Partial War: Cut Features

Feature is an understatement - an entire method of fighting and resolving conflict. Another reason we will never get a Medieval 3 or Empire 2 or pick your rich "historical" immersive setting.
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[@HisRotundity]

I never fully got into naval battles, either in Shogun 2 or Empire, which is a shame because I felt like there's a lot of tactical depth there that I just wasn't grasping. I've seen people pull off incredible victories in Empire naval battles but it seems to require a totally different skill-set and knowledge-base from land battles to do well. EDIT: On a graphical level, it's really impressive to see a wooden ship hit by a broadside and actually rock back and forth in the sea. Fall of the Samurai was released in 2012, over a decade ago, and it still looks incredible.

[@Volound]

they were always rough and then they just got rid of them because they decided they dont sell games. thanks brand department.

[@Jack-uy7ie]

I didn't really get it until I took up sailing and better understood the manoeuvring aspect of age of sail warfare. Turned into my favourite aspect of Empire. Turned the seas into a mini campaign within the greater campaign map rather than a barrier for land forces to overcome. After all dominance over the blue bits on maps has always been key to the success of Empires.

[@biggiemalle1272]

I really enjoy Shogun 2 naval. It took me 400 hours to seriously try it. It is really great from the moment you understand which role each ship is supposed to play. And fire arrows are mandatory😅

[@hydra7427]

@@Volound I think that's unfair. There were a number of problems with the naval battles (even if I liked them) and they were effectively a second game that never worked well with the land battles. I find this fairly common with naval aspects in strategy games, as everything is about taking territory on land and the navy is just a big money pit that doesn't give you a whole lot of value by itself. Like I'm playing Attila right now, and I've spent a good quarter of the game just not building a navy - because why should I? You can't just add naval warfare and then call it a day, it has to be meaningful. Empire and Shogun 2 had trade ports that were kind of useful, but they weren't very fun to fight over. FOTS had naval bombardment which is great, but that doesn't translate well in pre-gunpowder eras. I think naval warfare can be added in future Total War games, but you need to actually have it as a key part of the overall game and that's just more budget to ask for.

[@Volound]

what i said is literally what happened

[@Auralice]

"Japanese-made ironclad ship". French-made actually, then got sold around several times until it ended up in the IJN's hands. I wish older TW titles had as great naval battles as FOTS does.

[@Volound]

yep, meant japanese made as in you produce it from your own ports, not a foreign trading district.

[@favre4ever39]

Confederate designed as the Alabama class, made by the French, sold to Japan after the Civil war.

[@Klayton95]

In FOTS there are torpedo gunboats, very effective against armored ships! Torpedoes were often used in naval combat tournaments and there were a lot of funny moments, in some cases the battleship could withstand the impact of a torpedo and not sink, or the battleship began to sink but continued to shoot at the enemy.

[@Volound]

one of the toys i didnt manage to collect for this. it might come eventually. plenty more fight left in this campaign im doing to dominate the seas.

[@Klayton95]

@@Volound Good luck and patience!, it's not easy to play against everyone for the republic.

[@borlumi4664]

To be fair, the FOTS period was arguably the most interesting and revolutionary moment for naval warfare in history (save maybe WW2, but good luck implementing naval battles spanning hundreds of miles, with heavy aerial action). No surprise the naval gameplay was engaging, good luck with any other period. My opinion, tho.

[@carsoncas5355]

I’d say a game like Rule the Waves 3 does it and even missile warfare great but then again that game is purpose built only for naval warfare and has no land battles at all.

[@trebor797]

What I find personally super interesting is the fact that in one of the historical battles you have a ship on the map. And you can self aim ur armstrong cannon to fire at it and kill people on the ship. So actually Shogun 2 was the first game with coastal battles

[@KroM234]

With iron plated ships (either the Kaiyo Maru or the French or British ships) you can take down entire fleet with only 1 ship as long as you attack, and position your ship at the end of the enemy line, and engage their ships one by one. The AI doesn't react properly if you are carefully engaging ships one by one.

[@Volound]

yep the AI is shit. also you can manual fire at max range plus a few meters and skip a couple of shells per volley into hulls, and the AI just dies without firing a shot back.

[@KroM234]

@@Volound Yes, when I played I usually avoided the use this kind of exploits unless the situation didn't let me any choice. But like you said in the video: everything was there, the tools were all there, these battles could have been not only good, but simply awesome if the AI had followed up consequently.

[@MarktheRude]

Man, they could have legit done the Russo Japanese war too with the skill they had.

[@antoniodelaugger9236]

This DLC had alot of potential for its own DLCs

[@curtiswong7280]

Unfortunately, they'd have to make turrets work for that to happen(since the ships of the Russo-Japanese War were pre-dreadnaught turreted battleships) and looking at the few turrets in FOTS that cannot actually spin around, it doesn't seem like the devs ever managed to figure out how to implement them.

[@captainnyet9855]

@@curtiswong7280 they probably could have made it work if they put some extra effort in but they probably just didn't bother for the Roanoke because it was just one ship and it was easier to just slap two guns into that superstructure; all it'd really take is making a cannon model that looks like a turret and maybe some invisible ship armor hitboxes to simulate the armor plating. FotS is full of shortcuts and cut corners that didn't at all have to do with what can nad cannot be done with the TW3 engine; lots of corners were cut just for the sake of getting the game done quicker.

[@comradekenobi6908]

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[@callum2277]

Good to see the old naval AI bug demonstrated in this video. I used to hate how the enemy fleets would just sit at the edge of the map and wouldn't react or move until they came under fire. If I remember correctly its a bug that was introduced by an update and never fixed.

[@dawndarklight44]

If you use Darthmod it fixes it I think, or naval overhaul which I also use.

[@HDrescher1]

Man, I was in a head on campaign and my friend went full into naval tech with APHE shells. He one shot my HMS Warrior and thrashed the rest of my fleet @_@. He then conducted a naval landing and siege that dictated the pace of the rest of the campaign after he was violently losing. Navies are important and even more important was the tech race in navies.

[@antoniodelaugger9236]

Get torpedo ships and then take a break from FOTS to master using destroyers in World of Warships

[@jessemacaspac443]

Man I’ve got to go back and play head to head campaigns.

[@hugo3627]

Once the enemy has explosive shells and you are still on wooden or copper ships, it is over.

[@DIY_Miracle]

Shogun 2 had the best naval battles in the series imo, both FOTS and base. The sheer variety in ship type in base is severely underrated (Though Attila's naval battles has a great unit variety that nobody talks about)

[@conman698]

YEah, but FOTS doesn't have Dinosaur Lizard ships; there is no unit variety. Also, I love how they made ships relevant to land battles. If you keep a navy within support range of an army you can call in navel fire support which is devastating. Another thing, if you are defending a port you get additional naval guns. Total War is like that one kid who aced all exams, was liked by everyone, had a Scholarship to a top University, but fell victim to a self induced drug addiction and ended up in jail. So much potential lost; this is what makes Total War depressing.

[@BloodwyrmWildheart]

I know you're being sarcastic, but Warhammer lacks naval battles as well. It's a shame, because those would be quite the spectacle (Man O' War: Corsair is the only game in which Warhammer naval combat was attempted). Properly done naval battles would improve every TW game, IMO.

[@toupeiragamer8564]

Naval Battles are awesome, but they are too important, take too much time to deal with and can happen many times in the same turn to the point i end up auto resolving them and losing my fleet. If i were to manually fight every battle, taking control of the sea and transporting troops would be so easy, but having to sometimes do 2-5 battles that can take from 5 to 10 minutes just to finish a single turn can be pretty annoying.

[@Hardwaregeekx]

Shogun 2 FOTS is definitely my favorite Totalwar game. The naval battles are so beautiful. Even just the scenery is stunning. Especially coastal battles.

[@TheRadPlayer]

I only picked this up recently during the Autumn Sale, and my god is it good. Might be my favourite TW game honestly.

[@JakeTheRipper]

The warrior is a beast

[@OldOnche]

7:54 Really impressive ! I never used the Kotetsu that way but it's so useful !

[@Warmaker01]

Kotetsu was a real ship with a strange, roundabout history. Built in France, made her way to the Confederate States of America, United States, and finally into Japanese service. The Tokugawa Shogunate was trying to buy the ship post-American Civil War, but the US held off on the sale and sent her to the Imperial faction instead. Renamed several times, too, even by the Japanese. Anyways, TW:Warhammer really needed naval warfare. Creative Assembly even pimped out seagoing pirate factions but no naval combat whatsoever. Other TW games released post-Shogun 2 needed it as you pointed out. Some of those settings were pretty famed for naval power and engagements.

[@armed_but_blind2768]

I would have never guessed that this was total war. Actually looks amazing.

[@Elintasokas]

Feels like a light simulator. It has a proper sense of physics with the ships rocking from hits and collisions, and the sound effects are phenomenal. A far cry from anything since Rome 2.

[@jorgejustin461]

In the small naval battle community the Kotestu is the most powerful ship, because you can snipe and one shot any ship in the game by hitting the boiler.

[@lucy_002-ONI]

whenever i get an ironclad and go up against wood fleets, i just first person the entire battle and leave the rest of my fleet behind. its so much fun to just slaughter the enemy and they cant touch you

[@Marijan510]

Battles are amazing, but playing a Shogun 2 campaign and not upload it on youtube is a sin

[@visibleninja2576]

Then search for his older videos. There are literally playlists with co-op campaigns for example. Very educational if you want to get guhd at Shogun 2 and understand game mechanics.

[@haltes]

It's so nostalgic and sad to think about all the good things in the TW series that could have but never will be 😢

[@avavaviv1]

Use the high explosive against wooden ships once closing distance. Crazy effective.

[@azura2790]

The sea-based equivalent of horses vs. tanks

[@liaminwales]

They also added in the land defences, I never saw them much but when you got a map with canons on land shooting at ships it's cool. When Empire was new the ships just looked amazing, seeing the damage was rare in games. Kind of hard to explain today how good it looked back then for both games.

[@lloyd9500]

The front facing sniping + astern tactic is something I never would've even thought of doing. Nice one!

[@Stymiest]

This is my goto. I build fleets usually with a Kotetsu and Kaiten Class. Kaiten Class is the most economical ship in the game. Rush explosive shells as well. Kotetsu screens ahead of main fleet then goes astern and continues to engage. Meanwhile I've got 4 or 5 Kaiten class positioned for a broadside. Enemy fleet gives pursuit to Kotetsu and sails right in to a massive broadside.

[@CapitalTeeth]

Normally I don't even bother with naval battles in Shogun 2 because my game has a tendency to crash mid-battle for seemingly no reason. So I just build a zillion kaiyo marus and auto resolve everything.

[@righteousham]

Navel battles can be fun and I do enjoy them on occasion. However, I mostly find them to be a chore because of how dumb the AI tends to be. Climatic navel battles are great! They're also few and far between because the AI typically sends out two and three ship "fleets" to raid and than runs when you show up to deal with them. Overcoming that puts you on a map that is far too large for the engagement which might not have been such an issue if the AI would do more than camp their spawn and wait for you. So you spend several minutes sailing up to to the enemy and it's great that they're willing to cede the initiative _every_ _single_ _time_ but repeating this half a million times because the AI's money cheats allow them to effectively spam these "fleets" without end is soul crushing. Basically, fighting these battles never feels rewarding as you never feel like you're making progress towards beating them. It's effectively impossible to break the enemy at sea, so even the most climatic battle means little.

[@KroM234]

How often do you have battles in your navel?

[@righteousham]

@@KroM234 Ha, silly typo! It's funny enough, I'm going to leave it be.

[@blight1934]

The only reason you even throw some naval units up is because if you don't, the repair bill for massive coastal bombardment will outweigh any other opinion early/mid game.

[@coobie3469]

FOTS is amazing. Best naval battles and gun warfare in the series. The shogun2 era was truly the peak of the series.

[@HanSolo1]

Can't wait to see your video on CA's response to all this turmoil!!!!

[@professionaltaxevader4638]

I wish pathfinding worked in that dlc. I tell them to form a line group and they just start spinning. I tell them to overheat the engines and they give up moving to where I told them previously. And why routed ships never come back to the battle like in NW.

[@christopherrivera9827]

Very cool Kanye

[@1234mallard]

Naval battles were by far the best part of empire total war. Every now and again I get a hankering to play an empire campaign just for the naval battles, and just put up with the meh land battles. Never got into naval battles as much with shogun 2 or fots. Too used to tall ship combat from empire

[@jackcranmer4904]

I really miss the naval battles it was one of my fave parts of empire total war tbh despite how controversial that game can be

[@milandjukic8465]

First game, that got me into total war was Rome 1 and only seeing gameplay not playing it. Then years later , first game I actually played was Napoleon, which had naval battles and man, were they satisfying 😂 Then came Shogun, which I liked even more, tho FoTs and Napoleon/Empire naval battles are more interesting than base Shogun 2 ones

[@BaccaraCC]

I don’t really enjoy the naval battles of fots but in my opinion the biggest thing that I think is missing from the newer totalwar games is the map sizes.

[@captainnyet9855]

Copper ships in FotS are not more armored; copper plated hulls give additional speed; when CA didn't forget to change the numbers on the data table, at least. (only 2/5 ships correctly have +1 speed for the copper plated ships and -1 for the iron plated ones; others have either the same speed for all variants or the copper plated ship being slower than the wooden one instead of faster)

[@Volound]

they have double the hull integrity at a cost of slightly lower speed. thats the trade-off. thats how the game should work.

[@captainnyet9855]

@@Volound I've never seen anything to indicate copper plated hulls are at all more durable in FotS; the copper plated hulls are identical save for one point more speed for the Kanrin and Kasuga corvettes and one point speed less for the frigate; which likely is also why they aren't available in custom battles.

[@Volound]

first thing i noticed when i checked the ingame encyclopedia.@@captainnyet9855

[@Pariatech]

At first I disliked the naval battles in FotS because of how clunky the controls can be. But by how bad the auto resolve is at the battles, I got to enjoy doing them. I found that rushing for the advanced armor piercing ammo is the best. That thing just make ship go boom after one or two volley

[@VileCAESARB]

Full fleet of ten ships, all wooden....

[@Volound]

your ears work, nice one.

[@VileCAESARB]

@@Volound Yep lad, missed the important part though, didn't you :) You didn't say they were wooden. I like you lad, I like what you're doing for the community. That battle was heavily skewed and because of it's easy (ness). I had no interest. Replying with passive aggressive comments ain't the thing to do, brother.

[@rebidiom2578]

Similar to Kotetsu ironclad is french dreadnought L'Ocean. Ramming with gatling guns on the sides for sweet CQC combat.

[@Re4derTheGlorious]

Literal definition of "Looks good, does not work". The mechanics are ambigious and bugged out. You cannot target specific ships, because your ship will literally turn away the instant you do this. Sometimes enemies just get stuck moving away. Sometimes you spend 5 minutes at top speed just to reach within range of enemy ships. Sometimes your ships just wont shot for no reason at all. Sometimes enemies will outrange you, with the same ships, for no reason.. you will have no idea why some things are happening and what can be done about it, like ships sinking or on fire. It feels all to random. And to make things worse, you have to fight literally every single naval engagement manually - autoresolve will make your iroclads go boom while you have 90 % balance of power.. Just some polish and naval battles would be amazing. Right now they are just terrible.. apart from visuals which are awesome.

[@andrewdrednaught]

Small correction: Warrior-class, not HMS Warrior.

[@izzitfs2311]

Best Warscape game ever!

[@Turkmen2005]

Did they finally "fix" Total war Shogun 2? Because everytime I try to load up the game, it goes to this weird screen with all of their games. Then it just crashes when I try to play the campaign.

[@wizardcat7654]

So I've been thinking of jumping back into total war a bit, because I got the strat bug. I can play Shogun 2, but I could have sworn I had bought FoTS. I can't find it anywhere in my library. Then I saw that it was made it's own title. Do I really have to re-buy a game I already bought or should I still have access to the old version?

[@Will-ri6ub]

can you capture a ship via manual battle? boarding sort of

[@Volound]

of course. described it at the start i think

[@Will-ri6ub]

​@@Volound I tried to board a ironclad ship with different types of ship. Is is true that type of ship is immune to boarding?

[@baggelis_aikaterinis]

Dreaming of the day we ll get a med 3 with the Battle of Lepanto as an historical battle ............ maybe i should get back to sleep ................

[@Volound]

never happening.

[@baggelis_aikaterinis]

I know @@Volound , i know .....

[@kiwikewl]

I've watched quite fo lot of your vids, but not all, I was wondering you had ever done any MOD recommendations?

[@Volound]

third age. and robz for MOWAS2 and dayz for ARMA. done.

[@john66687]

cool video but it looks like you just cheesed the ai by pulling them into your best ship lol

[@Volound]

this is just normal gameplay. no cheesing here.

[@tzardnickolasthelitromanov]

The Kaiyo Maru, is a pretty good ship. If you get the iron plated version of it; its basically a HMS Warrior *but speedier* Also I dont know if this was ever true or not ((or if it was a flat out lie that CA Told)) But I remember the reason they gave a long time ago for it, as too why we have never seen Naval Combat anymore. Apparently it was because the british museum (I forget which one here; but its credited in Empire TW's splash screen) they worked in collaboration with, trademarked it and CA didnt bother renewing the license. and due to this subsequently lost the entire ability to ever use it again. (Or something like that)

[@Volound]

sounds like bullshit to me. made up.

[@Negniwret]

Trademarked what, naval combat? That'd be like trademarking the colour green, so I doubt I understand you correctly

[@tzardnickolasthelitromanov]

@@Negniwret Because CA licensed out said Historical documents and plans for the ships (of/for Empire here) and the museum ((which I will load up empire in a bit; to get the proper name of, in a edit later)) considered the system their property due to this. So they trademarked it (which was at the time; only consisting of the museums' ships only). (Edit: The museum's name was called; ""The National Maritime Museum of London"")

[@Negniwret]

@@tzardnickolasthelitromanov that seems like a pretty easy patent to dispute, and if not, easy to bypass. Total War's naval battles aren't exactly unique in their implementation Thanks for clarifying!

[@kazansky22]

I prefered fighting my naval battles in Napoleon total war and empire.

[@juliovielma8703]

Volund one Question every comparison you use of how guns works you use shogun or medieval 2 but what about Napoleon. You like that game? I sure do I wanna know your opinion about it

[@Volound]

empire guns are horrible, even the sound is shit. been years since i played napoleon but i remember them being the same.

[@juliovielma8703]

@@Volound mm I see yeah they may be not the best example for gun sound, I always wondered if you are such a big company like CA and you got tons of cash, wouldn’t it be more viable to by a matchlock or mosquet Replica and shot it with a mic near? I mean they do that on movies that are less profitable that videogames in average then why not do it on a videogame, that would just any of “this doesn’t sound real” arguments cause the sound would be very real

[@polomarco7053]

​@juliovielma8703 because they, as it is said in french, are "bouffe merde" which translate to feces eater. The money go toward the marketers and theirs trips in fancies, hotels & luxury cars at the business expanse. The product is intended to be"minimally viable"

[@juliovielma8703]

@@polomarco7053 that makes sense but still how much is the rifle 20K?

[@t3hFunt]

man, this game was so good... how did it go so wrong...

[@TiGGowich]

Did you see that Pharaoh peaked at less than 500 players in November? It currently averages 300-400 players ... my god CA has fallen

[@vonpietrek]

Why u dont use expolsive shells?

[@hkl2007]

isnt explosive shell superior to solid shot vs wooden ships?

[@98765zach]

Explosive shot on wooden ships will indeed rip them to absolute shreds, but maybe he wanted to capture them?

[@Volound]

i didnt say it for no reason. i even showed it.

[@phantomjoker5]

kino...

[@AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen]

👏🙂

[@LegendaryAbysss]

:JPNut:

[@TheGaudChannel]

So FOTS campaign when?

[@palacehaunter5442]

Total War fake apology?

[@Volound]

coming right up

[@googleandsusansucks]

The naval battles are cool but it is a shame that I always cheese them. It only works when you are the attacker. Just have one ship rock up and use the broadside ability, OUTSIDE of its own range. You will notice the shots hit a bit further than the indicated range. Meaning you can adjust the ship until you can hit an enemy ship so that it does not "aggro". This somehow also deals more dmg. And oh boy, when you get advanced armor piercing shells, there will be carnage.

[@HHindsight]

CA released this apology 10 years too late, I still deserve a partial refund for rome 2

[@TheSmokeyDawn]

Wait, they got rid of sieges? Jesus fuck

[@Volound]

yeah, play medieval 1 and then compare that to warhammer.

[@TheSmokeyDawn]

@@Volound Dude, I wanted 3k to be good so damn bad, it's my favorite historical period. Romance and Dynasty Warriors games and Kessen II made me fall in love with the times, fanciful as they were portrayed. But Total War was a love of mine too, and when I saw these two things coming together, I was over the moon. But, we got what we got. I should have expected the fanciful nature of the Three Kingdoms to lend itself to the Rome 2 and Warhammer like structure. Was really hoping they'd hit a somewhat Shogun 2 vibe, but no dice. I'd still try a 3k co-op campaign with someone, or a Shogun 2 or Rise or Fall. Never got to do one, though I'd like to before the servers take a dump someday.