Part 3: Rockville Punisher vs EMF Audio Lowballer, what specs do you look for when choosing a sub?

[@ninja226]

So what you did is advertise that the Rockville Punisher can do exactly what your Lowballer can do, but at a much lower price?

[@alvinmiller6675]

Solid video!! Absolutely do a Part 2 on the Punisher vs The Lowballer! You should test the Destroyer!! That was a very fair and honest test session that you did in this video. No shock to me that it did not hold up to the 1400 watts for very long!

[@jr1001jr]

I paused the video @ 2:31 to make my prediction, place my bet... I'm putting my money on the LowBaller 12. 🤯😳🤯 Yep, I said it. I could be wrong 🤷‍♂️ Yeah the Rockville sub has a bigger coil & bigger motor BUT every body says that their glue is faulty. A sub can be overbuilt, but if it won't hold together, it'll fail.

[@EngineeringEssentials]

Waiting for part 2. Good work, learned alot from your videos. There is very little way of getting honest reviews online, most ppl are blind brand followers. So a real-world testing of popular subs really appreciated. Thank you for being unbiased, keep up the good work. 🙌

[@jasonhardison7103]

The only thing that sub is punishing is your wallet.

[@the_dark_defender]

I stand by my comments on your previous video about this company and others like it that consistently provide inflated specs for their products. It is a clear example of defrauding the customer. Customers should be able to buy a product and be confident that the specs listed from the manufacturer are accurate. Companies like Rockville consistently produce products that do not meet advertised specifications. In this instance one can’t even be confident in the TS parameters as they clearly do not belong to this driver.

[@floydbeard5073]

Once again another badass video Sean love it man. Ready for that other video once you receive the replacement sub.

[@johnmedrano9782]

Yes, I would Like to see a new video about the Punisher sub. I enjoyed watching all 3 parts of the Punisher vs EMF. I put off ordering the 15 inch versions for now since watching your video.

[@99Duds]

If you want to spend more time and money making another video about this overrated sub Ill happily watch it, but pretty sure the point was maid with this one. LOL Keep keeping them honest EMF!

[@elsey1976]

I'd definitely watch a part 2 for this saga. Great video, Sean. Thanks for sharing the truth with your knowledge.

[@bassmaster7277]

I tested my Rockville punisher on a bc5500 that automatically means I'm getting rated power to it and I even clamped it with tru rms meters and those show wattage. so it handles rated rms on a tone. Also I've been doing 5k burps on the punisher with the bc5500.

[@EMFAudio]

You haven't been doing 5k burps, you've been using a 5k amp. Additionally, I do 31,000 watt burps on YOLO's, that doesn't mean they'll take it for a period of time. Burp power means nothing. But in regards to claiming a certain power based on a voltage and current clamp, refer to the clamp testing of the amp used in this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3O8pqywd5J-q5I You'll notice it shows voltage and amperage which give VA, the same as what you're referring to. In that particular instance it shows 9,162 VA where the actual power when taking into account phase angle is 7,999 watts. Different frequencies, different volume levels, different impedances, etc. will have a different phase angle, so it's not a set percentage it will be different either. In the case of the 7500 there is a 13% difference in those numbers where on the 4000 kzbin.info/www/bejne/r16bnGaVi9R4kLs playing the same sub in the same box at the same frequency there is a 23% difference.

[@kswis]

Also I wouldnt mind watching more torture on Rockville but enjoy seeing emf products too so either way I'd say

[@yashvirmahdoo1587]

i hate brands that lie about specs

[@bluegrassjh]

Thanks for taking the time to make this video for us.

[@Supercharged1976]

It lasted a lot longer than I would have ever thought it would! Of course you need to get another one and do all those tests. Can't leave us with just half the story! ;-) I bet it's SQ and bandwidth suck as bad as it's coil.

[@Tuff_love]

The Destroyer is the one I want to see if it takes rated power.

[@chadbeverly4926]

Exo did a video on the destroyer

[@kswis]

If the punisher couldnt handle it I doubt the rest of their subs would handle what they say as well.

[@joshchevalier2865]

I’ve got a destroyer on a HD3000.1 and I love the combo. 3 batteries, duel 0 gauge wiring to the amps, big 3, on a 2.7cu ft box at 34htz. 👌🏾

[@bradlwykfulbright]

Part 2 is needed, a complete humiliation of their lying product. I will definitely watch it.

[@1-Six-dee]

Did a great job and service to the community

[@bassman618]

I’m constantly looking for the best bang for the buck. I just bought 2 more k9 12’s to run 4. Only putting somewhere 800 rms to the current 2 and they sound okay. Seeing the Punisher fail(which I knew it would after a real test)is kinda why I went with the k9’s. Not that they are any better. I do have some skar evl 15’s that is way to powerful for my setup right now. I’ll just keep them k9’s under rms rating until I’m ready for the skar subs. Keep these informative videos coming. Looking forward to the next one.

[@EMFAudio]

Speaking of K9's.... kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3-bkqSmqr2fmrc

[@amirbasssystem]

Yes brother i absolutely love the idea with the bandwith test

[@juantexas956]

Yes a part 2 would be great

[@FrankTones-h9z]

The 12" nvx vcw v3 is a bad ass sub. 23mm xmax 1200 rms. Bet it sounds better than the low baller for 199 on sale. Only 209 for the nvx.

[@flyhouseoftruth470]

I bought 3 12" and one 18" from Rockville, audiosavings whatever they call themselves. The shipping is sloppy, falling out of their box by the time they get to my apartment. there are small holes on the back of each cone, look like it was made that way so I don't know if I should try and glue them closed or leave it be. I haven't put crazy watts to them trying to blow them but I did open air that 18" on my home stereo receiver bass up trebble down balance to that one speaker alone playing the first few seconds of a song I know to have a great bass tone. On low volume it sounded amazing tight and punchy, not even in a box, thing is I expected to have to have the volume way up to get that response. Not the case on 2 or 3 maybe 4 it was driving that speaker hard. the volume goes to 10, I was afraid to go past 4 but it did sound really good. The receiver only does like 25 watts per channel.

[@johnoates3326]

U put alot of work into your videos! I really respect that!!ive never used your subs but next time im looking for a sub i guess i will definitely check your line out! Great video

[@wesw9586]

Please grab another! I love watching Rockville get roasted literally and figuratively. =)

[@dangles4thgenna853]

send it back and get a next one for pt 2

[@RadiOG58]

Of course we want a part 2! Well I want a part 2...

[@TheSara200424]

Absolutely get another and test test test !!! Maybe build it better after it blows up lololol

[@julianjennings4638]

Put that HCCA on splits with passives. It will blow your mind, dynamics of note!

[@MooretheBetter51]

Definitely keep going. I bet its probably a one note wonder

[@splaudio1]

I support this message! lol bringing light to manufacturers bloated ass ratings at last good sht sir.

[@LoydPLowry]

Get another one and continue testing!

[@michaelkafoure786]

Grab another one, I like seeing the torture test lmao.

[@jasonrodgers9840]

As far as TS params are concerned I look for when choosing a sub, but depending on the requirement and application, in this order: definately Vas, Qts, Fs, the ratio of Qms to Qes, Zmax, Cms, Mms, BL, SPL (1W/1m), then Xmax. Real world: near and far field freq response, dispersion, power handling, etc.

[@EMFAudio]

The specs are only as good as they're given, give the wrong specs, they mean nothing.

[@jasonrodgers9840]

@@EMFAudio I hear ya. No disputes there.

[@beauandsamgoham]

Dissect that thing and let's take a real good peak at the inside parts. I know you probably made this video a week or 2 ago but yeah

[@michael8356]

That amp may be pushing some dirty power ? I have 2 Rockville Punishers on a Dbcomp5 and Punish them myself with no smoke or DB drops..been extremely happy with the subs. Dirty power can blow subs quickly. Not saying for sure that was your problem, but seeing you're promoting EMF products then maybe the 750 rms sub is built for or tested on that power source 🤔 Either way just wanted to clarify what experiences I have had with my Rockville Punisher 12s and amplifier.

[@charliehavens7376]

The reason why you aren’t seeing smoke is because your using a rockville amp, they don’t put out rated majority of the time so your subs could take so much more power before they actually start to smoke

[@michaelf.2449]

@@michael8356 thats hilarious assuming emf amp is dirty power but the rockville is clean 😂 had me in the first half not gonna lie

[@XeonProductions]

There's something satisfying about watching subwoofers blow up. Not sure why, but I enjoy it.

[@gijoemolinaro]

Part 2 pleeeaaasseee great vid 👏👏👏👌👌👌👌👌👌

[@EMFAudio]

Part 2 comes before part 3, it's already been up.

[@gijoemolinaro]

@@EMFAudio 😂🤦‍♂️oh yeh... If i had brains I'd be dangerous

[@yougod7253]

Smokeville Punisher

[@Corndogtrip6s]

Dang! This video just made me regret my decision to get the 2 12” punishers. I love them but now I feel like I should return them and get somthing else =\

[@EMFAudio]

You wouldn't be the first, won't be the last.

[@promo130]

in your car you have impedance rise, so you probably never come to 1400 rms so they could last a bit longer,hahaha

[@promo130]

@@Hayawasa it only lasts cause you under power the sub, that sub is never going to see 1000 rms more like 300 to 500

[@promo130]

purple headed yogurt slinger with playing music you get impedance rise, so the sub gets way less power,thats why your subs last, if you want the give that sub thd rated power of 1400 rms, you need a way bigger amp and then the subs blow like you see in the video

[@promo130]

purple headed yogurt slinger clamping only tells you how much the amp puts out, playing music the amp never puts out 2800

[@schons77iceman]

DO THE PART 2!!!! I would like to see it👍👍👍👍❤❤

[@johnoates3326]

I would love to see u do test on a skar evl line i have 2 of there 18s that do amazing with 1000 watts rms! Alot of people hate on them for no reason other than jumping on a band wagon lol

[@chrisclark2582]

Thank you for educating the community. Another cRockville fail.

[@michael8356]

Lowballer line is reinventing the concept of "entry level". Featuring a cast basket, 2.5" copper voice coil and durable Nomex spiders, this economical line has great output while maintaining better sound quality than most subs at the price point. 900 watts RMS 19mm xmax 6.25" mounting depth 11.125" cutout Recommended sealed box: 1 cu. ft. Recommended ported box: 1.5-1.75 cu. ft. Re = 4.2121 ohms Fs = 32.7844 Hz Qes = 0.4034 Qms = 4.6014 Qts = 0.3709 Le = 4.0605 mH (at 1 kHz) Vas = 37.5324 L ( 1.3254 ft^3) BL = 22.1931 N/A Mms = 229.0224 g Sensitivity= 86.9038 dB @1W/1m Sensitivity= 89.6897 dB @2.83Vrms/1m So run your Subwoofer @what it says as well...this is straight from EMF audio website..not 750 watts rms..900 rms and I'm sure the Smoke genie will appear as well.

[@EMFAudio]

Meanwhile, if you watched Part 2 (this is part 3) you'd know the sub being tested is 750 watts. kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3LNoZqQe56Xgpo The 900 watt revision 1 that is on the website as a current model (the original is listed under discontinued) is what you're quoting. And fun fact, the original will take 900 watts, even though it's not rated for it.

[@darinnelson6511]

Please do another comparison if you get another one

[@basslife4evr772]

I'm truly sorry for asking this question but do u have any of the Ermergerd v1 they are the ones with the ferrite but everything else is the same power only difference is the neo motor and if u don't have them im not 💯 percent sure but i heard those ones were some were around 1000$ but i know u don't like bullshit so when someone says they want 1 and time comes to pay they got some bullshit song and dance im telling u now i do want 2 of them but i can get 1 at a time because im being truthfully because i know im gonna need some Limitless Lithium sorry if spelling is incorrect but that's why I'd like to get 1 at a time if u don't want to waste your time building them believe me i understand those things are monsters but i hope to hear back from u it's cool ur still the man in my eyes brotha [☣✌💪🔈✌💪🔉✌💪🔊☣]

[@EMFAudio]

There is more different than that, but those have been gone for probably 5 years, maybe 6.

[@bobbymaner4113]

This guy makes me laugh so hard. He loves talking about Rockville and there products. Personally, yes I was on a budget and yes I have 2 Rockville K9's on a Taramps smart 3 and have had them right at 2 years and they still play great. Have them under my back seat in my truck and people are blown away when I tell them there Rockville. No there not the best and probably won't win me a SPL competition but they hit hard and sound good. Personally to me it's not a good look for EMF when they're audio equipment is suppose to be top notch but they like to compare EMF prices with Rockville prices!! They're new sub is already out on the market. Where is your new EMF Lowballer V2 at?😂😂😂😂

[@EMFAudio]

We didn't point at a catalog and make a lower bid offer. We actually design our own products, and test our own products, and make sure they have accurate specs and ratings. It takes time to develop a good product. I obviously think it's not too bad of light because I showed real results regardless of what they were, because I have confidence and pride in our products. If we rushed products to market we'd sell some garbage too.

[@bobbymaner4113]

@@EMFAudio It's all good man but when I look at EMF I see the top of the line. Stuff I would have to seriously save for and would love to have, but then I see you down grading people that yes may not be 100% accurate and I get your products 100% are. I just feel like you/EMF audio should better then that. They for the most part tell you to run the CEA ratings not the RMS. Not everyone is gonna run a test tone for a certain amount of time to smoke there subs. I'm sure the sub however could handle dynamically or bass notes at 1400 rms and maybe I'm wrong but I know dynamically my K9s can take a 1000rms each which is the cea rated power. I also bought one of there amps it didnt last but they made it right and fix my problem within a week. To some maybe I sound dumb but I'm new to this and wanna learn the ends and outs but when you see people bashing someones products or what products people have, who does that help may even turn people away from the car audio seen bc it overwhelms them. My comment was dickish no doubt, but you don't see Tesla comparing there vehicles to Smart Cars. All I'm trying to say is take the high road and stop worrying about only Rockville, bc you and I both know there are plenty of Manufacturers who lie about there numbers across the board but your not talking about any of them. Have a goodnight sir and thanks for taken the time to respond. Always 2 sides and points to a topic but doesn't mean they're either was wrong.

[@gladboy7722]

No need to see any more except, maybe you rebuild the destroyer and show and show them how it's done...👍👍👍🇹🇹🇹🇹🇹🇹...

[@kevinchambers8288]

Another video would be great I think more companies should do what you're doing because there are a lot of companies give overrated specs on speakers, subs and amps so keep doing what you're doing man cause I'm a huge fan of your company, Thanks

[@EMFAudio]

The tricky part is when bias is involved, staged failures. Rockville started doing a video series based on that and 2 or 3 subs in they quit because it backfired on them hard.

[@kevinchambers8288]

And that's why I don't care for Rockville products, companies like Rockville won't be one of the top notch companies that everyone uses or looks for that serious about car audio in the future but one of the cheaper brands that will be better than factory components they're not looking at Long term but the Newer companies like yourself will be around forever and that's what everyone wants

[@cdubBbasshead]

Did anyone honestly think that this wasnt gonna happen?!

[@JusstyteN]

I expected it to fail sooner. Thats pretty nice that it can almost handle the power, i wonder if it can handle 1k rms. Test lowballer with over the rated powers, wanna see that too.

[@EMFAudio]

Remember, their website said 1 minute on a tone so it will take it all day. It didn't do that, so it won't take it all day, it failed in seconds. You're asking if it will take 1,000 watts RMS when it's rated for 2,800 watts RMS, think about that.

[@reeferdogbassin7909]

Id rather not see any more Rockville beatdowns. We been there done that. I really like the new amplifiers! Like to see some testing using your subs in different box types, what you prefer and why? Tube with big port, square box, wedge, etc. Spl and more importantly sound quality. It mite be fun to hear some old school spl stories, im sure u got a couple.

[@EMFAudio]

Sound quality is EXTREMELY difficult to come across in a video.

[@reeferdogbassin7909]

@@EMFAudio lol! I just want to know what U think and why? I cant get watts through my laptop either but Im workn on it. P.s. id start the Wall of Shame with subs of that stature and never take them down

[@Ramb1t0]

Why not test them at same power level? Price is the same.

[@workingclassperson2124]

Ya get another one and torcher it some more. Make it talk-Where is the micro-film!?!?!!

[@csj9619]

Does EMF assemble the Lowballer "in house" or are they manufactured to your specs at a build house?

[@ThisIsSolution]

Was the glue heated up and cooled down a few times, sometimes the coils need that with the glue on cheaper woofers. Thats just the way it is.

[@EMFAudio]

No, that's not the way it is. Heat cycling is actually what WEAKENS glue. But yes, between every power test it was cooled.

[@ThisIsSolution]

@@EMFAudio yes, many cheap woofers have inexpensive adhesives that aren't fully cured until heated, once the coils warm up a few times it will fully cure the adhesive. Yesssss

[@SoXDYTB]

Hello! What's your opinion on Deaf Bonce , i saw a video of db-sa302 2000 w rms rated and someone tested it for straight up 8 minutes clamping 2000+ watts rms on free air and didn't blow

[@Basshead40]

Yup cRockville still sucks nuts lmao. Got 2 15 inch Banhammers, preordered 2 lowballer 12's for the daughter's car. EMF I put right next to Sundown in my book. Impeccable brand. If you don't know that Sean absolutely knows his stuff by now.. then you're just not very bright. lol

[@letsgobrandon8375]

My def bonce lite r's are pushing well over 700 per sub pretty much all the way to work they get a little warm but not bad. That's 45 min. It's crazy these can't handle rated power.

[@michaelmerck7262]

Great video

[@bygboie]

Where is the explanation for the stop sell of Sundown ? 🤔

[@Corndogtrip6s]

I would send it back and get another just for another video but idk save the money and get somthing different, I’m really thinking of returning them now, sad how they will lie to customers! On another note, I got the nonda car health monitor, it’s pretty cool, still learning everything about it but we like it a lot

[@Road2Rally]

The lowballer v1's are only 150 right now on emf's store. I paid just under that for my dd audio redline 212 (300 watt) and while that sub is absolutely amazing I don't doubt you can get far more spl from the lowballer for the same price.

[@joshuahaewardii8540]

wasn't 2800 watts the program power spec?

[@EMFAudio]

Regardless of which is which, the description says it will take a tone for 1 minute and will therefore take that power all day. There is more than 30 seconds in a day.

[@zachmasters7397]

So you're basically saying I can get a crapville punisher that will run well at 1000 watts for 139 dollars with free shipping.

[@EMFAudio]

I wouldn't expect it to run well at 1,000 watts, but there is more to a sub than power handling too.

[@djshaneb123]

You go off about "Real World" specs. But what you don't know is they go off "Dark World" specs! That's what Customer service representative Thor said at Rockville.

[@GRNDZRO13]

I say get another but instead of running anything they say, run it like the Low Baller V.1 or even the Low Baller prototype

[@wilsonrawlin8547]

CEA Watts are also known as Unicorn watts. ;D

[@trecedaves3159]

Wonder if there gonna fire back now!!

[@Ronco160]

I hope so! 🙂. It was very entertaining on the k9

[@EMFAudio]

Remember what happened last time when they did?

[@the_dark_defender]

EMF Audio yeah they got drunk on camera and pretty much produced a video on why you should buy the Sundown Audio sub they were testing. As I recall you were also involved in that video calling them out on errors they either made or were about to make during testing. It was a absolute shit show for them which I’m sure they regret.

[@alvinmiller6675]

@@EMFAudio Nobody fires back like Rockville! They produce LIVE CLASSICS🤣

[@audiofracture1068]

Okay so, you just showed us a sub that is cheaper than the lowballer AND handles the SAME power than the lowballer, then proceed to tell us to buy your sub... I would be happy to buy EMF if your sub was better or cheaper, you have proven thus far, that they screwed the specs up on the box and the website (along with every other company that sells subs) and that they have over rated their subs (along with every other company that sells subs).. but also that yours is no better, but for more $... .. go figure, just another salesman...

[@3RDERA]

I had the same problem with the k6 in the 150$ challenge. It wouldn’t fit in my old test burp box. Pain in my a$$

[@UltraCon79]

When buying a Sub. 1. Fitment mounting depth. 2. Range at least 26hz how low can it go? 3. Sensitivity must be over 85db how loud is it? 4. RMS can it handle my 10001BD 5. Price. I can't justify paying over $300 per woofer.

[@leonardslade903]

Destroyer of the destroyer lol great video

[@johnhermanson5249]

Yes, I'd like to see a Pt 2. If they'd just use realistic ratings, they'd stop losing face.

[@EMFAudio]

Part 2 came before part 1, it's right on the channel.

[@666nacirema666]

now recone it. thats the only reason ive wanted to try a rockville sub. get the motor and use quality parts

[@EMFAudio]

Why not just start with something good to start with that costs the same money in the end?

[@666nacirema666]

@@EMFAudio id never buy one new

[@jr1001jr]

Do the Part2 SoundQuality/Bandwidth test! Do it! 😎 Do it!!

[@EMFAudio]

Nearly a month later I'm still waiting on them to do something with the first one....

[@jr1001jr]

@@EMFAudio 😳🤦‍♂️

[@fordsixhoe1184]

You were saying rated powe was 1400, but you went to 2400 when it blew. I don't get it.

[@qintonscott550]

🙈🙊🙉Shameful and to think my neighbourhood is name Rocklands, I guess it's a good thing I'm using Rockford instead of what these guys are offering. QUAKES from Cape Town SA.

[@geoffJa]

I think it would be interesting to run the TS parameters again and see if they are any different from the 1st one if you think that would mean anything in terms of build quality. Other than being over rated power wise, that seems to be the biggest problem with these. You can build a decent system with gear that is "not that great", but when your box is totally wrong because you dont have the correct TS#s I think that is a different story.

[@EMFAudio]

Your box has to be REALLY wrong to cause damage, within 10% in any direction it may just not perform as well as it could otherwise. I've also done a video on how box modeling software is wrong. It's really best to go with what the manufacturer states and the specs don't matter, if you're using it in a daily application.

[@geoffJa]

@@EMFAudio yea...but in this case Rockville doesn't even know the specs for the correct box :). I saw your box software vid, been awhile tho

[@bradgilpin9740]

Yes another video please!!!

[@crustybass75]

You should let Rockville do these test, that way you get free advertising like Sundown did.

[@EMFAudio]

They can do whatever they want, I don't have to let them do anything.

[@salvatorehayes2753]

Would Have Liked To See The Low Baller On 1400 For 1 Min Also. But That's Not The Point. I Think Getting Another And Continuing Would Be Cool.

[@EMFAudio]

Double rated power? You won't see it because it won't do it. Maybe 30 seconds, not a full minute.

[@salvatorehayes2753]

@@EMFAudio Boobs And Explosions Remember? Hahaha

[@ekoorbhtebazile]

Anyone who knows anything about subs knows these won’t really do rated power. Just take it with a grain of rice. I had two sundown sa12’s. I sold those and decided to mess around and buy 3 Rockville k6 12’s. They were louder than the sa 12’s. And cost less than one of the sundowns. Will they last? I’m sure it won’t last as long as the sundowns but for the price and as long as you tamper the ratings a bit they are not bad. Just my 2 cents. And no I don’t like that they over rate there stuff to fool the uninformed.

[@djshaneb123]

"Boobs or things exploding." -Priceless!

[@josephrankin5434]

id like to say that rockville does make a line of amps that does well above rated power!!! the DB line has been dyno proven!

[@EMFAudio]

When was the last time you listened to a resistor?

[@josephrankin5434]

@@EMFAudio i wasnt meaning disrespect i was just saying that the DB comp4 and DB comp5 both put out over rated power on the dyno at 1% THD ive never encountered anything from EMF audio but i have watched a ton of reviews some good some not so good ive been doing car audio in my shop and competing for 15 plus years so im not just talking gibberish here i spend alotta free time watching bench testing of different brands and different series rockville rates thier stuff off the wall crazy but they make a few products that arent too bad just saying

[@mebordernoneya8484]

Definitely get another one. Frequency response and objective sound quality. More interesting would be to put it on their CEA rated amps and see if it survives test tones on their own amps.

[@515Earl]

Do a second video. Be respectful of the obvious over rated power and due some comparisons. Then, slam both the low baller and the punisher in the actual spl box, after comparing both at 800 watts, crank the rockiville up to the "2800 rms"...it will blow...then hack it apart and give a generalized diagnosis of what failed. Inknow you don't want to do Rockville's R&D for them. A generic analysis would be awesome though as I am curious!

[@EMFAudio]

I definitely don't want to do their R&D when they won't fix the same problem over and over.

[@515Earl]

@@EMFAudio I get it. It would be cool to see you cut the cone off and see the carnage inside, though 👍

[@hispls]

You can see what happened. The coil went slinky right off the former.The only "fix" for this is to rate the sub honestly. There's just only so much heat you can throw into a coil before it burns up. If you need to throw more heat into it you need to get into an 8 layer or larger diameter coil... both come at the expense of more MMS and larger gap which involves trading off efficiency. I'd bet that anything you could do with that motor as far as adding """cooling""" or using a higher quality coil would do no more than 10-15% increase in continuous power handling. Lowballer for example is a 2.5" coil, compare with Sundown SA, DD25XX, or even Alpine Type R which are all honestly rated at 700W or so, that's about the limit of true continuous power for that size coil. This is getting into the difference of power ratings of "hook it up to an amp rated for this and you'll probably be OK" vs. "it will withstand a sine wave at that much clamped power for several hours". And as far as I'm concerned Sean should get as many returns as he can and break them at or below rated power and create as many videos as possible. Companies that make dishonest power handling claims deserve everything they get; if your product isn't damn near indestructible at a given power level you shouldn't be printing that number in your marketing.

[@bgowdy3131]

While I understand what you are doing in this. I have seen subs that performed stellar in test before they started being shipped out and then alot of subs started blowing once they were ready and shipped. I have seen plenty Punishers that performed just fine. Rockville out their mind with ratings. This is a 750rms sub end the end

[@EMFAudio]

The subs you saw perform just fine, were they playing on a big amp or playing with showing real power? There is a very big difference there.

[@MyBlowncobra]

I think the part 2 would be interesting...my e15s are better than this doorstop...

[@the_dark_defender]

Please do send it back for a replacement to do another video on it.

[@EMFAudio]

Already sent it back 2 weeks ago, the cause of failure is "undetermined" still, despite seeing it fail below rated power 2 weeks ago.

[@the_dark_defender]

EMF Audio I hope you’ll share your experience with their customer service once you get the replacement. I’d also be curious as to if the TS parameters on the replacement are closer to what they claim. I doubt they would be. In fact, I’d be curious if they were the same as the sub you tested for that matter.

[@robsorgdrager8477]

Well I really hope they just put a proper rating and price to these now. I'd like to see a part 2, I'm still hoping this sub has a redeeming quality .

[@EMFAudio]

If they did, they probably wouldn't sell.

[@liteflexin8129]

I Really want to support Rockville for my current car build, I’m just scared shitless to order because I HONESTLY don’t understand the wattage rating system Rockville uses. If I can get an Accurate Rms/max rating so I can properly match to a “NON EMF” amp etc. would proudly put a sticker on my show car. Just can’t refer something that me an most Bass heads don’t want to recommend because they known to fail at RATED WATTAGE. Really want you guys to succeed 💯💯❤️❤️ an Cant want to finally put a Rockville sticker on the windshield. Please don’t take the wrong way. Just believe HONESTY will drive sales an the Positive Hype will follow . You guys make very nice an hard hitting budget subs they get Dogged bad because something feel the need to finesse the numbers

[@EMFAudio]

Then watch part 1 and part 2 where you find out everything else Rockville lied about.

[@promo130]

a rockville show car ,hahahahah thats a good one

[@teknikalvette]

You should

[@mikewaters6339]

Another great video.. waiting on what and when Rockville will respond. Not sure how hard it is for a company to just be truthful about the rating. Stop with these three different rates of power. If they just told the truth, they won't have all these issues. Thier equipment isn't awful, just mark stuff correctly. If they came back and rebranded with correct ratings, they would be welcomed back, well maybe ;).

[@EMFAudio]

Correct parameters would help too, and correct weight on the box, and correct item descriptions.

[@whoman3466]

I understand you guys are in business.. But being that you are attacking them directly... Everybody wants to do these tests.. But still give no credit to what it is... What you are doing is literally the same as taking a car.. Say it is rated 200mph.. But it only does 180.. Then you say. Well our car is sooo much better because it is accurately rated at 155. So completely ignore the fact it does 180.. So if your subs cost the same for example. Then you should run it on the same power as the punisher for a fair test. Then you can say. See how our product is better?

[@whoman3466]

And I get accurately rated is a nice thing.... But you guys are treating it as if it is the holy grail... So dont treat it is a 1500 watt speaker. Buy it assuming it is a 1000 watt speaker. Still a hell of a deal

[@EMFAudio]

Rockville is now being sued in a class action lawsuit for using false ratings. Tell me more about how they should be praised for not meeting rated specifications. How many people bought them because they seemed like a good deal then failed when they tried to use it how they said it will be fine?

[@EMFAudio]

Jaguar made a car they said would do 220 MPH, they called it the XJ220. It didn't do 220 MPH. Know what happened? Nobody bought them.

[@whoman3466]

@@EMFAudio I never said they should be praised. But if we are trying to be accurate.. Its still a good value... And really. sued? where is the class action for 1/2 of the manufactures now days.. Why aren't you exposing all of them as well? And the reality of the situation... Old school subs were rated off wired rms.. So a if you had two 750 watt rms subs.. You would sale it with a 1500 watt rms amp.. Prior to all this clamping bs. literally over 90 percent of consumers aren't going to have a clamp meter .. 90 percent of people are going to base it off wired rms ..And I bet you they handled wired rms after imp rise.. Generally .8 to double the wired imp

[@whoman3466]

@@EMFAudio And it did 212.. 217 without restricted cats.. If you think the fact it didn't hit the 220 is the reason it didn't sale. You are a fool. There are many factors than go into automobile sales

[@kaedeschulz5422]

I wonder why there are so many TSP problems in car audio. Apart from super cheapo stuff i never have seen such huge variation in parameters to a point that it can't be that driver in PA or HiFi/Studio driver's.

[@EMFAudio]

A lot of them stem from not designing product in house, going to a build house and getting whatever they offer and going off their specs which might be before broken in or just flat out inaccurate.

[@kaedeschulz5422]

@@EMFAudio Damn that's no good! And in this case with the power ratings REALLY bad😬

[@tbiggie2003]

Part 2 plz

[@RyanBassForLife]

Loved it! If you buy a Punisher you will get punished by having to cut a bigger hole blowing it by playing underrated rated power. Than having to buy another subwoofer and hope your new sub fits. That sub was junk. If I were you I would not buy another one but take the thing apart and you put better parts on it and make it your own and see if you can get recommended RMS watts buy using another set of soft parts.

[@EMFAudio]

That would be a waste of money because I could never get my money back out of it, and would still be mediocre at best.

[@RyanBassForLife]

@@EMFAudio why wouldn't that be like a fun puzzle? Trying to make a Rockville woofer better then when you get the numbers of watts it should of hit get a paintent change the name and make it your own EMF sub just to rub it in Rockville face that you know how to make better woofers then they can.

[@acoupetroop617]

So according to emf website the lowballer is 199. The punisher is only 129 new on rockville website. Why not leave Rockville alone and compare with a sub in that price range. Plenty of other brands out there but you choose to pick on the weaker links.

[@EMFAudio]

According to the EMF website right now they're $149 (they were lower at filming). The Punisher is still $139 new on the Rockville website. I'm not sure why you're having troubles stating truths that are clearly verifiable. Now, I recommend watching part 1 like the beginning of this video says to so you'll understand WHY this video exists. It wasn't a price comparison video. Hell look at the VIDEO TITLE.

[@peterb7399]

good night.. love the the video. when i look at the motor i can tell it is cheap from the top plate alone ,taking another one may be a waste .they should just rate their subs lower .

[@joeymatthews8233]

The 4 dislikes are Rockville employees 😆

[@EMFAudio]

It's the same 4 i get within 10 minutes of every video I upload. They're subscribed and notified solely for the purpose of downvoting.

[@glenwebster2481]

Absolutely do it

[@gardenstateflatlandb]

Rockville does it again!😂 Watched all 3 parts in their entirely, and love how you call bs on bs product claims. Been looking at your Lowballers for a good while, but I'm pretty limited on space. Any plans on doing a 10" in the LB line?