Part One: The Cult Behind Josh Duggar | BEHIND THE BASTARDS

[@seelcudoom1]

i think its important we all make sure to remember matt walsh defended this man AFTER he had admitted to being a child predator, and we never let matt, or any of his followers, forget it

[@kikilo9647]

Matt Walsh always talks about fertility peak in woman and then casually mentions 14, 15 years old so is not weird and btw he always justifies child rape if the rapist marries rhe victim so great that lad is.

[@hellspawn32x66]

Gotta love people who call trans people predators and dangers to children but then turn around and defend actual repeat offenders. I hate it here.

[@seelcudoom1]

@@hellspawn32x66 literally like 9 times out of 10 if i see someone calling lgbt people groomers on twitter i check and their a walsh fan, and none of them ever have a response to me pointing it out

[@NormDeMoss]

​@@hellspawn32x66 The classic truism about conservatives: every accusation is a confession.

[@jamaicanufo8326]

Pedocon Theory is as much a Theory as Gravity.

[@josephjarosch8739]

"You mean it's all just breederphile bullshit?" "Always has been."

[@tom1644x]

Reality TV is really a curse on society.

[@alexcarter8807]

Reality TV doesn't create the freaks, though. It seems if anything they downplay them.

[@alexcarter8807]

Reality TV doesn't create the freaks, though. It seems if anything they downplay them.

[@Backinblackbunny009]

I hate how KZbin says there are 2 replies and then when you click it censors them like we're all 13yos on the PBS website

[@punishedbarca761]

Sean is a great guest. Got that peak cohost energy.

[@meh3247]

I'm not an American, and so I had no idea who this Duggar person was until this video title prompted me to find out more about him. I would very much like to go back to not knowing please and thank you. _There ought to be some sort of International understanding, that sociopaths should not be exported._

[@suzbone]

Hell, this continent was settled by destructive, bigoted religious fanatics. We just can't shake em off 😢

[@Vhlathanosh]

America, just like the Vatican, love to export their sociopaths.

[@BanglesAU]

I have a friend who homeschiols her kids because they are autistic and mainstream schools were failing him, meaning they were not making efforts to accommodate him and were straight up excluding him from school activities. Her kids have been thriving and the very best thing for them. One of my kids has ASD, I have been lucky that her school has been great suppoting her as I don't think I could home school. Props to the parents who can, and do it right!

[@ItsNket]

That photo of Steven Seagal would be the first SS Uniform to have been re-tailored into a plus-sized karate gi

[@Sally-up8xe]

I've been snark-following the Duggars for years and always thought Gothard's name being Got-hard is hilarious and ironic. Nobody ever laughs or seems to appreciate that, until here.

[@alexcarter8807]

Gothard Street is a major street in Orange County, California. And yes I always got a laugh out of the name.

[@joshuawilliams8252]

This opened up witg the thing I'm always here for: Stephen Seagal slander. Thank you. You just made this acid trip significantly better.

[@joshuawilliams8252]

Pulling out before this podcast sends me spiralling into depression tho.

[@suzbone]

​@joshuawilliams8252 smart move. Have a good trip instead, friend.

[@Hudson316]

Can't be slander if it's true

[@SesshyLover777]

Me, a Fundie Fridays fan who also loves the pod, seeing this episode: 👁👄👁

[@Sally-up8xe]

Me too!!!

[@platedlizard]

My cousin & his wife homeschooled their daughter during the pandemic and the difficulty in finding a curriculum that fit his family’s devote Odinist beliefs was a big decider in returning her back to public school lmao

[@alexcarter8807]

Hey now I was over at a friend's in Gilbert Arizona and my friend's high school age daughter came home and was gushing about the "Hitler club" being held by one of the teachers after school, and this was at a public school. So there's hope.

[@templarw20]

"Struggle between humanism and Christianity." That very idea offends me on an intellectual and theological level... if you're version of Christianity does not involve pretty much doing the same things that secular humanists want to do.. you're doing it wrong."

[@Backinblackbunny009]

That's not how religion has ever worked in reality. Religion, like everything else in society, exists to serve the interests of the elite, not to actually offer any physical benefit to the unwashed masses.

[@falloutghoul1]

Which is even more damning towards Christianity that the distinction has to be made in the first place.

[@guilhermelamounier1818]

Do it again, please? 🙏🏼

[@plantain.1739]

Man they're just going through the child abuse episodes huh

[@seelcudoom1]

what episode ISENT a child abuse episode? its really just a question of what kind and what scale

[@seanhall8686]

Astronaut: Wait, it's all child abuse? Astronaut with gun: Always has been.

[@embrikchloraker8186]

Better to cover it than not to.

[@kastill5280]

​@@seelcudoom1😊

[@toxsun]

Just wait until they post "The 12 Tribes" episodes. Hooo boy... Edit: They did already. 😂

[@zacharyhughes2950]

I love how Robert says GAUD

[@Advent3546]

I am the second of 9 kids. My parents liked the Duggars show and saw them as something to look up to as a large family like ours. I have yet to ask them how they feel about them now or even if the know about their cult.

[@andiward7068]

Tbf, aside from the numerous kids and strict religious upbringing they seemed pretty normal. I'm going to guess your folks won't believe the charges due to cognitive dissonance. It's always sad to me when potential is subverted by religious ideology.

[@Sally-up8xe]

They probably didn't know, at least at first. The original tv specials and then the showw intentionally kept the extreme religiious component hidden. Lots of people watched the show because just the logistics of such a giant family.

[@randyparker2134]

The Catholics did not "always" have a problem with abortion. Mostly only since the late 19th century. There were a few short lived instances before that but for the majority of the history of the church they were okay with it up until "quickening" which roughly was the end of the second trimester.

[@stinkytoy]

Holy shit, i thought he said women are referred to as "helpmeat." That was the most horrifying phrase i had ever heard, and i couldnt believe they just glossed right over it, so i looked it up. Apparently it's "helpmeet," which is still awful, but not nearly as gross and dehumanizing as i originally thought hahaha.

[@rothloaf1980]

I'm enjoying the cult eps as an escape from the fascism cult growing now. I get some cult info without having to see Dumbald's waddley mug.

[@almightytallestred]

I would like to take this opportunity to sh*t on the whole concept of home schooling. I think it's a bad idea to make it so easy for parents to just decide to home school their kids. And of course it's also a cultural thing. I'm not from the U.S. I'm from Germany. I would say that 99% of parents are not up to the task of adequately home schooling their kids. Here in Germany for example home schooling is illegal. Public or approved private education is mandatory with the only exception being where continued school attendance would create undue hardship for an individual child.

[@TheNotoriousBTG]

13:45 Hot take, but the Nic Cage Left Behind is the best Left Behind. That's not a super hard thing to do I suppose, but it did have some heart to it. The scene Radford is talking to Chloe, thinking he might not come home is almost touching.

[@IrishPinkMilo]

Rearing children: the structure the Duggars had about babies was similar in my house, and so by the time I got to adulthood and deciding if I even wanted children, I had already been through 7 rounds of diapers with children in my family and my best friend’s 4 children. I was already exhausted and didn’t want my own at that point.

[@IrishPinkMilo]

And by 4-5 times, you know it had to be more than that. That’s what they want to publish not the truth. Which is very common in this group. Minimizing what actually happened.

[@alexcarter8807]

The Wikipedia about Nicolas Cage is a good read. At one point, Mr. Cage actually hunted for the Holy Grail. He looked in England, and "some places in the United States".

[@merylcruz3820]

As a victim of bad homeschooling I've got to disagree with you. I think it should be illegal or at least far more heavily regulated than it is.

[@amberbydreamsart5467]

The issues are always a struggle to balance the fact that parents shouldn't be allowed to destroy their kids' lives just because they made them, and the fact that the government shouldn't have the power to take kids away from their parents for arbitrary breaks from the cultural norm. I do think better regulation of homeschool standards is absolutely something that should be of high priority in this country, but I balk at making most things that aren't 100% inherently harmful illegal, especially considering the harm public school can do to certain children.

[@Sauvenil]

@@amberbydreamsart5467 "the harm public school can do to certain children" yeah, it sucks as a child. But it only sucks as a child because some parents teach their children that it's okay to harass other people, and we were just the targets, sometimes for no reason. You'll be exposed to all sorts of assholes later in life. If you're not prepared for it, as an adult, someone taking advantage of you might completely destroy your life instead of just making you have a bad day. Public school, if anything, teaches you how bad humanity can be, and that you need to protect yourself from bad people, and how to spot a bad situation before it blows up in your face and avoid it completely.

[@user-te5po4bu8o]

Awesome guest

[@alexrempel12390]

Dammit Robert what was that professional opening?? That's not why I come here!!!

[@Yaspis]

Re: To Train Up a Child, I'm dropping a fly-by rec for Fundie Fridays's video on Michael and Debi Pearl here on YT. Be forewarned, it's pretty grim stuff, even for this bunch of absolute coconuts.

[@rowanrobbins]

I guess Gothard forgot to teach that the boys aren't supposed to lust after their sisters.

[@alexcarter8807]

You pickin' on White culture??

[@alexcarter8807]

You pickin' on White culture??

[@alexcarter8807]

You pickin' on White culture??

[@bloodlily1203]

Homeschooling is one of those things where I think it's pretty neutral but hot damn if it doesn't need to be better regulated. Like, legal contact with mandatory reporters at least once a year type better regulated. Also I rolled my eyes when the thing with 'eve eating the apple first means complementarianism is okay' thing. I think my pastor laughed in someone's face once for bringing that up.

[@kidnextdoor100]

this explains why eganglicals are against sex ed

[@cowbatboots282]

The 15 Bastard Degrees Of Steven Segal. Edit: oh shit they actually mention the Kevin Bacon thing I was referencing lmao.

[@plasticcoyote]

I wonder if there's enough info on John Piper for an episode about him. I have a friend who grew up in his community, like her parents were close friends and followers of his, and hoooo boyyy

[@windyrockbell3814]

You make a mistake in describing pre and post millennial dispensationalists as having to do with the changing to the new millennium. The millennium they are referring to is a thousand years of peace on earth as one of the stages set up in revelation and there was conflict on which side of that the ascension to heaven happens

[@bLAZay00]

They really dropped the ball letting this nonsense fester in the American background

[@BluetheRaccoon]

It wasn't a flaw, it was a feature. It fed the wolves that got us to the Christian Nationalist nonsense place we're at now.

[@andiward7068]

Well, freedom of religion allows all Americans the right to practice their chosen faith without government interference. We're very loathe to deny personal freedoms, lest we be the ones to lose them next.

[@TheDarthbinky]

The US has always been a hotbed of crazy religious people. The "Pilgrims" who basically created New England were fundamentalist psychos who fled the Netherlands because the Dutch were too tolerant for their taste (no joke, that's essentially what they gave as their reason for leaving). They of course eventually burned a handful of women for supposedly being witches, and abolished Christmas and birthday celebrations. And as soon as the Revolution was successful, despite the Enlightenment Deism of many Founders, there was a big religious revival called the Second Great Awakening (the first was in the early 1700s and affected the UK too) and it spawned the even crazier cults like Mormonism, Seventh Day Adventists, and so on. Most of these movements originated in western New York state, and the area thus became known as the "Burned Over District". Then there was a Third Great Awakening in the late 1800s that spawned Prohibition, and things like Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Science, and Kellogg's cum science stuff (BTB did some eps about that guy). I've seen a proposed "Fourth Great Awakening" in the 1960s-80s, covering the hard right-ward shift in evangelicals under Nixon and especially Reagan. Robert mentions early in this ep the shift where Baptists suddenly became *hard* anti-abortion. That was during this proposed era. There's always been this cycle of Americans becoming very religious and going in weird directions because of it.

[@jordinagel1184]

@@andiward7068yeah, but you should be able to draw a line at child and spousal abuse…

[@alexcarter8807]

It isn't *in* the American background, it *is* the American background.

[@jeepspeedracer]

I hate it when these kind of people can pop out kids no problem but actual good people struggle for like 4 years to have a kid after turning 30 years old. Of course the women in this situation are forced to live this life, but still.

[@embrikchloraker8186]

I wish more people considered adoption as an option. I know there's a lot of hoops to jump through but most people want to add to the problems rather than try to mitigate them.

[@LexYeen]

​@@embrikchloraker8186unfortunately adoption is its own unique hell of gatekeepers and means testing

[@andiward7068]

Quantity vs quality? For what it's worth, they often have difficult and dangerous pregnancies plagued with a higher than usual miscarriage rate.

[@sd-ch2cq]

​@@embrikchloraker8186There are very few children in need of adoption (there are a lot of children in need of some kind of financial adoption though)

[@wineoneone]

Sean is great bring him back.

[@cowbatboots282]

This was just uploaded less than an hour ago. Let them rest. 😂

[@Hudson316]

@@cowbatboots282 The episode is about two years old

[@lookinforanick]

Hey as someone who discovered your podcast here on YT fairly recently: is there a distribution channel for this podcast where you *actually* roll ads, or is the whole thing just a skit?

[@kirabrown2656]

Ads pop up on most podcast distribution apps that BtB is on. Sometimes read by Robert but often just whatever ads the distributor(?) put in there (there's more than a few episodes with digressions about getting ads for like Portland cops or something on an earlier episode and Robert just complaining about that for a bit)

[@LexYeen]

It's not a bit, in the podcast version those bumpers lead right into ads - usually. Episodes about particularly heinous events or people sometimes don't get ads.

[@Spyhermit]

apple and spotify both insert ads into the breaks.

[@alexcarter8807]

There are less ads than breaks, and the ads are kind of random - some are right on the break and some are just random.

[@loorthedarkelf8353]

As someone who is Autistic and Kinetic ( having features associated with ADD and ADHD, it's an identity term w/o the word disorder in it ) and only survived public school by the skin of my teeth, can confirm that I would have preferred to have educated at home.

[@alexcarter8807]

You and me both! But, the more I experience life and learn how things really work, the more I realize "soft skills" are probably more important than "hard skills". Public school's probably the best place to learn those skills but the way it's done currently, it's like teaching a kid to swim by throwing him in the deep end of the pool.

[@josephgalvez5048]

If your god’s rules are so unpleasant and extreme you have to deceive people into joining, maybe your god isn’t a good one.

[@regulusmasamuneryuku8657]

(Looked a bit into the book of Isaiah cuz of 3:12 ((the woman and children rule over them thing.) The whole chapter/verse thing wasn't part of the original text. Isaiah is one of the people saying Jesus is coming. Isaiah writes about how people have turned from righteousness and how messed up the world is. Historically, Jerusalem and Judah are in a very wealthy period. So there's a bunch of societal problems that boil down to: powerful rich people are bastards. So it's about how Judah and Jerusalem have become wicked and corrupt, and how Gd is going to bring justice onto them. A bunch of different English translations later, a more accurate direct meaning of the verse: Wicked rulers are acting like children, and women are controlling the leaders. Guy then goes on to define women in Jerusalem and Judah as acting seductively, haughty, and selfish. Feel like there may be a connection between women and selfish desires in this book. It gets messier when you take in how Different Judaism and Christianity view/treat women. And then there's the Council of Florence.)

[@Evocatorum]

I so wish the campaign had been successful. Wheeler sucks.

[@BlankPageEmperor1334]

I started reading about that mid-episode, and I'm saddened but not surprised (I live in Atlanta btw lmao.) The guy sounds like a magnificent dipshit, but his survival seems pretty neatly linked with liberals' hard refusal of systemic change of any kind.

[@JeniJustJeni]

I was in IBLP and ATI. AMA

[@dylanchouinard6141]

Shiny Happy People mentioned some racism among the beliefs, was that all or were they just scratching the surface?

[@JeniJustJeni]

@@dylanchouinard6141 I haven't finished the series yet, I watched the first two episodes and then I needed a break. But I'll finish it and I'll report back.

[@Bustermachine]

"Feminism is self consistent" . . . Man . . . somebody tell the Feminists! We can clear this whole mess up SO quickly! XD

[@andiward7068]

Just found the podcast and I'm a bit disappointed that the depth of coverage is often lacking details. Duggars first TLC show was started at 12 kids, in their rented house. "And Counting" was added because Michelle got pregnant while filming, and obvi continued to do so. The new house build was often featured on the show. Jim Bob's being in politics wasn't covered on the show, just that he had businesses, the primary being. .. Used Car Sales. Josh's acts began in the rental house when all the children were in closer quarters. Part of the reason the new house has girls bedrooms on one end, parents in the middle and boys on the other is as a further deterrent.

[@mookinbabysealfurmittens]

It's _almost_ as if you didn't read the title.

[@andiward7068]

@@mookinbabysealfurmittens what I should have said was "I'm disappointed with the inaccurate details given" as opposed to "lack of details".

[@callunas]

Fantastic episode. I have to disagree on them overestimating the changes brought about by feminism, though. Feminism and the related sexual revolution changed dynamics between men and women, reduced family size to sub-replacement fertility in many parts of the world, and delayed/reduced marriage in a way that's never been seen before. I think we can all agree that feminism has changed societies where it's taken root in very fundamental ways - the disagreement is that conservatives see this as bad and liberals see it as good.

[@LexYeen]

yes, feminism has caused changes for the better in the world. no, feminism is not the world-dominating force for emasculation some outspoken conservatives claim that it is. that was the point being made, comrade.

[@chris999999999999]

Blaming feminism for sub-replacement fertility is the "nobody wants to work anymore" of demographics. People don't have kids because they can't afford it and the world is increasingly seen as dying and collapsing. The only thing feminism did was make it so women aren't forced to have children under those conditions.

[@Intensifizer]

seagal's father came over on operation paperclip

[@LexYeen]

source?

[@alexcarter8807]

Uhh, no. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Seagal

[@alexcarter8807]

Uhh, no. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Seagal