut with an angle grinder. It’s not difficult.

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Here is a link to basket seller www.ebay.com/itm/302231088112

[@kadettification]

Great video ! Could you do a dedica & comandante one, pleaaase 😉 ?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Hi! Yes, I can. I’ll try to make it soon

[@annagp8878]

I have already bought bottomless porafilter on aliexpress. It needs different grind than regular dedica portafilter or different pressure with temper? with nacked portafilter my espresso with the same coffee has no foam or deLongi has problems to make it (no water is floating).

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Right way! Yes, it need other grind because in this non pressurized basket, the pressure resistance is created only by the coffee tablet. Each kind of coffee beans need own grind. Not very fresh beans are a common reason for shot without the crema

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Try to find fresh coffee from the roastery. It may cost some 30-40e per kilo. If you are from Poland, there is a good roastery.

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

The world’s best barista 2018 is Agnieszka Rojewska

[@LuisMesaOfficial]

what is the right size of the bottomless portfilter for this delonghi ec680?, i´m looking for one.

[@gkadam91]

@@LuisMesaOfficial 21mm basket

[@HybridFox_Ava]

Which is better taste coffee? Comandante grinder or that one?

[@kaypee1972]

Nice and almost scientific approach. How many seconds/minutes/hours does it take to grind with the Hario for 1 cup of espresso?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

It took 1.5-2 minutes. But I don't use Hario anymore. Even for the V60. Ceramic burrs is not good. It gives chance to make an espresso but it difficult and unrepeatable

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Comandante is much better. And Timemore pretty good to

[@kaypee1972]

@@GreenBeanCoffee thanks! Use myself Eureka Mignon electric grinder. Hario is meant for a present for someone who drinks occasionally Espresso with pre-ground so this should be an upgrade. 1,5-2 min should be manageable. The Comandante is hardly anywhere available in Germany / back order and goes for 250€ or more.

[@renanks1405]

Does the coffee taste sour? I have the same gear of you (grinder and Machine), and my coffee always taste sour. Tried many ways but I can’t fix the sourness of the coffee

[@renanks1405]

Is it possible to get the same final result without a m8 locknut?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

try another coffee. Some Brazil for example

[@renanks1405]

Green Bean Coffee I’m from Brazil. Have great coffees here, already discover the problem, it was the grind size. But thanks for answering

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

You are best! Thanks for discovering and trying!

[@willsmith475]

All his equipment versus my kcup? I would all ready drink coffee by the time he started grinding.

[@mauricioangulos.2830]

There's no need to cut off the pressurized portafilter, you can buy a 51mm open portafilter online for a few bucks

[@Lowie0000A]

I'm getting really confused about all the different timing discussions. I know it's only a starting point and matters more for a good reference but you start counting from hitting the button right? You include the pre infusion time to the final shot of 28 seconds. Thanks in advance. Small remark -> this is by far the best cut off portafilter job I have seen 👌

[@kingleon5359]

James Hoffmann has a separate video where he talks about timing. In conclusion "better to start timing from hitting the button with the pre infusion included as long as you're a beginner and not experienced with different tastes and notes in different timing" , I hope it helps

[@Lowie0000A]

@@kingleon5359 many thanks for sharing this info!

[@kingleon5359]

@@Lowie0000A sure 👍

[@stefford681]

Did you cut the portal filter with a cnc milling machine? Its looking pretty nice

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

No! With an angle grinder machine. And sand paper too.

[@twowheeledsmurph]

@@GreenBeanCoffee Well done!

[@fauzanazhima]

Hi there, thanks for the video. I have the same ec685, but using the unpressurized basket, there is almost no crema. Beside that the water flow are not very stable, there are holes that water cant come out, do you know this kind of problems came from grind size/temperature/quality of the beans... (I've used freshbeans also).. Thanks..

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Very very good question. My experience tell me that crema depends on beans freshness and quality. If you take freshly roasted beans for espresso, I think you must to get the good crema. Because crema is just indication how much CO2 coffee contains. Small roastery or buy some espresso beans from good caffe.

[@cinemafpv2442]

Hey some things to consider. Your beans have to be fresh to get crema. It sounds like you have a channeling problem. its really important that u distribute the coffe evenly before you tamp. Here is a good Video about that. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m5OvY55-pt-spac

[@labortextile921]

If you change the basket to unpressurized you have to change the water pressure which is designed to the original pressurized basket.

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Maybe... Unfortunately I don’t know what pressure is in the brewing camera. Here is a 15 bars pump. Between pump and brewcamera is pressure regulator. I think and I hope it has to be about 9 bars. Required resistance makes by ground level

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Excellent answer

[@hoskote09]

I was trying to use the M8 lock nut, but it stops after a few turns as the plastic at the top doesn't having any threading to allow the nut to go through, i think am missing something... Could you please explain how did you get the nut to go all the way through?

[@IonutCosminOncescu]

you have to force it, use the wrench and apply more force until the plastic goes on the thread

[@brad_bohannan2121]

can you include a link as to where you got the non pressurized basket?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Hi! The my one ebay.us/LQGWGP

[@ligeiro6620]

Hi bro I want to ask if using lower dosage like 14 grams will the espresso be too fast? Did you try different dosages? Thank you

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Yes. I tried)) Marked on the basket dose is the best dose I think. Then you buy basket here is information about dose.

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

of course it depends on much parameters. But I recommend to start with the declared dose

[@ligeiro6620]

@@GreenBeanCoffee sometimes my machine chokes but I think its not the dose that is the problem... i have to flush completely before starting a new shot. Thank you for your reply 👍🏽

[@boywithkanjibag]

Wait .. if I don't want to do the locknut hack how many notch turn do I need for the skerton? 2? 3?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

it depends on the density of the beans, roasting, temperature, humidity, how new are the burrs and their balance and more of another factors. For one of my coffee it is 1.5, for second - 1, for third - 2.

[@SuperMatrix59]

You got to get an electric grinder 19g to maybe 24g not so course problem solved. The tamping might be too hard one push shine?? Oh and about 22 to 25 tops just saying :)

[@azndoodle1]

Did you have to reprogram the single and double shot button for water output? Or how long do you hold the button for?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Yes, they are adjusted. I choose right dose and right grinder adjustment. After that I have programmed the duration of the water spill for the same result every time.

[@azndoodle1]

@@GreenBeanCoffee Im still an amateur so having the correct tramping and dose are still uncertain variables for me. So I'm wondering how I long my single and double shot button should be reprogrammed to without the factors of my coffee in place?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

I don’t understand what you mean. Factory setting?

[@morarcristian7660]

Bravo👏

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Thanks =)

[@Aratubes]

My problem with standard same machine is coffe puck are hard to come out.. but still not brave enough to cut my portafilter..

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

you mean problem with standard pressured basket?

[@Aratubes]

@@GreenBeanCoffee yes. The stock pressurized basket..

[@orlandesgoh5257]

i did that to my 680, extraction was horrible...no crema its was literally just dripped coffee. any advice?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Please try to find fresh espresso roasted coffee from nearest roastery. And than you see miracle! I sure

[@diobrando6347]

hello i have the KRUPS XP3440 similar machines with yours, i am thinking to do this process like you for better coffes, but i want you to tell me if worth it the results in taste. if i cut my portafilter there is no way back :P

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Hi! Sorry for waiting. I don't know about this machine. Is there a pressure valve in the portafilter or in the basket? It may be different story.

[@diobrando6347]

@@GreenBeanCoffee its exactly like yours !

[@moisespessoa2]

Good job! Are there any difference between Hario Skerton and Hario MSS-1 slim? I'm currently using a bodum grinder (not fine enough to use a non-presurized basket) with the same coffee machine and scale that yours and steel tamper.

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

There are difference. The wheel is more stabilized. MSS-1 has "click" adjustment system. I think the MSS-1 a little bit better, but it has too ceramic burrs. Stainless steel burrs are better.

[@matiasdeambrosi7893]

Hi there! Thinking of getting an electric grinder for this machine. Not feeling to spend more than 200 dollars. What would you reccomend? I am ussing double non-press basket. Thanks!

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

If you make coffee for 1-2 persons i highly recommend to try handgrinder comandante C40. Grinding time for 16-17g - 30-40sec. Price 230€... expensive, but i don't regret buying. I also have wilfa svart with conical steel burrs(not recommend) and commercial grinder for small cafe - Fiorenzato f4 e nano with flat burrs 58mm. But price from 450€. I don’t think that is possible to get some electrical grinder for espresso below 200$

[@matiasdeambrosi7893]

@@GreenBeanCoffee Hey! Thanks for your quick reply! Yep I'm still not sure if either getting a really good manual grinder like comandante or an electric grinder to save the manual grind in the mornings.. I was thinking in getting the Breville the Smart Pro wich is 200 in Amazon. Have you ever tried it? Or know someone that has?

[@motion5810]

Matias Deambrosi hey, you could look for a sette 30, Baratza is selling a refurbished one for 195. “It’s A Great electric espresso capable grinder

[@matiasdeambrosi7893]

@@motion5810 Hi there! Thanks for the suggestion! Where did you found the offer? Thanks!

[@motion5810]

Matias Deambrosi sorry for the late reply! On the Baratza site

[@azndoodle1]

Can you share where you bought the unpressurized basket?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Hi! Yes of course. www.ebay.com/itm/Coffee-Cup-51mm-Non-Pressurized-Filter-Basket-For-Breville-Delonghi-Krups/302231088112?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

[@jamesmcconnon2]

Hiya, what scale is that, that you use on the machine itself please. Thanks

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Hi! The black one is www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354224100983?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=MpxFX55VRpq&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

[@jamesmcconnon2]

@@GreenBeanCoffee Thankyou very much!

[@michkanm]

What tool did you use to cut portafilter ?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Hi! Masking tape, angle grinder, sandpaper

[@danielgueorguiev89]

What temperature setting do you use?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Hi! I made the temperature test and choose the 1:st temperature setting. It makes 93-94 degrees WITH coffee in basket. Yes, I put the sensor into the basket =). The second temperature setting makes about 97 degrees. But... of course it depends on taste

[@ClaudineBJimdar-RoweCV]

I’d say it’s the teacher editions. In this variations in white gloves.

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

😂

[@fahdaltarboush6342]

which coffee beans have you used in the video?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

In this video, I used beans from a local roast. Try the freshest you can find. Any coffee from the mass market does not give a normal result.

[@fahdaltarboush6342]

@@GreenBeanCoffee Thank you 😊

[@percyplay5]

Where did you get your non-pressurised basket?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Hi! I got it from China by eBay

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

www.ebay.com/itm/Coffee-Cup-51mm-Non-Pressurized-Filter-Basket-Tools-For-Breville-Delonghi-Krups-/373077396036?hash=item56dd254a44

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Note that you also need bottomless portafilter

[@joeldurand861]

Alguien en español que me diga si emtendi bien, quitó los pasos del molino para poder modificarlo de manera mas precisa?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Sí. Pero me di cuenta de que esto tampoco ayuda mucho. Este molinillo no es adecuado para espresso. La molienda es muy inestable. Aconsejaría mejor comprar Timemore Chestnut C2

[@grasuwashere]

Please Tell me when you start counting. Thx

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Hi! Counting starts then I push the button

[@grasuwashere]

@@GreenBeanCoffee Thank you very much

[@olegdenisov7446]

👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻☕

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Благодарю =)

[@olegdenisov7446]

@@GreenBeanCoffee ☺️👍🏻

[@bomaomaar3579]

how about before you put or modified it with the lock nut, you try just 2 clicks? 1 click was too fine as I showed on the video, but how about 2 clicks? i just wonder. cause I still don't understand the modification you did

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

after so many tries, I can say this Hario is not good to make an espresso. I tried the Comandante C40 and grinder from China - Timemore. They are much better than Hario with ceramics burrs.

[@bomaomaar3579]

@@GreenBeanCoffee oh shoot, sadly I have one at home and planning to buy a home espresso machine (unpressurized portafilter). May I know why it's not that good for espresso? I found that at 1 click it is very fine tho, even finer than storebought ground coffee.

How clicks or nutch turns ?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

it depends on coffee and more other

[@manyak0]

Can you give link to coffee basket? Is it aliexpress basket?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Hi! Of course I can =) It's from ebay, but it comes from China. And also I have to say, you need remve the black plastic part (distributor) from portafilter. Or cut portafilter. www.ebay.com/itm/Coffee-Cup-51mm-Non-Pressurized-Filter-Basket-For-Breville-Delonghi-Krups/302231088112?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

[@ajimzafran9429]

@@GreenBeanCoffee Hi, do you know whre i can find non pressurised portafilter or the bottomless portafilter that pour perfectly. I've bought online and it didn't pour nicely.. I've also use the dedica ec685.

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Hi. Actually I bought the original ordinary portafilter (not a basket) and I cut off the bottom. On eBay is very much variation of bottomless portafilter. For example www.ebay.com/itm/164387447807. Or do you mean just basket?

[@carlosoricchio]

Did you notice a difference in taste? the non-pressurized basket is worth using

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

it's like playing the violin. With non pressurized basket you have much more variations and more control. The coffee machine is only a tool. Good Taste needs good Ingredients. I prefer to non pressurized.

[@marcelinhodossantos6982]

Has anyone the links for Amazon to buy these things?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

www.amazon.com/dp/B08F9BL4HQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_t1_jDf2FbY5XG3WW

[@felixgagnon1872]

I just got my non pressurize basket and im not able to get crema, my stream under dont connect together. Would you be able to help me? Grinder delonghi dedica

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Hi! Can you show me what exactly happens?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

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[@GreenBeanCoffee]

I saw your videos. It looks like too coarse grinding.

[@felixgagnon1872]

@@GreenBeanCoffee thx! I’ll look how i can qjust that🙌

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

You can show me your results again. Do you have a scale? Did you get any instructions from seller with your non pressurized basket? How many grams of coffee do you use in each portion?

[@adamdaya6041]

Great! but how to determine the start point?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

For example, reduce grinding in an empty coffee grinder until rotation stops. Or you can choose for yourself any other starting point from which grinding will be regulated. The main thing is to leave the remaining parameters unchanged. That is, to adjust only one parameter during the setup process.

[@adamdaya6041]

@@GreenBeanCoffee thanks mate

[@garyhilton656]

What basket do you have?

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Hi! www.ebay.com/itm/Coffee-Cup-51mm-Non-Pressurized-Filter-Basket-Tools-For-Breville-Delonghi-Krups-/373077396036?hash=item56dd254a44 you also need bottomless portafilter

[@chaiyamahaiya2830]

But can it run minecraft?

[@stayfastayfa7906]

Grinder😏

[@SpencerLupul]

unfortunately my hario skeleton has an M6 rod, not m8 😂

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Hario has many different coffee grinders.

[@tonypoch]

I cant get any creamer with mine!

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

For the result like mine I take freshly roasted for espresso good quality coffee beans. With a beans from market I can’t get good results too

[@facundogonzalez6661]

7:54 song??

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

New Day - Tokyo Music Walker

[@facundogonzalez6661]

Thanks!

[@andrewberry6546]

Still too many variables you cant control on this machine

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

But it is like art or magic =))

[@ksk8472]

Hario Skerton is look like not so smart. so many tools and step to turn up coarseness .

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

Yes. It is not very good for espresso. But it is cheap (maybe cheapest) way to do it. It is my first grinder in my espresso story. Also I have handgrinder Comandante C40 and electrical Fiorenzato F4e nano. Of course they are more technology and smart. But prices.... 230€ and 450€

[@ksk8472]

@@GreenBeanCoffee I use timemore C2, it was 59.3€,but I'm not sure is it the best one. I using EC685 same with you, and thinking refit a new milk steamer tube to it, the original one is so hard to make a latte art for me. I had seen your Delonghi Dedica milk frothing, nice technical and make me so surprise it can do a nice milk foam .

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

👍🏻 very good! I ordered also Timemore Chestnut C2 for my dad! It’s looks like my Comandante. But I’m not sure about materials quality. How long do you use this grinder? Is it well made?

[@ksk8472]

​@@GreenBeanCoffee C2 is my first grinder used around half months, but I feel it's great, can make coffee size fine and easy to turn, I'm not sure is it made very fine but feel good. I choose Italian Steel grinding core, I think it should be keep sharp for a long time.

[@user-nd9pj3cr1q]

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[@barskuleli8612]

Exaggerated too much. I am sure you can't understand the difference with a blind tasting. This is only a show...

[@GreenBeanCoffee]

I am just learning =)) and I like it =)