Part Two: Vince McMahon, History's Greatest Monster | BEHIND THE BASTARDS

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Part Two: Vince McMahon, History's Greatest Monster | BEHIND THE BASTARDS
Robert is joined again by Sean and Tom to continue to discuss Vince McMahon.
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Original Air Date: May 18, 2023
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There’s a reason the History Channel has produced hundreds of documentaries about Hitler but only a few about Dwight D. Eisenhower. Bad guys (and gals) are eternally fascinating. Behind the Bastards dives in past the Cliffs Notes of the worst humans in history and exposes the bizarre realities of their lives. Listeners will learn about the young adult novels that helped Hitler form his monstrous ideology, the founder of Blackwater’s insane quest to build his own Air Force, the bizarre lives of the sons and daughters of dictators and Saddam Hussein’s side career as a trashy romance novelist.
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[@callunas]

As someone who knew zero about wrestling prior to this podcast, I feel like I'm learning about some alien civilization

[@JackgarPrime]

The world of wrestling is definitely something of an alternate dimension to the reality we live in. I love it, but it's...not normal, that's for damn sure. Even for an entertainment industry.

[@SgtKaneGunlock]

the more i learn about wrestling the more i notice it in everything its like Microplastics minus the horrible consequences

[@JackgarPrime]

@@SgtKaneGunlock Wrrstling terminology can be used to describe almost any form of storytelling, even things that happen in real life.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

​@@SgtKaneGunlockit is all-pervasive

[@joemckim1183]

@@JackgarPrime For example in Star Wars, Luke Skywalker is the babyface while Darth Vader is the heel.

[@JJGerrard1980]

125 min 1st ep. 28 mins into 2nd episode and we're still not even up to Vince in the WWE. You guys suck.

[@coreyc1685]

On the name McMahon, in Ireland, where the name is from, it's pronounced 'McMah-hon'. The American 'McMan' way of saying it always sounded weird to me.

[@chekz3520]

Shit I'm 32 and got sent to a bootcamp for weed and not finishing 20 hours of community service. That's still happening today just wanted to put that out there. The courts have a deal with a company called Tite of Passage that you could certainly do an episode on. They have killed kids a few times.

[@chekz3520]

To be clear this was when I was 16 . It fucked me all up, thankfully I found better drugs than weed to cope with that.

[@nickscurvy8635]

So you are saying an anti drug program was a gateway drug to harder drugs?

[@chekz3520]

@@nickscurvy8635 yes

[@samg6940]

Not that it really matters, but Roddy Piper was 49 when he gave that interview about dying before he made it to 65

[@shaurmiath6719]

I'm just shaking my head at how Vincent Sr. thought it was weird that his son was obsessed with him and his world, and y'all touched on it a bit. You've got this kid who was abandoned or let down by like... all the adults in his life, who finally meets his biological father who is a filthy rich celebrity in easily the coolest industry possible for a kid that age, and the guy can't figure out why this kid is obsessed with him and his world? Yeah, what could possibly be wrong with that kid? I'm not trying to say Vince isn't weird, but he's not weird for that.

[@TheDarthbinky]

I was in the Army in the 90s and they used to talk about how in the olden days (like Vietnam era), if you were convicted of certain non-violent crimes you were often given the choice of joining the military or going to prison. So a lot of guys chose to go fight in Vietnam rather than go to prison (and a lot smartly chose prison). Vince seems to have glommed onto that narrative to make himself seem more bad ass than he actually was. Also, if your biological father is married to a woman who isn't your biological mother, she's your stepmom.

[@sofieselene]

Worth noting that being given the choice between prison or the military still happens all the time today. There's just a whole pipeline for it now via the Juvenile Detention system. Especially in the South.

[@loorthedarkelf8353]

I'm someone who has struggled with rage and violence issues since an extremely young age. No one who found violence that young brags about it.

[@RexytheRexy]

Amen. I have Bipolar 1, with probable autism as a co-morbid disorder, and my symptoms hit young. The anger, temper, and aggression are the traits I fought the hardest, and to this day, I'm ashamed of them. I was a big, big kid. I don't know how I avoided resorting to violence against others, but I took out a door and dented walls by the time I was 11. I don't know what it would take for someone to be legitimately proud of that behavior. I'm still apologizing to my parents for it 25 yrs later.

[@gd6854]

@@RexytheRexyforgive yourself Rexy. You likely did the best you could.

[@RexytheRexy]

@@gd6854 Thank you so much, kind stranger. I had a severe, early-onset mental illness (Schizoaffective Disorder, recently diagnosed), but I worry about using that as an excuse for the many things in my life that I'm ashamed of. You have no idea how much I needed to hear something like this. It means a lot to me.

[@babaganouche9605]

Agreed. I also struggle with rage and anger, not something I am proud of. Something I am continually learning how to deal with in healthier ways.

[@MrGksarathy]

Amen to that. Have had anger and violence issues since I was at least 5, and every time I got into a fight or hit someone, it never felt good. Even now, I still feel a ton of guilt for how often I hit my parents. Looking back, a lot of that was probably my undiagnosed ADHD and possibly bipolar II.

[@thewkovacs316]

dont try this at home, but wrestlers knew exactly where to cut themselves to cause the most blood flow if you look at wrestlers who were in the game for years, they had a buildup of scar tissue on their heads from cutting themselves

[@everforward5561]

Yeah, the forehead areas is full of small capillaries close to the surface. Bleeds easy, bleeds hard, and but also extremely fast to clot.

[@thewkovacs316]

@@everforward5561 it's also why a ton of guys chose to bleach their hair....the blood showed up better

[@joemckim1183]

@@thewkovacs316 And it also made it easier to play a pretty boy with bleached blonde hair.

[@EBannion]

His story about beating up the airforce guys sounds just like the Star Trek reboot when Kirk gets the shit kicked out of him by cadets in the bar.

[@jessaminehaak8253]

Perhaps weirdly a lot of the stuff Vince talks about to do with his childhood misadventures (shall we say, to avoid this comment getting censored lol) have a ring of truth to me because it's filtered so heavily through this lens of it being extremely weird and difficult to understand to him at the time - which I can say due to personal experience is more or less at least part of the truth of that kind of experience. You don't have a proper frame of mind with which to understand things that are going on, but it does change you, long before you're really capable of understanding how or why. The kind of weirdness to do with leaves and so forth definitely strikes me as the sort of thing that could be wrought on a mind too young to fully grasp what it's been introduced to.

[@Astro_Guy_1]

10:40 the "on the roads" segment is so funny

[@Chaucer89]

May have to add a few more episodes to this saga eh?

[@haraldharam9334]

fun podcast to listen to, when reading all the shit coming out of vince recently, literally, he is shitting on pretty girls heads, only God nows what else

[@witecatj6007]

After hearing about Vince's past, the sheer volume of hillbilly wrestlers now makes sense

[@bigbadjimmysweet]

He does a consistently good job at getting three syllables out of the word "wrestling."

[@pete3767]

I mean that's correct, surely? Wrestle-ing. Even if you say it 'ress-ling' I figure that's some regional accents making the three syllables sound almost like two, and through habit or the way pronunciation can drift, some people say it like two syllables (which is just as legit).

[@bigbadjimmysweet]

@@pete3767 Yes, I think you’re right about that. I was coming from a whimsical place, not a seriously critical place.

[@TORGOoOo]

algorithm boosting comment

[@thebadshave503]

There is absolutely nothing more old school wrestling than Doc Graham being like 'yeah I impulsively started a race riot with that shot to the face but what a show for everyone involved huh?"

[@function0077]

After listening to this, it makes more sense to me that Vince and DJT are friends (lying, wrestling, military school, NYC, etc.).

[@enderhx]

Again, would like to see these pictures being shared :)

[@markbilger2851]

Kind of occurred to me re-listening to this episode, but given how many Bastards seem to interview with Playboy.. I think Robert is legitimately the person reading Playboy for the articles lol

[@BeastNationXIV]

I just had a revelation....Young Vince is basically Steven Crowder. Just an uncool, untough jabroni who just wanted to be a badass, and is just a fascist. He's been that all the way up till now. Sheesh.

[@jadedheartsz]

not exactly, Vince had an abusive father, Crowder has no such freudian excuse.

[@SgtKaneGunlock]

i wouldn't call Vince a fascist im mean his shittinus seems more geared towards enriching himself than it does some vague authoritarian ideal which id argue isn't exclusive to fascism

[@jack-a-lopium]

Also, Crowder is super-gay.

[@billxmas889]

Wasnt Vince's mom originally married to Jim Crockett Sr. and she was kinda known around the Wrestling scene ?

[@noodledragon2092]

As a nurse in Phoenix Arizona, I can 100% confirm shit like this happens in hospitals.

[@RexytheRexy]

As someone 36, born with a congenital spine defect, for whom walking can be a "retreat to pain medication cave like a snarling bear" affair, I cannot imagine the level of punishment these men took. Having extra muscle mass in my upper and lower body that stabilized my spine, and experiencing a lifetime of abnormal muscle development, I've learned all too well what the consequences of even *slightly* asymmetrical muscle-builds is like in the core, back, and legs. If these dudes (and chicks) had a dollar for every time they've needed deep muscle lidocaine injections into the sides of their spines, they would have made a year's salary over a lifetime. Also, I firmly believe Andy Kaufman could have taken Vince McMahon.

[@noxthemc7717]

"If we're counting leaf stuff..."

[@function0077]

This episode has the best intro for this podcast, which admittedly isn't saying much.

[@JohnnyTightlips01]

The average wrestlers salary is only 52k a year? Where does that figure come from that's appallingly low, I thought most WWE wrestlers earn 100k+?

[@ArsyaUtomo]

yeah, yeah, most of WWE wrestler only broke just below 100k, so 82-99 ish. if you're a star, it's an easy 6-7 figs

[@JackgarPrime]

Most wrestlers aren't in WWE. Or even in AEW, New Japan Pro Wrestling, or any other major organization. Most are indie wrestlers working small shows in bingo halls and high school gymnasiums. Not the biggest paydays in the world. And even among those in the WWE, most of them are in developmental positions at the Performance Center, which has much lower pay than people who actually get regularly featured on television.

[@resident-evil-jerma5389]

that’s the average. most indie wrestlers need another job to make ends meet. ESPECIALLY in smaller cities or towns

[@gdw3112]

There's a reason why Hotdogs and a Handshake is used often when detailing what Indie wrestlers are getting

[@skheel8188]

Just stumbled upon this podcast. Love it. New subscriber! Keep up the informative, and hilarious, content

[@DogSlobberGardens-i7f]

50K/yr was pretty good money in the 80s and 90s, but it isn't even a middle-class salary today. In the 2020s there's no way you can pay off a home and raise a family on that without a lot of help or a second income or something. Never mind supporting a painkiller/steroid habit. These people are destroying themselves to be, among the working poor,, even more than the working poor normally do.

[@whatsoperadoc7050]

I don’t know if Robert Evans sees these comments but on the off chance he does: look up what former NFL offensive lineman Richie Incognito did at his dad’s funeral.

[@ZorroinArkham]

Sean Baby fucking rules

[@stingrey1571]

The grahams are an episode to themselves.

[@peterhoff6776]

My dad grew up in north San Diego around this same time and fought Marines regularly. His recollections match up pretty closely with what McMahon said. So no, it would not be in the newspaper if some townies beat up some Marines, because it happened basically every day.

[@bryncheeze8970]

As the child of divorce, I have a bone to pick with blaming the kid. It wasn't my fault, it was my sibling that got aborted that caused the divorce 😅 Dad didn't like that it wasn't his kid😂

[@MatthewThomas-k7h]

I know my absolute favorite thing when listening to someone explain something or tell a story is for a couple of idiots to constantly interrupt and talk over the person telling the story to demonstrate their comedy chops with nobody asking for it.

[@ericjohnson6105]

I just saw that you get 6 episodes out of this guy is this par for the course, or is this guy the ultimate bastard?

[@theangryholmesian4556]

He's definitely up there.

[@JackgarPrime]

Well he mentions in part 1 that the amount he's written for Vince rivals the amount he wrote for HENRY FUCKING KISSINGER, so Vince is well in the upper echelon here.

[@whym6438]

​@@JackgarPrime There are also 6 episodes about Alex Jones, although they weren't all written at the same time.

[@press_x_tojason]

@@whym6438Yeah, he’d probably have 4 somewhat more condensed episodes dedicated to him if the total crop of episodes about him were planned together, but I think there’s enough yet to be covered that he’d be worthy of 6 regular episodes.

[@eliasassefa7154]

No spoiler alert for the movie Iron Claw in the last episode

[@CptQuakers]

Dick the Bruiser looks like a pre evolved Lesnar, the man is a fucking unit !

[@nathyndg]

Love this series already

[@acebandit1231]

God I love Seanbaby.

[@baronessunicorn8208]

Fascinating topic.

[@GodLovesYou828]

When was this originally recorded

[@astuteandy]

8 months ago.

[@djpaul8705]

Knowing Vince, I knew what this would be about. Knowing Vince, i was right. Love live the reign of TK and AEW

[@ystraight6178]

Best intro yet

[@theendofmyropemydude]

First

[@604nation]

Salaries are much higher than $50k

[@press_x_tojason]

If you only count people who get TV time, sure.

[@Ehgg-]

Not on average lol it’s probably lower on average

[@GodLovesYou828]

Vince is the man

[@ShantyIrishman]

"Wrestling" is two syllables... No "a" in there.

[@roonkolos]

thats what we refer to by as an accent

[@seanomatopoeia]

I will never understand why people make these comments other than to be jackasses.

[@seamusmchooligan9212]

What they do in the WWE is not wrestling. it's Rasslin'. Wrestling is what high school and collegiate students do in school gymnasians.

[@the-NightStar]

Are you brain dead?

[@press_x_tojason]

How would you pronounce “mantling”, because, if you pronounce it “man-ling” you’re a fool, and if you pronounce it “mant-a-ling”/“man-tul-ling” you’re a hypocrite.

[@adriankay8410]

"History's Greatest Monster" is some wrestling show producer? Really? Did he smash babies into trees, like the other bad guys you've talked about, but more? Did he kill even more Jews? Is there a detailed description of him kicking a dog?

[@makeitthrough_]

Katie Vick. Katie. Vick. I should specify that this was an attempt at a joke since you seem to take things so literally

[@SgtKaneGunlock]

i think they're being facetious

[@phyrexiancoffee6324]

I believe it may be a different meaning to "History's Greatest Monster". I took it as a horrible, despicable person that is still, to this day, celebrated by a large group of people.

[@adriankay8410]

@@SgtKaneGunlock So it's bullshit. It might as well be the title for every thing they make a video about.

[@makeitthrough_]

​@@adriankay8410I'm sorry a hyperbolic title has your panties in a bunch. You sure are on the right website for that, nobody else ever uses hyperbole in their youtube titles so you should be safe

[@sottosopravoce]

Gosh, that ending is so cinematic.