Part Three: The Terrible Secret of Steve Jobs | BEHIND THE BASTARDS

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Part Three: The Terrible Secret of Steve Jobs | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Robert and Ed reach a crucial crux in the Steve Jobs story: his years of failed product launches and near destruction of Apple. Also, Bono appears.
Original Air Date: March 12, 2024
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There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.
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[@jorgeluz9560]

A little correction: Jobs didn't found Pixar. Pixar was originally a subdivision of ILM that George Lucas had to sell to Jobs to pay for his divorce.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

Jobs didn't found _anything_ worthwhile

[@zaqataq5146]

Ah, he's the founder in the way Elon founded Tesla

[@some_random_loser]

not gonna lie, the anecdote by Lisa Jobs about him going after her cousin for eating a burger makes me feel like it's amazing that no one had actually decked Jobs in the face before. probably because Jobs would have burst into tears just before they did, I guess? god, what an ass.

[@ninjalokust]

Is the cousin sarah? I had to pause the video to come down here because I think I missed something and got really confused about the dinner and who was the perspective we were in. I know there is the mother and daughter and the way my brain connected things was that sarah was the daughter and her mother Lisa Chrissie....but then I kept it running and it seems there were three people and Lisa is the perspective we are in and from the last episode I remember the book is written by the daugthter... So Sarah is Lisa's cousin?

[@justinwatson1510]

@nina, I had the same confusion. It sounds like you got it straightened out.

[@bobspldbckwrds]

Good to know I wasn't the only one who was wondering why no one ever popped him one during his screaming sessions.

[@marocat4749]

to a 7 year old , also telling that lisas mom lrearned from her mom who, did learn from knowing him. Which is, implying a lot bad situations. Also lisa is pretty smart there emotionally ?

[@westcoast1155]

It was a different, worse time. If anything, half the people at that restaurant probably thought Jobs was being enlightened by excoriating the kid verbally instead of spanking them in the washroom or w/e. I'm also assuming the demographic in the room was very white, upper middle class, and therefore the "it's none of my business" vibes were powerful. Speaking from personal experience, it's amazing how quickly abuse becomes reasonable discipline once you move up a few tax brackets! And yeah, he probably would have cried if someone had confronted him with it. Just cried and cried about how hard he was trying and how toxic and defiant the kid was being, even though he just wanted the best for her. What a piece of shit. I never really cared much about him one way or the other, but this episode makes me wish his death had been more painful. Rest in Piss you utter waste

[@de_la_Nae]

the sheer projection of Steve when he's tearing into that child like way to externalize your problems onto the innocent, dude

[@ivanterrible7362]

The idea of Bono being a Bono impersonator impersonator brings me joy.

[@dhatfield8411]

The part about Woz reading about Jobs' theft hurt.

[@stringlarson1247]

Right? That kind of treachery just cuts through one's entire being. At least Wozniak is a pretty happy looking guy with I'm sure plenty of great people in his life. Oh, and some walking around money.

[@stefanoalves8862]

40:10 Xerox pretty much called every single shot for computers a decade early in Parc Labs and decided to draw a walk. It's truly insane how much tech innovations they gave up to play safe.

[@jorgeluz9560]

Reminds me how an engineer at Kodak developed a digital camera all the way back in the 70s and the company buried it in their vault so nobody could know about it just so it wouldn't mess with their business model.

[@Unf0rget]

What's awful is all the people who need to hear this only see 'Stacked papers, fuck the haters'. Sex pest? Liar? Massive manipulator? A moron whose ego was their own death? Doesn't matter. he was "self-made" rich therefor he was good. The tech bro crowd could be forced, eyes glued open, to relive every moment of Job's failings as a human being and they'd come out the other side and thank everyone for the opportunity to learn directly from the gospel of their idol.

[@SuperSmashDolls]

35:50 "...because you're not supposed to have the name of the acronym in the acronym" OH MY GOD WAIT UNTIL YOU FIND OUT ABOUT RICHARD STALLMAN AND GNU

[@CoreDump451]

Lol my thoughts exactly! *angry programmer noises*

[@fish3977]

Having the acronym in the meaning is a proud programmer tradition darn it! Best ones are cyclical as well

[@ErwinPommel]

@@fish3977 I've always enjoyed Benoit B Mandelbrot. The B stands for Benoit B Mandelbrot.

[@Lismakingmovie]

or WINE

[@fish3977]

@@Lismakingmovie is not an emulator

[@kurt9894]

KZbin is really the place for this podcast. No ads with ad blocker and actual listener comments thay are often engaging

[@stringlarson1247]

One of the many reasons I pay a few $ a month for premium.

[@justinwatson1510]

Maybe he was so dedicated to not bathing that he wouldn't even entertain the idea of putting his feet somewhere people washed themselves.

[@rustomkanishka]

Last time I was this early Jobs had scurvy.

[@ocularpatdown]

😂

[@GuerillaBunny]

It's also hilarious that mister spiritual purity vegan is like "You know what we need? A guy who sells Pepsi. Yeah, I wanna be Pepsi."

[@pennywaldrip3774]

KZbin is weird. Every quote from Lisa is followed by an ad about depression. Lovely.

[@westcoast1155]

3:22 Every time some dipshit journalist calls SBF a geenyus for basic stimming behavior like playing League during meetings, I die a little bit more inside. Imagine a world where everyone's ADHD was treated with the same bizarre reverence techbros have for SBF's, even if their parents *aren't* coastal literati. Like, cool! I'm 2hrs late to work because I got caught in a complicated and inescapable mental loop involving the "'Trombone Failure;' Sewer Theme" from GBA's classic "Urban Yeti" but who cares? I'm not sTuPiD, iM aDvAnCeD!.

[@bobsonny]

> I'm 2hrs late to work because I got caught in a complicated and inescapable mental loop involving the "'Trombone Failure;' Sewer Theme" from GBA's classic "Urban Yeti" Sorry but what?

[@EzraFieldsofStrawberry]

​@@bobsonny Man has niche interests I guess

[@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick]

Y’know, maybe it’s NOT very sad that Steve Jobs died of Ligma.

[@thesuperpunmaster6369]

Who the hell is Steve Jobs?

[@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick]

@@thesuperpunmaster6369 Ligma Balls.

[@johnrippen5662]

Ligma balls@@thesuperpunmaster6369

[@theoneandonlymichaelmccormick]

@@thesuperpunmaster6369Ligmaballs.

[@Adam-kn3tv]

What is "died"? Ligma balls

[@loorthedarkelf8353]

Hooooof... i live with PTSD after an abusive childhood, and hearing what Jobs did to his daughter reminds me of my father to a panic inducing degree. You may consider adding a pinned comment or something in the description offering a trigger warning and time codes to skip the explicit description. My father was an expert at picking mundane behaviors apart until I or one of my siblings was sobbing and begging him to stop, telling him he'd already won and they'd do whatever he wanted. I was the youngest by four years. I do not like remembering the time between my elder siblings moving out and myself escaping that house. He got sober a few years after I moved away. He is a better father, now. Definitely better to talk to. But that memory still hurts when prodded.

[@stringlarson1247]

CPTSD is such a big deal. There's a growing amount of research on it and treatment modalities for it. Even for a geezer of 60, things can change.

[@Southboundpachyderm]

Ohhhhh shit it’s the Second to last episode and it’s *only* an hour. I must save myself and indulge when episode 4 comes out. This series has been great

[@justinwatson1510]

You are in for one hell of a ride.

[@leelewis8749]

Lol all I can think about Steve jobs is the human centi-pad episode.

[@Velkhana22]

I'm so disappointed by the lack of acknowledgement of the SotN reference, that caught me off guard and made me laugh. Good joke, Ed

[@JD3Gamer]

As a computer history nerd I feel the need to fill in why Apple was interested in what Next brought to the table. The Mac quickly became Apple’s main computer line. The original Mac was an achievement in cost cutting to make a “relatively affordable” computer. It was similar to the Lisa but instead of $10000 it cost a bit over $2000. The problem is that to do so the Mac team had to make an extremely lean OS. It would over time become increasingly difficult to add features that were becoming mainstream. For example, MacOS didn’t have true multitasking support. It had what was called cooperative multitasking which is less powerful than preemptive multitasking which all OSs use today (Windows 95 was the first version of Windows to support it I think). Classic MacOS also didn’t have protected memory meaning that if one piece of software crashed it would take the whole system down with it and you’d have to reboot. Both of these features and more could, theoretically, be built into the classic MacOS but it would be a huge undertaking which Apple was not in the position to do. Microsoft did it with Windows but it still took moving Windows from DOS based to Windows NT. They essentially had to build a new OS from the ground up to make something more modern. Apple, then looked to UNIX as a way to add all these features and have a truly modern OS. UNIX had been around for a long time and was a very powerful base to build an OS on. This is why basically every non-Windows OS is based on UNIX. What Next had was a respectable UNIX based OS that had a lot of interesting user interface features that Apple liked. Jobs also poached people from Apple when he founded Next and so these people were already familiar with the Mac. Mac OS X was essentially a brand new OS with more DNA from Next than from the classic MacOS. If you wanted to run classic Mac apps you had to boot a virtual machine under Mac OS X to do so. This functionality was built in but it was still not ideal. But a UNIX based OS was so much better that it didn’t take very long for developers to get on board with it and all of Apple’s current OSs are directly descendant of the original Mac OS X and to an extent NextStep (the name of the Next OS). The classic example of this is that every version of Mac OS X has shipped with a 3D chess game that is literally a port of the one that shipped with NextStep.

[@SuperSmashDolls]

OSX wasn't the first UNIX-based Mac OS. Before that they had A/UX which ran classic Mac applications on top of a UNIX kernel. Windows also had the same limitations classic Mac OS had - Microsoft copied a lot of ideas from the Mac. To shorten a lot of history (e.g. OS/2 and NT) they were able to fix it in Windows 95 without making too many API changes. Apple needed to do the same thing, but instead wound up burning money on Taligent and Copland, two wide-ranging "burn the world down and rebuild it" projects that managers would hang their employees off of to avoid layoffs or reassignment. Even when they bought NeXT, Jobs insisted on Rhapsody completely replacing Mac OS with no upgrade path for developers beyond "full rewrite". Existing apps got siloed off into a Mac OS 8 VM called Blue Box that didn't work with the rest of the system at all. This pissed off Apple's developers to the point where Jobs had to eat humble pie and ship a proper upgrade path to OSX for Mac apps (Carbon) and not just NeXT apps.

[@JD3Gamer]

@@SuperSmashDolls you are right. However, A/UX wasn’t very successful or good and wasn’t really ever targeted at the average user. It was more to get government contracts during the brief period the government required UNIX based operating systems for their activities. The rest is detail I omitted because I wrote this from memory. Thank you for the clarification ❤️

[@stringlarson1247]

I got into NeXTSTEP/OpenStep Obj-C around 95,6 after doing embedded systems, RTOS using Sun workstations and GNU tools for crosscompiler stuff. I loved the obj-c as opposed to C++, and having a real *nix command line was/is great. I was and still am grateful that things played out the way they did. I love the macbook pro, but all the rest of the iCrap, pffft, keep it. The Carbon/cocoa blah blah was a PITA, but I was doing Java and Python for that. Sorry, what were we talking about?

[@chriscostello4203]

Pirates of silicon valley has a funny scene about Xerox basically giving up the mouse idea.. I really think you guys should have included that movie in your podcast

[@dirtydee1233]

In hindsight, that cable TV movie was the most honest portrayal of Jobs and Gates. Noah Wyle's performance was great; he portrayed Jobs as the asshole he really was.

[@mgiantpurplepanda]

Dropping the fucking Castlevania quote in response to the appliance question nearly killed me

[@treknut72]

Every time I get myself into a dark place, I realise that I haven't listened to this podcast for a while. Thanks team🖖

[@justinwatson1510]

Putting the acronym in the name of the acronym is not uncommon in tech projects. GNU stands for GNU's Not Unix, and I think PHP is also a "recursive" acronym.

[@RvEijndhoven]

To be fair, the original idea for the acronym was just 'NU'. Not Unix. But someone else felt it had to be at least three letters. Hence 'GNU', with a silent 'G'.

[@SuperSmashDolls]

PHP used to be "Personal Home Page" but I don't think that applies anymore. Also, RMS could totally get a Behind the Bastards episode on his own. He's a weird mix of "correctly recognizing that the tech industry is run by bastards" and "narcissistic crybaby that does disgusting things with his feet in public"

[@justinwatson1510]

@@RvEijndhoven I've always heard that the G is pronounced.

[@BaraScrae]

I just caught the fucking Castlevania joke during the appliance aside that slapped a laugh out of my noise hole well done

[@uzimonkey]

Having the name in the acronym is a bit of a tradition in the computer culture of that era. It's called a recursive acronym and I think it originates, at least the computing sphere, from the MIT hacker scene in the 60s and 70s. The only one that really survives to this day is GNU, which stands for GNU is Not UNIX.

[@dakinayantv3245]

You should've started with a disclaimer "This podcast includes descriptions of Steve Jobs revolting personal habits. Discretion is advised."

[@davidrobertson4332]

The Apple II GS if it had not been purposely slowed down in performance was the way to go.

[@jamiefrontiera1671]

This is reminds me of some post I saw on Facebook saying that mean people are stupid and smart people have compassion. When I saw that, I was like, that unfortunately is not the case. It's a nice idea, and I'm not saying that there aren't smart and kind people, after all look at Wozniak, but intellectual intelligence and social intelligence are not related. After all look at jobs.

[@firefly6147]

Perhaps theres a deeper meaning in that saying. Mean people dont realize that by being nice they could get alot more. More than they get when being mean. And I think listening to this Jobs saga, and many others, its pretty obvious many of these people become rich and famous despite their personality, not because of it. Like Jobs was just manipulative narcisist at right place at right time. Like Im thinking if I, and probably many been in Woz place, Jobs wouldve been just a smelly bum with chpped tooth no ones ever heard of.

[@emexdizzy]

2:57 what's so irksome to me as a ADHD-having non-binary person raised a girl is that only guys are allowed to get away with the excuse of "oh, but my marvelous intellect demands I play LoL in this meeting". I got so much shit when I needed a non-language task to still the twitchies so I could pay attention in classes and lectures, you don't get the genius card if you're presenting as a girl, so I resent Sam for this out of pure fucking spite.

[@leslietaylor1396]

I was living in Tokyo when Jobs died. Shrines were set up in front of Apple stores, candles were lit and vigils kept. This was ALL for Jobs. Later, I did some coaching at Apple Japan. The culture was cult-like!

[@RaptorJesus]

Ehhh, are you sure that wasn't just some regular Shinto rituals? I'm genuinely asking, because from what I understand of the faith, this doesn't sound *that* out of the ordinary.

[@DissertatingMedieval]

Fun fact, that you can read about if you read Jaron Lanier's _You Are Not a Gadget_: Raskin wanted the Mac to not have files and folders. Jobs, in pushing him out, insists on files and folders, and now we have a hard time of not thinking of computing in terms of files and folders at all.

[@William-Morey-Baker]

... i am sitting here stumped, trying to come up with a different system... one that isnt just a reskin. i can kind of picture something, but its genuinely hard to imagine

[@DissertatingMedieval]

@@William-Morey-BakerThe way Lanier explains it is this: "The first iteration of the Macintosh, which never shipped, didn’t have βiles. Instead, the whole of a user’s productivity accumulated in one big structure, sort of like a singular personal web page." (13) The way I explained it when I was using the file/folder metaphor to explain something in a chapter I wrote was that "the idea of 'files' is a mental conceit to allow users who were steeped in analogue file systems to get up to speed on the computer quickly. In fact, the earliest forms of the pre-OS X Macintosh File System were 'flat'- that is to say, they had all of their information stored at what we would consider the root of the filesystem."

[@DissertatingMedieval]

@@William-Morey-BakerAlso the fact you're having trouble was precisely what I was getting at in that part of the chapter. It will likely be boring, as it's not really about the file/folder metaphor, but if you're interested here is the link and the section in question is at 96-100: docs.google.com/viewerng/viewer?url=sandbox.matthewedavis.net/articles/ARC-MMC_Davis-Digital_Davis.pdf

[@SuperSmashDolls]

And then Jobs would do a complete 180 on that and ship the iPad with no ability to manage files

[@trunkage]

Woah Ed. Two minutes in and you are already spoiling the end of this story

[@firestormingfox4169]

Sega does what pepsi-don't.

[@MrJohndoakes]

28:00 The deal with the Apple II, II+, IIc, IIe is that schools both public and private bought them by the ton, and there was a huge aftermarket collection of educational software for these computers. They also got a lot of mileage from small office businesses that needed digital spreadsheets and word processing. The Apple II home computing market came from all the people using them in education.

[@MrJohndoakes]

.....So it is utterly insane that Jobs is trying to kill the thing that is keeping Apple Computer from liquidation.

[@undergroundman1993]

They were still using Apple IIs when I started elementary school in 1998. I loved using them so much I still keep a //e around today. They’re still pretty awesome machines.

[@HygelakBlogspot]

Steve Jobs adopting crypto might have depended on whether it was his daughter or not.

[@peterhoff6776]

I'm disappointed that Robert doesn't appreciate the long proud tradition of recursive acronyms in tech

[@EphemeralTao]

Sticking your feet in the toilet and flushing it is an old ballet dancer's trick for a quick and easy cooling footbath. Cold water on over-stressed feet is very soothing; any actual whirlpool foot bath in the studio would be reserved for the prima and maybe lower-ranked soloists, generally not the corps de ballet "rats".

[@cookieface80]

Having the name of the acronym in the acronym is a tech thing, like WINE (stands for WINE Is Not an Emulator).

[@overlordcacius]

Looking up rule 34 dishwashers.

[@GageEakins]

A really good movie about all. This is the pirates of silicon valley. It does show a lot of the things that are talked about in these episodes.

[@pr0t34n]

I just want to say, I caught the SotN reference

[@SesshyLover777]

Twiggy drive brought back a long dormant part of my memory I didn't even know I fucking HAD 😅

[@billmozart7288]

52:05 The Pepsi of computers. Apt comparison

[@solomonreal1977]

Steve JAAAAAAAERBS

[@ocularpatdown]

JEEEORRRRRBBBSSSS!

[@berrim26]

I resent the comparison. Coach Z took a shower once!

[@stringlarson1247]

Hey tuuk rrr jeers. Duukrrrjooor

[@biertrang]

that 84' ad sounds similar to the LBJ daisy ad lol

[@cookieface80]

Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden is the exception to the rich guy plane thing.

[@kaitar0]

Went of to listen Free Man in Paris afterthe Jobs quote about what he would be doing if he wasn't a rich, famous tech guy. And then we talk about a famous ad. Perfect pairing

[@damejanea.macdonald2371]

Steve's treatment of his child is *especially* terrible when *his* parents (the adoptive ones, of course) were *so* loving it ended up being bad for him. He could maybe have put even 1% of that into his own child. (No, he couldn't have, because he's a terrible person.)

[@johnrobie7444]

A lot of monsters get covered on this show who are worse than Steve Jobs, but Jobs may be the biggest asshole.

[@merepseu]

Something I never thought I'd actually vocalise about anyone: The one and only tragedy of this man's death is that sickness can't take him again.

[@stringlarson1247]

Audio engineering suggestion: Robert needs the eq around 8k dropped at couple of dB. Love the podcast.

[@kyletowers9662]

I can't believe it took not wanting to look like an asshole in front of Bono for him to admit the computer was named after his daughter

[@mikey-wl2jt]

"i dont want to get all Butlerian Jihad on you here" 😂❤

[@martindagoat3909]

I don’t get it. Why name it the LISA if you’re going to do everything in your power to not admit you named it after your daughter

[@RaptorJesus]

"I don't think Elon Musk would do that to a 7 year old" ...yeah, yeah. I'll give him that. God damn you, Steve Jobs. You're making me *moderately compliment Musk.*

[@jeffkleist9679]

They re-purposed the cube for the G4 cube, one of the greatest financial disasters Apple had. The Xbox is that shape because it allows it to eliminate heat very efficiently, if you are allergic to fans like steve jobs is

[@jaimeondrusek5429]

Migo? Really? Apparently nobody at those companies ever read Lovecraft.

[@fordesponja]

19:17 It was never successful. On paper it was a beast of a computer, really innovative and with Jobs' sensibilties on display, it was a truly beautiful machine on the outside. In reality it was a moronic design that had a solid metal casting as case without any kind of ventilation that cooked the motherboard and nowadays it has become a very rare collectionist piece not only because it flopped hard but also because it's hard to find a working one.

[@jimmymcmillan3312]

This reminds me of what I think was a 30 for 30 podcast I listened to about the guy who came up with how sports are broadcasted and shown on TV. He was called a genius at times but the podcast argued that he wasn't brilliant, he just knew what people would want to watch. Jobs had the same talent. His knowledge and interest in teck was deep as his interest in eastern religions. He wasn't a genius like Waz. Just a guy with basic tastes who knew what people would want

[@bobsonny]

"teck" 💀

[@howwitty]

Doesn't want to be their supervised visitor.* If that translated to "doesn't want to be there, maybe considerations should be made for how the arrangement developed.

[@puttiplush]

I legit cannot believe the LENGTHS Jobs went to* Actively* NOT acknowledge his daughter. Ignoring a daughter? Shitty but predictable. Naming a computer after your daughter and then insisting to her face that you didn't and that she will never receive anything from you because she means nothing to you? Running on some 4D levels of spite there. Gaslight Gatekeep Girl what girl I don't have a girl

[@Smidge204]

Waiting anxiously for the Apple Newton/Steven Seagal connection.

[@gregmark1688]

It's weird to me that I had to think for a minute to realize that "Butlerian Jihad" is not an actual, normal noun in our universe. :/

[@braddavistube]

Bo no. That's how I say that bastards self given name.

[@NeighborhoodOfBlue]

I think he tormented the little girl over her hamburger because the burger was a temptation for him, and to tempt him is to threaten him. And to threaten a narcissist is to make yourself a target. It didn't matter that she's a child, only that eating a burger in his presence makes him want it, which threatens his identity. I bet he shamefully ate meat in the dark when no one was around. FWIW, ethical animal husbandry > veganism. We've changed most of these animals beyond their ability to survive without us through selective breeding, and there is no magical 'free the slave animals' like PETA pretends is possible. We either treat them responsibly or remove them entirely, and I don't think mass slaughter is preferable to ethical husbandry.

[@DefendYoungstown]

Wasn't there a short period of time where he tried to say the "Lisa" was supposed to be a reference The Mona Lisa; that the project was going to be a "an iconic work of art that changed the world" in what was kind-of a prototypical version of the "think different" push used way later on the iMac? Just nobody fell for it then.

[@Naomi_Zone]

oh hell yeah i just got off work dawg

[@GBart]

Coke and Pepsi make multi-million dollar deals with partners like restaurants too, so it's not completely dissimilar. That's actually the point I thought you were making at first.

[@dogearflopper7011]

Behind the Bono

[@marocat4749]

its also succh a dumb thing to strangle the apple 2 but better, that was such a guaranteed sucess its , a bad decision in any acount.

[@alonedownthere47]

is it just me or is it dumb that people keep even asking if the Lisa is named after his daughter Lisa 😭 it's like they're setting up a running bit, it would make more sense if it were like "oh, like your daughter" and he's like "no."

[@AkiVainio]

Having the acronym as part of the acronym has a long history in IT. PHP is short for PHP Hypertext Preprocessor and GNU is short for GNU Not UNIX.

[@stringlarson1247]

Didja ever think how much of what we do today probably wouldn't exist without GNU?

[@joe2k20]

1:08:43

[@Virjunior01]

37:46 I see you like... Castlevania!

[@mmcg2002]

Elon Musk famously disowned one of his children for being trans, idk about the "at least Elon Musk cares about his children" comments 😐

[@TheDarthbinky]

He talks a lot about how he works 140 hours a week, stopping only to sleep on factory floors. And that's on top of his unhealthy obsession with shitposting on Twitter. He is also quite proud of being a spendthrift, bragging that he doesn't even own his own home. I can't imagine he has much time to actually have any role in his kids' lives.

[@Scriven42]

Dr. Pepper FTW!

[@daniellundberg2875]

Robert doesn't meth-shame :D

[@peterpodgorski]

Sounds a lot like Elon Musk... in all the bad ways

[@GBart]

SomethingAwful is WAAAAAY better than 4chan

[@ErwinPommel]

You know, whatever you can say about Jobs, gloating and laughing about his death mere moments after accusing the man of having no class is rather lacking in self-awareness.

[@GilGTG]

Man I almost finished the episode until you endorsed Pepsi, the worst tasting battery cleaner in the industry ❤

[@williamkarbala5718]

Is that thing about screaming at the kid corroborated? Like did he have other shit going on at the time?

[@ParacelsusCaspari]

first

[@solomonreal1977]

bastard 😝

[@EfiniX]

Christ, are we still doing this? Lame.

[@Ezekiel_Allium]

Me when I've been fooled by the demiurge and my divine spark will be forever trapped and tormented in the material world, left behind even as the great redeemer returns to pardon even the non believers who failed to achieve gnosis. Freed at the end of all things they'll all look down upon that pitiful left behind soul with sorrowful and remorseful eyes. Carried into the heavenly pleroma on the back of christ they'll see my wretched form and as the evil and sin and taint is washed from them they'll see me and their pity will be washed away as well, and they will proclaim "Lol, lmao even."

[@simontmiers]

mmmmmmmm. tuurrpenntiiine.🤤🤤

[@stringlarson1247]

VOCs be damned. Gonna have to pry turpentine outta my . . .

[@FoNgThOnG]

The man is dead and y'all just ragging on him? Do it again and again lol

[@ErwinPommel]

It's pretty gross. Every episode the guest is making some joke about how he's glad Jobs is dead, or wishing that he died more painfully. My dad was probably a sociopath. He was neglectful, emotionally abusive, and manipulative in many ways that ring familiar when I read/hear about how Jobs treated his kids, especially when he was younger. But you know what? I'm not glad my dad is dead, and I wish he was still alive. I'd bet you that Steve Jobs' kids aren't glad he's dead. I really dislike the guest in these episodes for his constant... deadshaming? Can I call it that?

[@tybkc]

​@@ErwinPommelhe didn't just abuse his kids he stole the work of everyone around him and cried like a baby when he was called on it, that is to ignore the highly unethical practises he used to produce his companies devices. The concept of not talking "Ill of the dead" is a childish concept he's not immune to criticism or ill will just because he decided to eat a diet that killed him. He was a scumbag who current scumbags seek to emulate. In short fuck em

[@deathbyelasticbodies6619]

My dad is an absolute monster, but Steve Jobs is a wonderful reminder that my mom fucking rules.