Part 2 - Replace Pendant Light Fitting With One That Doesn't Need A Ceiling Rose

This video describes how to go about replacing a traditional pendant light fitting with one that does not require one, such as the more modern spotlights.

[@lisarogers6084]

I wanted to say a massive thank you for this tutorial, my husband and I were flummoxed by the instructions we had with our new light, your video was so clear we managed to replicate it and have a lovely light now, thank you again LJ

[@richardhoulston4140]

Just completed it after watching your video Artoo, no need for an ambulance or electrician, you beauty, 5 stars. Thank you

[@SUKIE6]

Thank you so much for this, my girlfriends has been on to me to put up a new light in the dinner room, I’ve put up lights before in the house but none like this lay out. I must of watched this 16 times! Till I felt confident enough to do it, thanks again 😊

[@keithhappy23]

Have just replaced two ceiling rose light fittings with more up-to-date flush fitting lights. This video and the other one detailing the existing wiring of the ceiling rose were invaluable. I even purchased some clip wiring blocks which made the job easier. Thank you so much for your help.

[@238pam]

Thank you so much for this brilliant video. The husband and I had been struggling to figure out what to do and this had the problem solved within 10 minutes. We were on the brink of calling an electrician out which would have been very costly, but after watching this and a quick trip to screwfix for the connectors we now have lighting upstairs again. Thank you!!

[@lawrencerubanka7087]

Really good video! This and your other video explaining the wiring of the ceiling rose are brilliant for us wannabe electricians. I'm looking forward to seeing your other content. Thanks again!

[@DonRawling]

Thank you so so much. You can imagine my horror after spending an hour hanging the light fixture and wiring it up only for the light to stay on regardless of the switch! Thanks to this vid I know have a working light, wooo! You're my saviour

[@stuartjudd6630]

Great tutorial, successfully swapped out two ceiling roses for spots after watching & learning. Wago connectors made it so easy.

[@choc_chip]

Thanks for this excellent video! This was an ambitious job for me, complicated by no less than 5 mains cables and no leeway in any direction. However, I managed it using this method and 3 x 5 plus 1 x 2 Wagos. You explained the process so clearly and it really gave me confidence.

[@ianmak9959]

Very useful. I didn't have a clue what all the cables were, and while I still don't quite understand, the video helped me to wire up a new fitting correctly. It was still very fiddly, but it worked. Thanks!

[@kevingreeley3591]

An absolute life saver video. How easy did you make that look. You took the stress out fitting 3 new metal ceiling lights in my house. Many thanks 👍👌

[@angelatully4341]

Brilliant video, clearly explained and demonstrated. Thank you! I’ve ordered my Wago connectors from eBay and feel more confident now!

[@fvn1235]

Thank you for making it easy my friend, other vids make the process over complicated unnecessarily 👍🏾

[@teslaandhumanity7383]

FVN 123 so true I found this too

[@teslaandhumanity7383]

I feel confident enough to try this and it will save me £60 doing it myself thank you 🙏

[@stevesinnott3978]

By far and away the best instructional vid in this area. Cheers mate!

[@smozzie24]

This was really helpful video thanks. I’ve just put up my first pendant light and it works!! Brilliant. Thanks

[@phillandmon]

Brilliant demonstration. This has really helped me and the best and most practical explanation. This also applies to Part 1. Thank you.

[@bendominey5125]

Thank you! You turned what was a nightmare into a dream. Cheers man

[@bobbyhayday6022]

Thanks for keeping it simple and straight to the point! It's a thumbs up from me

[@BugPowderDust]

Very helpful, thanks, had this very situation to deal with (wife brought a new light fitting to replace a ceiling rose). Didn't even realise Wago was a thing! Cheers

[@jimgibson100]

Well explained in terms that a DIYer could understand - thank you.

[@davidkelly111]

Thank you. Exactly the video I required to replace a Ceiling Rose with Ceiling Fan. Many thanks for posting. I have now discovered Wago connectors - what a revelation!

[@DavidBowring]

You and me both. I freaked out when I saw my ceiling fan only had the three connections. Off to ScrewFix tomorrow...

[@bjmcguir]

Many thanks for posting. This saved me from having to call in a spark. What a godsend.

[@michaelcostello6991]

Excellent demonstration. Very easy to follow. Thank you

[@FLOSSYTREADWELL]

This is so helpful. I have old wiring pre 2004, Also due to positioning, I'm having to view inside the rose upside down so it's a tad complicated. However, this has been extremely helpful not only as regards to 'how to' but also for tools to use.

[@foleystephen]

Excellent video. Very clear and easy to understand.

[@jsykes2000]

Exactly what I was looking for. Excellent explanation. Thanks.

[@deryckthake]

Superb video, just what I needed to complete the job. Thank you so much.

[@MarkRobson99]

Thanks for this! I've fitted 2 lights using your advice. Appreciated!

[@russpaul1194]

Excellent guide, clear and concise. Thank you.

[@nogbadthebad2609]

Thanks very much, this was really helpful. Really clear and concise.

[@kevinflint8800]

Thank you,this explained everything i needed to fix my problem.

[@cristian5717]

Thank you mate! Really useful! Saved me 180£ to get someone else do my light fittings!

[@WaffleWarriorsOfficial]

This is brilliant. Exactly what I needed. Thank you!!

[@juliuszkaczmarek373]

Brilliant video - thank you very much. Not only a great quality, but you also covered the exact problem that I am facing - what to do with the connectors, if there's not enough room for the whole connector box. Glad I won't be called a "heathen" ;) for simply pushing them connectors into the ceiling!

[@saltalmighty1141]

Thanks , i followed your advise , and those connectors work like a charm !

[@Lucky-fj5qw]

Great video made it so clear on what to do and what goes were perfect just what I was looking for.. 👍

[@mgcservices7524]

Beautifully explained, thank you 👍

[@owenjoseph5458]

Really clear instructions thank You!

[@yassifarah]

Thanks for such a useful, informative video.

[@no-oneman.4140]

Simply brilliant. Many thanks.

[@martyj5222]

Exactly what i was looking for, thanks very much.

[@pgisurvey1093]

Good clear sound advice.

[@andymorris6610]

Great video, many thanks for the help!

[@matrkav]

Excellent vid, helped a great deal here. clearly explained!

[@edenfox3689]

Thanks really helpful got 4 lights done and if they ever need to be changed it's simply changing 3 wires.

[@KellyNicholas1]

Such a helpful tutorial

[@whichdoctor4858]

Really useful video, thanks!

[@dandandini]

extremely helpful Thanks!

[@Steve-dd4hd]

Nice clear video. Thanks.

[@musicismyfirstlove]

Thanks very much just did mine your video very helpful

[@rogergarrett9760]

excellent rendition Sir - save me quids and quids

[@danielcastaneda6345]

Very well explained, thanks for this video

[@westhamunited571]

brill mate..smashed it

[@thomasfernandes7521]

Top notch tutorial, please do some more vids

[@AC_Milan1899]

Awesome video. Thanks mate

[@MartinG_YouTube]

Very useful video rn, thank you!

[@stuartgreen3886]

Great video 👍

[@peternecchi7754]

Thank you so much this has helped me tremendously

[@thecobbstar]

Amazing video thank you !!

[@renegade4241]

Thank You very helpfull

[@kevinF7036]

Great video

[@bardothodol4472]

Thank you so so much for helping me saving money! I did! IIIIII DID IT!

[@Intellect_123]

You are awesome.... thank you so much

[@darrenmitchell7543]

Thank you for this, after looking at this jumbled mess of wires, and never even hearing of a loop in system until now, I have successfully swapped a pendant light fitting with a loop system, with a lamp, and have bought a shit load of WAGO's for future use! 😁

[@darrenmitchell7543]

@@ldb281 Lol, slightly less than a bucket load, but more than a cup full! 😁

[@darrenmitchell7543]

@@ldb281 😁

[@Mad4plumbing-ltd]

Great explanation 😜

[@MartynJWitt]

Useful video thanks. The grey Wagos you used puzzled me, perhaps they were an older type available when the video was made? In 2022, I would imagine you need instead the transparent Wago 221 series to make good connections with lower cross-section UK lighting cable? The current 222 series look confusingly very similar to the ones you used but are for chunkier mains cable and the latest Wagos seem to have orange clips with less travel.

[@Benplay777]

Thank you that was great

[@eddiegrist72]

What if I only have 2 cables from the ceiling and need to wire a 4 spotlight bar type light?

[@kevinbenstock8116]

Hi mate i am a new subscriber to your channel, your videos are very well explained for us DIYers and just the sort of projects that we as homeowners would like to do, i dont know if you have done one yet but some ideas for new videos. 1-how to put up an outside light, or security light, garden lights etc 2-how to fit a stand alone photocell for outside lights 3-how to fit a bathroom or kitchen extractor fan with isolator i will leave it for now i dont want to scramble your brain, but keep the videos coming mate, very interesting, regards kevin

[@myrossirifle]

Great vid, saved me a headache !

[@TheRealHiddenNinja]

I have the same wire pattern in my current light, and I plan to replace it but do I need the flex cable or does it depend on the new light fitting? Thanks!

[@rociorodriguez-inniss4137]

Hi there, would you be able to create a video showing this in reverse? So the spotlight fitting being taken off and pendant fitting put on? Thank you :)

[@annaboyd7433]

Hi - I have a vintage metal rose but it has no earth. Can i solder an earth wire onto it - or is there some kind of tape which would fix the erath to the inside of the rose? Thanks

[@fireykev]

Little tip,. Bend the switch wire over to stop the brown sleeving falling off before removing the plastic ceiling rose ,

[@explorewithant8263]

I think I’ve got a old ceiling rose,, I’m not sure about it because it’s got 3 blacks on 1 side and 1 black on its own then it’s got 4 reds then 2 earths,,is there anyway I can send you a picture that you can look at so you could help me out if you could,,thanks buddy

[@skywolfx76]

will the switch live wire be in the same spot for every ceiling rose?

[@rodrigopr04]

thank you

[@grillpan75]

I know you don't get paid for this but you should. Its my go page before I touch any wiring. Thank you so much.

[@robertsulley]

Can you tell me if this meet regs please? I'm reading elsewhere that the wago connectors need to be in a box, but as you show, I don't have much space available!

[@rustyrob]

will it be ok to push the wago connectors through the hole without a wago junction box will it be safe enough,thanks.

[@hamzahpatel7393]

I guess the old cables are open same as the waygo but I guess it's always safer with a junction box Check online it will show all compliance rules

[@vivianodili9073]

Can I do this with a flexible wire without an earth? And can I use the Wego line connector if I have just a single line wire from the ceiling?

[@kinghabib2770]

Hi I have 2 browns in one then 3 browns in the middle then 3 blues on my ceiling old light fitting I’m wanting to put a pendent light up which one will be the switch wire ?????

[@katerussell3680]

I've never changed a light before but I've managed the first few steps of disconnecting the old light and I've put up the first part of the new wiring. However, the new light fixture I have doesn't have anywhere for the earthing wire to go and I cannot find any advice on what I do with it? Can anyone please help /advise? The old light was a 3 way LED which had a hole for each of the wires (blue, brown, green) but the new one only had screws/holes for brown and blue and there's nothing on the instructions.

[@MrTomo89]

hi sorry daft question but would any 3 core wire/ flex do and are the weego things be ok pushed back in the ceiling

[@frankhayes1135]

ALL single insulated wires MUST be contained within an approved accessory; you CAN NOT simply push insulated but unsheathed cables back into a ceiling void or under a floor. I understand the problem but this not an acceptable solution. This problem arises because (as usual) the UK has adopted a wiring practice that is non-standard in most other countries called the 'loop-in' system; aimed of course at saving a little money. It results in far too many wires in the ceiling rose for which many foreign made retrofit lights are not suited nor sized. In other countries the 'loop' is done in the light switch with a single wire running to the light fitting. If the light fitting is a Class-2 fitting made of metal then ABSOLUTELY NO single insulated unsheathed cables must be exposed in the light fitting. If the fitting is Class-1 (earthed) then unsheathed cables may be contained within the light fitting. ALL connections MUST remain accessible for future inspection unless marked as 'Maintenance Free' with a 'MF' stamp and contained with a similarly marked accessory box. I know this is all a palaver but I'm afraid it is what it is. It is also why I never give a price for fitting lights over the phone because more often than not to do the job correctly and safely is sometimes more difficult than expected. Finally, don't forget that because you have disconnected and reassembled all the earth wires, a test has to be done to confirm that earth continuity back to the consumer unit and on to other light fittings remains intact!

[@18in80]

100% correct. This is a common problem and is what differentiates proper electricians who know what they're doing and why it's done from just DIY men and kitchen fitters. All conductors must have mechanical protection right up to the enclosure housing the terminations. A circular BESA box would provide an adequate enclosure in the case of a light fitting with a circular base. Dry line BESA boxes are available to ensure compliance.

[@agicorn6379]

I was going to write this exact comment, bit worrying if this guy is actually an electrician and thinks that what he's done is acceptable. And now there's going to be many people who watch the video and assume it must be correct because it was done by an 'electrician', and go on to fit a light like this in their house.

[@fredtall3853]

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[@doitmyselfrunza]

@@agicorn6379I don't understand what he did wrong, could you elaborate?

[@scumboss]

@@doitmyselfrunzahe should have used a Wagobox

[@markevans3026]

Hi watched various videos over the last few days about wago connectors and commented on the various videos. My question on each video I watched was can I push the connectors into the gap above my ceiling ? Everyone except yourself says they have to go in the wago junction box. So a little confused. Can u clarify that they can just be pushed into the gap above the ceiling. Thanks

[@petegibson8520]

Done everything to the video and ive got no lights upstairs ?

[@ghadarule528]

Great video but I have a question. My new light is metal and has an earth pre-attached to a screw on the fitting itself Your video does not demonstrate or explain this important issue - is it because the flex earth was joined in the WAGO with the other earths? Would appreciate an answer. Again, great video.

[@barrybrown4823]

Can i use a 2wayvwith 4 earth cable 2 in each thanks

[@ryangibson5034]

In my modern new build I don’t seem to have an obviously switch live, no marked or sleeved blue cables…I have 2 cables coming in to each rose and both browns have been attached the same terminal and both blues to another…. Then the pendant light wires on the outsides. Great. I want to swap this for a different fitting and remove the rose… I try using wago but obviously I’m not getting the configuration right…. Tried all blue into a 3 way, all brown in a three way and then all earth in a 3 way …. But no deal… I read somewhere one of these will be the permanent live…. 5 hours and lots of combinations later it’s still not working… what am I doing wrong?

[@peterharris5927]

What if there is no earthing connection in the new fitting terminal box?

[@imransaib4536]

You seem to push the connectors into the ceiling hole. Is this correct? Do you not need to put the connectors into a wago box. Also is this method you are using water proof incase of water leak?

[@aar0n259]

life saver

[@pete.8499]

I've just followed this to the letter on my stairs and now the loop trips everytime I switch the light off from the up or down switch??? Any help appreciated!

[@Intellect_123]

I have a question... how do i do this exact same thing to a kitchen light?... it has the same 3 neutral .. 3 live... 3 earth wire set up as a regular light.... but then i noticed it also had a seperate set of thicker earth, neutral and live wires ..... what do i do with those? Should i just tape them up or do i wago connect them up too?...

[@Intellect_123]

Dont worry, i found out that the other set of wires were for the old starter of the old kitchen light.... i just wrapped them up with some electrical tape and then tuck them away... But ill keep this here just for anybody else that wanted to know..

[@adamguest7869]

Even easier I just unscrewed the rose slid the new light fitting bracket at back of it screwed it back up as the new fitting base was big enough to swallow up the rose 😂

[@theoriginal6655]

I want to know what to do I have got 4 brown wires instead of 3 and I’ve got 2blue wires the brown wire doesn’t indicate that it’s different plz help

[@TomTrust]

Pity you use wago connectors. I want to fit ONE rose but can't see how I can buy just the four connectors I need.

[@lizahailes5442]

What size flex cable is used? 1.5mm?