Part 2 The answers to questions I'm being asked about the eNV200 !

I had so many questions I've been repeatedly asked about my video on the 100,000 mile eNV200 verses the NV200 diesel van , so here i answer the main ones !

[@pmac6584]

I have a leaf 24kwh and two diesel cars, I agree with your figures and having driven many types of cars for hundreds of thousands of miles over 35 years and now 30,000 electric miles, I will NEVER buy another petrol/diesel car. Electric is just better. As long as you match your battery and charge rate to your use case,, Keep up the good work,

[@stevesimkins3918]

bet u don't drive far or all day like most businesses

[@grahamworthy100]

Some other bonus topic you don’t talk about. The time you can claim back from the fuel station refuelling as it at home takes seconds to plug in or unplug. The vans always heated up no ice or condensation on windscreen and side doors This is my own happy moments that I didn’t even think of

[@computerbob06]

@Richard Wood I guess you've never tried the BMW 8 speed box? Plus, what about all the 40% of UK households without off street parking?

[@fazkhan8009]

It was very fair video , I hardly pay anything for charging, I have solar panels and charge free most of the time , Tesco stores all free for charging.

[@kenleach2516]

Previous video was spot on, the Fuel over 5 years is shocking! I own a big van and we just have to fill it up at pump price.. Keep being open with great facts

[@frymate1261]

Nissan needs to add the 62kWh or bigger battery in the env200

[@markcornwall8132]

DPD are running several ENV200 40kw vans here in Cornwall. They love them and they do not need to recharge during a days shift either. 80-100 is apparently a typical long day for them. I thought it would be more than that.

[@mrsneeklamy]

That’s great that DPD are doing that where you are, they’re still on dirty ol’ diesel here. If you ever get anything delivered by DPD, you not only get to see a photo and first name of your driver, you get to virtually stalk them on the way to you too. I should imagine that many places in Cornwall are a little bit more spread out than elsewhere, but in my small corner of Kent, the driver can be darting around an area that’s just a few square miles for 4+ hours. And of course that’s not at motorway speeds, which would hurt the range. So one charge lasting all day sounds right.

[@AdamDadeby]

Great videos Jonathan. It would be interesting to do one on companies offering to do battery upgrades. I guess this will take off (and be easier to report on) once the impacts of the virus recede. It would be great to have a good UK based company doing this, as the hassle and cost of driving to Holland is going to increase after the end of transition.

[@jezthomas4402]

I second this; you say Jonathan that there's a load of companies doing this - can you give us the names of a couple please as I only know of Muxsan in the Netherlands? I know Cleevely Motors are doing the Leafs but when I asked about the ENV they've told me they can't do a 24-to-40 as they can't get hold of the 40 batteries. Thanks a bunch.

[@grahamworthy100]

Hi I have had a NV200 from new now covered 5680 miles since mid March this year I ntend to keep it 7 yrs till I retire my average mileage is always from my daily home charge I sold my transit for this and my yearly cost on maintenance and fuel cost me last year £184 less than I pay for its replacement which is a warranty covered new fantastic van I bought it on those terms only and reviews. Ordered it by phone from Bristol st Sheffield and they transported to Swindon . Drives better than my Tiguan sport auto and also smoother trans fer of power than my SL Mercedes with no noise . If you want to dis them with out trying then do so I took a gamble and am 100% happy. Ps I’ve only ever bought one new vehicle and it was a work van that is the sad point . Great reviews just stumbled across them The last items I had replaced on the transit were two injectors by the way

[@F15HHOOKS]

You scuppered the captain Jonathan. 🛳⚓

[@frymate1261]

Good video! Doing the North Coast 500 soon in a TM3 SR+ looking forward to it!

[@gordonmcmillan883]

I'll have to watch this later Jonathan, I'm busy watching the share price of a well known electric car company kicking the shorts into touch... 8-)

[@computerbob06]

That share price would be rubbish if that particular EV maker hadn't gone into 'partnership' with several legacy auto makers - not producing any EV's at all! Hundreds of millions of dollars earned, supporting the production of 'oil burners'! Well done to that company for destroying the planet, for financial gain!

[@dougowt]

The e-Vivaro with the bigger battery does 175 miles and there's a chap in Exeter that is a National courier and uses an eNV200. You will also get better resale with the EV

[@stevesimkins3918]

doubt it people don't like 2nd hand too much risk

[@dougowt]

Steve Simkins sorry but you’re wrong. The resale value of EVs is way better than ICE vehicles. And why shouldn’t if be? There is less to go wrong. One of the big selling points of EVs is reliability. And check the replacement costs of DPFs, clutches, etc or the repair bill for a broken cambelt/timing chain. The uncertainty is all with the ICE power unit and all the associated parts

[@dougowt]

Steve Simkins Risk is having £ thousands tied up in a diesel vehicle or fleet when the bottom drops out of the diesel market

[@stevesimkins3918]

@@dougowt Lols WHAT WORLD DO U LIVE IN??? Really every van is Diesel. Prat

[@dougowt]

Steve Simkins not for long knuckle head. Things change. Start to pay attention

[@andrewthorne6653]

Loved both videos though they were fine

[@KJSvitko]

The Env200 was a missed opportunity for Nissan. They had an early lead on electric vehicles and waste it. They should have sold this like crazy to trades people and delivery operators.

[@pmac6584]

There are still too many pugwash opinions around, I always smile when I see people at the petrol pumps paying through the nose for fuel as I waft by with E7 kws pushing me along at 2p per mile..

[@computerbob06]

I quite like the Zoe battery lease scheme, because it gives us less wealthy people a chance at EV ownership of a 2nd or 3rd hand car! Reviewers keep talking about the other makers' "8 year warranty" on the battery. What happens in 13 years time when said battery has lost up to 39% of its capacity (EVM's Leaf had lost about 2-3% per year over 4 years - although this may have been down to the poor thermal management issue). Many of my friends are driving around in 15 Yr old cars after purchasing them at 7 or 8 yrs old and my 15 Yr old Golf was bought at 3 yrs old! We could buy a 22kwh Zoe and be assured that the battery will be replaced when it reaches its traction limit, no matter how old it is. I think they're about £5k at the moment plus the lease. I can't think of too many people who would want the hassle (not to mention the expense) of sending their 30kwh Leaf (or such) off to Holland or wherever! Come to think of it - there's probably a nice little earner sometime in the future, in buying old Zoe's on a battery lease, getting Renault to replace the battery for free, then selling it on with a brand new (perhaps bigger) battery - all be it many years old!

[@danielmackenzie680]

The list price is always massive as a tax dodge. It's just a game the government and major corporations play😂.

[@MyBarry2009]

Toyota 4x4 or 2x2 Diesel utes in Australia , are having problems with diesel filters and not burning off .

[@derekosborne7983]

Only thing left to highlight is the relative current values of a 100k diesel versus a 100k E-NV 200. And obviously you quoted list price for the diesel when it too would likely have been discounted. The E-NV will still come out well on top i wager?

[@frymate1261]

You can get discounts on the new electric and the diesel vans. New today you can get a new 40 kWh Acenta Van Auto for £18,999+ VAT vs a new nv200 1.5 dCi Tekna Van for £14,999, its still a saving of £8-11k. I know the electric van is not a tekna model but there is not much of a Equipment difference between the electric Acenta model and the Diesel tekna (only a reversing camera but some areas like the climate control and steering wheel its better on the electric ) www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new/201905157977996?postcode=sy109pu&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&sort=year-desc&fuel-type=Electric&advertising-location=at_vans&radius=1500&page=1 www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new/202007030799456?postcode=sy109pu&year-from=new&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&model=NV200&sort=year-desc&advertising-location=at_vans&radius=1500&make=NISSAN&year-to=new&page=1

[@jamesoldman3021]

Hi signed up for your channel on your original video. Had to smile though on your comment about how much cheaper you sold the eNV200 and how no one ever pays MSP yet had no problem with going with the MSP on the diesel:) I would prefer to see a video done from a companies comparison where they buy two identical vehicles like I did with my petrol/diesel and keep track of all costs then compare. As I said in my other post the diesel pick-up on a yearly basis for fuel only considerable cheaper. At the end of four years when traded and calculated in all cost that gap shortened considerably and was not at all the savings I was led to believe by others. No one knows when all the incentives for owning electric vehicles are going to come to an end but one of these days as more people purchase and suddenly the powers that be realise the fuel tax revenue has all but dried up you are going to see taxes added to the electrics to where the cost saving is going to be greatly reduced. Lot of comments on how environmental impact is reduced. How is most of your electricity produces? Where I live it is all hydro but if you live where most of the power going into your grid is coal or gas fired plants how clean is the electricity? Maybe for short daily trips one can charge through solar I am not sure where I live in B.C. that would be an option. In my home community no one that I knows can run their homes year round on solar. They all end up buying some from Hydro and they aren't trying to charge an electric vehicle. And the solar set-up was considerable. Will see if I can find the video but there was a fellow in central Canada that during last winters cold snap it cost more to operate his electric car than a petrol. Few factors here to consider. Bought car before he found out he could not install a charging station in his complex so had to go to commercial outlets. Electricity at charging station considerably higher than he would of paid if charging at home. There was also a problem with the tyres installed. Can't remember what it was maybe he couldn't get snow tires in the size used on the car. Anyway he liked the car and would not go back to a ICE just pointed out that it was not always going to be cheaper. Don't think you English fellows have to put up with -35C. He appreciated he could pre-head the car while in the underground parking and same at work.

[@JonathanPorterfield]

Just one of your points , have you considered how much electricty is needed to make petrol / diesel fuels , its around 4.1 kWhs per 1 gallon , so not only tailpipe emissions, but electric used too. The grid here in uk is getting cleaner too. Here on orkney since 2013 over 110% of all electricity is from renewables , wind , tidal , and solar. Yes we make too much !

[@mrsneeklamy]

​@@JonathanPorterfield ​ Do you have any good sources for the 4.1 kWh electricity per 1 gallon of petrol and diesel? When Robert Llewellyn brought this up on a Fully Charged video last year I tried to look it up, it wasn’t easy and I didn’t really find a definitive answer. But I found that much of the energy used in refineries are _byproducts_ of the complex processes involved in refining crude oil. _“…it takes about 6 kwh of energy to refine a gallon of gasoline, not 6 kwh of electricity, as I originally stated. Now, some of the energy inputs that a refinery uses (such as natural gas) could be used to generate electricity instead if we shifted away from regular cars to electric cars. But even in that case you wouldn’t get a full 6 kwh of electricity - probably less than half that. (Note, however, that you still need additional energy to extract and transport the gasoline.)”_ - Brad Plumer at The Washington Post www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/do-regular-cars-use-more-electricity-than-electric-cars/2011/10/17/gIQAiF67rL_blog.html Wayback Machine archive to get around WP paywall: web.archive.org/web/20190927134326/www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/do-regular-cars-use-more-electricity-than-electric-cars/2011/10/17/gIQAiF67rL_blog.html And a lot more detail in this post on LinkedIn which I won’t even pretend to understand! _“Clearly, the amount of electricity used in refining and distributing gasoline is not insignificant, but nowhere nearly as high as Mr. Musk claimed.”_ - Paul Martin Chemical process development expert, and EV and renewable energy advocate www.linkedin.com/pulse/so-exactly-how-much-electricity-does-take-produce-gallon-paul-martin

[@mrsneeklamy]

​@@JonathanPorterfield And just to add, I just recently started watching your videos and I’m really enjoying them. Keep up the great work, Jonathan! Christopher

[@grahamworthy100]

The cost was per year and my next car will be electric ⚡️ I am a electrician and that’s ok by me. Just have a long extension lead for going past 120 miles

[@billyray323]

Hi mate Where can I buy an E nv200 or combi E nv200 with 10 miles on the clock for 14k or so, basically the money you sold one for... I'd like to buy one, the 23k + price puts me off .. Regards Col

[@frymate1261]

You can buy a Renault Kangoo Business i-Van Auto NEW for £14,999 (No battery lease) www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new/201911274799079?postcode=sy109pu&sort=year-desc&fuel-type=Electric&advertising-location=at_vans&radius=1500&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&page=1 Or a new Nissan e-NV200 80kW Acenta Van Auto 40kWh (no battery lease) for £18,999 +VAT www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new/201905157977996?postcode=sy109pu&sort=year-desc&fuel-type=Electric&advertising-location=at_vans&radius=1500&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&page=1 Or a new Renault Kangoo ML20 44kW 33kWh Business i-Van Auto for £14,499 (no battery lease) www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new/201911304897267?advertising-location=at_vans&postcode=sy109pu&page=1&radius=1500&fuel-type=Electric&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=Used&journey=associated?journey=associated

[@fanfeck2844]

Billy ray , that was five years ago geez

[@billyray323]

@@fanfeck2844 I know lol

[@billyray323]

@@frymate1261 Cheers I'll have a look 😉

[@BSAT10]

I had a 2015 leaf I now have a 40Kw 2018 Leaf it has done under 15K miles in the two years I have owned it its 2nd year (major) service cost £209 thats much more than my previous diesel Astra ever cost Yes I have saved on fuel costs but that only saves £1600 after electricity cost The Leaf cost £32000 with a couple of bits of chrome tat on it The astra with 6000 miles cost £13000 if we are comparing new with second hand? so if people want to buy electric they can but just ignore your sales pitch on cost saving it just never adds up except if you do huge milages

[@christianlewisphotography6910]

So you sell the eNV200 for around £16,000 less than its retail price? What did you sell the NV200 for? Half it’s retail?

[@JamesBranch]

What is the value of the diesel vs EV @ 100k miles second hand?

[@rabadabadoo491]

What about a pre reg diesel with 10 mile on the clock 🤔 How long typically before you need a battery change out?

[@R_Time_Now]

Did you rattle lots of people that drive around in rattly ICE powered vans?

[@JonathanPorterfield]

Yup !

[@matthewwiddows6319]

let me state i think electric is the way forward and all being equal i would have electric. but the review is biased. the list price you quote is not the "average" price they are being sold for. electric is still more expensive than ICE. the goverment are subsidising the purchase price, the road tax and allowing you to run these without paying duty on fuel. so at the moment the review are not fair. how much would the diesel van be with 10 miles on it?

[@BusbyTreeSurgery]

when we getting a hilux type electric

[@stevesimkins3918]

100 REAL MILES with bigger battery mentioned here kzbin.info/www/bejne/emKcenaur8Z7gbs. You can argue all you want - BUT most Vans today are still Diesel - Range, Convenience, Reliability, and showroom Price they win. One day we will all drive electric ...but not for another 10 or 20 years :)

[@stekwack]

you were most definitely very biased against the diesel, yes they do suffer from the faults that you mentioned but usually as a matter of neglect, at 100,000 miles you would have to be very unlucky to of had all of those major faults happen, the fact you also picked on all of the most expensive repairs that would be needed, there is no way that nissan are only going to charge £60 for a service and mot either, most dealers will charge £55 for a mot on it's own plus you would be looking at another hours labour at around £70 as a minimum, then plus any extras like fluid changes battery safety checks ect. also you mentioned to get a overnight electricity tariff, and then worked out the cost over 100,000 Mile's from that, one thing that you didn't take into account was that these tariffs are only around 5 hours in the early morning, after having a env 200 for a week I can tell you that from empty your looking at 13 hours to charge from a standard plug I never once managed to fully charge the van that I had for a week, so for around 8 of the hours that would be needed to fully charge you would be out of the discount tariff unless of course you had a fast charge which is a extra cost, around £1000 to have installed? I really dont know. if you do get the van fully charged your range of 80 miles soon drops by 20 miles the second that you need to turn the heater on to demist the windscreen. I have also had a peugeot partner electric van which was equally as poor when it came to range and nearly left me stranded on a journey that I wouldn't even of had second thoughts about in a diesel, think it was 31 miles each way but once I arrived to the location it was only showing 29 Miles's of range left, this was a brand new Peugeot demonstration van.

[@stevesimkins3918]

In the real world ....we small businesses all drive Diesel Vans. Must be a good reason. You seem to be sponsored by youtube ... wonder how?

[@JonathanPorterfield]

So why did SOS buy this ev back in 2015 ? The real world miles in this eNV200 is over 100,000 miles !

[@stevesimkins3918]

@@JonathanPorterfield As stated we all drive Diesel - Wonder why!! Real World we do!!!!!

[@stevesimkins3918]

Big business this sponsorship by Nissan??

[@JonathanPorterfield]

@@stevesimkins3918 you got me ! Im paid millions by nissan 🤦‍♂️

[@stevesimkins3918]

@@JonathanPorterfield yes you are paid - but obviously enough to provide income. and lets be real u tube is commercial so u can delete my post at any time :)

[@AdamCiernicki]

Diesel stinks. Try arguing with that.